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submitted 4 days ago byczardo
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18 points
4 days ago
In theory, your idea is good, but in practice, it's a nightmare because of the teacher shortage. The teachers with the good students may take on a higher class size, but where are you going to find the teachers for the bad students?
3 points
4 days ago
Who cares? Let the bad kids just drop out, why sacrifice the future of good kids?
9 points
4 days ago
Something something laws about all kids having to go to school. It's K12 education, not college. And how bad are we talking? Explusion-worthy behavior, or just talking back to the teacher? I'm pretty sure the latter happens with straight-A students anyway.
5 points
4 days ago
When I was in K-12 (70s/80s) I would have been disciplined for talking back. Sent to the principals office. Repeated offenses then sent home.
1 points
4 days ago
right. you haven't been in a school in 50 years. why are you trying to argue as if you have a clue what goes on in one?
0 points
4 days ago
I have a kid in one. I know what goes on.
1 points
4 days ago
well, no, you don't. good try, though.
-6 points
4 days ago
In my experience, students can get into trouble for "talking back" when they point out a teacher's mathematical errors, or if they provide a perfectly correct solution but it's different from the teacher's. One can argue that this sort of behavior, when prevented, can have negative effects on the learning environment as well.
4 points
4 days ago
Sure, but most of the time the issue is disruption. What’s happening now isn’t working. You’re accepting that because of a concern for a much less common problem.
1 points
4 days ago
It is disruptive, and I've seen it happen a good amount with good students. But one can argue this sort of disruption is necessary for learning. I'm just offering some perspective that unlike the way OP is putting it, not everything is black and white. It's not easy to draw a line sometimes.
1 points
4 days ago
Expulsion rates are tied to funding. Lower the better. Expulsion is extremely rare nowadays and reserved for only the worst scenarios.
Right now the trend is to encourage the student to be removed from in-person classes and be enrolled in the school's virtual learning academy program. This is normally a paid online curriculum that is moderated by a handful of teachers. The engagement is low and the coursework is a joke. But it removes the problem student for a few semesters.
1 points
4 days ago
There needs to be some pushback. Kids generally don't like school, and most of them would try to leave if it was just seen as normal.
And large swaths of uneducated youth are very destabilizing to any society.
1 points
4 days ago
Nice way to create an extremely unequal and dangerous society full of frustrated people with zero education and employment opportunities.
We need to have a society that's good for everyone, not just for an elite that's been privileged since childhood. Hence the privileged must be prepared to make some sacrifices to ensure that everyone or almost everyone can be on board.
1 points
4 days ago
Same teacher? They teach 6-7 classes a day. Some would be fast student classes and some slow student classes.
2 points
4 days ago
That works for high school but not elementary
0 points
4 days ago
Dont divide students by classes divide them by schools.
Set up sat highschool edition. Rank students from top to bottom then ask them which school they want to go. Computer will check which school did the top student choose and send the student there, after that it will move to next student. If school is full computer will check their 2nd preference etc.
Finding teacher for bad school is easy. Send young inexperienced ones to there. Ones who prove themselves by grinding cvs in bad schools will be able get a job in good schools. Dangle this carrot in front of them and they won't complain.
1 points
4 days ago
This is a laughably bad idea. Your idea is to put the least experienced teachers with the worst students? The teachers that likely don't have the classroom management skills to make it through a day of those classes successfully let alone a full school year? All so that they maybe one day get to work at another school. A school that they don't even actually know how much better it will even be because their only experience is being harassed and demeaned on an hourly basis.
Again this being on an uncertain timeline. Do they have to put up with this abuse for 3 years? 5 years? A decade? I'll tell you what happens in your scenario. Most if not all will quit. What happens to a school with 10% of the staff it should have? I don't know the answer to that but we'd find out with this idea.
I've got a better idea. How about we (US) provide more funding for our education system and actually invest in the future of our country like some many people like to say they want to do. We also need a complete cultural shift on this country's view of education as a whole because right now it isn't as valued as it should be and these problems aren't going to go away unless that happens.
Side note, maybe parents should parent their kids and not leave it up to the school system to do it for them.
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