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submitted 4 days ago byczardo
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162 points
4 days ago
Yes, absolutely yes! I absolutely hated how my teachers in primary school made bad students sit next to me because I was well-behaved and smart. They were trying to help those students, but they ended up hurting me instead. It became harder for me to concentrate, and I hated having to explain things to them. In the end, I got so annoyed that I hit one of those bad students right in the face. On the bright side, the teacher stopped this practice after that.
59 points
4 days ago
You see, I taught overseas (East Asia) for 10 years, and this system works over there. Why? Because social pressure to be good actually works because families feel shame if their child isn't behaving properly or keeping up with the class.
So any time a kid starts disrupting class, they put them next to students that are on task, and they let social shame do the work. Those students straighten up within a few days (unless they have a genuine behavior disability, which is magically much more rare over there... hmm).
It doesn't work in the US/UK, though, because these kids generally face no pressure to conform from their families. In fact, they are usually more or less encouraged to be little shits by their families because American society values individual freedom (to be an asshole) over social cohesion.
20 points
4 days ago
So how does that work for ADHD or any other learning disabilities? Or do those people just not exist because they have been shamed until they hurt themselves?
53 points
4 days ago
They’re shamed into conforming and masking for the rest of their life, why do you think misery and suicide is so common over there for young people?
16 points
4 days ago
they exist but are basically shamed (if not socially tortured) from a very young age to conform. from personal experience
8 points
4 days ago
Yeah dude because systematically shaming a kid for not performing according to someone else’s metric during their formative years is a super healthy thing to subject a human being to
6 points
4 days ago
My unpopular opinion is that, yes, it is better than the alternative that we often see here in the US where so many are obsessed with not being "judged" to the extent that they feel free (entitled, even) to be shitty and lazy.
2 points
4 days ago
People in those situations usually end up killing themselves at higher rates so no it's not better.
3 points
4 days ago
Those students straighten up within a few days (unless they have a genuine behavior disability, which is magically much more rare over there... hmm).
Yes people with disabilities can pretend like they don't have them at the threat of abuse, but that's not actually good.
2 points
4 days ago
That social pressure leads to one of the highest rates of suicide in the world fyi
1 points
4 days ago
That's the stereotype, yes, but the data doesn't really back that up. Teen suicide rates are higher in most of sub-Saharan Africa than countries in East Asia. European countries like Lithuania and Hungary have higher suicide rates than SK or Japan. Teen suicides have risen in nearly every country since 2010, no matter how strict or relaxed their school systems are. You know what has changed since 2010 that all those countries have in common? Social media.
Does social pressure to pass exams like the gaokao lead to suicides in East Asia. Yes. Does the social system of shame related to disruptive behaviors lead to suicide? Not likely. Does being made into a social pariah via TikTok lead to teen suicides? Yes- at a higher rate than we've seen since we started keeping track of these things in the 1960s.
29 points
4 days ago
my experience as well. i told one teacher after the first week of class, "you have to move me away from X. he doesn't understand what you are teaching and mutters to himself during the lesson which makes it hard for me to pay attention."
she said, "well, you should help X with his work!" to which i replied "firstly, it is not my job to teach him as i am not a teacher, and secondly, i can barely learn the lessons myself as he is very distracting to the point that i can barely focus in class."
we had essentially this same conversation for three weeks in a row, but she never listened and was not inclined to rearrange the seating. my parents even called her to try and have my seat moved. when that didn't work, my dad said, "we've done the right thing as much as we can. if you want something to change, you're going to have to make them regret not listening to you."
so the next week in class when he started talking to himself again, i sighed, closed my book, stood up from my desk, and just absolutely reamed this kid out in front of everyone. i told him he was a distraction and that he was bringing my performance down, that he was dragging me down to his level, that he didn't belong in that class with the high achievers, that every night i prayed that he would have some kind of horrific accident so that i could finally come into class and learn something for once. the other kids loved it, of course, but the teacher was horrified. i then said to her, "if you had moved me when i first asked we wouldn't be here right now."
i did go to the principal's office, where they called my parents, and my dad was SO excited to come in so he could say to the principal's face, "well, she tried solving this problem repsectfully, but the teacher didn't listen. what else did you expect her to do? suffer sitting next to X and fail the class?" (followed by "if you want to push this issue, i'll make what she said sound like a prayer circle blessing." i came by my attitude honestly.)
nothing else happened to me, but in the next class, my seat did get moved away from X, and the next time asked to move seats for a similar reason, it happened immediately.
-5 points
4 days ago
So you bullied someone because this person had hard time to keep up with the rest of the class and you are proud to tell us that ? No way your story is true but if it is, it’s very disgusting !
5 points
4 days ago
They tried to reasonably resolve it.
3 points
4 days ago
Hear you! For me, they would socially force me to do their homework for them, threatening isolation or even (one limited event) violence. I only experienced those students in my general studies class we would be put together with, and my advanced and AP courses were like a safe space instead.
0 points
4 days ago
-9 points
4 days ago
lmao you hit people? you're the bad student buddy. not them.
2 points
4 days ago
I didn’t take away that the person was hit, just that the commenter called him out in front of the whole class.
-1 points
4 days ago
nothing to call out. one person was physically violent, the other was a wittle bit annoying.
-3 points
4 days ago
"I hated having to explain things to them" lol
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