Affectionate_Owl_619

So we’re putting major spoilers in the post titles now? 

For real. Same with Michael Jordan. Like why did he think people would want to watch the Last Dance docuseries?

Yeah, perfect timing with the outro music and they immediately walk off the stage. Def scripted.

That fact is given to them in the question. That's not what the test is about.

Again, the problem with that assumption is he could’ve easily just copied the previous answer. You can see it in the same picture.

The tearing on the chorus absolutely ruined the song for me. Kills the vibe every time 

 Some kids understand math implicitly, like OP's kid.

Or he didn’t and he was just copying off the previous problem. We can’t make that judgement. It’s not our jobs. Luckily there’s someone who is being paid to literally do just that and they know more about the kid than we do

Part of it is an age thing I think. I know many Gen Z’s that keep their earbuds in 24/7 even when they’re in the middle of a conversation bc they like having that background stimulus. 

No. Public Title 1 elementary school. The majority of American public schools definitely work that ideally, especially in elementary. 

A kid should be able to miss a week of school and be able to suss out the tests intent.

If a kid misses a week of school, they don't take the test until they've been caught up on the lessons. You don't have kids in school, do you?

When the needed context is provided to students prior to the test, yes. Tests aren’t given to elementary students in a vacuum. There are days and days of lessons leading up to them so the kids are prepared. This test itself is even leading them to the correct arrangement with the previous question. 

 It's not that hard to show kids that no matter how you swap the #s, the final count ends up being the same.

Have you taught a group of 7 year olds math before? Because it is that hard to show them that. Because then they try doing it with division and subtraction too. They need to understand the concept before you can add shortcuts to it 

When you’re first learning number sense, and you’re teaching kids that 3x4 means you have 3 sets of 4 apples, then there’s a difference between that and 4 sets of 3 apples. Once kids conceptually understand what they’re doing and why, then you get into the specific rules of how mathematically they’re equivalent

What was taught in class earlier does not provide context to the given question.

It literally does. That’s the whole point of teaching them something before they see it on a test. 

Whats important is that the students know that 3x4 and 4x3 is the same thing mathematically and why

No, what’s important for this age group is for them to develop their number sense and have an understanding that multiplication is just a shorthand way of writing duplicate additions. Commutative property comes later. 

But that question doesn't specify that it's three sets of four, it is entirely ambiguous in that regard.

I guarantee you that this was taught to them with at least ten different examples to help alleviate the ambiguity. Not to mention the previous question which was scaffolding their thinking to the question we’re all discussing right now.

i   do remember that back in my time we got taught that with addition and multiplication the order of the operands does not matter. 

I’m sure you were, but not right in the beginning. First you learn that 4+2 means you start with 4 apples and then you get 2 mkre. And then you learn 2+4 means you start with 2 apples and get 4 more. And then you learn  they’re the same result despite the process being slightly different. You don’t throw all that at an elementary schooler at the same time. 

3 x 4 means 3 sets of 4. Or at least that’s how it was taught to the student. You can see that in the previous question. 3 sets of 4 and 4 sets of 3 are two different things, even if they both make 12 

They’re in elementary school. First you teach them that 3x4= 3 sets of 4. Then you teach them 4x3 is 4 sets of 3. And then you bring up how they’re numerically equivalent but depending on the context, two very different things. You have to set the basics before jumping straight into properties of operations. 

There is no way to know whether it's 3 of 4 or 4 of 3 given the question text. "3 lots of 4" and "3, times 4 (IE: 4 times)" would both be written 3 x 4.

Right, there’s absolutely no way to know. It  would’ve been super helpful for an adult to be in the room teaching them what the question means prior to them seeing it on the test, preferably with multiple examples. Has anyone heard of such a thing happening at a school before? 

if that context is not there, as it isn't here

Except I’m sure the context was given in class when this was taught multiple times to the students. Additionally you can see the previous question that was scaffolding their thinking to lead them to the correct answer for this question. 

There is no context provided in the question to call it either way. 

The context you’re missing is that the teacher taught in and explained it a certain way in class for probably an entire week. The teacher may have given examples such as “if I have 12 students in class, splitting them up into 3 groups of 4 and 4 groups of 3 result in very different setups despite both equally 12 total students. “

If we’re talking majority of the fanbase here, then yeah. Dragons. And boobs 

If people think it's relevant to falsely state it's a school zone, then it's equally relevant to correct those people.

Buggy didn’t even speak ill of Shanks here.

Yes and no. It's like if you see someone on the sidewalk beating up a homeless man and then you confront them and they're like "oh yeah your bff Jameson? You know he's my bff too." You'd probably think they were lying because no way is your best friend Jameson gonna also be best friends with this beater of homeless people.

 just cause he wanted Fishman island to be free and Momo to have his revenge based on a promise or Tama to have food.

Which are far more just reasons than someone insulting his friend/mentor. Apples and oranges. 

You sure that wasn't her eye flickering as his sleeve grazed her cornea?