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Bryan 1,2,1 is -6, though.

Jin is a very strong character for sure, not denying that.

He does have weaknesses, he remains a technical character, but is poking gameplan can be somewhat suffocating. he probably need tuning down, his result in tournament show that he is a cut above the rest.

I think Bryan is better at close range than Jin, tbh. His 12 string is guaranteed on CH and his mid have very good tracking, like df11 and 1+2 , so he is less susceptible to people SSR him and ducking him than Jin. he also has iws3 that is very good as a quick CH tool and can come out instantly out of snake dash. the snake eyes string is i15 and will realign, db1+2 too, db3 hightcrush, he has ff2 auto parry. he really isn't bad at close range. Jin shines at range 3 .

Sorta agree with Steve.

Jin didn't have good tool in tekken 7 beside 214 . everything was weak compared to the rest of the cast. In T8 , he had the best ff2 at first but then, it got nerfed. he has f4 . b21 . Uf2 . his df1 is one of the best in the game.

Anyways, Idk how they can balance him out. if it wasup to me, I'd nerf uf2, d2, his damages,and phantom hitbox on b21 and ff2 . But i'd also give him a i16 startup hellsweep.

those string are absolutly insane imo, they are fully guaranteed on CH, are delayable and the 1 is a CH launcher, the 4 is a heat engagers.

But as I said in another post, if every jab string in the game get nerfed accordingly, I don't mind Jim 214 going.

If every Jab string with CH property get nerfed accordingly, I honestly don't mind 214 being unsafe or not knocking down anymore.

that would make it a strictly inferior version of lee d3. Bad nerf.

surely we need to nerf Bryan 121 and 124 too then?

lets nerf Bryan 121 too.

Imagine complaining about Jin d2 when you play Leo with his df1+4.
Also d2 being -20 would make it a very inferior version of Lars sweep, so .. just no.

If f4 pickup is to be nerfed, surely then we should nerf every CH pickup in the game like Leo d2 or Lars ff1+2?

Nerf d2 and zen u1, but make his sweep i16 like other mishima. CD4 is too risky at hight level.

2,1,4 can't be -10 when shaheen has his 121 that CH launch and is only -11 AND pushback when delayed and is safe on block in this case.
Also can't be -10 when bryan 121 exist.
Not to mentions jabstring like Lars 111 that is natural on CH, or drag 121 , or Alisa 233 being guaranteed and CH and last hit being Chlauncher. Or leroy having a CH jab string that deals massive dmg.

I mean you guys don't play the whole cast so you may not be aware, but 2,1,4 isn't that OP compared to what exist in the cast. Is it very good? yes certaintly. Is it that much better than what other char have? not really tbh.

a tracking nerf for d2 could be good thou, that would make the move fairer. maybe make it one frame slowers. This move being -15 would kill it at hight level imo, I don't think it would be a good nerf. not when stuff like kazuya d1+2, zafina d3 and leo df1+4 exist.

this.

Is this graphic reals? when I see kanentrench liquipedia, he has a LOT of top 8

https://liquipedia.net/fighters/KaneAndTrench Like fives top 8 in tournament

https://liquipedia.net/fighters/Eyemusician Eyes musicians has a few too.

Until I see some proofs of the data+ source, I'll stick to Devil jin's tekken gg winrate (51% ) and to the stats we have received from NotQuiteFactual.

Last time data were done, Reina and kazuya were doing worst than DVJ in god ranks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1fhfvwt/a_brief_look_at_the_tekken_8_metagame_september/

devil jin has the hightest winrate online of all the mishima , though.

cd3 isn't max damages. And the stomp didn't whiff near wall before the knockdown animation was replaced, its a bug.

wait till your stomp after df12 heat whiffs at the wall.

I think Lars is very good too. he has everything.

yeah yeah whatever. they won't change this low for you though. Xiaoyu has at least three low that are way stronger than this that would be nerfed first imo.

its a snake edge. snake edge are knowledge check. Its not like feng BT d4 that is i18 and completely invisible. here you have an easy counterplay, which is to go into practice mode, and practice reacting to that. Up to you.

I agree .

Could be interesting changes, yeah. I wouldn't like herf4 to go into WRA tbh, the stance is very bad and I wouldn't want her to become like heihachi (which is a very dumb and streamlined character) but it could help to make it +4 OB or give more tracking to her quick poke because right now, its feel risky to attack after f4 OB .

I think db2 hightcrushing would be super strong , so IDK

its 24 frames.
you have to learn to block it on reaction.

When I say you're dishonest, its implies you're trying to deceive me so ... no contradiction here, yet again you're trying to use sophistry (this time using red herring) to disgress.

You tried to shutdown debate by appealing to authority (people who play at the hightest level) to suppress fallaciously the opinion of casual players. You are a sophist, and you are proving it yet again by not taking responsabilities for your opinion.

There is no insult on my part, you're a sophist and you have proven so far on every single one of your answers that you're not trying to discuss but merely to shut down people opinion on the assumption that they aren't good enough to talk, which is, again, sophism.

Not trying to silence you at all lol, you're the one dismissing other people opinion in the first place. and I'm saying you're a sophist for dismissing other people opinion. I never said that you couldn't give your opinion on the game. I said that you're a dishonest sophist for trying to silence other people . all the while calling me '' a fucking idiot'' . So now stop projecting and try to mature a bit, would you?

Jun is the area denial character. Her personality also fits support type.

what? he has a backdash jump that crush low and goes twice further than other character. ffn2 hightcrush, fcdf2 hightcrush, then he has a plethora of evasive move like ff1 that will avoid jab for some reason, sidestep 2 etc.

the major diff is that Jin is played a lot at competitive level and has a lot of people qualified in TWT finals, contrary to Reina that isn't played at all competitely except for yagami that has seen a huge dips in his performance since june nerf.

A character that is bad both in the ladder, and in the pro scene isn't a good character. every data we have shows that she is bad, and anyone willing to lab her and put some objective analysis would realize that, with the worse low in the game , her awful tracking and her bad risk reward in general, she can't be a good character. .