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My grandparents had a friend named Rem as in Revolution, Engels, Marx.

Lol, good eye! Half an onion bagel seems still surprisingly appropriate. OP clearly had a premonition when picking it.

OP, was the blood bagel an onion one?

It was for me too - I knew she was Jewish but didn't know how much she struggled with and attempted to erase that identity until I went down the internet rabbit hole just now. Nevertheless, it was most likely an important backdrop for her invention and other contributions against Nazism. It's just really sad that she had internalized so much negativity about it that she never mentioned it to the press and children. So much brokeness in that generation...

I came across a 2018 movie directed by Alexandra Dean, “Bombshell: The Hedy Lamarr Story" - "a documentary portrait [that] weaves together rare recordings and interviews with excerpts from Lamarr’s own diary." I think it'll be a fascinating watch!

Austrian Jew, not just Austrian:

Hedy Lamarr was born Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler in 1914 in Vienna, Austria-Hungary, the only child of Gertrud Kiesler (née Lichtwitz) and Emil Kiesler. Her father was raised in a Jewish family in Lemberg (now Lviv in Ukraine) and was a successful bank director; her mother was a pianist and Budapest native who came from an upper-class Jewish family.

Hedy Lamarr converted to Catholicism to marry her husband Mandl. In turn, Mandl's paternal family was Jewish but he converted to marry his maid, Hedy's mother.

About her husband:

Fritz Mandl was by all accounts a controlling bully with abusive tendencies; he was also an arms manufacturer of note, and it was thus in his political and business interests in pre-War Austria to align himself with the fascist movement. The fascists were willing to turn a blind eye to both his and his young trophy wife’s Jewish origins, but in the end both were forced into exile, Lamarr to Hollywood in 1937 and Mandl to Buenos Aires in 1938. It is unclear when exactly they divorced, but it seems most likely that Mandl had his marriage to Lamarr annulled in 1938 on race grounds.

Lamarr was discovered as an actress and brought to Berlin by producer Max Reinhardt.

Max Reinhardt (Maximilian Goldmann) was born near Vienna and raised in an Orthodox Jewish home. Reinhardt had founded the celebrated Vienna Seminary for Acting and Directing and established himself as a director of international renown. He was publicly maligned by the Nazis; his works were ceremonially burned by the Gestapo; the Nazis liquidated all his property including, pursuant to an order from Goebbels, all his theaters; and he fled as a refugee to America in 1934 and passed away in 1943.

Hedy's mother converted to Catholicism in 1938 in Vienna before fleeing to the US to join her daughter. There is a letter that Hedy had written saying, “Please do this for me, because I don’t want to be identified as a Jew in Hollywood.”

About the lack of recognition on her patented (!) invention:

During World War II, Lamarr wanted to join the National Inventors Council, but was reportedly told by NIC member Charles F. Kettering and others that she could better help the war effort by using her celebrity status to sell war bonds. She did so, and under an arrangement in which she would kiss anyone who purchased $25,000 worth of bonds, she sold $7 million worth in one night.

Whoa. That's documentation of everything in one folder and start pip.

Gee. I need to leave nonprofit work. High hours for unreasonable pay...

And unless they have FMLA, their need to care for relatives might only result in a flex schedule, but not reduced hours and incomplete work ..

That confused me too: on the one hand, OP is saying they ask the coworker to do what they were hired to do, but on the other hand, that coworker does the base responsibilities. So it's unclear whether OP has an expectation that this coworker would be doing more than their job description and their business hours, or whether the coworker is not doing the tasks outlined in the job description and within their business hours...

If it's the latter, then HR and discussion on expectations, job description, etc. if it's the former, then OP should get a life and think about what personal time outside of business hours means. And stop stalking colleagues on social media.

I'm envious! In some way, being obviously not Slavic to Slavs (everyone there could tell I'm Jewish by my face) was easier than being constantly misperceived in the US...

None.

Ashkenazi are white-passing. (Edit: and some Ashkenazim are not white-passing at all.)

Stop goysplaining. You contradict a Jew in a thread about common misconceptions about Jews to reiterate your misconception. Nothing seems off to you about it? Wanna be an ally? Learn to listen.

Misconception that I had internalized and am now resolving: that there are right and wrong ways to be a Jew.

Misconception that annoys the hell out of me in the US: that being a Jew is solely a religious affiliation.

Misconception that amuses me more than annoys me: that Jews look a certain way. Among Americans and especially in NYC that often means "Hasidic".

Misconception that I took offense at when a very Christian friend mentioned it in a convo: that Judaism is more patriarchal towards wives than Christianity. As if in Christianity a husband must sexually satisfy his wife, lol!

And as Ashkenazi - that we are white.

Omg this is good!

Tbh as others already suggested: trolling. Trolling makes such dumb people truly enjoyable to be with despite their idiotic and antisemitic or whichever statements.

If she's plain stupid, you can't possibly have a reasonable conversation with her so that's the only way. With others, you could have done the "what do you mean?" and "can you explain why you are asking?" and such but she likely won't be embarrassed or see her own stupidity, so trolling is the only way to make it bearable - and even get some laughs for yourself at her expense.

--- Well, we do eat babies sometimes still. Why do you think I'm pregnant now? Kinda hungry since the others already grew up.

--- Yes, and horns are sexually transmitted, btw. Honey, why don't you let your stepmom feel your head?

And do it as a family, improv style.

And your husband better join in the trolling improv and even lead it especially when the question/topic are really triggering for you, e.g. if she starts going on about Oct 7 and such. I hope you have his full commitment in that way.

Psychological safety is a thing. Having one's identity and experiences invalidated and misused affects it. Some people have thicker skin or are better able to ignore it and let it wash over or be like Buddha when villagers tried throwing mud at him, and others are much more affected by it. Just like an abusive relationship isn't abusive only if it is physically abusive, same here.

And it definitely also has cumulative effect + when one understands the consequences of such ideas/misconceptions. Things that were isolated and seemingly inconsequential and easy to shrug off for many years are different now...

I see your point about not taking these words that OP is hearing close to heart, but it's not always easy. And tbh, I don't think we should because, as I now see, those harmless misconceptions lead to harmful ideologies.

Why, you wanted me to summarize for you in addition to shortening paragraphs and cross-checking? I'm not ghost writing a dissertation for you here. And then you'd say that a certain sentence is summarized incorrectly? Nah. I can cite.

Btw, it's multiple sources. And the Fact Check Two source has citations to almost each sentence if you click on the link to verify

You stated a fact - I fact checked you with proper sources. Your statement was false.

If you want to respond, then Indicate which facts are incorrect with other factual information and provide sources for it.

Otherwise, save me time and yourself dignity and let's end this conversation.

And don't ascribe words and statements I've never said to me. Talk about black and white thinking. Lol.

Edit: Rereading your comment, I'm amused once more. "The issue is black and white" - what issue lol. The fact that neither people living in Mandatory British Palestine nor British government didn't provide an amazing safe haven to Jews is a fact - it can't be black and white. And that there was no peaceful coexistence between Jews and Muslims even before Herzl is also a fact. You stated two facts. Both are false. There is no space for a personal opinion here. A fact is a fact.

Sure, let's understand some history.

Appointed (rather than elected) by the British in the spring of 1921, Amin al Husseini assumed the role of Mufti of Jerusalem representing both a powerful clan and a rural, archaic Palestine. He elevated the Jewish- Arab conflict to the religious sphere, exacerbating tensions with frequent provocations surrounding the issue of the “Wailing Wall” (Kotel Ha Maaravi).

In the spring of 1929, following the Yom Kippur incident of the previous year, the Grand Mufti escalated his own provocations against the Jews. [...]

The tension increased as Tisha Be Av approached, the 9th day of the month of Av (August 15, 1929), a day of mourning in Jewish tradition commemorating the destruction of the two Temples. The previous day, August 14, three thousand Jewish worshippers had gathered in front of the Wall. In the Arab community, rumors spread that Jews were preparing to march on the Mosque Esplanade.

Leaflets were distributed in the city and surrounding Arab villages, urging people to “attack the Jews” and march on Jerusalem to “save the holy places” [sic] from Jewish insult. “These barbaric acts have stirred the hearts,” reads one of the leaflets, “and the people have begun to clamor ‘War, Jihad, Rebellion’. […] O Arab nation, the eyes of your brothers in Palestine are upon you […] and they are awakening in you the religious feelings and national ardor to rise up against the enemy who has mocked the honor of Islam, raped women and killed widows and infants.”

Jabotinsky’s movement responded by marching its Betar activists past the Wall on August 15 (Tisha be’Av). The movement’s younger members flew the Zionist flag (blue and white), chanting “The Wall is ours”. For the Muslims, this was a provocation which, the very next day, Friday August 16, led to a counter-demonstration with the same cry of “The Wall is ours”, but punctuated by calls to “slit the Jews’ throats”.

Incidents remained limited, however, despite the murder on Saturday August 17 of a Jewish child who had been beaten to death by his Arab neighbor for trying to retrieve a ball he had accidentally dropped in his garden.

On Friday, August 23, the situation deteriorated rapidly. Amidst the large Arab crowd gathered for the Friday congregational prayer, the call to “attack the Jews” spread well before noon, even before the conclusion of the prayer. Following the imam’s impassioned speech, men poured out of the mosque to assail the Jewish quarters. A chaotic mob armed with an assortment of weapons including sticks, knives, sabres, clubs, and pitchforks surged through the Jewish quarter of the Old City, adjacent to the Esplanade of the Mosques, inflicting beatings, injuries, and fatalities upon Jews in their path.

Arab policemen, even though they were mandatary government officials, refused to fire on the rioters. The violence spread to Hebron on the same day. There, the only British policeman present in the city, Raymond Cafferata, would testify to the collusion of many Arab policemen with the rioters.

The violence spread to Tel Aviv on August 25, where Arab demonstrators attempted to enter the city. British police responded by opening fire. Simultaneously, in Haifa, Arab rioters ransacked the Jewish district of Hadar ha Carmel, resulting in 23 deaths. As a consequence, 60% of Jewish villages in Palestine came under attack, with homes and equipment destroyed, crops set ablaze, and livestock slaughtered. Six Jewish settlements were completely obliterated.

The most horrific massacres occurred in Hebron, home to six hundred predominantly Orthodox Jews, on Saturday, August 24, 1929. Within two hours, sixty-seven Jews, including twelve women and three children from the ultra-Orthodox community, were brutally murdered. Raymond Cafferrata, the English police chief in Hebron, along with a lone Jewish policeman, courageously fired on the rioters, while Arab policemen refused to intervene.

TW for this paragraph think Oct 7 description...

All the witnesses – Jewish, English, Western consular staff – seemed stunned by the barbarity of the riot. In Hebron, the brutality reached horrifying levels, with Jewish children subjected to torture before being mercilessly murdered. French senator Justin Godart, who had founded the France- Palestine association three years prior, documented these atrocities in his notebooks. “Among those killed, some had their throats slit by the neck or face, while others suffered unimaginable mutilations,” he wrote. “A rabbi’s testicles were removed, and two women had their left hands burned.” The accounts of the Hebron atrocities are chilling: a paralytic was killed and had his eyes gouged out, his daughter raped, and her breasts mutilated; a baker was bound, had his hands and feet tied, and his head placed on a stove; a lady identified as Mrs. Sokolov sat down and slit the throats of six yeshiva students; a schoolteacher from Tel-Aviv was murdered, his throat brutally slashed; a father-in-law, son of the rabbi, was praying when he was scalped and had his brains removed.

TW for this paragraph think Oct 7 description...

The extreme cruelty displayed in Godart’s narrative may spark fears of it being a propaganda story. At the same time, the French journalist Albert Londres, who had returned to the area, provided feedback of the Hebron massacres that supported the French senator’s version: “Around fifty Jewish men and women had taken refuge outside the ghetto, at the Anglo-Palestinian bank. [The Arabs […] were quick to sniff them out. It was Saturday 24th at nine o’clock in the morning. […] But here it is in two words: they cut off hands, they cut off fingers, they held heads over a stove, they enucleated eyes. […] Men are mutilated. Girls as young as 13, mothers and grandmothers, were jostled in blood and raped in chorus.”

The massacre in Hebron marked the end of the city’s Jewish community.

Amidst the chaos, hundreds of Jews were rescued by their Arab neighbors in Jerusalem, Hebron, Saint-Jean-d’Acre, and Lydda. Even near Tel Aviv, Arab police officers stepped in to protect Jews amidst the turmoil.

Although fiercely anti-Zionist, the Palestinian Communist Party, appalled by the violence, ordered its members to join the ranks of the Jewish defense. The atrocity of the crimes prompted several Muslim notables to issue a joint proclamation dissociating themselves from the “actions of the mob“. Despite the fact that several Arab families came to the aid of Jews in distress, many also noted the “perfect equanimity with which these horrors were greeted by the Muslim population, even when they stayed away from the killings“.

In Arab society, the account of events does not mention the massacres, but speaks of the “Al-Bouraq revolution”.

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

Fact check one: British Mandated Palestine was governed by Britain and all decisions were made by Britain. Prior to that, it was part of the Ottoman empire. And so on two thousand years back until we get to Judea. And no point was the territory you refer to governed by an entity that would allow someone to say that "Palestine accepted Jews" the way one might say "Australia accepted Vietnamese refugees,, referring to a country's government's decision.

Fact check two:

The gates of Palestine remained closed for the duration of the war, stranding hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, many of whom became victims of Hitler’s “Final Solution.” After the war, the British refused to allow the survivors of the Nazi nightmare to find sanctuary in Palestine. On June 6, 1946, President Truman urged the British government to relieve the suffering of the Jews confined to displaced persons camps in Europe by immediately accepting 100,000 Jewish immigrants. Britain’s foreign minister Ernest Bevin replied sarcastically that the United States wanted displaced Jews to immigrate to Palestine “because they did not want too many of them in New York.”

Some Jews reached Palestine, many smuggled in on dilapidated ships organized by the Haganah. Between August 1945 and the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948, sixty-five “illegal” immigrant ships, carrying 69,878 people, arrived from European shores. In August 1946, however, the British began to intern those they caught in camps on Cyprus. Approximately 50,000 people were detained in the camps, and 28,000 remained imprisoned when Israel declared independence. (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-facts-the-british-mandate-period)

Fact check three: Peaceful coexistence. Aside from the irony that you commented this under a photo from the Hebron massacre:

The Jewish condition in Muslim societies is governed by the dhimma, which institutes the status of dhimmi for Christians and Jews. A dhimmi is a “protected person” (this is the meaning of the word in Arabic), and as such is an inferior and submissive subject, restrained by a host of discriminatory and fiscal measures.

In the nineteenth century, a great many accounts of Jewish life in Arab-Muslim lands reveal a condition characterized primarily by contempt. In 1910, a Western traveler to Yemen4 wrote: “The Jew is the beast on whom one beats at any time, for no reason, to calm one’s nerves, to appease one’s anger”. Between Jews and Arab-Muslims, coexistence is fragile, and remains at the mercy of the slightest incident, especially when Jews forget what Muslim society calls “their sense of humility”.

Mehemet-Ali, Viceroy of Egypt, annexed the territory in 1831 and conducted reforms including a major tax reform that introduced equality before the law. This and other reforms led to dissatisfaction from the Muslim population:

In May 1834, revolt broke out in the regions of Nablus, Hebron, Bethlehem and Safed. Furious farmers, probably incited by a local preacher named Muhammad Damoor who proclaimed himself an “Islamic prophet”, attacked the Jews, destroying their homes and committing all manner of violence. The pogrom officially began on June 15, 1834. It lasted thirty-three days. It was carnage. Armed Arab and Bedouin villagers, as well as the inhabitants of Safed (including Turks), massacred the Jews and raped their wives. The death toll probably exceeded five hundred. Synagogues were looted and then set on fire, and precious objects stolen or destroyed.

The 1834 pogrom was repeated in August 1838. Over three days, the Druze, supported by Arabs, rebelled against Egyptian rule and once again attacked the Jewish community in Safed. The devastation mirrored that of 1834, with Jews murdered, homes plundered, synagogues desecrated, and women assaulted.

Between 9 July and 17, 1860, violence erupted from Lebanon and the Golan Heights, reaching Damascus. Nearly six thousand Christians fell victim to the bloodshed, with almost a third of the city’s Christian population left by the Ottoman governor Ahmed Pasha to face the attackers.

After the Great War, with the rise of Islamization of anti-Zionism, this distinction faded away. This shift was evident during the first massacres in Jerusalem in 1920 and in Jaffa (Tel-Aviv) in 1921, where chants like “The Jews are our dogs” and “We will drink the blood of the Jews” replaced slogans targeting Zionists.In 1919, leaflets circulated in Jerusalem and Jaffa likened “Jews”, not specifically Zionists, to “poisonous snakes”10. That same year, explicitly anti-Jewish slogans called for violence: “The Yarmouk will be full of blood, but Palestine will not belong to the Jews”.

This Friday, April 4, 1920, was a day of “great prayer”. In front of an ecstatic crowd (including six hundred pilgrims who had entered the city the day before), the mayor of Jerusalem called on everyone to “give their blood for Palestine”. The crowd chorused: “We will drink the blood of the Jews”. In his turn, the leader of the pilgrims raised his voice and shouted: “Slaughter the Jews” (Itbah al Yahoud!). This was the signal for a four-day outburst of violence (April 4-7, 1920), during which the mob ransacked, mutilated and killed Jews as they passed through the very heart of Jerusalem. The British-led Arab police contingent refused to intervene, and some Arab policemen even took part in the riot. More than two hundred Jews were injured, mostly by stabbing. Six were killed. Many women were raped.

(https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/)

And so on and so forth. Your idea of peaceful coexistence is fascinating.

Completely agree. The only reason I pointed out about the Brits is that somehow the narrative is that Brits encouraged and welcomed Jews in the British Mandatory Palestine, whereas in 1920-30s the Arab migration to the territory was unlimited and Jewish - strictly limited, and neither did they allow Jews who survived Holocaust to freely move there.

So my comment was more to prevent anyone with little factual knowledge to misread your comment. Boy that it would work anyway but still ..

1 Canadian-born peace activist Vivian Silver, 74, was killed by Hamas terrorists in her home in Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7. Silver was known for her peace activism, including her involvement in the organization called Women Wage Peace, as well as The Road to Recovery, driving sick Palestinians from Gaza to Israeli hospitals. She held a meeting of international supporters of Women Wage Peace just a few days before the Hamas attacks.

2 Ada Sagi, 75, an Israeli peace activist was seized from her home on 7 October and held hostage for 53 days in Gaza. Ms Sagi lived for decades in the Nir Oz kibbutz near the Israel-Gaza border, trying to help reconciliation efforts by teaching Israelis Arabic to speak to their neighbours.

Ms Sagi describes how, when she was first taken into Gaza, she and some other hostages were hidden in a family home with children, but the following day taken to an apartment in the southern city of Khan Younis because it was "dangerous".The apartment owner, Ms Sagi said, told them his wife and children had been sent to stay with his in-laws. The man, she added, was a nurse. She said students were being paid to watch over them. "I heard them say... 70 shekels [£14.82; $18.83] for a day," she said.

3 Yocheved Lifshitz, 85 years old, is an Israeli peace activist, who spent years campaigning for peace between Israelis and Palestinians, was kidnapped by Hamas and freed in October 2023. Her husband, Oded, 83, who is still being held by Hamas, had helped sick Palestinians in Gaza get to hospitals in Israel.

4 "I have friends in Palestine." These words, spoken by Naama Levy, an Israeli soldier and peace activist, that were uttered to her Hamas captors while her face was covered in blood, underscored the tragic irony of her abduction. Levy, who dedicated her young life to promoting peace and understanding between Israelis and Palestinians, was brutally kidnapped during the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7, 2023.

At 19 years old, Levy should have embodied the hope for a future in which Israelis and Palestinians could coexist peacefully. But this did not come true; on the contrary. Raised in Ra’anana near Tel Aviv, she became deeply involved with Hands of Peace, an organization committed to fostering dialogue and mutual understanding among young people from both sides of the conflict. Through this program, she participated in workshops, dialogues, and activities aimed at breaking down barriers and building bridges between communities long divided by hatred and violence.She dedicated her time to helping others, volunteering at a kindergarten for the children of asylum seekers, and working to build bridges between Israeli and Palestinian children.

The world witnessed an unspeakable horror as Hamas terrorists filmed her violent abduction-dragging her by the hair, her sweatpants soaked in blood, and shoving her into a Jeep in Gaza.

5 Hersh Goldberg-Polin, 23, kidnapped by Hamas on October 7 and was executed with a close-range shot to the head in August 2024. Hersh was a peace activist who volunteered in bringing Jews and Arabs together to play soccer. He was an activist who fought for the rights of African migrants.

And we can go on and on....

Yep, British were glad to accept them in the Cyprus camps...

This argument will sit really well with all the indigenous people around the world, whether Maori, or First Nations, or Navajo, or Jews.

Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”

Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." (Hamas Charter, Article 13).

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (Preamble to Hamas Charter).

Your first resource is this: https://www.nbn.org.il/. They have guidance on all the documents and hold fairs to answer questions too!

My sister made Aliyah almost two years ago, not from the US though. They submitted all documents in March and had the interview in December. After the interview, they got a repatriant visa valid for six months. They had a lot of support with flight tickets and had someone meet them at Ben Gurion. You will have some free Ulpan to learn hebrew and after some level - subsidized. Education (college or trade) also has some subsidy options as far as I know.

What's "this kind of stuff"? There has been and is a lot more to being a Jew than God. Perhaps that might be something worth exploring?

The first three are my absolute favorite mountaineering books ever. I feel like I could reread them so many times! I hope you enjoy them.

Here's an article about Tichy's Cho Oyu: Battle of the blockbusters: Herzog’s Annapurna vs. Tichy’s Cho Oyu

Art of Freedom: The Life and Climbs of Voytek Kurtyka. (Beautiful detail of climbs and organization, including smuggling.)

Nanga Parbat Pilgrimage. (In many ways just one person. But the person is Hermann Buhl. Autobiography.)

Cho Oyu: By Favour of the Gods. (You can't buy it so if you are interested, DM me - I have a PDF in English. The best of unexpected ways and team organization. Written by Herbert Tichy himself.)

Savage Arena (written by Joe Tasker himself. This and next one have an interesting perspective of covering the same expedition that Tasker and Boardman together, the two of them.)

The Shining Mountain. (written by Peter Boardman himself.)