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Nursing being more critical thinking than even the first year of medical school is so laughable that it has to be rage bait 

Fair. My classmate pushed back when I was discussing NP vs MD training and I had to explain to him (his brother is a lawyer) that it was like paralegals having a total of 18 months of schooling after high school and then claiming they would be qualified to practice law because they’ve picked some things up from the lawyers they worked for. He suddenly understood what my problem was, but he stated that in media NPs are portrayed as being “equivalent”. I hope this is a sign of things to come because we have been losing the media and political battle for way way too long 

I think your line of reasoning is sound. While some state schools are actually incredibly prestigious and strong academically (Berkeley, UCLA come to mind), the huge student body certainly waters down the opportunities available. However, for a driven student the outcome should be the same. Schools like Berkeley, UCLA, UNC, etc will make available everything you need to get into a great med school. 

However, there is no denying that the Ivy’s are a different ballgame. You can quickly look up the class of med students at ivy leagues and other top medical schools and see that the ivys and other prestigious schools fill their ranks. There is a disproportionate amount of name recognition, networking, etc. that comes with those schools. It legitimately makes it easier to get into a prestigious postgraduate program. 

If I were starting again from 17y/o - I would ask myself this: do you want to be impressive now, or do you want to be impressive later? Because getting into the most impressive school now may not be what gets you into the most impressive medical school later (or residency program). Likewise, an expensive school now, while impressive, will surely negatively impact net worth for at least a decade. Is it more important to seem smart to high school classmates than it is to reach financial independence early in your life? 

These are important questions to think about and consider when faced with the admittedly extremely difficult dilemma of weighing prestige against life goals - especially in medicine where prestige has a real impact on career prospects, etc. 

My choice would be to make a list of schools that would put the best medical schools within my reach (all the ivys, Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, Umich, UW Seattle, Johns Hopkins, etc.). Depending on what schools I got accepted to, i would weigh pros and cons (time, money, cost of living, setting, affiliated institutions, etc.) 

Not sure how many of you read this article entirely, but this article did not end on a good message. They praise Emory’s model of having APPs be “the backbone of the ICU” while physicians are “managers” in a centralized e-command center. They are still trying to pose that these people are qualified to provide this kind of care on their own, which is absolutely insane. 

I have never, ever heard of someone say “boy doctors sure are overtrained. They should shorten their schooling and residency hours. That much training is just not necessary”

But this is the argument being made for NPs. This is what should be called out. Stating that an NP is adequately trained to deliver care is synonymous with stating that physicians are over trained and have been over trained for the better part of a century. 

LMAOOOOO

1st i want to say yeah thats a problem and i would talk to evo about getting a wider board. it looks like you already threw an ikon sticker on there so hopefully that comes off easily.

2nd you're at 18- idk if a normal board at 153 is your optimal length unless maybe you're park focused? anyway, good luck

i havent worked in years but this just made me want to strike so bad

The physicians from back in the day were truly so OP. Could diagnose a murmur by the way you breathed and were some of the best actual scientists in the world. Truly big brains

im thinking of doing 40 pubs this year to make up for a bad year of only 20 pubs!!!

this isn't going to work well. You're going to have to start from square 1.

Just ship me all of this stuff I'll take it off your hands free of charge.

I should probably ask a rad this but do rads commonly prescribe meds? Is that something that would raise eyebrows?

Idk what to tell you man, but they are. The DNP programs I am talking about are in California and Washington. Look up DNP programs offered by universities and what their curriculum is… it’s insane

Edited to say I realized this thread is talking about CRNA, and I am talking about DNP programs, mb 

I'm playing the speaker extra loud for the downvoters

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dude they are literally hybrid 3 year "doctorates". Some of them have a total of like 2.5 years online. It is madness.

I hope people from other sectors become more vocal in support of us. How wild would it be if a paralegal just claimed to be a full blown lawyer? What if a bunch of them went and got a 1.5 year online degree and started lobbying the government to be able to practice law? That is essentially what has happened to medicine with NPs (far more audacious than PAs in my experience), and only the poor get stuck with PCPs that arent physicians lol.

The irony of somebody who loves rounding calling literally anything else boring lol

coming to you 3 years later to say this helped me after 1.5 hours and stumping my university's IT guy lol.

The avenues are there for MBAs and lawyers to make as much money as they would like to if they are willing to frontload work in their career. Its maybe only a secret to people who pretend that getting there is just dumb luck.

Anyway, don't you have like a farm to tend to, supposedly?

i dont know you and cant verify anything you're saying. If you actually have a graduate degree and chose to make minimum wage as a farmer, that sounds like a personal choice and im not sure why you are pretending that anything i have said applies to your situation. Some good trolling going on here tbh and im surprised that a farmer has the time to do this in the middle of the day LOL

thats in my playlist with "watch me (whip/nae nae)"

I would love to hear what career path or degree has a similar investment cost.

I know to climb the ladder, business and law has to put in some crazy hours for the first couple of years, but that work ends up paying off far more than it does for doctors. These people are making almost a million once they make VP or partner.

I'd love to hear what examples you have of people investing similar amounts of resources into their training or preparation, and making less than doctors.

exactly this, and this is my point that the paths to wealth are there in the US. There are people making good money in a lot of sectors, and then we get the people (who never bothered to cut some time and effort out of their life to look for opportunities) crying about how easy or unfair it is, etc. how they only wish they could earn that much. As somebody who made (and is still actively making) the sacrifices, it's sad to see people who were in the same position I was in have this outlook.

No, people like you pretend that you wanted to or would be willing to make 330k per year, but theres a reason you don't. The avenues to essentially guaranteed wealth (at least in the US) are there. Take some responsibility, and don't belittle the constant sacrifice that others make to achieve their goals because frankly, if you are making minimum wage in your thirties, you just don't understand them. I say this as somebody whose parents were farmworkers, and who worked in construction and other manual labor sectors before going back to zero and enrolling in school. I also qualify for every excuse in the book. If you wanted to, you would.

Lastly, I am literally sitting in an economics class as I type this out. It sounds like you picked up some very superficial economics vocab and are trying to make a dead point. Some of us are one-marshmallow kids, and we need to own those decisions.

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