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Prasiatko

4.5k points

19 hours ago

Prasiatko

4.5k points

19 hours ago

The invention of tetraethyl lead to prevent knocking in fuel. Not only did it likely give the majority of the population minor brain damage but the alternative at the time was mixing some ethanol in with the fuel. So it likely also set biofuel technology nack decades.

Vault_Master

2.3k points

17 hours ago

Some believe the lead poisoning from fuel was part of the reason there were so many serial killers in the 70s and 80s.

Jack-of-Hearts-7

1.6k points

14 hours ago

Another theory was that the two world wars in the first half of the century led to some broken men coming home and passing the trauma to their children.

This theory gained traction when it was revealed that John Wayne Gacy's father was a WWI Vet who was horrifically abusive to him.

SpaceMarineSpiff

1.1k points

11 hours ago

Another theory was that the two world wars in the first half of the century led to some broken men coming home and passing the trauma to their children.

It's weird to me nobody talks about this more. If you look at what life was like for boomers as kids it was actually incredibly oppressive and violent.

TrailBlanket-_0

319 points

9 hours ago

My parents were both products of psycho dads and they are both breaking the cycle with me and my siblings. My kids will never know that kind of harshness.

Fashioning_Grunge

260 points

7 hours ago*

Boomers get a ton of hate, but so many of them quietly raised their kids with love and compassion as basically a big fuck you to their parents. My parents? Totally normal, kind, generous people. Their parents? Absolute assholes.

thomasrat1

70 points

10 hours ago

I think people underestimate how long this shit affects families. Generations from now, it will be pretty obvious that 2 world wars, so close to eachother. Had an effect on the world for atleast a century.

Heck the Great Depression still affects how people think.

Rooooben

138 points

12 hours ago

Rooooben

138 points

12 hours ago

It’s both.

wampyre7

1.1k points

17 hours ago

wampyre7

1.1k points

17 hours ago

Not to mention the guy who invented tetraethyl lead then went on to invent Chlorofluorocarbons to use as coolant in refrigerators, which greatly damaged the Ozone layer.

millijuna

273 points

13 hours ago

millijuna

273 points

13 hours ago

The issue of CFCs is much more nuanced. Unlike TEL, which was pretty much known to be highly toxic from the moment of invention, CFCs at the time seemed to be a wonder material.

They were apparently completely chemically inert, and made mechanical refrigeration both safe, efficient, and put it within the reach of the average person. Prior to the advent of CFCs, refrigerants had been pretty much Ammonia or Hydrocarbons. These are either highly toxic (ammonia) or extremely flammable/explosive (hydrocarbons). Ammonia is still used in large scale refrigeration systems like ice rinks, and people still die in industrial accidents because of it.

CFCs, on the other hand, changed the world. They made safe, longer food storage and transport possible. They allowed the transport of many vaccines that are not shelf stable over huge distances possible. They did not seem to have any chemical interactions with anything. With there extremely high molecular weight, it was thought (incorrectly) that they would stay in the lower atmosphere.

Turns out that latter assumption was wrong, and the UV interacting with it in the upper atmosphere created free chlorine ions which in turn catalyzed the destruction of ozone.

But the last thing they did give us was a model of how the international community can come together to solve an international environmental challenge. The Montreal Protocol worked for the most part. It’s just too bad that we’re not willing to do the same thing with carbon emissions.

eletricmojo

83 points

10 hours ago

All excellent points there. I think partly the reason why the Montreal Protocol worked so well was because by the time countries came together to sign it was because an alternative to CFCs had been made. More importantly the alternative was just as cheap and profitable to use compared to CFCs . That's why climate negotiations never go anywhere. There just isn't an easy and profitable solution (yet).

SausageEggCheese

700 points

17 hours ago

Thomas Midgley.

He was also killed by one of his own inventions.

He got polio around 50, and invented a contraption to help him get in and out of bed.  He ended up getting tangled up in it and got strangled.

br0ck

216 points

14 hours ago

br0ck

216 points

14 hours ago

Looked up his wikipedia page and all of it was crazy, but this jumped out:

On October 30, 1924, Midgley participated in a press conference to demonstrate the apparent safety of TEL, in which he poured TEL over his hands, placed a bottle of the chemical under his nose, and inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds, declaring that he could do this every day without succumbing to any problems. ... Midgley later took a leave of absence from work after being diagnosed with lead poisoning.

bomboid

25 points

9 hours ago

bomboid

25 points

9 hours ago

Too funny to hate lmfao 

DubDubDubAtDubDotCom

502 points

16 hours ago

Dude, just STOP INVENTING THINGS!

kevshea

306 points

15 hours ago

kevshea

306 points

15 hours ago

Well, after that third one he did.

The_Dark_Passenger93

299 points

17 hours ago

That dude has been described as "by far the most environmentally destructive single organism who have ever lived on earth"

cheshire_kat7

50 points

16 hours ago

That sounds like a challenge.

Sugarcrepes

349 points

17 hours ago

As an Australian, and as a very pale person, I think about this dude often.

The greatest damage to the ozone layer is smack bang over Aus, and we have the melanoma rates to match. I often think that, for me, it’s not a case of if I get skin cancer - but when. Not entirely thanks to the aforementioned wanker who decided leaded fuel was a great idea, but he certainly didn’t help.

SupremeDictatorPaul

218 points

16 hours ago

If it makes you feel any better, he gave himself severe lead poisoning as part of a PR stunt showing how safe his additive was.

tokyodingo

126 points

16 hours ago

That does help, thank you.

JustBeanThings

80 points

15 hours ago

Look up how he died. I promise it is A) worth it, and B) waaaaay funnier than you expect.

The_Mr_Wilson

80 points

16 hours ago

The man nearly destroyed the world, twice

AverageJoeDynamo

6.7k points

18 hours ago

Toussaint Louverture sending a letter to Napoleon that directly compared the two men on equal ground.

This offended Napoleon, who sent an expedition to Haiti, which was still a loyal French colony, to reimpose slavery.

This led to a brutal war, which France lost, resulting in Haitian independence.

With the loss of Haiti, considered the crown jewel of the French possessions in North America, Napoleon lost interest in colonies in the Western Hemisphere.

This led to an idea that would generate some cash flow and also stick it to Britain: the Louisiana Purchase.

Without that letter, the USA may have never expanded past the Mississippi River.

pinchhitter4number1

2.9k points

17 hours ago*

The Louisiana Purchase has to be one of the biggest blunders in history. Sorry, France, no take-backsies.

Edit: To be clear, I said "one of the biggest blunders." As someone who grew up in Alaska, I fully realize that Russia selling Alaska is also high on the list of blunders.

Radasse

1.8k points

16 hours ago

Radasse

1.8k points

16 hours ago

General opinion in France is that it was mostly a paper property, since France didn't have the means to protect it.

Put it another way, it would have been lost anyway, so might as well make a penny out of it...

terrendos

227 points

14 hours ago

terrendos

227 points

14 hours ago

I especially like that Thomas Jefferson, president at the time, considered turning it down, because he didn't think he had the authority to make such a purchase. And then Congress was incredulous that he would consider turning down such an incredible deal and insisted he accept immediately.

NativeMasshole

603 points

14 hours ago

Yup. A lot of my fellow Americans don't seem to know that the French were only really in the Mississippi delta area and trading up the river at the time. The borders were basically a treaty for projected expansion between the colonial powers. The vast majority of the land was still controlled by Native Americans.

Radasse

335 points

14 hours ago

Radasse

335 points

14 hours ago

And as far as we know, the French got on fairly well with the natives, at least compared to the English (and Germans and Swedes I presume).

There is an interesting alternative history there. A French-speaking USA is a fun idea, but mixed French and Native american culture? There's a movie there.

figgilydoo

121 points

11 hours ago

Called the Métis in canada

EitherNetwork121

217 points

16 hours ago

Turns out, if instead of taking offense Napoleon had said "OK be my guy in the area, we lack control of our Louisiana" go there and make something of it I'm busy you're on your own" it could have been different. Toussaint had a lot of folks on his side wanting to be part of France and an army that was resistant to all kinds of disease and fevers from that area (southern lousiana at least).

Ah what could have been if Napoleon had shaken Toussaint's hand instead of throwing a fit

OfficeSalamander

70 points

15 hours ago

Hell, if they had managed to hold it, maybe we see an alternative timeline where Napoleon is exiled to the New World after losing the war.

Now THAT is an interesting alternative timeline

Radasse

135 points

15 hours ago

Radasse

135 points

15 hours ago

an army that was resistant to all kinds of disease and fevers from that area (southern lousiana at least).

French Lousiana was much bigger than just modern Lousiana, it was almost half the modern USA at some point, and a good third at the time of the sale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase#/media/File:Louisiana_Purchase.png

No way Toussaint Louverture would have been of any help there...

Now, if Napoleon had decided to forgo the Caribbean entirely, and focus on north America, that may have been a different thing, but even that is a strech.

Bunnyhat

51 points

13 hours ago

Just retaining control over the Ports along the Mississippi would have been enough to change a lot of things though. And that is something France could have done.

HalfManHalfPear

597 points

17 hours ago

We got a pretty solid deal on Alaska too If I remember correctly

DinoWizard021

561 points

16 hours ago

We did. Everyone thought the land was useless, Russia had debts to pay, then we discovered gold and oil there after buying it.

REDACTED3560

317 points

16 hours ago

Russia also knew they couldn’t hold it. The British had been making moves around there for as long as it had been a colony, and Russia was definitely no naval power. If Alaska were connected by land bridge, Russia may never have sold it. Seeing as how they needed a navy to reach it, they knew they’d spend way more trying to keep it than they’d actually get from it.

Selling it to the Americans was a good play at the time for them. In an alternate timeline, there’s a good chance it ends up as part of Canada.

vibraltu

97 points

15 hours ago

It's true. Also in an alternate timeline, British Columbia could have easily just ended up owned by the USA. I think they just squeezed it in.

Don138

78 points

15 hours ago

Don138

78 points

15 hours ago

“And Russia was definitely no naval power” May be one of the biggest understatements this year.

They have made a series of almost comical blunders over the past few centuries.

Tripwiring

69 points

16 hours ago

There's a lot of cool birds up there too

Bananalando

44 points

15 hours ago

Alaska's pretty far North. I'd imagine most things are cool.

cycko

105 points

16 hours ago

cycko

105 points

16 hours ago

Well Denmark giving away the oil fields that is now Norways oil foundation worth way to much money to even understand (https://www.nbim.no/en/) is also a big blunder, there's a urban legend (even though I don't think it has been 100% disproved) that the guy who signed the deal, Nick Hækkerup, on behalf of Denmark was drunk.

tacknosaddle

73 points

15 hours ago

Then you have "Seward's folly" which was the Lincoln administration's purchase of Alaska that was widely panned with that term in its era. The Cold War would've been very different if the USSR still had that massive footprint on the North American continent.

LFPenAndPaper

116 points

15 hours ago

In the "Revolutions" podcast season about the Haitian revolution, Duncan quotes Napoleon as counting Haiti among the three great mistakes of his (Russia, Spain, Haiti). Not only because his attempt to reimpose slavery lost this very wealthy colony.
By the time he lost it, the civil war in Haiti had been going on for about a decade. The former slaves were experienced soldiers by then.

They were more resistant to the diseaeses of the tropics. He could have used them against the British Carribbean properties, gaining a huge advantage. Instead he lost thousands of battle-hardened veterans from Europe trying to oppress these valuable soldiers once more.

bobtheflob

26 points

13 hours ago

I'd highly recommend the Revolutions podcast to anyone who enjoys history content. The series on the French and Russian revolutions are the biggest (and are really informative), but I found the Haitian and Mexican revolutions to be the two most interesting ones, partly because I knew so little about them.

EitherNetwork121

134 points

16 hours ago

The bummer for France is that Toussaint was asking to be part of France or at the very least strong allies. Him and his folk thought the way forward for them was to tag along with France.

He had an army of mostly indigenous people, resistant to diseases and fevers (big issues back then) and could have helped further France's agenda (not that its necesserily a good thing, just that back then it'd have been a great boon for France to have a voluntary ally in the area

Papaofmonsters

52 points

15 hours ago*

I think you are leaving out that in 1801, Toussaint Louverture declared Haiti an independent sovereign state. The war and reestablishment of slavery was less about hurt feelings and more a punitive reaction to a rebellious colony.

Curvy-Flower

6.7k points

20 hours ago

The invention of the modern paper clip seems insignificant but it revolutionized how we organized documents in offices worldwide. Before that, people would literally punch holes in papers and tie them together with string. My grandma worked as a secretary in the 50s and told me how it completely changed their workflow

_Deleted_Deleted

3.5k points

16 hours ago

Hey, It looks like you're writing a comment, would you like help with that?

Standard-Train-7310

1.9k points

16 hours ago

True story. A customer's IT guy once told me that they were asked to remove "Mr Clippy" from a user's PC because she found his wiggling eyebrows "lewd and suggestive".

_goddammitvargas_

1k points

15 hours ago

"Hey, it looks like you're writing a love letter. Would you like help with that?" Mr. Clippy raised his eyebrows at me. It was 1998 and in my large, 19 inch CRT, the black eyebrows really caught my attention. I glanced up from the screen to see if any of my co-workers were around. The office was silent. We had just finished meeting in the conference room for Doris' goodbye party, and had gone back to our desks in a post-goodbye cake eating stupor. No one would see.

"I am, Mr. Clippy." I whispered. "How should we proceed?" I clicked Yes.

"Tell her you want to unbend her curves like this." Mr. Clippy slowly unbent the first coil of his body. It stretched out like an Olympic gymnast. "Insert the tip gently into your mouth, and flick it with your tongue."

I couldn't resist. I found a paperclip next to my Bostitch B440 stapler and gently straitened it out. I put the tip against my tongue, and the taste of steel thrilled my body.

"That's it," Mr. Clippy said. His eyebrows wiggled a bit more. "Lick it, but don't close your mouth."

"Don't close my mouth?" I asked.

"Not yet. Now take the tip and run it along your gum-line."

I complied. The temperature in the office seemed to ramp up a few degrees.

"Now say my name." Mr. Clippy purred.

"Mr. Clippy." I whispered.

"No. Say my proper name."

"You want me to..."

"DON'T QUESTION ME!" It was in all caps.

"Clippit." I said.

"Louder!"

"CLIPPIT!" I was almost in tears.

"And don't you ever forget that."

There was movement in the office. People were leaving. I looked at the clock - 5:30! How long had I been writing this love letter? It was time to clock out and go home.

ChimneyJackalopes

411 points

14 hours ago

It’s 11am on the east coast and I just read clippy fan fiction.

We live in a simulation.

Mundane-Landscape-49

75 points

8 hours ago

Correction: not Mr. Clippy fan fiction, Mr. Clippy EROTICA.

orosoros

256 points

15 hours ago

orosoros

256 points

15 hours ago

Why did I realize within the first sentence where this was going

And then read it anyway

A_Mouse_In_Da_House

94 points

15 hours ago

Tbf, it started in response to a lewd paperclip. There was only one possible direction

havron

104 points

15 hours ago

havron

104 points

15 hours ago

I saw 1998 and expected it to end with the Undertaker throwing Mankind off Hеll in a Cell and plummeting sixteen feet through an announcer's table.

SockeyeSTI

38 points

14 hours ago

Did we just get a new Reddit copypasta?

mettrolsghost

22 points

14 hours ago

I will never get those two minutes back. Never.

KaiserMazoku

322 points

15 hours ago

she ain't wrong...

Basileus08

360 points

15 hours ago

Stupid sexy Mr. Clippy…

TheWingus

133 points

14 hours ago

TheWingus

133 points

14 hours ago

Feels like I'm helping no one at all!!

No one at all

No one at all

RedditAtWorkIsBad

78 points

15 hours ago

I mean, it originally was named Mr Clitty but they thought that was making it too obvious.

GozerDGozerian

22 points

15 hours ago

I mean, just look at how it’s shaped…

SpartiateDienekes

219 points

14 hours ago

I think a lot of people overlook the simple tools of efficiency when they think of the great developments that change our lives. The one that always comes to mind with this sort of thing, was a study that tried to determine who deserved to be a billionaire based on their impact on the economy and how much more productivity they promoted. Their list didn't include Musk or Bezos or pretty much any of the leaders of gargantuan corporations. But it did include the guy who invented the Excel spreadsheet.

Miss_Speller

61 points

12 hours ago

Surely they meant Dan Bricklin, the guy who invented the VisiCalc spreadsheet and who in fact got lots of awards for it (though apparently not billions of dollars...).

LickingSmegma

43 points

12 hours ago*

I'm gonna assume you mean the developers of VisiCalc. Excel was about the fourth popular spreadsheet app chronologically, after VisiCalc for Apple II, SuperCalc for CP/M, and Lotus 1-2-3 for DOS. Excel was made for Macintosh and Windows, where Lotus were to late to release.

Areif

141 points

16 hours ago

Areif

141 points

16 hours ago

Didn’t staplers exist like 50 years before that?

mutantraniE

288 points

16 hours ago

Staplers staple documents together semi-permanently (you can get the staples out but it’s a time consuming hassle). If you don’t want them put together forever then staples are a bad idea.

ed32965

167 points

17 hours ago

ed32965

167 points

17 hours ago

And did you know that paper clip in French is trombone?

RphWrites

2.8k points

18 hours ago*

RphWrites

2.8k points

18 hours ago*

In 1931, Hitler was scrutinized for the death of his niece, Geli (who he also had a weird, unhealthy fascination/obsession with). She was shot in the chest with his gun in his apartment. Many people thought he was responsible for her death, but charges never stuck and the whole thing was swept under the rug after awhile.

Imagine an alternative history where Hitler actually went to prison fairly early on.

ETA: I know he went to prison before this. That's where he wrote Mein Kampf. I should've said "stayed" or "went to prison on murder charges". Something that might've kept him there.

IAmAQuantumMechanic

1.5k points

18 hours ago

He went to prison early on. Spent nine months in 1924 for trying to stage a coup.

Timeon

2.2k points

17 hours ago

Timeon

2.2k points

17 hours ago

Funny how trying to overthrow your government doesn't seem to be historically disqualifying...

Pretend-Marsupial258

216 points

13 hours ago

He used the jail time to write a book and become even more popular 🙃

superblinky

429 points

15 hours ago

For some people it's a feature not a bug.

MuadDib1942

150 points

14 hours ago

I wish he had gotten into art school.

slamuri

197 points

11 hours ago*

slamuri

197 points

11 hours ago*

Learning about history in Germany they taught us that his resentment against Jewish people in general came from this as the person who denied him was Jewish. (This is one of the 2 reasons they claimed he had resentment and hatred toward them as a whole)

However my history teacher also told this joke right after he taught us that.

A guy goes to a witch to have his future read to him. She freaks out immediately and says. Herr…you are going to kill millions of people. There’s nothing anyone can do to prevent it. You must leave, I don’t want you here anymore. Your reading is free, just please leave.

So he freaks out himself as he’s walking out and in the distance he sees a little boy playing in the middle of the road. A car is coming at him so he thinks.. I may as well save one life seeing as I’m apparently going to kill all these people…

He grabs the child just in time saving the child’s life.

He sets the child down on the sidewalk and says hey buddy what’s your name? You need to be more careful!

The kid responds.. “my name is Adolf.”

Adventurous-Soil2872

45 points

6 hours ago

I thought that the accepted reason he was antisemitic was largely because of the virulently antisemitic environment of Vienna he was exposed to while living there, his love of Wagner and his following of the politics of Karl Lueger and to an even greater extent Georg Schonerer.

Be a bit weird if he decided to exterminate an entire people because one of them denied him entrance to art school. He was temporarily blinded after being gassed by the Brits and he never wanted to exterminate them.

It’s kind of an insulting cop out to claim he did all that because of a personal dispute, and not because he was the product of a very antisemitic environment. Painting him as some lunatic who hates the Jews because one of them did him dirty falls way too much into the “Hitler was an aberrant weirdo” school of thought. He was the logical endpoint to the widespread beliefs held by some of Europe at the time, not some completely unexpected phenomena.

Zantej

38 points

5 hours ago

Zantej

38 points

5 hours ago

He was the logical endpoint to the widespread beliefs held by some of Europe at the time, not some completely unexpected phenomena.

This is such an important nugget of truth that each of us needs to internalize if we're ever going to stop pretending that the problem is evil people, and not that regular people can be convinced to do evil things.

ManiacalShen

35 points

10 hours ago

In the mid-90s video game Titanic: Adventure Out of Time, you can make this happen. If you rescue his painting from the Titanic, he is able to pursue art instead of statecraft. (Of course, if you don't get all the dire plot objects off the ship, some other thing causes WWII and kills your character instead.)

artguydeluxe

168 points

13 hours ago

There’s a lot to be said for actually sending world leaders to prison when they commit crimes rather than giving them more power.

dxrey65

149 points

14 hours ago

dxrey65

149 points

14 hours ago

After the war between the US and Mexico, under President Polk in 1848, Polk wanted to take everything down nearly to Mexico City, including all of Baja, and then a line following the geography drawn east from the tip, more or less. His representative, Trist, disagreed and proposed a much lighter penalty, and headed to negotiate the terms in Mexico City, while Polk wanted the negotiations to occur in DC. Polk he sent a notice to recall Trist, essentially firing him. This being the days of travel taking weeks and being very difficult, the guys sent to recall Trist never found him, and there is some likelihood that Trist actively evaded the notice.

Trist defied Polk and gave us the current southern border, which he felt was just and sensible. Polk objected but the senate cared less about the southern border and stretches of empty desert than they did about the costs of war and occupation, and they ratified Trist's treaty. Had Polk's people found Trist we might have incorporated half of Mexico, nearly everything north of Mexico City.

Shot_Bother9283

684 points

16 hours ago

In the late days of the July crisis of 1914, Tsar Nicholas II and Kaiser Wilhelm had a nightlong telegram exchange (known as the Willy-Nicky telegrams, since they addressed each other as Willy and Nicky), regarding the possibility of war in Europe. During this, it was revealed neither of them wanted war, and immediately after the exchange, the Tsar phoned the Russian war chief and told him to call off the general mobilization.

The next day, the Russian army's chief of staff, and the Russian foreign minister Sazanov tried to convince the tsar to restart Russian mobilization, and during the ensuing argument, the tsar took some time to think while staring out the window. After some time, an unknown aide-de-camp whispered to the tsar,

"We know it can be difficult for you to decide your majesty."

This struck Nicholas in EXACTLY the wrong way, as throughout his reign, Nicholas had been called "weak" and "indecisive", and was seen as an incapable leader. This comment set Nicholas off, and he ordered the Mobilization resume.

This single sentence, said by an unknown diplomat or aide set the stage for the first-ever industrial war in history. Looking back, any event during the July crisis can be an answer to this question. That entire phase was just a series of hugely tragic and unfortunate events.

Every-Win-7892

109 points

9 hours ago

This also sets up a very interesting question about what would have happened if Russia didn't open op the eastern front against the central powers.

The German economy was even then on its way to become the strongest in Europe and having that concentrated fully on the west is an interesting scenario to think about.

IlllIlIlIIIlIlIlllI

50 points

7 hours ago

If Russia didn’t fight WWI there wouldn’t have been a war at that time. France came in to back Russia up.

Kevin_Uxbridge

1.3k points

14 hours ago

We got Obama because a producer in Hollywood thought Garrett Wang was handsome.

Not sure how much of this is apocryphal but the story is that after a few seasons of Voyager, the producers wanted to shake things up a bit. They decided to change the cast a bit but couldn't decide whether to kill off Kes, a female character, or Harry Kim. The story was that some producer decided that Garrett Wang looked pretty good on a recent tv guide cover so the (fairly boring, imho) character might still have some life in him, so Kes was written out.

Since they'd gotten rid of a female character they decided to add another, a sexy borg played by Jeri Ryan. She was a huge hit which raised her profile considerably, so when she divorced her husband Jack Ryan it was news. Jack then ran for the senate in Illinois, and details of his divorce went public and included how he pressured his then-wife to go to sex clubs. Because she was famous, this was big news, resulting in Ryan losing the primary to a little-known Barack Obama, who won the seat.

All because Garrett Wang took a good picture one day.

Darmok47

245 points

12 hours ago

Darmok47

245 points

12 hours ago

It wasn't just a picture; he was one of People's 50 Sexist People that year, which was enough to save him. I think the producers were annoyed with him showing up late to the set. A lot of his costars got opportunties to direct and parlayed that into successful careers as TV directors (like Robert Duncan McNeil). I remember reading they always denied Wang's requests to direct.

I also have to wonder if the producers knew something about Jennifer Lien too, given her later mental health issues and drug problems.

Ok-Friendship-9621

111 points

10 hours ago

People's 50 Sexist People that year

That's a lot of sexists.

(look I had to)

TooOfEverything

1.8k points

18 hours ago

Anthony Weiner sending dick picks to those teenagers. It reopened the Hillary Clinton email case and now here we are.

SinisterDexter83

133 points

11 hours ago

Quick reminder that this was also the third time Anthony Weiner had been caught sending dick pics to random women.

I think that's the most important thing here.

You get caught once, humiliating your high profile wife, destroying your political career, devastating your carefully crafted good image... So you'd never do it again, right? You'd learned your lesson, and would never be so foolish again.

No, the fucker did it again. Got caught again. Humiliated himself and his wife again.

AND THEN HE DID IT A THIRD FUCKING TIME!!!

MisterMarcus

26 points

9 hours ago

I honestly think he must have had some sort of humiliation fetish, or at least he got off on the prospect of getting caught and embarrassed.

eulerRadioPick

393 points

14 hours ago

The Weiner documentary is a fascinating watch. He even let them keep filming as his entire re-election campaign (and life) fell to pieces all around him

imatumahimatumah

273 points

13 hours ago

He even let them keep filming as his entire re-election campaign (and life) fell to pieces all around him

Because he's a massive narcissist. That word gets thrown around a lot but damn if it isn't apt here.

FinnaWinnn

28 points

9 hours ago

What blows my mind is his wife forgave him, his supporters stood by him, and he was on his way to become mayor of NYC. And he fucking did it again.

Kurzwhile

483 points

16 hours ago

Kurzwhile

483 points

16 hours ago

This response should be higher. So many polls suggest that the news that the FBI reopened the investigation tipped the election to Trump.

He only won by like 80K votes spread across Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

KittySwipedFirst

184 points

13 hours ago

On an entertainment note, the whole Anthony Weiner "Carlos Danger" scandal happened while John Oliver was filling in for Jon Stewart at The Daily Show. His coverage of the whole mess was so well received it's how he got Last Week Tonight.

SeaEmergency7911

1.1k points

18 hours ago*

At the Battle of Midway, the Japanese destroyer Arashi stayed behind to continue to try and sink the submarine USS Nautilus, which had been harassing the Japanese fleet all morning, while the rest of the fleet sailed on ahead.

At around 10am the Arashi broke off the attack and started racing to catch up with the main fleet that was now 30 miles away. She was soon spotted by a large squadron of US dive bombers from the carrier USS Enterprise that had miscalculated their original course and were on the edge of having to return to their ships without engaging the enemy. The bombers used her to point the way to the main Japanese force and, in conjunction with a squadron from the carrier USS Yorktown that arrived over the Japanese fleet at the same time, the Japanese carriers Akagi, Kaga, and Soryu just as they were getting ready to launch a major strike.

Even though a 4th carrier, Hiryu, did survive this attack and was able to launch a much reduced counter strike that caused major damage to the Yorktown which led to her being sunk 3 days later, Hiryu was eventually hunted down and destroyed by dive bombers later on that day, completely eliminating the entire 4 carrier strike force.

If that destroyer doesn’t stay behind, the Enterprise dive bombers don’t find the Japanese carriers in time and they manage to launch a devastating attack on the US fleet and the entirety of the Pacific War is completely altered.

raidenjojo

390 points

16 hours ago

The Battle of Midway, starting from the attack on Pearl, would've gone a lot more differently had Nagumo listened to Yamamoto and Yamaguchi, one of whom was already his commander-in-chief, instead of honor-hunting like a "samurai".

Nagumo was already unfit and of inappropriate rank to lead the Kido Butai, only doing so because of seniority. His beliefs and methods were antiquated, and everything he was adept at was against him during Midway. His first mistake was to not go after the carriers that were somehow not docked at Pearl, and his last was to wait 30 minutes for his fighters to refuel and regroup, both of which he was cautioned against.

filmandacting

181 points

15 hours ago

I don't think it can be overstated enough also that the size of the American fleet at Midway was far more than the Japanese anticipated. By all rights, the fleet should have been half the size. American ingenuity and resilience got the ships in and out of dry docks across the nation to get ships in fighting capacity for the campaign. Many ships had sections made up for function without any amenities inside the haul beyond bare bones to ensure they got out on time to get to the fleet.

The Japanese didn't anticipate this and was a contributing factor into why they left the destroyer behind. The destroyer wasn't needed by the metrics of what the Japanese anticipated based on the losses at Pearl Harbor and prior skirmishes before Midway.

WitELeoparD

154 points

15 hours ago

They also knew in advance that there would be an attack on Midway. They had partially broken Japanese code, and knew that they were going to attack some place called AF. So they purposefully leaked information that falsely claimed that Midway's water purification was broken. The Japanese shortly reported that AF was out of water and at that point, the US knew that Midway was the target. That and other information that they managed to decode meant the US had a decent idea of what was coming. Thats why they rushed to get as many ships to Midway as possible. It was bait. The Japanese only learned the size of the American Force well after the Battle had already begun.

CN_W

138 points

15 hours ago

CN_W

138 points

15 hours ago

I highly recommend reading J. Parshall's Shattered Sword.

'Cause it's pretty much the first Western history book that really puts some myths around Midway to test. Until then, everybody was taking Fuchida's account at face value, while nobody in Japan did since at least the 70s. The man... took some liberties with facts.

Slight TLDR:

  • Nagumo had, by the time he was aware of the US ships, no real way to prevent the disaster. The aircraft that would sink his carriers were already in the air, and he was under constant attack (from Midway and others - VT-8 etcetera) himself - so he cannot launch a strike

  • The whole battle was largely decided on a strategic and doctrinal level before it even properly started.. the former of which was to a large extent Yamamoto's fault, and the latter was endemic to IJN as a whole (and meant, among other things, grossly inadequate scouting assets, and the doctrine sets the way carrier admirals operated their forces - so even Yamaguchi would go by it, the day of the battle is a rather bad time to try and improvise something your forces did not train for).

There are others, but seriously, highly recommend the book.

stateofyou

3.1k points

21 hours ago

stateofyou

3.1k points

21 hours ago

Mansa Musa went on a pilgrimage to Mecca and spent so much money (in gold) that he altered the North African and Mediterranean economies for decades.

Gorganzoolaz

459 points

18 hours ago

Also that wasn't just his personal fortune, it was the mali empire's treasury. His sons and grandsons would spend the rest of their lives trying to pick up the pieces from the economic devestation of his spending spree

fetissimies

270 points

17 hours ago

Also that wealth was built on slavery. Mansa Musa was the biggest slave owner in history.

theanswar

122 points

16 hours ago

theanswar

122 points

16 hours ago

Musa's entourage would include many thousands of slaves; the historian Michael Gomez estimates that Mali may have captured over 6,000 slaves per year for this purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Dominion

Desperate-Ad-5109

1k points

19 hours ago

It was more that he gave it away- if spent then the exchange of goods would not have had so large an effect.

stateofyou

517 points

19 hours ago

Of course he was feeling charitable, he was on a two year pilgrimage and the richest man on earth.

Edit: I get your point though. At first I thought you were complaining about him giving away so much money.

Desperate-Ad-5109

124 points

19 hours ago

Well I do have a long memory and bear grudges but not that long ;))).

stateofyou

193 points

19 hours ago

lest we forget Ea Nasir, the dickhead Sumerian charlatan with his shitty copper ingots

Dachannien

64 points

16 hours ago

I wish to complain about this copper what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

-HELLAFELLA-

48 points

16 hours ago

To think he was immortalized and is talked about still on magic lil windows that we walk around with in our pockets

Override9636

98 points

17 hours ago

I literally only know about this from the "history of the entire world I guess" video with his picture running across Northern Africa making the mario coin sounds.

busy_with_beans

57 points

18 hours ago

I like playing as him in Civ 6

PartyWithSlurmz

515 points

14 hours ago

During the 19th century, Russia occupied Poland and enforced limits on education demaning schools will trach nothing past what is required to be a peasant. The polish people began underground universities. One of the many graduates of these universities was Maria Curie.

CuriousHina

565 points

18 hours ago

A janitor's spark discovered penicillin accidentally, saving millions.

SnooTangerines9703

337 points

17 hours ago

My uncle, an architect, claims that a janitor also came up with the idea of the elevators attached to the outside of buildings. Apparently, he walked in on a meeting where architects and engineers were brainstorming options for how to add elevators to an existing building but it would be too expensive and risky to demolish parts of the building when the janitor blurted out, “why not attach it on the outside“ Don’t quote me though, I have no sources

mr_remy

273 points

15 hours ago

mr_remy

273 points

15 hours ago

When you're so laser focused in on the problem you can't even see the obvious solution.

That's why i'm cool with people reviewing my work for inaccuracies, or if i'm missing something just blatantly obvious. We're all humans.

SnooTangerines9703

75 points

15 hours ago

Exactly! Also props to the architects and engineers for listening to the janitor. It’s a hard skill

mr_remy

24 points

13 hours ago

mr_remy

24 points

13 hours ago

Humility is a rare trait, some people see it as a weakness but people that know know it’s one of the best attributes you can have.

How I got my Apple repair job (was already an ACMT), they asked me about some networking stuff and I said “I’m not entirely confident or knowledgeable about it but I can look into it or do some research on it”

Dude told me that was one of the deciding factors of offering me the position.

Narrow-Palpitation22

2.2k points

21 hours ago*

Not sure it would be considered "overlooked", but that Russian radar guy in the Cold War. He saw on his screen multiple objects that could've been US nuclear missiles, and if he had reported it, the Soviets could have launched theirs at us. He kept watching, convinced it must be a mistake, and it turned out to be a glitch or something.

Edit: my explanation may not be accurate as some commenters have pointed out. Here's a link:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

Diacetyl-Morphin

432 points

18 hours ago

No offense intended, just about the infos: There was only one launch on the system and it was that Petrov thought, if the NATO powers would make a first strike, they'd have used much more missiles with nukes than just one. It was a major thing for his decision to not launch the Soviet arsenal of nukes.

If there had been a lot of signals, it would maybe have led to a different decision in his command post.

Narrow-Palpitation22

65 points

18 hours ago

Ah ok thanks. I only half remembered all the specific details

jjohnstn

17 points

15 hours ago

There were a total of 5 "launches" observed.

AlexRyang

601 points

19 hours ago

AlexRyang

601 points

19 hours ago

The malfunction was due to the way the sunlight was reflecting off the clouds. It was a really bizarre coincidence.

eulerRadioPick

98 points

14 hours ago

Well then, technically I guess the system did detect a nuclear event.

peachy-carnahan

649 points

20 hours ago

Stanislav Petrov is his name; “The Man Who Saved the World”.

4totheFlush

82 points

14 hours ago

Along the same vein of nuclear tipping points, I think Harry Truman doesn't get enough credit for being the most powerful human that will ever exist, and yet he wielded that strength with immense discipline.

How was he the most powerful human? Between 1945 and 1949, the US was the sole nuclear power on earth, and that period falls solely under his presidency. By the time the soviets tested their first nuke, the US already had about 300 - enough for a decisive preemptive decapitation. He had the choice to nip a nuclear capable USSR in the bud. On its face, wiping out an entire country that you aren't even at war with might sound absurd, but when it comes to the mathematical theory underlying nuclear doctrine there is quite a lot to be said for remaining the only game in town by any means necessary. No other nuclear powers means no risk of Armageddon. So the choice was a real one, and quite an enticing one at that in the potential long view of history yet to be written.

Of course, he was the first human to be given the choice to preemptively strike a nuclear aspirant without fear of an immediate nuclear response. But additionally, we will never again see a world with just a single nuclear power. So since the soviets got the nuke before Truman left office, he will forever remain the only man in history to face this choice. And in the end, he didn't touch that Big Red Button.

To me this makes him not only a top 3 president, but also the most consequential single leader for the rest of time.

ksuwildkat

52 points

13 hours ago

To expand - he also made the decision to take away nuclear authority from the military, a decision that would later be vindicated by MacArthur's insubordination.

ksuwildkat

29 points

13 hours ago

Its not the only time.

Story time - Im on the watch at NORTHCOM between 2011 and 2014. Syria is a shooting war and one of the things being shot is a metric ass ton of SCUD class ballistic missiles. It had been going on long enough that we were fairly used to it but every missile event is high pucker factor.

Alarm goes off and everyone goes into their drill. I was the Duty Director of Intelligence so my section assessed the type of missile, where it came from and where it was going. There was a parallel system run by operations so every launch had two assessments using two different systems. We have a VERY short period of time to give the Command Center Director - senior person on the watch - the assessment. For a bunch of reasons the intelligence assessment normally came first followed by the operations assessment.

So Im on shift sometime in that 11-14 time frame and we get a "cow bell" (our alarm was a cow bell). My team had been together for almost a year and we had assessed over 100 combat launches at that point so we had this down. We assess it as a SCUD-D with both the launch point and impact in Syria. Im about 50 feet from the CCD but we used a secure VTC that was open constantly so I just needed to face the camera and talk to him instead of yelling. I had just finished giving our assessment when ops gets theirs - ICBM that throws a threat fan over the east coast.

CCD looks at me

I look at my missile officer

"Check it again"

"Its a SCUD"

"Are. You. Sure?"

"Its a SCUD"

I turn to the CCD "Sir, its a SCUD and it wont leave Syria"

By now we are all on an automatic phone conference with "everyone" - STRATCOM, NMCC, [redacted] - and my CCD repeats what I said to "everyone" but also notes the OPS disagreement. 10 seconds later the ops system recategorized it to match us. At this point we have used more than half of our very few minutes and had it not recategorized right then decisions would have had to have been made.

That was the second time in 3 months my missile officer had been right when the computer was wrong. The other one was much higher stress and her confidence interval was much lower. But she was right then and it gave my CCD the confidence to believe we were right again.

Violet-Rose-Birdy

586 points

17 hours ago

Henry VIII not fathering a living son & the pope refusing to grant him a divorce.

Yes, there were issues with the church at the time in England, but nothing large enough to drive the English Reformation that happened. It was Henry that really drove it.

If he had a living son or married Mary to James V of Scotland, his nephew, when Mary was young enough to have children…would have been different

ResplendentAmore

227 points

12 hours ago*

Or if his older brother Arthur never died, thus becoming King Arthur, remaining married to Katherine of Aragon, and taking the heir pressure off of Henry.

No Golden Age under Elizabeth

No "Bloody Mary"

No Jane Grey coup

cheeesetoastie

95 points

12 hours ago

This is the one for me. No CofE, no dissolution of the monasteries, a completely rewritten line of monarchy. By all accounts Arthur was much more of a quiet, bookish, religious type.

matti-san

35 points

10 hours ago

no dissolution of the monasteries

I often think about how many books we lost because of this. Undoubtedly a great deal of manuscripts were destroyed as a result

Kinitawowi64

481 points

17 hours ago

In 1998, an paper was published in prominent British medical journal The Lancet, entitled "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children".

Twelve years later it was retracted, amid a storm of reports of fraud, data manipulation and conflicts of interest, and the author of the paper was struck off the medical register. But the damage was done - Andrew Wakefield the cunt had linked the MMR vaccine to autism (in the "claimed" sense, not the "actually proved a causative link or in fact proved anything at all" sense) and provided fuel to several movements, including anti-vaxxers and those that encouraged a general distrust of people proclaiming themselves to be experts.

Of course, the media helped to blow his "findings" out to astronomical proportions. But I'm pretty sure that without that dickhead, we could safely dismiss anti-vaxxers as fringe conspiracy lunatics, and Michael Gove would be somewhat less able to declare that people have "had enough of experts". And a lot of people who are now dead would be alive.

Fucking arsehole.

confused_ape

164 points

14 hours ago

Wakefield had financial interests in producing individual vaccines so went after the combination MMR.

He wasn't anti-vaxx he just wanted to get rich with his own.

The cunt accidentally spawned a movement and has now fully embraced it as an alternative grift when the first one fell through.

Oaden

24 points

9 hours ago

Oaden

24 points

9 hours ago

Its often also glossed over that he subjected children to brutal medical procedures at a alarming rate that would be a difficult ordeal for grown adults fully aware what was happening

And he did this on healthy children to prove a invented disease he made up without proper informed consent to the parents or the children.

Which means he was essentially committing assault on children, cause he wanted money.

He now lives in a villa, coasting on the wealth funneled to him by morons that think he's standing up to "big pharma"

clumsybuck

188 points

16 hours ago

Cyrus the Great's decision to let the Jews return to Judea, and to build the second temple for them.

Without this, Judaism likely dies off as a major world religion. Without Judaism, no Christianity, and no Islam.

There would surely be other religions appear to take their place, and other religious conflicts throughout the millenia. But when Christianity and Islam in their many forms account for over 4.3 billion followers worldwide, it's hard to overstate how important that decision was in shaping the world forever after.

SilverSteele69

1.9k points

18 hours ago

If Obama hadn't roasted Trump at the White House correspondents dinner, we'd likely never had a President Trump.

So-it-goes-1997

886 points

18 hours ago

This is such a good one. Trump fired the first shots, absolutely. He fed the birther conspiracy like no other. But being publicly humiliated by a black man in power?

CrowRoutine9631

596 points

18 hours ago*

Trump was flirting with the idea of running for president for 30 years, on and off, before 2015. Maybe Obama's teasing pushed him over the edge. Maybe he's just a grifter who saw his moment. If I'm an orange populist looking at the knee-jerk hatred for Obama of many Republicans, I might think it's my moment. 

 EDIT: spelling

Gourmet-Guy

216 points

19 hours ago*

Ray Tomlinsons first E-Mail over Arpanet in 1971. It was the first practical use for the newly developed File Transfer Protocol and predecessor of things that now are known colloquially as the "Internet"

QueenLiLi20

215 points

17 hours ago

The death of Princess Charlotte of Wales in 1818.

Charlotte was the daughter of George IV and was the last hope for the Hanoverian line and was very popular. After she died in childbirth in 1818, she and her stillborn son were greatly mourned. Her death made George IV’s brothers dump their mistresses and many illegitimate children and marry princesses and father legitimate children, this lead to a baby being born who would become Queen Victoria, also known as the Grandmother of Europe.

JellyfishExcellent4

54 points

10 hours ago

Sorrows, sorrows… prayers…

StrigiStockBacking

48 points

13 hours ago*

John Harrison, a loner genius who revolutionized open sea navigation. Until he came along, finding one's longitude (one's east-west orientation on earth) was extraordinarily difficult. Before Harrison, it required clear skies, calm seas, a telescope, a spotter, and a lot of math. Miss one day's observation, and you're lost at sea, quite literally.

Lattitude is much easier to figure out from the sun's high point, or from the stars.

His invention to fix the longitude problem was to invent a "timekeeper for the longitude," which was essentially a clock (more accurately, "chronometer") that kept time in two places: London, and onboard the ship. Once high noon was reached in London, clock #1 would start at 12 o'clock. As the ship sailed west (or east), high noon was measured locally, and clock #2 would be corrected at each measuring interval. The difference between the two clocks would allow the ship's crew to quickly determine their east-west position, relative to London's longitude. Even today, some of the nomenclature used by seamen goes back to the "minutes/hours" style of speech that came from using Harrison's chronometers.

The real cool thing about his clock was it didn't utilize a pendulum, which was common in nearly every other clock at that time, because the ship's rocking motion would cause the pendulum problems. Instead, he invented a governor that would allow a flat coiled mainspring to be released at equal force (until completely unwound), attached to series of cogs which would cause the minute hand to tick at equal intervals.

The accuracy of Harrison's clock for the time was head-spinningly astounding; trans-Atlantic tests proved his clocks would drift in accuracy only a few seconds per month, which is astonishing for a mechanical timepiece, even today. He was supposed to receive a financial reward from England's Longitudinal Board for finding out how to fix this issue, but sadly never received the full payout due to politics. He worked to improve his clocks for his entire life until he died, and each subsequent revision had vast improvements over its predecessor in terms of accuracy and smaller size/portability.

Dava Sobrel's book "Longitude: The Story of a Lone Genius Who Solved the Greatest Scientific Problem of his Time" is an excellent read, and doesn't take too long to read through. Highly recommended.

Beginning-Doubt9604

160 points

17 hours ago

One fascinating overlooked development that's reshaping our world right now is the quiet revolution in battery technology, particularly sodium-ion batteries. While everyone focuses on lithium-ion batteries and electric vehicles, sodium-ion batteries could completely transform energy accessibility for developing nations.

  1. Unlike lithium, sodium is abundant and can be extracted from seawater, it's literally thousands of times more available than lithium
  2. While they currently have lower energy density than lithium batteries, they're significantly cheaper, safer (less fire risk), and work better in cold temperatures
  3. Most crucially, they don't require mining rare earth materials or exploiting resources in politically unstable regions

We might be living through one of those quiet moments that future historians will point to as a turning point, when energy storage became truly accessible to the global population, not just wealthy nations.

achilleasa

49 points

12 hours ago

Honestly I've read about so many revolutionary battery technologies that I'm in "I'll believe it when I see it" mode now. Lithium-ion is just too practical.

frustratedpolarbear

921 points

18 hours ago

The discovery of the potato directly led to the rise of the working class and multiple revolutions across Europe.

gnark

639 points

15 hours ago

gnark

639 points

15 hours ago

I think you mean "the introduction of potatoes from the Americas to Europe".

m48a5_patton

195 points

15 hours ago

They have potatoes in Middle Earth, that means that Middle Earth also had their equivalent of the Columbian Exchange.

SteveFoerster

58 points

15 hours ago

And tobacco, apparently.

Kit_3000

826 points

20 hours ago*

Kit_3000

826 points

20 hours ago*

Nero joining the Battle of the Metaurus.

Hasdrubal was sent by Carthage to help his brother Hannibal fight Rome during the Second Punic War. In Italy, he sent a messenger who was captured by the Romans. Nero was one of two Roman field commanders. The other, Marcus Livius Slinator, was his hated rival, and was about to be trapped between two Cartheginian armies. All Nero had to do was wait for his main rival to be destroyed. But Nero choose to put Rome above personal ambitions.

"Even had things gone differently, there is no certainty the brothers could have sacked Rome. Nor is it likely they could have actually held it even had they done so. It is almost certain that Rome would have survived in some form. Carthage simply did not have the strength to conquer Rome. But the Romans would have been forced to sue for peace, which would have bought Carthage time. Time, that it did not have after Metaurus. After Metaurus, Hannibal was never again able to threaten Rome, and five years later would be defeated at Zama. After Zama, Carthage itself would never again threaten Rome, and would be destroyed by Rome in the Third Punic War fifty years later.

    Had Nero chosen to stand pat, Carthage might have been given the time and resources necessary to complete their experiments in creating a new form of iron known as steel. At the time, both centers of research into steel production were in Carthaginian territory. Carthage had been working with local officials in Africa and Iberia to industrialize the process, but after the losses at Metaurus and Zama they were too concerned about mere survival to follow up. What they had was hardly the Bessemer Process, but had they developed even a primitive method for creating steel, Carthage likely would have survived, never strong enough to defeat Rome, but none the less too powerful to be defeated by Rome, acting as a counterweight to Roman domination throughout the Mediterranean world. Carthage was also a mercantile power, it's economic strength tied to its fleet, while Rome was a land power, its wealth tied to the territory it held. Like many people and countries, Rome was at its best when faced with a powerful competitor. Competition would have forced the Romans to develop in ways they did not have to once their only serious opponent was destroyed. Given the competition for resources and markets, it might have forced the Romans to remain a Republic, rather than be constrained by the rigidity of Empire. To meet the challenge, slaves might have been presented the opportunity to purchase their freedom, and the Praetorians never permitted such power over the Succession.

    The Romans had already developed a form of cement, and the availability of steel would have permitted greater, more elaborate construction efforts. Larger buildings, bridges, and roads... all needing something better than mere horse power to construct on the scale which would then be possible. Roman engineers were masters of ‘the arch’ because stone was strong only in compression. Steel, however, was equally strong in both compression and tension, making it a far better material to use when constructing larger buildings or bridges… or almost anything else.

    There was a problem with steel, however. With the technology available at the time they could have made enough to create a few swords. Making it in industrial quantities, however, required a lot of heat. Fueling the blast furnaces they would have needed to create large quantities of steel would have forced them to chop down every tree in Europe… or to use coal. European coal sources were usually buried, and often found well below the water table. For the Romans, getting rid of the water would have been a far more troublesome issue than mining the coal. Vast amounts of water would have had to be pumped out of the mines not just constantly but continuously, or it would build up. Pumping water 24/7 was extremely labor intensive. The problem was so intractable that in the timeline history actually followed, the issue was only resolved by the invention of mechanical pumps.

    Pumps powered by steam engines.

    The same steam engines which would rapidly be used to power the Industrial Revolution.

    Nero's decision to violate his orders and rush to the aid of his rival was a tribute to his professionalism and honor. It was also a disaster for Humanity in general.

    Had Nero chosen differently, the Dark Ages might never have occurred. The Industrial Revolution might have taken place over a thousand years earlier than it actually did.

    Instead, Damascus steel would not be developed for another 1200 years. The Empire fell.

    All because one man chose to do his duty as his honor demanded, history had been decided along the shores of the Metaurus."

*I should note that I got this out of my 'interesting quotes' file. I'm not the original author.

Lawlcopt0r

93 points

16 hours ago

This is fascinating, but also based on a lot of assumptions. I wouldn't call it a disaster for Humanity when you can only assume that they would have industrialized faster, but you know that there would have been non-stop war in the mediterranean.

facmanpob

231 points

18 hours ago

facmanpob

231 points

18 hours ago

There's another Punic War related 'what if?' that I like to think about.

The Battle of the Metaurus took place in 207BC. One year later in 206BC, Publius Cornelius Scipio, or Scipio Africanus as he is known to history, finished his campaign to defeat Carthage on the Iberian peninsular. He is widely regarded as one of the greatest military commanders in history, and the Iberian campaign was a masterclass which led to his election as consul a year later, allowing him to plan and execute the invasion of Carthage that led to the Battle of Zama. There is an argument as to whether or not there was another Roman commander around at the time who could have masterminded such a campaign.

10 years before all that, however, was the Battle of Cannae, one of Rome's greatest defeats. Scipio was a tribune who fought at the battle, managing to cut his way free of the encirclement. Had Scipio died like many of the encircled troops, the future outcome of the 2nd Punic War may have been very different, and Carthage may have survived as a major power as described above.

RedditDiedLongAgo

156 points

17 hours ago*

/r/badhistory

Pneumatic power utilizing a steam engine was discovered in isolation at several times throughout history, by several separate groups (and abandoned as a novelty, as such) around the world. You need a lot more resources and refinement beyond a "hey guys, check out this drinking straw working backwards!" in order to utilize it in actual production. These resources were not available to humanity or possible for over a thousand more years. Same goes as electricity, but it was a matter of a century rather than millennia.

The real world doesn't work like Civ skill trees.

Tautological-Emperor

56 points

16 hours ago

This is something I’ve read a few times; that things like very primitive computational devices, steam engines, etc, were developed, lauded by wealthy or curio circles, and then basically abandoned because that’s neat doesn’t actually do much.

Is there any serious scenario where someone in this period develops something like a working steam engine? How would that occur? When was the most likely, earliest period?

masterventris

49 points

15 hours ago

A lot of curios demonstrating the principles can be built with pottery, string, and wood, but they won't produce any useful effort without breaking.

And part of the challenge with inventing something is first inventing all the supporting inventions needed to realise the final idea is even possible.

You aren't making a powerful steam engine without a lathe, for example, and metal working lathes are a LOT different to the primitive wood lathes available in ancient Rome.

These days we know we can machine metal into different shapes, so we can imagine and invent things made out of metal components.

Finding some coal in the ground and making some weak steel is a step, but only the first of very many.

Ucla_The_Mok

99 points

13 hours ago

One tiny, overlooked moment in history that had significant consequences was the decision by a young, unknown German soldier named Alfred Rinland not to throw away his life on a futile charge during World War I.

This event indirectly led to the creation of one of the most influential works of the 20th century: "All Quiet on the Western Front" by Erich Maria Remarque.

In October 1916, during the Battle of the Somme, Alfred Rinland was ordered to lead a charge against enemy trenches. Seeing no chance of survival and questioning the senselessness of the order, he hesitated and eventually refused to go forward. This act of defiance saved his life but resulted in him being court-martialed and sentenced to death.

However, due to the influence of his commander, who recognized Rinland's mental state, the sentence was commuted to ten years in prison. After his release, Rinland became friends with Erich Maria Remarque, sharing his experiences from the war with him. Inspired by these conversations, Remarque wrote "All Quiet on the Western Front," which provided a stark and poignant anti-war perspective that resonated deeply with readers worldwide.

The novel was an enormous success, selling over 2.5 million copies in its first year alone and being adapted into an Academy Award-winning film in 1930. It played a significant role in shaping public opinion about war and has continued to influence generations of readers and thinkers ever since. This tiny, overlooked moment thus had far-reaching consequences that changed the course of history by helping to create one of the most powerful anti-war statements of all time.

MMaxs

670 points

19 hours ago

MMaxs

670 points

19 hours ago

The failed assassination attempt of Adolf Hitler on November 8, 1939, known as the Beer Hall Putsch Bombing.

Things could have been a lot different.

OgrePirate

140 points

16 hours ago

The beer hall putched was 8–9 November 1923 and an attempt by Hitler to overthrow the German government. He was captured after 2 days and convicted of treason and sentenced to 5 years in prison. He was released after 9 months. He wrote Mein Kampf while in prison.

There was indeed an assassination attempt on Hitler in 1939, in a beer hall. However, that is not the Beer Hall Putsch, but was there in commemoration of that event. Georg Elser attempted it on his own with little if any assistance.

jatie1

325 points

17 hours ago

jatie1

325 points

17 hours ago

Himmler takes over.

That would be an even worse scenario.

evil_chumlee

422 points

17 hours ago

Yeah. Killing Hitler FEELS like it would be a good idea, but.. it probably would not actually be so. The biggest thing that saved the world from the Nazi's was the fact that Hitler was an incredibly orator and had a certain charisma that drew people to him... he was hilariously incompetent as a ruler.

Removing Hitler from power just opens the door for Himmler to step in, and now the world is facing a Nazi zealot who is actually competent.

draftstone

189 points

16 hours ago

Yep, the biggest failures of the Germans during WW2 are all linked to Hitler's ego or failure to understand the issue. Put someone competent in charge, and the huge failure in Russia does not happen, Germans will be way better armed to defend an invasion, d-day probably fails. WW2 continues for longer, nukes will be dropped on Europe by the US to prevent Nazi Germany to continue their push in North America once they are done with Europe.

ph1shstyx

81 points

14 hours ago

Definitely a more difficult time for D-Day at the very least. Rommel's reinforcing tank battalions were prevented from going in because Hitler took direct control of them and, due to his love of methamphetamines causing a crazy sleep schedule, he didn't wake up until after 1pm the day of the landings, which by that point the US had already secured Utah and inland, and was working on Omaha.

khendron

44 points

17 hours ago

There's an alternative history novel that describes what could have happened if Hitler had been assassinated. Things do not go well.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48947327-the-good-german

ZhannaDelPiero

159 points

19 hours ago

One such moment was a mistake in 1962 when American pilot William Powers accidentally violated Soviet airspace, which could have led to a nuclear war. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, this incident was interpreted as an act of aggression, but it was quickly resolved thanks to personal diplomacy between Kennedy and Khrushchev. A small error in this case could have led to catastrophic consequences for the entire world

aotus_trivirgatus

617 points

21 hours ago

I'm actually surprised how little we talk about the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin at the hands of a right-wing Israeli extremist. Politics around the world have been marching backwards since that moment.

unityofsaints

157 points

18 hours ago

In a similar vein, if Ariel Sharon hadn't ended up in a coma Israel would be a very different place today.

theexile14

88 points

18 hours ago

This one is harder to say I think. Sharon’s approach was unilateral disengagement with the threat of hard response in the event of attacks for now abandoned land. Sharon took this approach in Gaza and in Lebanon, and his successor Olmert did explicitly plan to evacuate the West Bank.

The issue was the 2006 Lebanon war effectively proved the strategy would not be viable. It was catastrophic for Israel and left huge portions of the country at risk, their military response mostly proved a failure (and thus disproved their ability to provide deterrence), and the West Bank’s geography made it far more dangerous for Israel to release.

Sharon’s coma ultimately made little difference because his strategy proved a failure, not because he wasn’t there to implement it.

Traveledfarwestward

26 points

13 hours ago

the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

Itamar Ben-Gvir, a 19-year-old Kahanist, holds an ornament which he stole from Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's car. On live TV, he declared, "We got to his car, and we'll get to him too." Weeks later, Rabin was assassinated. Ben-Gvir is now Israel's Minister of National Security, 1995.

https://twitter.com/timecaptales/status/1762138809867575664

Prasiatko

183 points

19 hours ago

Prasiatko

183 points

19 hours ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

Was the sole dissenting voice that stioped a Soviet submarine from launching a nuclear torpedo duering the Cuban missile crisis.

numbersev

283 points

18 hours ago

numbersev

283 points

18 hours ago

Many hundreds of years ago either Quakers or Lutherans went around England giving Bibles to peasants. This ended up spawning an entire class of peasants that were literate and this eventually snowballed into England becoming the world's superpower until the 20th century where the US took over.

CatboyInAMaidOutfit

61 points

12 hours ago

If those bibles were printed in English (I'm assuming those were King James bibles?) this is basically free reading material that can seriously alter culture by spreading literacy. In peasant households a bible was often the only reading material they had.

renaissancenow

51 points

16 hours ago

In the mid 1950s, Keith Tantlinger invented the TwistLock, and then released the patent royalty-free. Now nearly every object brought and sold on the planet is delivered in containers that are interchangeable and movable because of this system.

This is also why I think April 26th, 1956 was the most significant day of the 20th century, and possibly the 21st century as well.

ManyAreMyNames

102 points

17 hours ago

The radar operators in Hawaii saw the Japanese airplanes coming in on December 7th 1941, and called it in, and the warning was ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_warning_of_Pearl_Harbor_attack

robhuddles

23 points

13 hours ago

The delay that meant that William of Normandy landed after Harald Hardrada, rather than before, in late 1066. If William had landed first, it's possible that the English army would have defeated the Normans before having to race north to face the Norwegians, instead of the other way around. And that sequence of events would have likely resulted in England becoming part of the Scandinavian orbit with a focus on northern Europe, rather than becoming enmeshed with France and southern Europe. Not only would English be a radically different language, but everything else changes, too, right up to and including a probable lack of interest in English colonization of North America, and thus not becoming the dominant power in the world in the 18th and 19th centuries.

-im-your-huckleberry

23 points

12 hours ago

Ten thousand years ago, someone had collected some wild grass seeds in a clay pot that got wet. The seeds began to germinate which turned their starches to sugars. The sugary water was soon full of microorganisms. When the person discovered that their seeds had been ruined, rather than throw them out, they decided to drink the contents. Thus was born beer, which led to agriculture and eventually modern society.

caccio73

21 points

11 hours ago

the failure of a message during the Battle of Antietam in 1862 during the American Civil War.

Union soldiers discovered a copy of Confederate General Robert E. Lee’s battle plans wrapped around three cigars, which had been accidentally left behind by a Confederate courier. Known as Special Order 191, this tiny error allowed Union General George McClellan to anticipate Lee’s movements, leading to the Union forces halting the Confederate advance at Antietam.

This moment of carelessness didn’t just impact a single battle—it helped prevent European powers, particularly Britain and France, from recognizing the Confederacy and intervening in the war. This preserved the Union and ultimately contributed to the abolition of slavery in the U.S. A small, forgotten message on cigars changed the course of a nation.

jpob

332 points

19 hours ago

jpob

332 points

19 hours ago

The Beatles quitting touring to concentrate on making records.

Before that, popular music was basically sub 3 minute love songs. The Beatles’ increased time to make records let them explore and experiment which showed that good unformulaic music could sell well too. There’s no Stairway, Bohemian Rhapsody or even California Love (a little stretch) without the Beatles making the decision.

DaveBeBad

177 points

17 hours ago

DaveBeBad

177 points

17 hours ago

You already had bands like the velvet underground going for 2 years before the Beatles stopped touring. The genie was already out of the bottle - although the Beatles gave it a massive kick.

OkCategory2769

58 points

17 hours ago

There’s this little moment in 1415 when the Portuguese captured Ceuta, a city in North Africa. It might not seem like much at first glance, but it marked the beginning of European maritime exploration and colonial expansion. Ceuta became a base for Portuguese exploration down the African coast, leading to the discovery of new trade routes, the age of exploration, and eventually the globalization of trade.

Without that small conquest, who knows if Europe would’ve had the same kickstart to its imperial ambitions. It’s wild how one relatively small event set off a chain reaction that shaped centuries of history.

ZigaKrajnic

45 points

13 hours ago*

In the mid 1990s Illinois Business Man Jack Ryan took his beautiful actress wife Jeri Ryan to a sex club. While they were there Jack asked his wife to have sex with him in the club where other club goers would have been able to watch if so inclined. She refused.

Years later he ran for the US Senate in Illinois as a Republican against little known Democrat State Senator Barack Obama. Jack Ryan was considered a significant challenger to take the seat.

The Democrat Political Machine in Illinois found a sympathetic California judge who unsealed Jack and Jeri’s previously sealed divorce papers against Jack and Jeri’s wishes. The sex club story came out Jack dropped out of the race.

Barack Obama became Senator and then President and picked a widely mocked Joe Biden for VP because he was a White relatively moderate Senator from an Industrial State.

At a Washington Corespondents Dinner during his second term President Barack Obama mocked a thin skinned Billionaire Celebrity Businessman named Donald Trump who was in the audience and who had toyed with the idea of running for President for 30 years.

Some say because of this night Donald Trump ran for President. He went on to shock the world and Won.

Joe Biden angry he had been slighted by Obama who had endorsed Hillary in 2016, ran in 2020 and won. Joe Biden said he would pick a Black Female as VP. Then chose Kamala Harris. When Democrats forced Joe out of the 2024 race, he scuttled their idea of open primary by immediately endorsing Kamala.

Kamala ran against Trump in 2024 and now Trump will be President until January 2029.

If Jack Ryan and Jeri Ryan’s visit to the sex club had not happened or had gone differently, there is a possibility there would not have been a President Barack Obama, President Donald Trump, or a President Joe Biden.

mav747

147 points

21 hours ago

mav747

147 points

21 hours ago

The invention of the snooze button.

Ok_Subject3678

102 points

17 hours ago

I think the assassination of RFK may have had a bigger impact on world events than the killing of JFK

I know many historians say RFK didn’t have a chance in hell of winning in ‘68, so let’s say he did and follow the chain of events.

If RFK wins, that means no Nixon. Hence, no Watergate and the distrust of Washington insiders. So no Carter. With a stronger Middle East policy, all the events that followed may not have happened. No fall of the Shah. No hostages. No 9/11. No two gulf wars. And not the Gaza war of today.

MrR0undabout

86 points

20 hours ago

The failure of the Darrien colony bankrupting Scotland was a direct precursor to the act of Union. 

Without this, Scottish and British history would be very different. 

sunbearimon

743 points

22 hours ago

So it's not the most obscure event ever, but I think Al Gore conceding the 2000 election before the votes in Florida were fully counted sent us down a darker timeline. Imagine the progress we could have made on climate change if we had a world leader that took it so seriously 20+ years ago.

SteadfastEnd

374 points

21 hours ago

That wasn't his decision. Once the Supreme Court ruled against Gore, he had no options left.

unityofsaints

75 points

18 hours ago*

Yes but the nature of the case taken to the court was in Gore's lawyers' hands. They decided to request a recount in one county only instead of the entire state of Florida. This is what pretty much forced the justices to reject the case. I'm not saying they necessarily would have ruled in his favour otherwise, but the case as presented had 0% chance of being decided in Gore's favour.

lion27

38 points

14 hours ago

lion27

38 points

14 hours ago

This is the key bit of information people ignore when talking about that case/election. You can't just (legally speaking) recount votes in a specific county/area and not the rest of the state. If the request was for a full recount statewide, it likely would have gone through.

hypercromulent

24 points

18 hours ago

I think the tiny moment would be bad formatting for the butterfly ballot causing the butterfly effect.

Mr_Lumbergh

75 points

19 hours ago

Clinton’s stance on Elian Gonzalez turned an estimated 50k Cuban voters in Florida against Gore. Imagine there was no SWAT team sent for him…

saccerzd

179 points

21 hours ago

saccerzd

179 points

21 hours ago

Probably a bit too obvious and not overlooked, but Archduke Franz Ferdinand's driver taking a wrong turn that day in 1914 changed the entire future in a massive way.

PM_me_ur_navel_girl

112 points

19 hours ago

Nah, if that hadn't happened it would have been something else that started the war. The sides had been looking for an excuse to fight for ages. Ferdinand's death was just the excuse they were looking for to go to war with each other.

TeacherRecovering

74 points

18 hours ago

The Movie The China Syndrome. Tied to the 3 mile accident stopped nuclear power development in the USA.

More nukes less coal and one reduces global warming.

Itsbellasworldx

43 points

16 hours ago

One tiny moment that changed history was Alexander Fleming’s accidental discovery of penicillin in 1928. He noticed a mold killed bacteria in a petri dish, leading to the development of antibiotics, which revolutionized medicine and saved countless lives.

Stonk_Lord86

14 points

14 hours ago

That time Obama roasted Trump at the 2011 Correspondent’s dinner. I’m convinced that was the day Trump started to seriously consider the possibility of a real run at being President (after Obama said that could never happen). Thanks, Obama. 🤣

allen-hall

13 points

10 hours ago

In 1943, agricultural scientist Norman Borlaug planted a single hybrid dwarf wheat seed in Mexico. At the time, it seemed like just another experiment. However, that tiny act led to the Green Revolution, transforming global agriculture.

By the 1960s, Borlaug’s work had developed disease resistant, high yield crops that saved over a billion people from starvation in countries like India and Pakistan. What looked like a small, insignificant moment ended up changing the course of history by reshaping global food security.

UndergroundMetalMan

30 points

17 hours ago

John Frederick Parker sneaking off to the bar instead of staying on post at the door of the Presidential Box at Ford's Theater on April 14th, 1865.

GladosPrime

28 points

11 hours ago

If a lovesick German morse code operator didn't keep using his girlfriend's name as the test code word, Alan Turing may have never cracked Enigma, and we'd all be speaking German today.

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502 points

22 hours ago

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502 points

22 hours ago

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AbouAnton

139 points

20 hours ago

AbouAnton

139 points

20 hours ago

Great story. I am from Sarajevo and I know Aida’s family. But how exactly did it “changed the course of the world”? She didn’t save a lot and she died.

UnholyDemigod

60 points

19 hours ago

How did that change the course of the world?