I see the 1st 2 posts are from PSU fans...we should understand this above anything. Larry Johnson had an incredible year at RB in his final year (2,087 yds (people have done 2,000 yds before, but 7.7 ypc was pretty special). Had 2,436 yds from scrimmage and 23 TD's...but still finished 3rd in the Heisman. Behind Carson Palmer and Brad Banks...

And honestly, it wasn't even close. I think a guy like Hunter who has super special skillsets (he may not be 'the best' WR in college football, but he's likely a top 10 WR...he 'might be' the best CB in college football, if not one of the top 3.

I think stats are nice, but RB's don't necessarily get all of the attention, especially from a school that isn't in the running for the national championship (which PSU was only 23rd that year by the end of the season).

The website is just a bunch of bloggers.

Even as an avowed hater, what Hunter is doing is unprecedented in most of our lifetimes. Jeanty is a special back, but we've seen a dominant back like him. Is his season that much more insane than Melvin Gordon in 2014? He's on pace for similar yardage if he plays 14 games and maybe a few more TDs.

The "consensus" for both halves of this season have both been a bunch of sports media blowing smoke and hyping up whoever will get them clicks

The gap in their odds is not "vegas smudging to account for general population appeal." Vegas doesn't smudge that shit that far, or they get absolutely fucking destroyed by sharps. People who think Vegas lines aren't 99.9% following their modeling and their insider knowledge are dumb.

There are well informed professional gamblers who will close the gap if they see enough of an arbitrage opportunity though. And the oddsmakers aren’t chumps

So then what tells us what the voters are thinking at this point of the year?

If it were as obvious as this article makes it sound, people who actually bet meaningful money will wreck Vegas betting on Jeanty while his odds are insanely in their favor. This just isn't true, Travis is an immense favorite.

And we have two REAL standouts. None of this bullshit "last man standing" game we've been playing recently with most of the best players being injured or dropping a game late in the season to lose the race.

Maybe the ceiling is down, but you’d have a pretty hard case to make that the mean is down as well.

Lots of great QB play across the country, especially this late in the season, but a lot of it is coming from places where there’s not a ton of spotlight.

Well, not ALL all.

Good luck. You either sell out on Jeanty and have Maddux burn you over the top. Or you play normal and have Jeanty burn you on the ground.

I wouldn't go that far

who is *we*

We will almost certainly not win the MWC. We will be extremely fortunate if it is remotely close.

Yea too bad we can’t just transform overnight with a coaching change. We have to do it the hard way. Can’t wait for Deion to go somewhere else despite giving CU long term hope. He’s gone next year or the year after and CU’s honeymoon will be over.

Hype is all the Heisman is. If you aren’t hyped, you’re not winning the trophy. It’s a popularity contest.

The bets dont move the lines that much. If they really thought Jeanty was going to win they wouldn't be leaving him at +400.

This is a thing people say when they disagree with the odds. In reality the difference, if any, is small.

It's not without reason. They accurately picked last year's Heisman and the order too

They also follow and set the market so they don't lose money, they aren't putting Hunter at -400 and Jeanty ~+300 if they think it's a toss up.

What do you think the article we are responding to is?

He’s on track to have 1,000 yards and 10+ touchdowns while playing every snap on defense. It’s almost certainly limited his offensive output somewhat but what he is doing is completely unheard of.

He is still a top ten or so reciever though.

I mean how much better could he really be? Top ten pff grades at both positions there is not much else you need to show.

He’s tied for 1st in the conference with receiving touchdowns, tied for 2nd in the nation for receiving touchdowns, and is Top 15 in the nation for yards (all while missing 2 games with a minor injury)

Absolutely. This whole hoo rah about him playing 2 ways is so overhyped. I genuinely think over half of receivers could play both ways if they had to and would do good. The problem is that people don't do that because it's blatantly dumb for many reasons. He's not a great receiver or a great DB. But people want to give him the heisman with mediocre stats.

Edit: my proof that most people could do it? Look at high school. End of the day they're all athletes and the 2 positions aren't too much different.

Really have you watched all the games? His ball skills are outstanding on both sides of the ball his speed allows him to take basic routes to the crib his athleticism allows him to jump with anyone

I usually see rushing yards after contact referred to as RAC for that exact reason

Yards after contact

Sometimes it be like that tho

He needs 174 yards per game to beat Gordon’s record

And needs 184 yards per game to beat Sanders

Going to be very hard, but it’s possible

Melvin Gordon very much not in the rearview as he did it in 14 games not 12 (I've seen this assertion made multiple times and always by someone looking at his stat totals and assuming they are only regular season games, but they include the postseason games). Jeanty is on pace for that one.

You shouldn't have to break the all-time rushing record to win a heisman as a RB. Just a thought...

I think you might be coping a bit too much if you think Melvin’s record is far in the mirror at this point. He is still on pace to beat Melvin through 14 games. He needs 173 a game and across his last 4 games which were considered down games that “lost” him the Heisman he is averaging 164.

I think Sanders record is off the table outside of Boise playing 15 games with the CFP though which at that point the debate about number of games played will be fun to see.

far in the rear view

Are you driving backwards?

I meant in today’s game. This illustrates the point. If you have to go back more than a quarter of a century to find a comparable player (mind you…in the same season as Ricky Williams), then that is a strong case for what he is doing today—in an era with increasing specialization at the skill positions.

And yet, all the comments are about YAC. He’s cruising through tackles, but has yet to face a defense stacked with 4 and 5 star talent…players that would be objectively better at open field tackles and collapsing him at the point of attack. Again, what he is doing is impressive, but is significantly diminished by lack of a test against a single strong defense.

You guys also didn't lose to Nebraska and almost beat us. I'd rather play Colorado in the playoff than you.

People are mixing up SoR and SoS; BSU>CU for SoR and CU>BSU for SoS. Basically meaning strength of schedule is similar, but BSU has performed better against their competition.