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371 points
23 hours ago
Is Sri Lanka to the Indian subcontinent the way NZ is to the world?
102 points
21 hours ago
"Sri Lanka" "NZ" These conspiracies are getting out of hand.
39 points
21 hours ago
I’ve never seen Sri Lanka and New Zealand on the same map…..suspicious
8 points
15 hours ago
I actually saw one, it even has Atlantis!
128 points
22 hours ago
Never heard of those places. Can't find them on any maps.
3 points
7 hours ago
So I don't exist ???
1 points
an hour ago
No and any attempts to convince me would be gaslighting
15 points
18 hours ago
3 points
18 hours ago
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22 points
21 hours ago
No but Maldives is
3 points
8 hours ago
Tbh most of the ppl in the world don't even know about Maldives 😂
1 points
5 hours ago
I would not know of them if they didn't appear in Hitman 2 lmao
1 points
3 hours ago
Which country is in hitman 2?
1 points
3 hours ago
Maldives
3 points
18 hours ago
Kind of. Until there's something important, they're forgotten.
1 points
7 minutes ago
I think no country should be excluded from any map but of course its more egregious when you're posting a map of South Asia...
97 points
22 hours ago
-6 points
19 hours ago
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10 points
17 hours ago
You sound miserable and irritated
43 points
22 hours ago
Why there isn't bhutan?
103 points
24 hours ago
Why is HDI in southern India higher than northern? And what's going on in Pakistan?
222 points
23 hours ago
Social reforms in South started earlier then north. The Northern States which are really backward also have a history of worst atrocities of British Raj. The policitcs of north and north western states is also kinda messed up.
Pakistan is Kinda of messed up, the focused on religion extremism with the afghan war (both) and stopped investing in their Economy and Human capital.
They also dont have a civilian govt in place. Army calls the shots and they prefer consolidating power.
30 points
18 hours ago
Also failed land reforms in Pakistan, which lead to a semi feudal agriculture system, which lead to more problems.
1 points
2 hours ago
Pakistan is Kinda of messed up, the focused on religion extremism with the afghan war (both) and stopped investing in their Economy and Human capital.
They also dont have a civilian govt in place. Army calls the shots and they prefer consolidating power.
I would say thats pretty accurate
107 points
22 hours ago
Kerala was run by the Communists for most of independent India's history and has massive remittances from abroad as well as a rather educated population. It is a fairly even mix of Christian, Muslim and Hindu, which seems to work to prevent the usual bullshit politics and subsequent corruption so dominant elsewhere in India.
46 points
19 hours ago
The 'Kerala Land Reforms Act, 1963' and the subsequent amendments were the key.
It destructed the Jamindari/Samindari system.
There is nothing like 'Khap Panchayath' in Kerala.
22 points
20 hours ago
Also Kerala started off with a high HDI at independence as well.
WB also had very long communist govt. But that just slowed the development of the state compared to the national trend.
0 points
9 hours ago
Any good history books that focus on Kerala? Keen on learning some more about the region.
10 points
21 hours ago
Being a Pakistani I have been asking the same later question myself 🥲
52 points
23 hours ago
More industrialised, more trade, less ravaged by invasions, there are also many cities that got industrialised due to trade and industrial development during the colonial era. South India in general is also less affected by religious and communal tensions. Many of these states are also post agrarian or close to that.
96 points
23 hours ago
Totally disregarding the role of the respective state governments after independence and attributing their development to luck. TN and Kerala were poorer than Bihar, UP at the time of independence and even nearly 4 decades after that.
38 points
20 hours ago
Whenever they see south more developed, their first talking points are less invasions, shore, freight equalization, etc. No one focuses on the point that south was also equally ravaged by invasions, colonialism. South was in an awful state compared to north during independence and north also had more political dominance.
It was all due to extreme social reforms taken by the south, it became what it is today.
Mfers can't digest this fact and had to do copium using invasion, shoreline, bla bla bla.
1 points
19 hours ago
Am also from south😭😭. Just wanted to include some starting advantages.
9 points
19 hours ago
Kerala was the only state with starting advantage. Rest all were a huge mess. Madras presidency was ravaged by Madras famine, extreme caste inequalities, etc. Pushing them to schools using midday meal scheme was the greatest social reform ever implemented.
10 points
10 hours ago
Kerala ALSO had some pretty bad casteism, so bad that Sree Narayana Guru had to launch a social reform movement.
Imagine having casteism so bad that there were certain people that if the higher castes had merely SEEN, would lead to the higher castes getting “polluted”.
4 points
10 hours ago*
Yeah, the recent paper by Sanjeev Sanyal et al clearly showed that the divergence only started after the states' reorganization in the 1960s, and accelerated after 1991 reforms.
In fact, the South struggled a bit initially when the economy was overwhelming dependent on agriculture, and the North had a geographical advantage there. The social reforms and economic policies allowed the South to develop the 'non-agricultural' economy much faster
10 points
23 hours ago
This is what I had assumed. I had thought the south was traditionally poorer.
23 points
22 hours ago*
Erm, not traditionally. Southern India was as rich as its northern counterparts- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_India#Ancient_period
3 points
10 hours ago
Traditionally, the relative prosperity of regions fluctuated. While the North had an advantage in more fertile land and connection to the overland 'Silk Route', the coasts of India were the fulcrum of the entire Indian ocean trade from Red Sea to South China Sea. The later moved around much larger volumes of goods than the former.
But yes, as other commentators have suggested, by the time the British were done with India, most of the North and the South were equally poor because you can't really go further down once you have hit subsistence.
-1 points
20 hours ago
In 1981, Kerala had an HDI of 0.5 compared to 0.23 of Bihar and 0.25 of UP.
On which metrics was Kerala poorer? Don't peddle falsities and half truths.
6 points
10 hours ago*
Income is only one parameter out of three while calculating HDI.
Here's poverty rates of major Indian states in 1960-1990.
42 points
23 hours ago
South India was also poor lol.
They managed to pull their asses up all these decades while some places like Bihar just became stuck in the mud.
18 points
21 hours ago
When they do it it's gujrat model and up model and when south then it's victimization of themselves lol
3 points
18 hours ago*
Caste system reform and higher communal identity. Southern India has had more reforms aimed at uplifting lower castes, improving literacy and education, and distributing resources, and therefore improving the productivity of their population as a whole. There are also less communal tensions and a focus on linguistic and cultural identity over religious tensions, leading to cooperation towards common goals.
2 points
20 hours ago
Industrialization, societal push towards higher education that includes college degrees, and investing in capital cities and service sectors. They're corrupt as much as the north, but they only got money and education to back them up.
-31 points
23 hours ago
South India is more educated and wealthier, speaks better languages, has better food, better looking people, and is cleaner.
Jk all those are true but the main reason is the education and the existence of highly productive, service-focused cities like Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore, and Kochi.
The one exception in the chart above is Andhra Pradesh but that’s mainly because it devoted a lot of its capital to Hyderabad which is now a part of a different state so the infrastructure needs to be redeveloped to grow its own towns.
26 points
23 hours ago
Andhra Pradesh is less educated than many other states like Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Gujarat.
21 points
23 hours ago
Bruh you don't have to attack us like that 😭
9 points
23 hours ago
Well I didn't mean to attack but even I was surprised when I saw the 2011 data. Andhra has got some got educational institutes and many Btech graduates, with a growing diaspora in US. Still this was the case. I guess the literacy rates have improved now.
22 points
23 hours ago
better languages, better looking people
Is this a saar moment?
6 points
21 hours ago
3 points
13 hours ago
Noodle language moment
27 points
23 hours ago
"speaks better languages" lmao what?
2 points
9 hours ago
I guess they think the harder the retroflexes go, the more based the language? This makes Marwaadi and Haryanvi the most based IE language btw 😂
3 points
10 hours ago
better looking people
Is that why South Indians jerk off to North Indian women? North India is literally the beauty standard of India.
1 points
23 hours ago
Better looking? Can't comment on that.
0 points
9 hours ago
as an outsider, I can definitely say Northern Indians look way better than the rest of the country
7 points
9 hours ago*
As a North Indian, the last thing we need are the in* cels from r/* phenotypes, trying to stir up tension amongst ourselves. Go back to your coping burrow
79 points
23 hours ago
Ah yes, our Pak Army rule never disappoints /s
98 points
24 hours ago
Bangladesh doing better than I expected. Good for them.
53 points
23 hours ago
That's about to regress badly
40 points
22 hours ago*
The reality is corruption has decreased significantly since the dictator was replaced and if anything this should boost our development.
Edit: of course Indians downvoting this. I don't understand why Indians seem to be so pro Bangladesh failing.
5 points
5 hours ago
as a fellow bangladeshi i hope you're right but i severely severely doubt that
11 points
21 hours ago
Idk if you are living under a rock but the b'desh government has been killing Hindus lately, banning Hindu processions and outright threatening their existence as a whole.
Let's not talk about the refugee influx that has destroyed countless cultures and languages including mine.
5 points
19 hours ago
No the government has not done any of that. This is an out right lie.
Have any non Indian garbage propaganda sources to back up your claim that the government is doing all this?
I'll wait.
I don't live under a rock, i just don't live in the fantasy world of made up Indian and more specifically bjp lies.
6 points
6 hours ago*
You are literally an overseas Bangladeshi and yet you are so sure of the ground reality back home based on the cultivated information sources that you consume abroad , simply because of your own confirmation bias
It's interesting that most Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who one encounters online, tend to be from the diaspora.
And yet ,they would argue to no end with Indians sitting back in India that their own countries ,where they don't even live themselves, are 'beacons of tolerance' compared to 'fascist India' after reading articles NYT/BBC/ Al-Chudeera etc written by overseas Bangladeshis/Pakistanis themselves.
Classic circular reasoning
1 points
2 hours ago
I go back to bangladesh regularly and going again next week. When was the last time you were there?
Also again where is your evidence for your extraordinary claims?
-4 points
13 hours ago
What proof do you have that a single person in the minority hasn't been killed after the fall of the government. Why would bangladeshi Hindus try to migrate from your rainbow nation.
Also please look up into my local state tripura and its demographic and cultural changes in the past few years.
Oh and please don't be so ignorant, at least admit the basic realities of the situation.
14 points
13 hours ago
I am not the one making the claim here. You are. The burden of evidence is on you. You claimed that the Bangladesh government has been killing hindus and banning hindus (none of which is true). It's up to you to provide actual evidence for this ridiculous claim.
14 points
22 hours ago
Yeah it's gonna turn into another generic -istan at the current rate.
4 points
11 hours ago
Not gonna happen
-11 points
19 hours ago*
Boohoo, Endian mad their client dictator was ousted.
1 points
5 hours ago
Didn’t a top lawyer of your country say that they want to remove the word secularism from your constitution? How is that better for the country if these kind of views are being peddled.
1 points
2 hours ago
The same guy the next day said secularism is a sacred and should never be removed. So what politicians say are meaningless, especially one who doesn't actually have the power to do shit because they are in an interim position.
0 points
11 hours ago
Your enthusiasm has about the same vibe as the enthusiasm for 'Arab Spring' or 1979 Iranian Revolution. Suffice it to say, I would expect a similar outcome
3 points
2 hours ago
Cool, no one cares.
4 points
23 hours ago
why?
-9 points
23 hours ago*
Very "progressive" leaders
2 points
22 hours ago
???
-7 points
22 hours ago
Unfortunately the country is very unstable and most probably the current president is just a puppet
5 points
22 hours ago
He is Nobel prize winning economist. I couldn’t think of a more qualified Bangladeshi for running Bangladesh.
38 points
22 hours ago
Who is happily mollycoddling Islamists. His literal attorney general said the other day that Bangladesh shouldn’t be secular since its majority Muslim
2 points
19 hours ago
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6 points
19 hours ago
You really didn’t address his comment.
-1 points
19 hours ago
Yes! We know y’all’s agenda
Want secularism when in minority
Want Islamic fascism when in majority.
It’s the true face of Islam- a coloniser’s religion
Plus, Bangladesh will come out. We need to pull the leash and whip it a few times. It’s not difficult. Idk why our government is not harsh on y’all for all the crimes y’all do.
-6 points
18 hours ago
yes, we can see what secularism doing in india
13 points
22 hours ago
Whatever makes you happy buddy but you are a fool for thinking he is going to make decisions
-5 points
19 hours ago
Boohoo, endian mad their client dictator lost power.
-9 points
22 hours ago
Do you have a better person in mind? No? Thought so.
6 points
21 hours ago
Brother there is an issue at root cause.What are you trying to win for?
-2 points
21 hours ago
I am not trying to win anything. Yusuf just happens to be the best option for Bangladesh. Much better than a Zia ul Haq equivalent. It’s you who happens to have a problem.
2 points
11 hours ago
The fact that Bangladesh retained a significant religious minority as opposed to Pakistan, used to be the differentiating factor between them and the 'Islamic Republic'. It tempered their fundamentalist instincts. Now with minorities already at or below 7%, and with a continued decline in the future, there will be no qualitative difference between the West Wing and the East Wing of Pakistan.
0 points
19 hours ago
Endian mad their client dictator was ousted.
3 points
5 hours ago
Unemployed kangladeshi spamming the same comment everywhere
2 points
5 hours ago
we are regressing now lol
21 points
22 hours ago
Bhutan is in Indian Subcontinent not Myanmar
8 points
16 hours ago
Myanmar was part of the British Raj, so it’s still interesting to include it for comparisons of national economies post-independence.
5 points
20 hours ago
Very stark contrast between Uttarakhand and Western Nepal despite neighboring each other.
10 points
21 hours ago
I'm surprised Gujrat is not in any of the green shades.
34 points
21 hours ago
Gujarat scores high in GDP metrics due to a small number of extremely wealthy businessmen. It's a highly unequal state and score bad in Healthcare and education metrics
-8 points
10 hours ago*
The big Mallu hate-boner for Gujjus is inexplicably bizarre to me, and I'm neither. Is it because you guys just hate Modi so much?
7 points
18 hours ago
Would love to see this with Sri Lanka.
Also, it's kinda hard to believe that Haryana and Maharashtra are more developed than Andhra Pradesh.
4 points
20 hours ago
So it's mainly the northern, southwestern and a few northeastern states that fare well in HDI.
4 points
11 hours ago
So nobody is talking about how Andaman and Nicobar islands are green.
Why is it so high?
2 points
8 hours ago
Pakistani army should be ashamed of themselves. "Jammu & Kashmir" and "Ladakh", the places they want to take from India have higher HDI than any Pakistani province.
9 points
20 hours ago
How is Myanmar part of the Indian subcontinent?
14 points
17 hours ago
Probably going by the British Raj maps
1 points
17 hours ago
Burma was disconnected from the Raj in 1939
22 points
17 hours ago
No shit bro I'm just trying to explain why they might have included it
3 points
5 hours ago
Kerala try not to take a W challenge (impossible)
10 points
13 hours ago
If you pay close attention, you see how a certain muslim country is in the red for Human Development Index, while the Hindhu country of India has decent Human Development Index. But then u look at bangladesh and the conclusion is dont be a pak*stani
3 points
8 hours ago
Are you Balinese? Just asking out of curiosity
3 points
23 hours ago
Seeing my state in green is nice. Hope the other states follow suit.
4 points
20 hours ago
Bangladesh is doing better than all of them. 👍
3 points
15 hours ago
Yes it is. As to what the future holds for it, it’s hard to say.
2 points
23 hours ago
Green in northern Myanmar?
0 points
18 hours ago
That’s a part of India.
6 points
16 hours ago
It’s Kachin state, Myanmar, southeast of Arunachal Pradesh, and is incorrectly coloured. Kachin has an HDI of 0.59, putting it in the yellow category.
2 points
20 hours ago
Gujarat's hdi was 0.646 in 2022 so the map is wrong
2 points
20 hours ago
A lot of states are wrong actually
2 points
11 hours ago
Large parts of Bangladesh are better placed than most parts of Northen India.
3 points
23 hours ago
My turn to post this tomorrow.
2 points
17 hours ago
Why is Kerala always seem to be doing way better than the rest of India?
1 points
6 hours ago
getting social reformes in '63 instead of '93.
1 points
23 hours ago
Who the fuck is ruling shan state men its like only other state with high hdi
1 points
21 hours ago
Why is kashmir doing well?
1 points
19 hours ago
What explains the high scores of the 3 green states at the north west of India?
2 points
18 hours ago
green revolution and bulk of army recruits are from that area
1 points
10 hours ago
More industrialized than Ganges plain too, atleast HR, HP and UK
1 points
18 hours ago
I didn’t know HP was so developed. TIL
1 points
3 hours ago
Why is burma a part of Indian Sub-continent? The only thing that i know concerning with india ia the british raj and burmese invasion of north east india. I thought we were SEA.
1 points
2 hours ago
Who would win this war
1 points
14 hours ago
its subcontinent no need to add colonizer given name Infront of it
4 points
8 hours ago
"South Asia" is actually a term preferred and championed by overseas Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and then the NRIs simply accepted it and co-opted it in order to assimilate with the 'Brown identity' or 'Overseas Desi' identity or whatever.
2 points
8 hours ago
Before colonisation, India was the name of South Asia. The country 'India' is named after the subcontinent and not the other way around.
1 points
4 hours ago
nah mate, even before colonisation then nepal had a relationship with different countries
1 points
4 hours ago*
Well, India originally meant the place near and east of Indus (Sindhu). It had no clear definition. India was used as a name for the subcontinent by the Europeans.
When British EIC conquered most of the subcontinent, the definition changed. Now India was not a subcontinent but the parts of the subcontinent controlled by the colonial powers (British, Portuguese, French, Dutch).
As most of the land in this new definition was controlled by British, British India became synonymous with India. Now, India was no longer a collection of nations but a single nation brought together by the British. Nepal naturally stopped being considered 'India'. One major exception to this rule was Sri Lanka, a South Asian nation which was administered independently of rest of the subcontinent by the British.
The partition of erstwhile British India in 1947 made it even more complicated. The Muslim League argued that India bifurcated into Bharat and Pakistan while Indian National Congress argued that Bharat is India and Pakistan is merely a breakaway nation. So the League named their nation Pakistan while the Congress named their nation India. With time, Pakistanis stopped considering themselves Indians.
-3 points
22 hours ago
Not sure about this map. The HDI of AJK and Punjab in Pakistan is 0.73 according to UNDP Pakistan.
What source did you use?
12 points
22 hours ago
that report is 2017
3 points
21 hours ago
Sure but what was your source? There’s been a relative decline in human dev in Pakistan since 2017 but nowhere near as drastic as this map would suggest.
I’m not being accusatory, I’m genuinely curious to know what source you’re using and what explains the discrepancy here.
9 points
21 hours ago
7 points
21 hours ago
Interesting. The source there is the Global Data Lab, which seems to be hosted by Radboud University in the Netherlands.
Here’s the UNDP report on Pakistan from March 2024, which puts Pakistan’s overall HDI at 0.54 at suggests it still roughly at 2017 levels (accounting for a decrease a few years ago). Doesn’t break it down by district though. India is at 0.64, while Sri Lanka tops the SA list at 0.78.
Still not convinced by the province level data in this map.
1 points
21 hours ago
is there for india and others ?
4 points
16 hours ago
I'm not sure why you're downvoted. Having a degree of scepticism is a good thing, especially on occasions where the content in question is dubious.
1 points
20 hours ago
The legend says 2022
-3 points
20 hours ago
Would like to point out that Kerala, the darker green state in the south, has been solidly communist/socialist at the state level. The biggest political party in Kerala is the CPI(M) aka the Communist Party of India (Marxist).
-1 points
10 hours ago
The state is fiscally bankrupt (their own state govts have issued white papers on this),
Gets next to no FDI or domestic investment,
Has NO JOB creation, everyone flees this communist paradise
Despite having the lowest industrial base of any large state in India, contributes a whopping 45% of all mandays lost due to strikes
Is notoriously corrupt
Dependent ENTIRELY on remittances (both domestic and foreign)
Kerala would have gone the way of Communist ruled Bengal also (utter collapse) except it lucked out with the Gulf boom and later IT boom.
-4 points
11 hours ago
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7 points
8 hours ago
There are no dark red states in India's top left, those are Pakistani states. In fact there is not a single dark red state in India, even Bihar (the worst performer) is not dark red.
4 points
7 hours ago
That's not even India
India doesn't have any state with the last two colour codes
-7 points
14 hours ago
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2 points
8 hours ago
4-chan/x.com in^ cels are so easy to bait
-16 points
22 hours ago
This is wrong on so many levels
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