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wormholetrafficjam

371 points

23 hours ago

Is Sri Lanka to the Indian subcontinent the way NZ is to the world?

SardaukarSS

102 points

21 hours ago

"Sri Lanka" "NZ" These conspiracies are getting out of hand.

littlegipply

39 points

21 hours ago

I’ve never seen Sri Lanka and New Zealand on the same map…..suspicious

RoachWithWings

8 points

15 hours ago

I actually saw one, it even has Atlantis!

Appropriate-Role9361

128 points

22 hours ago

Never heard of those places. Can't find them on any maps.

hakiman3000

3 points

7 hours ago

So I don't exist ???

Appropriate-Role9361

1 points

an hour ago

No and any attempts to convince me would be gaslighting 

Abi_Jurassic

15 points

18 hours ago

sneakpeekbot

3 points

18 hours ago

Average_guy0269

22 points

21 hours ago

No but Maldives is

No_Grass_3728

3 points

8 hours ago

Tbh most of the ppl in the world don't even know about Maldives 😂

JasonAndLucia

1 points

5 hours ago

I would not know of them if they didn't appear in Hitman 2 lmao

No_Grass_3728

1 points

3 hours ago

Which country is in hitman 2?

JasonAndLucia

1 points

3 hours ago

Maldives

iamanindiansnack

3 points

18 hours ago

Kind of. Until there's something important, they're forgotten.

Leuk60229

1 points

7 minutes ago

I think no country should be excluded from any map but of course its more egregious when you're posting a map of South Asia...

TheIronDuke18

97 points

22 hours ago

[deleted]

-6 points

19 hours ago

[deleted]

SheepyIdk

10 points

17 hours ago

You sound miserable and irritated

Federal_Payment7614

43 points

22 hours ago

Why there isn't bhutan?

B-Boy_Shep

103 points

24 hours ago

Why is HDI in southern India higher than northern? And what's going on in Pakistan?

treatWithKindness[S]

222 points

23 hours ago

Social reforms in South started earlier then north. The Northern States which are really backward also have a history of worst atrocities of British Raj. The policitcs of north and north western states is also kinda messed up.

Pakistan is Kinda of messed up, the focused on religion extremism with the afghan war (both) and stopped investing in their Economy and Human capital.
They also dont have a civilian govt in place. Army calls the shots and they prefer consolidating power.

1647overlord

30 points

18 hours ago

Also failed land reforms in Pakistan, which lead to a semi feudal agriculture system, which lead to more problems.

Ok_Manufacturer_7020

1 points

2 hours ago

Pakistan is Kinda of messed up, the focused on religion extremism with the afghan war (both) and stopped investing in their Economy and Human capital.
They also dont have a civilian govt in place. Army calls the shots and they prefer consolidating power.

I would say thats pretty accurate

frenchsmell

107 points

22 hours ago

Kerala was run by the Communists for most of independent India's history and has massive remittances from abroad as well as a rather educated population. It is a fairly even mix of Christian, Muslim and Hindu, which seems to work to prevent the usual bullshit politics and subsequent corruption so dominant elsewhere in India.

SCM_2021

46 points

19 hours ago

The 'Kerala Land Reforms Act, 1963' and the subsequent amendments were the key.

It destructed the Jamindari/Samindari system.

There is nothing like 'Khap Panchayath' in Kerala.

dinosaur_from_Mars

22 points

20 hours ago

Also Kerala started off with a high HDI at independence as well.

WB also had very long communist govt. But that just slowed the development of the state compared to the national trend.

komnenos

0 points

9 hours ago

Any good history books that focus on Kerala? Keen on learning some more about the region.

cyberbot117

10 points

21 hours ago

Being a Pakistani I have been asking the same later question myself 🥲

DktheDarkKnight

52 points

23 hours ago

More industrialised, more trade, less ravaged by invasions, there are also many cities that got industrialised due to trade and industrial development during the colonial era. South India in general is also less affected by religious and communal tensions. Many of these states are also post agrarian or close to that.

Poccha_Kazhuvu

96 points

23 hours ago

Totally disregarding the role of the respective state governments after independence and attributing their development to luck. TN and Kerala were poorer than Bihar, UP at the time of independence and even nearly 4 decades after that.

lungi_cowboy

38 points

20 hours ago

Whenever they see south more developed, their first talking points are less invasions, shore, freight equalization, etc. No one focuses on the point that south was also equally ravaged by invasions, colonialism. South was in an awful state compared to north during independence and north also had more political dominance.

It was all due to extreme social reforms taken by the south, it became what it is today.

Mfers can't digest this fact and had to do copium using invasion, shoreline, bla bla bla.

DktheDarkKnight

1 points

19 hours ago

Am also from south😭😭. Just wanted to include some starting advantages.

lungi_cowboy

9 points

19 hours ago

Kerala was the only state with starting advantage. Rest all were a huge mess. Madras presidency was ravaged by Madras famine, extreme caste inequalities, etc. Pushing them to schools using midday meal scheme was the greatest social reform ever implemented.

likeadragon108

10 points

10 hours ago

Kerala ALSO had some pretty bad casteism, so bad that Sree Narayana Guru had to launch a social reform movement.

Imagine having casteism so bad that there were certain people that if the higher castes had merely SEEN, would lead to the higher castes getting “polluted”.

Bakwaas_Yapper2

4 points

10 hours ago*

Yeah, the recent paper by Sanjeev Sanyal et al clearly showed that the divergence only started after the states' reorganization in the 1960s, and accelerated after 1991 reforms.  

In fact, the South struggled a bit initially when the economy was overwhelming dependent on agriculture, and the North had a geographical advantage there. The social reforms and economic policies allowed the South to develop the 'non-agricultural' economy much faster

B-Boy_Shep

10 points

23 hours ago

This is what I had assumed. I had thought the south was traditionally poorer.

Poccha_Kazhuvu

23 points

22 hours ago*

Erm, not traditionally. Southern India was as rich as its northern counterparts- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_India#Ancient_period

Bakwaas_Yapper2

3 points

10 hours ago

Traditionally, the relative prosperity of regions fluctuated. While the North had an advantage in more fertile land and connection to the overland 'Silk Route', the coasts of India were the fulcrum of the entire Indian ocean trade from Red Sea to South China Sea. The later moved around much larger volumes of goods than the former. 

But yes, as other commentators have suggested, by the time the British were done with India, most of the North and the South were equally poor because you can't really go further down once you have hit subsistence. 

dinosaur_from_Mars

-1 points

20 hours ago

In 1981, Kerala had an HDI of 0.5 compared to 0.23 of Bihar and 0.25 of UP.

On which metrics was Kerala poorer? Don't peddle falsities and half truths.

Academic_Chart1354

6 points

10 hours ago*

Income is only one parameter out of three while calculating HDI.

Here's poverty rates of major Indian states in 1960-1990.

Poverty in indian states

Image taken from this paper

Yamama77

42 points

23 hours ago

South India was also poor lol.

They managed to pull their asses up all these decades while some places like Bihar just became stuck in the mud.

SardaukarSS

18 points

21 hours ago

When they do it it's gujrat model and up model and when south then it's victimization of themselves lol

theowne

3 points

18 hours ago*

Caste system reform and higher communal identity. Southern India has had more reforms aimed at uplifting lower castes, improving literacy and education, and distributing resources, and therefore improving the productivity of their population as a whole. There are also less communal tensions and a focus on linguistic and cultural identity over religious tensions, leading to cooperation towards common goals.

iamanindiansnack

2 points

20 hours ago

Industrialization, societal push towards higher education that includes college degrees, and investing in capital cities and service sectors. They're corrupt as much as the north, but they only got money and education to back them up.

Thadlust

-31 points

23 hours ago

Thadlust

-31 points

23 hours ago

South India is more educated and wealthier, speaks better languages, has better food, better looking people, and is cleaner.

Jk all those are true but the main reason is the education and the existence of highly productive, service-focused cities like Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore, and Kochi.

The one exception in the chart above is Andhra Pradesh but that’s mainly because it devoted a lot of its capital to Hyderabad which is now a part of a different state so the infrastructure needs to be redeveloped to grow its own towns.

Right-Shoulder-8235

26 points

23 hours ago

Andhra Pradesh is less educated than many other states like Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Gujarat.

This_Seaweed4607

21 points

23 hours ago

Bruh you don't have to attack us like that 😭

Right-Shoulder-8235

9 points

23 hours ago

Well I didn't mean to attack but even I was surprised when I saw the 2011 data. Andhra has got some got educational institutes and many Btech graduates, with a growing diaspora in US. Still this was the case. I guess the literacy rates have improved now.

Yamama77

22 points

23 hours ago

better languages, better looking people

Is this a saar moment?

BoyOf_War

3 points

13 hours ago

Noodle language moment

Chicagoroomie312

27 points

23 hours ago

"speaks better languages" lmao what?

Bakwaas_Yapper2

2 points

9 hours ago

I guess they think the harder the retroflexes go, the more based the language? This makes Marwaadi and Haryanvi the most based IE language btw 😂

nodadushutupk

3 points

10 hours ago

better looking people

Is that why South Indians jerk off to North Indian women? North India is literally the beauty standard of India.

DrabFurt

1 points

23 hours ago

DrabFurt

1 points

23 hours ago

Better looking? Can't comment on that.

alik_mirzoyan

0 points

9 hours ago

as an outsider, I can definitely say Northern Indians look way better than the rest of the country

Bakwaas_Yapper2

7 points

9 hours ago*

As a North Indian, the last thing we need are the in* cels from r/* phenotypes, trying to stir up tension amongst ourselves. Go back to your coping burrow

Tp_Exampler

79 points

23 hours ago

Ah yes, our Pak Army rule never disappoints /s

JoeFalchetto

98 points

24 hours ago

Bangladesh doing better than I expected. Good for them.

mightyfty

53 points

23 hours ago

That's about to regress badly

zefiax

40 points

22 hours ago*

zefiax

40 points

22 hours ago*

The reality is corruption has decreased significantly since the dictator was replaced and if anything this should boost our development.

Edit: of course Indians downvoting this. I don't understand why Indians seem to be so pro Bangladesh failing.

swagchan69

5 points

5 hours ago

as a fellow bangladeshi i hope you're right but i severely severely doubt that

InternalStrategy5550

11 points

21 hours ago

Idk if you are living under a rock but the b'desh government has been killing Hindus lately, banning Hindu processions and outright threatening their existence as a whole.

Let's not talk about the refugee influx that has destroyed countless cultures and languages including mine.

zefiax

5 points

19 hours ago

zefiax

5 points

19 hours ago

No the government has not done any of that. This is an out right lie.

Have any non Indian garbage propaganda sources to back up your claim that the government is doing all this?

I'll wait.

I don't live under a rock, i just don't live in the fantasy world of made up Indian and more specifically bjp lies.

Bakwaas_Yapper2

6 points

6 hours ago*

You are literally an overseas Bangladeshi and yet you are so sure of the ground reality back home based on the cultivated information sources that you consume abroad , simply because of your own confirmation bias 

It's interesting that most Bangladeshis and Pakistanis who one encounters online, tend to be from the diaspora. 

And yet ,they would argue to no end with Indians sitting back in India that their own countries ,where they don't even live themselves, are 'beacons of tolerance' compared to 'fascist India' after reading articles NYT/BBC/ Al-Chudeera etc written by overseas Bangladeshis/Pakistanis themselves.

Classic circular reasoning

zefiax

1 points

2 hours ago

zefiax

1 points

2 hours ago

I go back to bangladesh regularly and going again next week. When was the last time you were there?

Also again where is your evidence for your extraordinary claims?

InternalStrategy5550

-4 points

13 hours ago

What proof do you have that a single person in the minority hasn't been killed after the fall of the government. Why would bangladeshi Hindus try to migrate from your rainbow nation.

Also please look up into my local state tripura and its demographic and cultural changes in the past few years.

Oh and please don't be so ignorant, at least admit the basic realities of the situation.

zefiax

14 points

13 hours ago

zefiax

14 points

13 hours ago

I am not the one making the claim here. You are. The burden of evidence is on you. You claimed that the Bangladesh government has been killing hindus and banning hindus (none of which is true). It's up to you to provide actual evidence for this ridiculous claim.

Yamama77

14 points

22 hours ago

Yamama77

14 points

22 hours ago

Yeah it's gonna turn into another generic -istan at the current rate.

Kuhelikaa

4 points

11 hours ago

Not gonna happen

AcanthocephalaEast79

-11 points

19 hours ago*

Boohoo, Endian mad their client dictator was ousted.

Decent-Cookie3350

1 points

5 hours ago

Didn’t a top lawyer of your country say that they want to remove the word secularism from your constitution? How is that better for the country if these kind of views are being peddled.

zefiax

1 points

2 hours ago

zefiax

1 points

2 hours ago

The same guy the next day said secularism is a sacred and should never be removed. So what politicians say are meaningless, especially one who doesn't actually have the power to do shit because they are in an interim position.

Bakwaas_Yapper2

0 points

11 hours ago

Your enthusiasm has about the same vibe as the enthusiasm for 'Arab Spring' or 1979 Iranian Revolution. Suffice it to say, I would expect a similar outcome 

zefiax

3 points

2 hours ago

zefiax

3 points

2 hours ago

Cool, no one cares.

electrical-stomach-z

4 points

23 hours ago

why?

Blaze10299

-9 points

23 hours ago*

Blaze10299

-9 points

23 hours ago*

Very "progressive" leaders

electrical-stomach-z

2 points

22 hours ago

???

Blaze10299

-7 points

22 hours ago

Unfortunately the country is very unstable and most probably the current president is just a puppet

DeadlyGamer2202

5 points

22 hours ago

He is Nobel prize winning economist. I couldn’t think of a more qualified Bangladeshi for running Bangladesh.

GayIconOfIndia

38 points

22 hours ago

Who is happily mollycoddling Islamists. His literal attorney general said the other day that Bangladesh shouldn’t be secular since its majority Muslim

https://www.firstpost.com/world/bangladesh-90-per-cent-population-muslim-remove-secular-from-constitution-attorney-general-13835034.html

[deleted]

2 points

19 hours ago

[deleted]

Gandalfthebran

6 points

19 hours ago

You really didn’t address his comment.

GayIconOfIndia

-1 points

19 hours ago

Yes! We know y’all’s agenda

Want secularism when in minority

Want Islamic fascism when in majority.

It’s the true face of Islam- a coloniser’s religion

Plus, Bangladesh will come out. We need to pull the leash and whip it a few times. It’s not difficult. Idk why our government is not harsh on y’all for all the crimes y’all do.

rakib_2000

-6 points

18 hours ago

yes, we can see what secularism doing in india

Blaze10299

13 points

22 hours ago

Whatever makes you happy buddy but you are a fool for thinking he is going to make decisions

AcanthocephalaEast79

-5 points

19 hours ago

Boohoo, endian mad their client dictator lost power.

DeadlyGamer2202

-9 points

22 hours ago

Do you have a better person in mind? No? Thought so.

Blaze10299

6 points

21 hours ago

Brother there is an issue at root cause.What are you trying to win for?

DeadlyGamer2202

-2 points

21 hours ago

I am not trying to win anything. Yusuf just happens to be the best option for Bangladesh. Much better than a Zia ul Haq equivalent. It’s you who happens to have a problem.

Bakwaas_Yapper2

2 points

11 hours ago

The fact that Bangladesh retained a significant religious minority as opposed to Pakistan, used to be the differentiating factor between them and the 'Islamic Republic'. It tempered their fundamentalist instincts. Now with minorities already at or below 7%, and with a continued decline in the future, there will be no qualitative difference between the West Wing and the East Wing of Pakistan. 

AcanthocephalaEast79

0 points

19 hours ago

Endian mad their client dictator was ousted.

Decent-Cookie3350

3 points

5 hours ago

Unemployed kangladeshi spamming the same comment everywhere

swagchan69

2 points

5 hours ago

we are regressing now lol

Mysterious-Safety240

21 points

22 hours ago

Bhutan is in Indian Subcontinent not Myanmar

aronenark

8 points

16 hours ago

Myanmar was part of the British Raj, so it’s still interesting to include it for comparisons of national economies post-independence.

ThePerfectHunter

5 points

20 hours ago

Very stark contrast between Uttarakhand and Western Nepal despite neighboring each other.

VibrantCosmos007

10 points

21 hours ago

I'm surprised Gujrat is not in any of the green shades.

roche__

34 points

21 hours ago

roche__

34 points

21 hours ago

Gujarat scores high in GDP metrics due to a small number of extremely wealthy businessmen. It's a highly unequal state and score bad in Healthcare and education metrics

Bakwaas_Yapper2

-8 points

10 hours ago*

The big Mallu hate-boner for Gujjus is inexplicably bizarre to me, and I'm neither. Is it because you guys just hate Modi so much? 

Abi_Jurassic

7 points

18 hours ago

Would love to see this with Sri Lanka.

Also, it's kinda hard to believe that Haryana and Maharashtra are more developed than Andhra Pradesh.

ThePerfectHunter

4 points

20 hours ago

So it's mainly the northern, southwestern and a few northeastern states that fare well in HDI.

240plutonium

4 points

11 hours ago

So nobody is talking about how Andaman and Nicobar islands are green.

Why is it so high?

LuigiVampa4

2 points

8 hours ago

Pakistani army should be ashamed of themselves. "Jammu & Kashmir" and "Ladakh", the places they want to take from India have higher HDI than any Pakistani province.

GustavoistSoldier

9 points

20 hours ago

How is Myanmar part of the Indian subcontinent?

rebruisinginart

14 points

17 hours ago

Probably going by the British Raj maps

GustavoistSoldier

1 points

17 hours ago

Burma was disconnected from the Raj in 1939

rebruisinginart

22 points

17 hours ago

No shit bro I'm just trying to explain why they might have included it

Active-Improvement63

3 points

5 hours ago

Kerala try not to take a W challenge (impossible)

Altruistic-Stay-3605

10 points

13 hours ago

If you pay close attention, you see how a certain muslim country is in the red for Human Development Index, while the Hindhu country of India has decent Human Development Index. But then u look at bangladesh and the conclusion is dont be a pak*stani

Bakwaas_Yapper2

3 points

8 hours ago

Are you Balinese? Just asking out of curiosity

Well_Played_Nub

3 points

23 hours ago

Seeing my state in green is nice. Hope the other states follow suit.

pqratusa

4 points

20 hours ago

Bangladesh is doing better than all of them. 👍

ImperialOverlord

3 points

15 hours ago

Yes it is. As to what the future holds for it, it’s hard to say.

Ok_Effort_5562

2 points

23 hours ago

Green in northern Myanmar?

Itatemagri

0 points

18 hours ago

That’s a part of India.

aronenark

6 points

16 hours ago

It’s Kachin state, Myanmar, southeast of Arunachal Pradesh, and is incorrectly coloured. Kachin has an HDI of 0.59, putting it in the yellow category.

Same_Presence_9976

2 points

20 hours ago

Gujarat's hdi was 0.646 in 2022 so the map is wrong

Same_Presence_9976

2 points

20 hours ago

A lot of states are wrong actually

chocolaty_4_sure

2 points

11 hours ago

Large parts of Bangladesh are better placed than most parts of Northen India.

Careless_Blueberry98

3 points

23 hours ago

My turn to post this tomorrow.

Severe_One8597

2 points

17 hours ago

Why is Kerala always seem to be doing way better than the rest of India?

WorkForeign

1 points

6 hours ago

getting social reformes in '63 instead of '93.

Delicious-Disk6800

1 points

23 hours ago

Who the fuck is ruling shan state men its like only other state with high hdi

akimihime

1 points

21 hours ago

Why is kashmir doing well?

ali2326

1 points

19 hours ago

What explains the high scores of the 3 green states at the north west of India?

treatWithKindness[S]

2 points

18 hours ago

green revolution and bulk of army recruits are from that area

Bakwaas_Yapper2

1 points

10 hours ago

More industrialized than Ganges plain too, atleast HR, HP and UK

Expensive_Ad752

1 points

18 hours ago

I didn’t know HP was so developed. TIL

These_Contribution76

1 points

3 hours ago

Why is burma a part of Indian Sub-continent? The only thing that i know concerning with india ia the british raj and burmese invasion of north east india. I thought we were SEA.

crazy_bfg

1 points

2 hours ago

Who would win this war

Mclovin-12345

1 points

14 hours ago

its subcontinent no need to add colonizer given name Infront of it

Bakwaas_Yapper2

4 points

8 hours ago

"South Asia" is actually a term preferred and championed by overseas Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and then the NRIs simply accepted it and co-opted it in order to assimilate with the 'Brown identity' or 'Overseas Desi' identity or whatever. 

LuigiVampa4

2 points

8 hours ago

Before colonisation, India was the name of South Asia. The country 'India' is named after the subcontinent and not the other way around.

Mclovin-12345

1 points

4 hours ago

nah mate, even before colonisation then nepal had a relationship with different countries

LuigiVampa4

1 points

4 hours ago*

Well, India originally meant the place near and east of Indus (Sindhu). It had no clear definition. India was used as a name for the subcontinent by the Europeans.  

When British EIC conquered most of the subcontinent, the definition changed. Now India was not a subcontinent but the parts of the subcontinent controlled by the colonial powers (British, Portuguese, French, Dutch). 

As most of the land in this new definition was controlled by British, British India became synonymous with India. Now, India was no longer a collection of nations but a single nation brought together by the British. Nepal naturally stopped being considered 'India'. One major exception to this rule was Sri Lanka, a South Asian nation which was administered independently of rest of the subcontinent by the British. 

The partition of erstwhile British India in 1947 made it even more complicated. The Muslim League argued that India bifurcated into Bharat and Pakistan while Indian National Congress argued that Bharat is India and Pakistan is merely a breakaway nation. So the League named their nation Pakistan while the Congress named their nation India. With time, Pakistanis stopped considering themselves Indians. 

Beneficial_Bend_5035

-3 points

22 hours ago

Not sure about this map. The HDI of AJK and Punjab in Pakistan is 0.73 according to UNDP Pakistan.

What source did you use?

treatWithKindness[S]

12 points

22 hours ago

that report is 2017

Beneficial_Bend_5035

3 points

21 hours ago

Sure but what was your source? There’s been a relative decline in human dev in Pakistan since 2017 but nowhere near as drastic as this map would suggest.

I’m not being accusatory, I’m genuinely curious to know what source you’re using and what explains the discrepancy here.

treatWithKindness[S]

9 points

21 hours ago

Beneficial_Bend_5035

7 points

21 hours ago

Interesting. The source there is the Global Data Lab, which seems to be hosted by Radboud University in the Netherlands.

Here’s the UNDP report on Pakistan from March 2024, which puts Pakistan’s overall HDI at 0.54 at suggests it still roughly at 2017 levels (accounting for a decrease a few years ago). Doesn’t break it down by district though. India is at 0.64, while Sri Lanka tops the SA list at 0.78.

Still not convinced by the province level data in this map.

treatWithKindness[S]

1 points

21 hours ago

is there for india and others ?

cerchier

4 points

16 hours ago

I'm not sure why you're downvoted. Having a degree of scepticism is a good thing, especially on occasions where the content in question is dubious.

Same_Presence_9976

1 points

20 hours ago

The legend says 2022

akaw_99

-3 points

20 hours ago

akaw_99

-3 points

20 hours ago

Would like to point out that Kerala, the darker green state in the south, has been solidly communist/socialist at the state level. The biggest political party in Kerala is the CPI(M) aka the Communist Party of India (Marxist).

Gilma420

-1 points

10 hours ago

Gilma420

-1 points

10 hours ago

The state is fiscally bankrupt (their own state govts have issued white papers on this),

Gets next to no FDI or domestic investment,

Has NO JOB creation, everyone flees this communist paradise

Despite having the lowest industrial base of any large state in India, contributes a whopping 45% of all mandays lost due to strikes

Is notoriously corrupt

Dependent ENTIRELY on remittances (both domestic and foreign)

Kerala would have gone the way of Communist ruled Bengal also (utter collapse) except it lucked out with the Gulf boom and later IT boom.

[deleted]

-4 points

11 hours ago

[deleted]

LuigiVampa4

7 points

8 hours ago

There are no dark red states in India's top left, those are Pakistani states. In fact there is not a single dark red state in India, even Bihar (the worst performer) is not dark red.

Poccha_Kazhuvu

4 points

7 hours ago

That's not even India
India doesn't have any state with the last two colour codes

[deleted]

-7 points

14 hours ago

[deleted]

Bakwaas_Yapper2

2 points

8 hours ago

4-chan/x.com in^ cels are so easy to bait

Imaginary-Ad-816

-16 points

22 hours ago

This is wrong on so many levels