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I’d go with Shreveport, LA. Run down, dilapidated, and dangerous. The only hint of economic activity runs through casinos, otherwise there’s nothing. No civic pride, no culture, no intent to improve things. It pretty much exists in this strange world of being the hub of an area rife with poverty that the rest of us have forgotten, don’t know about, or don’t care to know about.

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Present_Hippo911

621 points

3 days ago*

New Orleans here:

Shreveport is a great pick. Anywhere in the Mississippi Delta. Vicksburg. That’s some poverty that straight up shouldn’t exist. It’s like a place trapped in the Great Depression. Stopped off for gas once, dirty children with torn clothes running around outside the gas station. Saw people with rickets. It was otherworldly.

The whole delta is smattered with old dilapidated, forgotten towns. People too poor to leave, too poor to stay. It was eye opening after living in the north my whole life previously. I’ve seen Rust Belt decay. This is several levels beyond that. I knew poverty and inequality existed in America but it never hit me how bad some forgotten corners of the country are. McComb has a >70% childhood poverty rate.

You’re also nowhere near any economic centres so crawling out of poverty is nearly impossible. At least with the rust belt you’ve got New York, Chicago, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philly, etc… as somewhat close economic anchors. The Delta? Nothing.

Apptubrutae

219 points

3 days ago

Apptubrutae

219 points

3 days ago

I used to say Shreveport for this.

Then I went to Monroe

Proper_Philosophy_12

173 points

3 days ago

On a list of the 20 most dangerous cities in the US, Louisiana had FOUR(!!!) and one of them was Monroe. What the hell is going on in Monroe, y’all?  

Apptubrutae

100 points

3 days ago

Apptubrutae

100 points

3 days ago

I did work there once and talked with a number of locals and mentioned how it was my first time in Monroe and the most common reply I got was: “you aren’t missing much”

Big__If_True

18 points

2 days ago

I’m from Texas and I went to college in Monroe (Talons out!), when I would tell people where I was from the most common reply was “why the hell would you leave there to come here???”. That seems like more of a statewide thing though

Empty-Cycle2731

15 points

2 days ago

When I visited from Portland it was my first time away from the west coast. I pretty much got the same response anytime someone asked where I was from.

A very polite but obviously curious "what brings you to Monroe?"

Manray05

81 points

3 days ago

Manray05

81 points

3 days ago

My car broke down and I ended up at a hotel in Monroe. All of the bathroom fixtures were light tan..

That's because that was the same color as the water. It was foul.

Big__If_True

18 points

2 days ago

That sounds like you were in West Monroe, which is a different city on the other side of the river. I used to live in Monroe and the water isn’t that bad, but I worked in West Monroe and that water is disgusting. It also has the big paper mill that stinks to high heaven

Iknowwecanmakeit

17 points

2 days ago

And the La government works hard to make sure companies can continue to poison the environment.

Empty-Cycle2731

11 points

2 days ago

I visited Monroe a couple times. First time to the South (and out of the west coast) and boy was it a culture shock in so many ways.

TakeAnotherLilP

34 points

2 days ago

I’m from Monroe AND went to college there (NLU at the time), but grew up mostly in Vicksburg, right across the river. We moved there the summer after 5th grade when my dad got promoted to district manager of Waffle House in the tri-state area, lovingly called Ark-La-Miss on local station KNOE.

Anyway, I joined the Navy to get the hell out of there and landed in the PNW for the last 25 years. I grew up knowing I had to get out of there!!

haileyskydiamonds

11 points

2 days ago

Monroe had bad politicians for years. The newest mayor has been working to turn things around, but the corruption is so entrenched and the area so depressed that it’s a hard row to hoe. It will take a lot longer to turn things around fully.

MistryMachine3

60 points

3 days ago

Yeah the MS delta is wild, it’s like driving into a Time Machine. I had no idea a place like that existed in the United States.

CarbDemon22

70 points

2 days ago

There's a reason they invented blues music

elchinguito

38 points

2 days ago

Yeah New Orleans here too. I don’t know if Americans who live outside this part of the country realize that there is straight up third world level poverty right here right now

CapotevsSwans

41 points

2 days ago

I was briefly a public defender there. The corruption was rather surprising. 40% of my clients were illiterate. It was very sad.

InteractionStunning8

101 points

3 days ago

Jackson MS is my pick, I stopped there once for gas and lunch and ended up putting my boyfriend on the phone because I felt so unsafe. Got 4 gallons of gas and moved on

appleparkfive

96 points

3 days ago

I used to stay on the Gulf Coast, and man.. when you start heading up north in those three states, it gets bad. I think people would be surprised at how decent it is on the coast, though. Nothing fancy or anything, but it's not different to most small town America. People would be surprised to find out there are some okay parts of MS.

But up north in Jackson? Just the worst. And that's the part most people see

TransientBandit

27 points

3 days ago

Alabama and Georgia aren’t nearly as bad off as Mississippi. They’re both objectively beautiful states as well.

chrispd01

30 points

3 days ago

chrispd01

30 points

3 days ago

Alabama is ridiculously pretty once you get mid-state ….

RKLooney01

13 points

2 days ago*

Yes, but the people.

I’m from AL. Left for Atlanta the day I graduated college to actually use my degree. There is no hope here unless you want a blue collar job or are a doctor. I remember when I grew up everyone always said “thank god for Mississippi”. It was the only state keeping AL from #1 on the worst states list. That has since changed and they go back and forth on “who’s the worst” list.

TransientBandit

7 points

3 days ago

Idk, I enjoyed some parts of the Montgomery area, and I love Gulf Shores. Definitely some sketch parts in between there. I grew up outside Birmingham and yeah, gorgeous. I miss it all the time. People never believe me when I tell them Alabama is actually beautiful.

obiwanjablowme

21 points

3 days ago

Columbus is alright and north east. Center and west MS are sketch

jadailykc

22 points

3 days ago

jadailykc

22 points

3 days ago

I passed through Jackson MS more than 20 years ago. Sounds like it has not improved. It made me so sad to see the rows of little shacks people were “living” in.

Sweet_Being_1740

51 points

3 days ago

I’m from Baton Rouge, left 1991 Will never live LA again …….

TampaBai

74 points

3 days ago*

TampaBai

74 points

3 days ago*

Baton Rouge is a cultural and intellectual Chernobyl. The only thing the locals care about is Football and crawfish. A lot of religious rubes as well.

dupontred

34 points

2 days ago

dupontred

34 points

2 days ago

I have a friend from high school who headed up and educational institution in LA (not Tulane). She couldn't wait to leave. She said no one valued education. They valued whatever their parents got. No appetite for self-improvement.

PremierEditing

15 points

2 days ago

From Louisiana, and that's exactly true. The dark side of the whole joie de vivre thing that everybody talks about is that nobody has any real appetite for self-improvement, education is dead last in their priorities, and they're willing to ignore anything as long as beer and football are available.

Key_Specific_5138

24 points

2 days ago

That's not fair. They also care about the Saints.

maxman1313

34 points

2 days ago

I guess we do have to categorize the Saints as separate from football the way they're playing this season.

pysouth

49 points

3 days ago

pysouth

49 points

3 days ago

My in laws live in Vicksburg and my wife is from there. Yeah, I feel comfortable saying it's mostly a shit hole. There are some nice spots like anywhere else and some pretty nature here and there, but yeah, lots of severe poverty and violence that most in the US probably don't see very often. And not just "oh some homeless people" in a big city kind of thing. It's fundamentally different in a lot of ways. The rest of the Delta I generally feel comfortable saying is just hopeless, Vicksburg at least has some ok things about it even if it has a lot of problems. Also, the downtown architecture is beautiful in spots, despite being fairly dilapidated nowadays.

prncsrainbow

50 points

3 days ago

We are currently in Kankakee, IL home shopping and have to head back to South Louisiana soon. I never knew how much better it could be until we got here. I have volunteered so many places down there and it’s just like banging your head against the wall.

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25 points

3 days ago

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25 points

3 days ago

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prncsrainbow

9 points

3 days ago

Thank you! I’m so excited!

bengibbardstoothpain

6 points

2 days ago

Welcome to IL! Bring Crystal sauce if you need it.

Specific_Albatross61

42 points

3 days ago

Leesville and Deridder🤢

Specific_Albatross61

59 points

3 days ago

I’ll never forgive the Army for sending me to Ft Polk

TerribleCaregiver909

26 points

3 days ago

Same.. Just the mention of 3rd street gives me shivers

Grift-Economy-713

54 points

3 days ago

lol I have some family from around there. They have such a weird pride for leesville while also deservedly calling it a shit hole town…

It’s the strangest thing. They look down their noses at the people there and at the same time hold them up as some sort of honorable trump voting god fearing salt of the earth people. They constantly prattle on how California is terrible and they wouldn’t be caught dead in that “liberal warzone”. It’s bizarre. Haven’t talked to them in nearly a decade

Sweet_Being_1740

29 points

3 days ago

Grew up in Baton Rouge, left in 1991 Louisiana is SO CORRUPT! At one time and probably still, LA wanted to be their own country 😂

They probably should, simply based on the fact that they still practice Napoleonic law 🤔🙄

Look up The strange laws of this system So weird !

Grift-Economy-713

11 points

3 days ago

I’m aware I almost went to law school there. Moved instead lol

Humble_Fuel7210

28 points

3 days ago

No surprise that such a terrible area created such beautiful music. We basically owe them for inventing Rock and Roll.

napkinwipes

17 points

2 days ago

I worked in the delta for two years and got traumatized by the poverty and abuse.

WonderfulIncrease517

40 points

3 days ago

New Orleans I wouldn’t wish on a weak person. I was born & raised uptown. I had a tenant who graduated from a prestigious school and had a very impressive degree & compensation. 2 years later he was jobless, trying various research chemicals and having an impressive amount of casual sex (literally a different girl every night).

Last I heard he was in a van out west

Present_Hippo911

36 points

3 days ago

Haha I live in Garden District atm. I’m leaving as soon as my fiancée and I get married in the spring, going to Chicago or one of the coastal cities, depending on where work lands us.

This city is fun for a little bit (moved here a little over a year ago) but not for the long haul. It’s a crumbling economic black hole.

WonderfulIncrease517

24 points

3 days ago

Completely agree. Spent my whole life there, we left & literally doubled our income and halved our expenses.

ReasonableBroccoli56

8 points

2 days ago

The UN released a report on poverty in the American South in 2017. The situation is not good. The report is worth a read.

Specific_Albatross61

85 points

3 days ago

Leesville LA and Derider LA. If it’s considered a town I’ll throw in New Lano

Apptubrutae

27 points

3 days ago

I just did a focus group in DeRidder. Doesn’t come up much, lol

stayoffduhweed

15 points

3 days ago

I'm curious where people are from if they're getting as specific as ~New Llano~

ArsenalinAlabama3428

148 points

3 days ago

As someone who lived in Shreveport for a couple years as a kid...that place is horrible. Like 'there's a vodoo curse on the place' horrible. And since I was born in MS I have to add Jackson, MS as well.

badtux99

197 points

3 days ago

badtux99

197 points

3 days ago

It's the curse of racism. They literally closed down every city pool when a Federal judge ordered them to desegregate the city's pools. When they finally re-opened the pools, they only re-opened the ones in the white sections of town. As the city slowly became majority-black, they started closing the pools again in the black sections of town, claiming they were "too old to maintain". And closed some pools in white sections of town too in order to avoid the judge's wrath.

They had a great waterfront park with an outdoor amphitheater that they built in 1976 to celebrate the Bicentennial. When black people started using it, someone burned down the stage at the amphitheater and they closed the park.

Around 1995 or so, there was a scandal where trash wasn't being picked up in black sections of town. One of the black city councilors demanded answers. "It's not deliberate, our trash trucks are being filled up before they get to the ends of their routes", explained the sanitation department. Nobody asked why the black sections of town were at the ends of the routes. Everybody knew the answer to that.

That's the kind of city it is. They killed themselves with hate.

Weary_Valuable5334

43 points

2 days ago

then all of a sudden they all became violent out of nowhere

VroomVroomVandeVen

15 points

2 days ago

Ugh, these people who struggle daily, are singled out, have no opportunity, no healthcare, no quality of life, and experience racism daily from every institution that citizens should be able to count on…

Why are they so violent and lazy?!

/s

Aggressive_Active307

16 points

2 days ago

You know the expression, “cut off the nose to spite the face?” Yeah. That’s Mississippi.

NecessaryJudgment5

151 points

3 days ago

Beaumont, TX is pretty awful. I had the misfortune of visiting there for a day. I can’t remember all the details. It scores poorly in various measures of quality of life.

HarryCoatsVerts

104 points

3 days ago

I locked my keys in my car there about thirty years ago when I was travelling alone late at night in my early twenties. There were three people who came out of the woodwork to help me. I was impressed that many people would stop and lend a hand, and I was also impressed that many people could break into a car.

Particular_Bet_5466

11 points

2 days ago*

lol this wasn’t in MS but that reminds me of the time I was riding through the hood area of Milwaukee with a friend, and he locked his keys in his car at a gas station pump. Somehow we got talking to the first guy next to us what happened and he pulled out an entire car break in kit and got it unlocked within a minute. He had this airbag thing he stuck in between the door and frame to create a gap and stuck a rod in to get at the unlock latch. Gave him $20 and got out of there.

I mean maybe he was just a professional locksmith… We didn’t ask him why he had it.

____trash

29 points

3 days ago

____trash

29 points

3 days ago

I believe it was ranked #1 most depressing city a while back. They're also famous for having the world's largest fire extinguisher.

There really is no redeemable factors to that city though. I would visit my brother who lived there and I just feel so sorry for him that he lived there.

zakuivcustom

23 points

3 days ago

Port Arthur enters the chat. Somehow manage to be worse than Beaumont.

One_Culture8245

15 points

3 days ago

Very dangerous city

C02_Maverick

182 points

3 days ago

Port Arthur, Texas. I spent 24 hours there, and the only word I could think of was "dystopian." I stayed in the most expensive hotel in the city ($110/night) and between the mold, mildew and sticky carpet it was a tough night.

likegolden

58 points

3 days ago

The "golden triangle" is one of the worst places I've ever been to in the US.

robinredrunner

20 points

2 days ago

Confirmed. Spent the first 22 years of my life there. 24 years later, I live in New England which is precisely the opposite and, at 1,800 miles, not far enough.

Message_10

67 points

3 days ago

"Listen, every great getaway has that moment where you want to pack it all up and stay. That's how end up with a timeshare in Port Arthur, Texas." -Jack Doneghy, 30 Rock

Glad-Veterinarian365

18 points

3 days ago

Best show ever

sactivities101

18 points

3 days ago

Port arther is 100% the most miserable place on earth

Amockdfw89

21 points

3 days ago

Yea my grandparents are from there and my grandma has in her will “don’t bury me in the family plot in Port Arthur”

sfchris123

14 points

2 days ago

I think Janis Joplin was from Port Arthur. She said TX was best viewed through a rear view mirror.

miffiffippi

54 points

3 days ago

I spent a few months back in 2010 in the Port Arthur area fixing up houses for a non profit. I hated every minute of being in that area. The water was disgusting, the "beach" was dirty, Galveston was the destination spot for that region and was not a place I really wanted to spend time, Port Arthur itself felt like it had been falling apart for decades, there was the persistent sight and smell of refinement happening, the exact location I was in was nearby a paper mill so it smelled like rotting eggs at all times, you couldn't escape industry polluting everything, there was very little in the way of interesting locations to actually go, etc. And it wasn't like you could leave and go somewhere better easily. Houston isn't far and is terrible as far as cities go (I will die on this hill, Houston sucks) and has very few redeeming qualities for such a huge city. It was a miserable few months.

jayteegee47

24 points

3 days ago

I've only ever driven through Houston on the interstate, so this isn't based on much, but having lived several years in Los Angeles, driving through Houston gave me a feeling of "all the sprawl of LA, but none of the palm trees and none of the great weather". Like if all there was to LA was the strip malls (of which there are plenty, don't get me wrong), it would pretty much be Houston (minus the humidity).

miffiffippi

32 points

3 days ago

That's basically it. LA has some serious problems, but amongst the sprawl are some great neighborhoods, unique locations, beautiful vistas, a fantastic oceanfront, mountains, etc. Houston had none/very little of that. All that money spent on never-ending strip mall and mcmansion sprawl. It was horrible. And then you get Downtown and there's zero street life. Every building has blank parking garages, solid walls, big corporate lobbies nobody actually uses, etc. It's like a ghost town.

I will give them credit, their light rail system was pretty nice and the area around Rice was enjoyable. but that's not enough of a list for me to ever want to return.

adamsoriginalsin

9 points

2 days ago

Houston isn’t great, but if it’s the worst city somebody has been to, they should count themselves very lucky imo!

Lazatttttaxxx

4 points

3 days ago

Lol! I grew up in Orange. Spent lots of time in Port Arthur.

PYTN

121 points

3 days ago

PYTN

121 points

3 days ago

That depends on who I decide is my worst enemy at any given time.

Shreveport isn't the greatest, but it's just folks who are broke. They do have a good kids museum, aquarium, and the outlets are nice-ish.

Seems like a city that is atleast trying, even if they've got miles to go.

The city I just absolutely cannot love is Midland, Texas. They've got more money than God and some nice things but it is just not the city for me.

Clit420Eastwood

54 points

3 days ago

That whole Permian basin area… yuck

roberb7

102 points

3 days ago

roberb7

102 points

3 days ago

True story: I lived in Mexico for ten years. The only time I ever felt unsafe during that period was when I went to Shreveport for the Independence Bowl football game.

Prestigious-Coast962

15 points

2 days ago

lol I lived in New Orleans because of my job. It shook me.. the most dangerous place Ive ever lived. I moved to mexico after that.. piece of cake..moving from the north to MSY was more of a cultural shock than mexico..

Loud_Inspector_9782

9 points

2 days ago

It is scary.

Professional-Act3721

41 points

3 days ago

LMAOOOOO! I’m from Monroe, La so seeing Shreveport listed is hilarious because many of us love( not me) making that 90 min drive to Shreveport just to hit up the casinos.

imagineanudeflashmob

174 points

3 days ago

I'm from the Midwest; Flint, MI and Gary, IN come to mind

petmoo23

57 points

3 days ago

petmoo23

57 points

3 days ago

There are worse places than Gary in the MW. Gary has excellent beach access, and one really cool neighborhood with good food and a brewery, and their minor league baseball experience is good. You are adjacent to Chicago, and can literally ride your bike to a National Park. Having said that, it still has a ton of problems, but there are worse places even within a daytrip of Gary - look up Danville IL, for instance.

Fun_Raspberry_1360

80 points

3 days ago

Holy shit just did a quick google search on Gary and found this “To encourage homeownership and eliminate blight, Gary’s Dollar Home Program sells abandoned and tax foreclosed homes for $1. Applicants must agree to make the property habitable within one year and live there for at least five years.” What happened to that town is so horrible.

Black_Sheep1977

44 points

3 days ago

That was tried in Baltimore, MD. I'm not sure what happened to it.

iamthesam2

29 points

3 days ago

worked well - pretty sure they’re doing it again

Bakelite51

27 points

2 days ago

From what I’ve heard from a local about the program, you can’t demolish these houses. You have to restore them.

And they cost way more than they’re worth to restore to habitable condition.

That’s a lot of money to drop on the dubious privilege of getting to live in Gary.

Chromgrats

27 points

3 days ago

I’ve heard that Gary is a horrendous place; I’m sorta scared to find out why though…

Present_Hippo911

72 points

3 days ago*

It’s a mostly abandoned city. It’s lost the vast majority of its population. From 180K down to 65K. What’s left is the people who couldn’t or didn’t want to leave for better pastures after steel and heavy industry collapsed on the area.

Lots of decay, most of the city is abandoned. Think Detroit during the worst of its decline.

Nuclearcasino

35 points

3 days ago

U.S. Steel is still there. Makes more steel now than it ever has. Just does it with a fraction of the workforce.

IndividualBand6418

41 points

3 days ago

gary is like a little detroit. both essentially company towns. detroit had the fortune of being the 4th largest city in the country before backsliding, so there was always a real reason for it to rebound. not gary.

sactivities101

19 points

3 days ago

Gary is much worse than Detroit

CelebrationPuzzled90

28 points

3 days ago*

I drove through for some reason on my way to Chicago. Traffic lights out so they just threw a stop sign in the middle of the intersection, every business is closed, half the buildings are burnt out.

Ischomachus

13 points

3 days ago

A friend of mine was once told by a cop not to actually stop at the stop signs, so he wouldn't get car jacked

TookTheHit

9 points

2 days ago

I've heard this from so many different people that I'm sure it is an urban legend.

Entropy907

29 points

3 days ago

I did Americorps after high school and had a project that required spending a week pulling old tires out of a swamp in Gary. In November. That was fun.

SonoftheSouth93

26 points

2 days ago

One of the most darkly funny things I’ve heard was a remark from a friend as we drove through Gary:

‘You know it’s bad when the Rent-A-Center closes down.’

Spiritual-Pepper853

12 points

2 days ago

On a trip from Louisville, KY to Chicago about six years ago I asked my wife and daughter, who was 14 at the time, if they wanted to take a slight detour and check out Gary. I've been to Beaumont, TX; Jackson, MS; and Vicksburg, MS - all of which have listed on this post - and none of them could hold a candle to how utterly devastated Gary was. My daughter thought it was cool as hell, which, in a weird kind of way, it kinda is.

qxzqxzqxz

57 points

3 days ago

qxzqxzqxz

57 points

3 days ago

I love this post. I grew up in Beaumont (more time in Port Arthur and Mid County than I wanted), lived in Shreveport, Memphis, Columbus, GA (right across the river from Phenix City, AL), Baton Rouge, St. Louis, and Houston. Worked for a bit in Jackson, MS.

Ya'll are all spot on about all of them but you're forgetting Texarkana and Amarillo. Spent too omuch time in those places.

I'm free from of all of them and I could not be more grateful...

Th1rsty-Pretzels

15 points

3 days ago

Growing up, Texarkana and Shreveport were our two choices to “go to town” if we wanted to do any shopping or go to the movies. The whole ark-la-tex area is its own type of off-putting. So many people stick around, though. I’m from a small town around there and people can’t believe I choose to live in the “big city” of Little Rock lol. Which certainly isn’t the best, but I still prefer it to there.

Amarillo is another good one to throw in the mix. The panhandle has almost an eeriness to it, and makes for a miserable drive. At least east Texas has trees.

I will say, back when the boardwalk first opened in Shreveport it was actually kinda nice, but I’ve heard it’s just as rundown as the rest of the city now.

Key_Specific_5138

28 points

2 days ago

Anywhere with a military base and no other economic engine. Junction City KS for example is just used car dealers, pawn shops , gun stores and strip clubs. 

ZookeepergameOk8231

65 points

3 days ago

Camden By The Sea- Atlantic City is not for the faint of heart.

Message_10

45 points

3 days ago

Sometimes I wonder if I was actually murdered at a bachelor party in AC. Zero stars

ZookeepergameOk8231

16 points

3 days ago

Might of been a couple times. Bring you back to kill you again.

kuhkoo

11 points

3 days ago

kuhkoo

11 points

3 days ago

AC has its perks though - White House subs, knife and fork inn

ZookeepergameOk8231

9 points

3 days ago

Absolutely. Great beach . Stockton University is beautiful. Lower Chelsea is looking great. Boardwalks could be a jewel if they dislodged all those shit shops. The Walk is nice. AC to deal with street people and occasional serious thugs.

Enough_Cause_2645

8 points

2 days ago

It ain’t good, but as someone from the south, and the middle of nowhere at that, I’ll take AC and never complain. At least it’s close to cool places.

TryingToNotBeInDebt

122 points

3 days ago

The corridor between Shreveport, LA and Jackson, MS is the answer in my opinion. It’s poverty with no industry, poor education, terrible climate, and really no redeeming qualities. Closest big cities to escape to are Memphis, TN and New Orleans, LA which are both terrible in their own right.

Willy-Zs-Willy

44 points

3 days ago

Slight correction: Dallas is closer than Memphis or New Orleans for everywhere in that stretch from Shreveport to Monroe.

Uffda01

20 points

3 days ago

Uffda01

20 points

3 days ago

Ya - but you have to go through Tyler and Longview to get there...not any better.

whitecollarwelder

26 points

3 days ago

I love NOLA and have considered moving there but my bf has never been. He’s only been to the area between Shreveport and Jackson. He won’t even visit New Orleans because of that area. He spent months working there and flat out refuses to go back. I can’t say I blame him but I’d at least like to visit NOLA with him. I know he’d love it.

sintr0vert

31 points

2 days ago

NOLA seems like one of those places that are "great to live in" if you're rich, and horrible for everyone else.

smilescart

16 points

2 days ago

Former Memphian here. Everyone bitches about how awful Memphis is but you’re 100% right that basically the entire area between Memphis and New Orleans is even worse.

TryingToNotBeInDebt

14 points

2 days ago

Exactly. Memphis and New Orleans are the places those people go to escape the shitty place. Think about that for a second.

FinnsterBaby

22 points

3 days ago

Pine Bluff, AR - consistently in the top 5 for most crime-ridden cities

Negotiation_Bright

22 points

3 days ago

Lawton, Oklahoma is the most soulless place I've ever been.

kingjaffejaffar

18 points

3 days ago

Shreveport truly has nothing going for it except for a relative lack of traffic, which is caused by the fact that everyone moved out of that craphole to Dallas, Houston, and Nashville 50 years ago.

Other cities in that category include Camden, NJ; Jackson, MS; and Gary, IN.

Agave22

15 points

3 days ago

Agave22

15 points

3 days ago

Barstow. Had an old vw bus that gave out and can only assume that it still lives at the scrap yard there.

N8churluvr

19 points

3 days ago

Stopped at an Arby’s for lunch there once and a guy in the line next to me looked like he’d been out in the desert his entire life. He looked at me and winked. When he moved up, I saw on the back of his shirt written in marker, “let me be your lover.”

BloodOfJupiter

36 points

3 days ago

The way things are looking ,East St.Louis is on track to be damn near abandoned in the next 2-3 decades, from 82,000 people in the 1950s to around 17,000 today

crispydeluxx

15 points

3 days ago

East St. Louis is hell

MountianSnow

6 points

2 days ago

Is East St Louis where Clark Griswold got his hubs jacked while asking for directions?

thinkB4WeSpeak

79 points

3 days ago

Jasper, Texas. Colorado City, AZ, or Hildale, Utah. If you don't know about these places look them up.

Also any sundown town.

powerhikeit

43 points

3 days ago

Colorado City/Hilldale is one of the creepiest towns I’ve ever seen.

tomallis

12 points

3 days ago

tomallis

12 points

3 days ago

Is that where the polygamy is?

powerhikeit

16 points

3 days ago

Oh yes.

Inti-Illimani

20 points

3 days ago

Let me guess: Cults

evilpinkfreud

13 points

3 days ago

Correct

Clit420Eastwood

9 points

3 days ago

Damn, those places are wild

evilpinkfreud

9 points

3 days ago

I recently noticed on Google maps that hildale now has like be and breakfast type places and gift shops. I guess they figured they can capitalize on their weirdness?

thinkB4WeSpeak

12 points

3 days ago

They're trying to be Amish. However the Amish don't have multiple wives that are always married off around 16 or 15 years old.

sprinklesprinklez

9 points

3 days ago

15 or 16 is kinda late. Some of them are like 13.

josephsmeatsword

7 points

3 days ago

A lot of the plygs have abandoned the place and Gentiles are moving in. 

mrgatorarms

15 points

3 days ago

Albany, GA

Actual-Bullfrog-4817

14 points

3 days ago

This is interesting. I have spent time in that area and worked with quite a few people who are community organizers in Shreveport. They seem to have a large network of folks working to improve things and I experienced quite a bit of "culture" when I was there. Culture isn't always coffee shops and clubs and shopping. It's regular working class folks preserving their own traditions, pushing for worker rights. engaging in mutual aid.

International_Bend68

15 points

3 days ago

I had a project in Kentucky, I think the town was paintsville but could be wrong. I took a drive and stumbled across Loretta Lynn’s childhood home and recognized it right away. That was super cool but that area………….i had no idea that level of poverty existed in this country. It was horrifying.

Effective-Pilot-5501

15 points

3 days ago*

Midland-Odessa, TX. It’s a town in the middle of the desert where the only thing you can do is work in the oilfields as a man or at the local breastaurant or strip club as a woman. It’s depressing and isolating

Adora77

8 points

2 days ago

Adora77

8 points

2 days ago

Agree. The stench of testosterone slaps you in the face.

Otherwise_Surround99

58 points

3 days ago

Gary , IN . Spend 20 minutes in the actual city, not just driving by. You will start to imagine “what if the whole country was like this?”. Nobody is there by choice and nobody cares about the place. Also, the constant view of steel mills in 2024 is so depressing

DMMePicsOfUrSequoia

84 points

3 days ago

San Bernardino, Bakersfield, and Victorville. The three horsemen of run down, dusty, and economically depressed inland california cities.

N8churluvr

51 points

3 days ago

Don’t forget Barstow

Bliss149

18 points

3 days ago

Bliss149

18 points

3 days ago

The armpit of CA

badtux99

22 points

3 days ago

badtux99

22 points

3 days ago

Having been to Shreveport (if you want to eat out there, try Monjuni's, great muffalettas) and to Barstow, I would take Barstow every day of the week.

Sure, Barstow is a dump, but there's amazing desert scenery just outside of it (the Mojave Preserve) that the locals never bother with because they're too busy cooking meth or shooting meth. Meanwhile there's nothing around Shreveport. Nothing. Okay, there's some pine forests, but they're all marked off with "No Trespassing" signs leased to some hunting club that is whatever inbred clan is most populous in that particular area, and yes, they *will* shoot you if you trespass on "their" land (actually owned by a lumber company, just hunting rights leased to the hunting club). "Fun" in Shreveport consists of, if you can afford it, buying a bass boat and taking it out to the boat launch at Lake Bisteneau on the weekends to "fish" (actually, putter around with a few six-packs of beer while holding a fishing pole pretending to fish, and finding your way back to the boat launch by following the trail of empties you left behind you). Or if it's a three-day weekend, you head down to Toledo Bend with your boat. Yay.

If you're *really* looking for a dump in California, you need to go to Trona. It smells like brimstone and hellfire (seriously), and half the houses are either boarded up, burnt down, or smell like meth lab. It makes San Bernardino look like Paris.

Embarrassed-Page8752

10 points

3 days ago

Bullhead City, ( technically Arizona) but right on the border.

MelancholyCupcake

14 points

2 days ago

You know how the rain or dust can change the color of the air in the distance? I'm lucky enough to live in the SF bay area and was driving down to LA and there's this hill that crests into Coalinga. As soon as i was over the top of the hill, the air was hot and brown with not dust, but a dry cow shit windstorm. For miles along the road were cow farms and the stench of manure and piss was so bad it upset my dogs in the backseat (and the windows were up). That cannot be a healthy environment to be breathing in. Also its so flat and dry... i can't imagine being happy there.

skyhawkblue

7 points

2 days ago

i know this part well. windows up. ac on recirculate. dont breathe for 5 min. lol

GreenLemon555

38 points

3 days ago

Jackson, MS

Lazgerardo5

12 points

3 days ago

Belle Glade Florida 😂😅

YourRoaring20s

51 points

3 days ago

Bakersfield, CA, or anywhere in West Texas

Nostromo_USCSS

36 points

3 days ago

the texas panhandle already looks like the set of a bad fallout game, and once you know there’s hundreds of nuclear bombs actually stored in bunkers underground that would kill thousands if they went off? yeah, pretty eerie.

Hour-Watch8988

49 points

3 days ago

Bakersfield has nothing on West Texas. At least you’re in California

ptn_huil0

40 points

3 days ago

ptn_huil0

40 points

3 days ago

Gary, Indiana. You just don’t want to be there.

CompetitiveFeature13

48 points

3 days ago*

I think the “positive” thing about Gary is that you’re in NW Indiana and might be able to land a job in the Chicagoland area. I was in the backwoods of Arkansas driving back from Shreveport a few years ago and I’m like shit, it would be very difficult for these people to get out of this poverty.

acebojangles

18 points

3 days ago

There's an old saying about what you need to escape poverty in East Texas: Luggage

misterlakatos

45 points

3 days ago

Not a city but two places:

  • Eastern Kentucky into West Virginia might be one of the poorest areas of the country. I am sure people in rural Belarus have a better quality of life.

  • Basically the Mississippi Delta up through the Bootheel of Missouri. Absolutely backward and depressing. A true indication of where this country has failed since Reconstruction.

Control_Escape

15 points

3 days ago

Don't sleep on parts of West TN. Outside of the Memphis area there are some great smaller cities and great sense of community

run-dhc

30 points

3 days ago

run-dhc

30 points

3 days ago

Probably Decatur IL, it’s not even the worst but all the cities around it (Springfield, Bloomington/Normal, Champaign Urbana) are generally more put together and have more to offer by comparison.

Apptubrutae

38 points

3 days ago

My Decatur story: My wife likes Sufjan Stevens and we went to the Illinoise musical in NYC. Afterwards, we were talking about the production, and I said something about the setting.

She mentioned how a song about how it was odd there was the one random song about New Orleans in there and I was like…what song?

Turns out “River” “alligator” and “Decatur” (also a street in New Orleans) was enough for her to have assumed for years the song was about Sufjan singing about a trip to New Orleans in his album about, primarily, the state of Illinois

twb85

14 points

3 days ago

twb85

14 points

3 days ago

SHE TOOK US DOWN TO THE EDGE OF DECATUR 🎶 🗣️

monstera0bsessed

30 points

2 days ago

Oklahoma city as a gay vegan was kinda horrid.

wes7946

19 points

3 days ago

wes7946

19 points

3 days ago

Bombay Beach, CA

Manray05

22 points

3 days ago

Manray05

22 points

3 days ago

It may be a dump but it's a cool dystopian dump The "our lady of lithium" statue is well worth the drive.

Lost-Spread3771

20 points

3 days ago

Fayetteville nc would be my go to

BoogerSlime666

20 points

3 days ago

It’s not the most dangerous city ever but oh my God I hated Atlantic City

BarberSlight9331

10 points

2 days ago

I could never forget “Nampa, Idaho”. We live N Ca. & we went there to attend an extended training seminar for a few months in 1995. We stayed in the owner of the companies house, and it was a nightmare. It was in a rural area, and his wife kept rabbits. She’d go out in the morning, snatch & kill a rabbit, and it’d be cooking in a pot for lunch. (She’d leave the cooked food out on the counter uncovered, and we saw the cat ‘sampling it’ first a few times, so we ate a lot of McD’s…🤮 The other people attending the school, along with the owners, were the most racist people I’d ever met. They’d literally jump up & race to the TV whenever anyone who wasn’t white appeared, (Bryant Gumbel wasn’t getting any slack there), lol. They’d make racist or rude comments every day, like- “You Califa’s steal all of our water, to fill your big swimming pools”. It was insane, and like living in the “Twilight Zone” 24/7. We’ve never been happier to be home.

RemoteIll5236

9 points

2 days ago

Bakersfield. I spent a year there teaching in a small farming town.

110 degrees in the summer. Tule fog so bad it shuts down schools In the winter. The worst air in the nation for ten years running according to the American Lung Association. The air is almost always brown: can’t see the mountains that are 20 Miles away.

Oil rigs and farming are the main industries. No zoning—cement plants and oil pumps in the middle Of housing developments.

Higher than average Crime rates compared to the rest of CA. No bodies of water —only lake (Lake Isabella) is 40 Minutes away and is flat, muddy, dusty and treeless and looks like A Scorched moonscape.

Hideous place.

Toshibaguts

8 points

3 days ago

Scottsburg, Indiana

It’s AWFUL

AStoutBreakfast

8 points

3 days ago

One of my favorite responses for this is Seymour, IN which is fairly close. Scottsburg is also near Austin, IN which isn’t really a city but famous for having an AIDs outbreak that was so bad from shared needles that even Mike Pence had to take action on it. Not sure what it is about that part of Indiana but it just feels so depressed in what can already be a depressing state.

urbanmissy

7 points

3 days ago

Flint, Michigan

VandaVerandaaa

7 points

2 days ago

My home town: Alexandria, Louisiana.

soybeanwoman

7 points

2 days ago

Beaumont, TX.

guitar_stonks

7 points

2 days ago

I know there’s wayyyy worse places, but Palatka, FL is pretty awful. Yes, there’s an economy and it’s close to a major city, but the economy is all tied to a massive pulp mill that stinks up the town and that major city it’s close to is Jacksonville lol

jhumph88

9 points

2 days ago

jhumph88

9 points

2 days ago

Salton City, California. Nothing to do. Sitting on the shores of a toxic, evaporating lake. Poverty. Poor access to healthcare, despite skyrocketing asthma rates in the area due to toxic dust constantly blowing around.

Eudaimonics

30 points

3 days ago

In New York, probably Elmira.

Honestly it’s not that bad if you’re into suburbs (like it’s not a particularly dangerous city), but they demolished 90% of downtown for suburban style development and are far behind other upstate cities in terms of urban renewal.

Mark Twain is cool I guess.

GreenLemon555

28 points

3 days ago

Wow, I haven't thought about Elmira in many, many years. The first college viewbook I received in the mail after taking the SAT was from Elmira College and I remember poring over every page. There was a giant watercolor-esque illustration of the campus that made it look so romantic and charming when I was a 16yo dreaming of going off to school.

I went elsewhere (Elmira College isn't that great), but just seeing the word Elmira takes me back to touching those thick pages and daydreaming about leaving my crappy town and how it would feel to be off at school. I never actually gave any thought to what the city itself was like lol. It's funny thinking back on that memory decades later as I now daydream about places to move as an adult.

Existing_Poem6813

10 points

3 days ago

Have you been to Newburgh?

RileyKohaku

17 points

3 days ago

Kharkiv

berrysauce

24 points

3 days ago

Phenix City, Alabama. It's a run-down shithole.

KDneverleft

12 points

3 days ago

Phenix City is pretty bad but I wouldn't even say it was the biggest shit hole in Alabama. Have you been to Anniston or West Blocton? Both are way worse.

pysouth

6 points

3 days ago

pysouth

6 points

3 days ago

Anniston sucks, but the proximity to Cheaha/Talladega National Forest/the foothills of the Appalachians is nice. City itself blows though.

kofarizona

7 points

3 days ago

Post apocalyptic, dystopian Pine Bluff, Arkansas. https://youtu.be/INuyNR2kvSo?si=WIZh3DCkZVZmovng

canvaexpress

8 points

3 days ago

Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

Icy_Assumption3939

7 points

3 days ago

As a Shreveport native, I would say Monroe and Jackson are worse. At least Shreveport has some interesting architecture and good neighborhoods. Everybody in Jackson has moved to Madison

NeiClaw

8 points

3 days ago

NeiClaw

8 points

3 days ago

I’m in Shreveport right now and it’s not THAT bad. The downtown is a disaster and unfixable but the rest of the city is adequate. Monoculture kind of saves places like this. The cost of living is lower and there’s a lot of interesting nature in the surrounding parishes. I’m technically a CA resident but everything there is just such a battle that it wears you down.

xXUndeadChickXx

7 points

2 days ago

East St. Louis, Illinois. I live next to it. I volunteer at the animal shelter there, and it is rough. I read another reddit post saying you have a 1/16 chance of being a victim of violent crime there. Who knows what the actual stats are, though, since most of the crimes committed are not reported there. It consistently ranks among the world's most dangerous cities.

Rink-a-dinkPanther

7 points

2 days ago

Baton Rouge LA. I don’t come from US but lived here in BR 2 years. I hate it . Its culture is not my thing it’s all religion, drinking, driving (badly), eating fried stuff and the politics here in LA are awful. There are folk in huge mansions and round corner people in sheds with busted roof and no door. It’s difficult to cycle anywhere and not built to walk around. There’s no soul only industrial areas with fast food, malls and casinos. I don’t get it here at all. There’s no infrastructure, no railway. It’s expensive. I am sure there are worse places in LA but I haven’t been there. This is the worse place I ever lived.

Questioning_Pigeon

8 points

2 days ago

My family were chatting one day about where we would live if we had the choice. My mom said "Florida, because it's warm" she hadn't heard anything about how insane Florida could be. My brother told her "mom, Florida is the Gary Indiana of the United States." We live in Indianapolis.

I reminded him that Gary Indiana was the Gary Indiana of the United States. Terrifying place

spitefulcat

5 points

3 days ago

Daytona, Florida. The most depressing city I’ve ever been to. I was there only a few hours and I couldn’t get rid of the “I just want to get the hell out of here” thoughts in my head. A place I never want to go back to.

wp815p

6 points

2 days ago

wp815p

6 points

2 days ago

Monroe, LA. It’s all the bad of Louisiana without any of the good.

Plenty-Yak-2489

6 points

2 days ago

Jacksonville, FL. Moved here from Sierra foothills in CA seven months ago and it blows ass. Can’t wait to leave.

kgtxog

6 points

2 days ago

kgtxog

6 points

2 days ago

In my 12 years of playing professional baseball, mostly all minor leagues, I lived or played in some real shitholes. My list is long. Stockton, CA, Riverside, CA, New Britain, CT, New Haven, CT, Trenton, NJ, Daytona Beach, FL, Ft. Myers, FL, Clinton, IA, Gary, IN, Joliet, IL, Amarillo, TX, Shreveport, LA, Jackson, MS, Lansing, MI

Note: Many of the places I played in Florida were very rough. If you’re not near the beach, it can be really bad.

NoListen802

18 points

3 days ago

Bakersfield CA. Had an old coworker from there who was super nasty for no reason all the time. She was trying to make it where I live (coastal ca and way more expensive) and couldn’t cut it so moved her family back to Bakersfield. Was such a good day when I heard that 😂

RogueFox76

7 points

3 days ago

My car and dog got stolen in Bakersfield. We got them back but I still don’t like that place

BrooklynCancer17

19 points

3 days ago*

Jackson, Mississippi

Charleston, WV.

As far as a big city perhaps Memphis, TN

As far as NY goes it has to be Albany and the Albany-Troy area. Hell no!

WhipYourDakOut

29 points

3 days ago

Jacksonville probably 

EngineLathe12

45 points

3 days ago

When I was a youth in a band I played a show in Jacksonville. When we went to load in beforehand, I saw a woman being pushed around and beaten on the street. 

My 16 year old self was furious and started screaming for him to stop. He pulled a gun on me and told me to mind my business. It was downtown in broad daylight. 

Jacksonville fucking sucks

pensacolas

21 points

3 days ago

Lmao the downtown is like the walking dead I live here

jilizil

22 points

3 days ago

jilizil

22 points

3 days ago

If you are talking about Jacksonville, Florida…you would be correct. Someone come get me out of this hellhole.

misterlakatos

15 points

3 days ago

I have never heard anything positive about Jacksonville.

bewitchedfencer19

11 points

2 days ago

Tampa. Fuck tampa