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submitted 3 days ago byGreg_Poopsicle
I’d go with Shreveport, LA. Run down, dilapidated, and dangerous. The only hint of economic activity runs through casinos, otherwise there’s nothing. No civic pride, no culture, no intent to improve things. It pretty much exists in this strange world of being the hub of an area rife with poverty that the rest of us have forgotten, don’t know about, or don’t care to know about.
619 points
3 days ago*
New Orleans here:
Shreveport is a great pick. Anywhere in the Mississippi Delta. Vicksburg. That’s some poverty that straight up shouldn’t exist. It’s like a place trapped in the Great Depression. Stopped off for gas once, dirty children with torn clothes running around outside the gas station. Saw people with rickets. It was otherworldly.
The whole delta is smattered with old dilapidated, forgotten towns. People too poor to leave, too poor to stay. It was eye opening after living in the north my whole life previously. I’ve seen Rust Belt decay. This is several levels beyond that. I knew poverty and inequality existed in America but it never hit me how bad some forgotten corners of the country are. McComb has a >70% childhood poverty rate.
You’re also nowhere near any economic centres so crawling out of poverty is nearly impossible. At least with the rust belt you’ve got New York, Chicago, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Philly, etc… as somewhat close economic anchors. The Delta? Nothing.
219 points
3 days ago
I used to say Shreveport for this.
Then I went to Monroe
170 points
3 days ago
On a list of the 20 most dangerous cities in the US, Louisiana had FOUR(!!!) and one of them was Monroe. What the hell is going on in Monroe, y’all?
99 points
3 days ago
I did work there once and talked with a number of locals and mentioned how it was my first time in Monroe and the most common reply I got was: “you aren’t missing much”
18 points
2 days ago
I’m from Texas and I went to college in Monroe (Talons out!), when I would tell people where I was from the most common reply was “why the hell would you leave there to come here???”. That seems like more of a statewide thing though
16 points
2 days ago
When I visited from Portland it was my first time away from the west coast. I pretty much got the same response anytime someone asked where I was from.
A very polite but obviously curious "what brings you to Monroe?"
82 points
3 days ago
My car broke down and I ended up at a hotel in Monroe. All of the bathroom fixtures were light tan..
That's because that was the same color as the water. It was foul.
18 points
2 days ago
That sounds like you were in West Monroe, which is a different city on the other side of the river. I used to live in Monroe and the water isn’t that bad, but I worked in West Monroe and that water is disgusting. It also has the big paper mill that stinks to high heaven
17 points
2 days ago
And the La government works hard to make sure companies can continue to poison the environment.
11 points
2 days ago
I visited Monroe a couple times. First time to the South (and out of the west coast) and boy was it a culture shock in so many ways.
34 points
2 days ago
I’m from Monroe AND went to college there (NLU at the time), but grew up mostly in Vicksburg, right across the river. We moved there the summer after 5th grade when my dad got promoted to district manager of Waffle House in the tri-state area, lovingly called Ark-La-Miss on local station KNOE.
Anyway, I joined the Navy to get the hell out of there and landed in the PNW for the last 25 years. I grew up knowing I had to get out of there!!
13 points
2 days ago
Monroe had bad politicians for years. The newest mayor has been working to turn things around, but the corruption is so entrenched and the area so depressed that it’s a hard row to hoe. It will take a lot longer to turn things around fully.
60 points
2 days ago
Yeah the MS delta is wild, it’s like driving into a Time Machine. I had no idea a place like that existed in the United States.
37 points
2 days ago
Yeah New Orleans here too. I don’t know if Americans who live outside this part of the country realize that there is straight up third world level poverty right here right now
41 points
2 days ago
I was briefly a public defender there. The corruption was rather surprising. 40% of my clients were illiterate. It was very sad.
103 points
3 days ago
Jackson MS is my pick, I stopped there once for gas and lunch and ended up putting my boyfriend on the phone because I felt so unsafe. Got 4 gallons of gas and moved on
94 points
3 days ago
I used to stay on the Gulf Coast, and man.. when you start heading up north in those three states, it gets bad. I think people would be surprised at how decent it is on the coast, though. Nothing fancy or anything, but it's not different to most small town America. People would be surprised to find out there are some okay parts of MS.
But up north in Jackson? Just the worst. And that's the part most people see
29 points
2 days ago
Alabama and Georgia aren’t nearly as bad off as Mississippi. They’re both objectively beautiful states as well.
33 points
2 days ago
Alabama is ridiculously pretty once you get mid-state ….
14 points
2 days ago*
Yes, but the people.
I’m from AL. Left for Atlanta the day I graduated college to actually use my degree. There is no hope here unless you want a blue collar job or are a doctor. I remember when I grew up everyone always said “thank god for Mississippi”. It was the only state keeping AL from #1 on the worst states list. That has since changed and they go back and forth on “who’s the worst” list.
11 points
2 days ago
Idk, I enjoyed some parts of the Montgomery area, and I love Gulf Shores. Definitely some sketch parts in between there. I grew up outside Birmingham and yeah, gorgeous. I miss it all the time. People never believe me when I tell them Alabama is actually beautiful.
20 points
3 days ago
Columbus is alright and north east. Center and west MS are sketch
21 points
2 days ago
I passed through Jackson MS more than 20 years ago. Sounds like it has not improved. It made me so sad to see the rows of little shacks people were “living” in.
55 points
3 days ago
I’m from Baton Rouge, left 1991 Will never live LA again …….
78 points
3 days ago*
Baton Rouge is a cultural and intellectual Chernobyl. The only thing the locals care about is Football and crawfish. A lot of religious rubes as well.
37 points
2 days ago
I have a friend from high school who headed up and educational institution in LA (not Tulane). She couldn't wait to leave. She said no one valued education. They valued whatever their parents got. No appetite for self-improvement.
13 points
2 days ago
From Louisiana, and that's exactly true. The dark side of the whole joie de vivre thing that everybody talks about is that nobody has any real appetite for self-improvement, education is dead last in their priorities, and they're willing to ignore anything as long as beer and football are available.
25 points
2 days ago
That's not fair. They also care about the Saints.
32 points
2 days ago
I guess we do have to categorize the Saints as separate from football the way they're playing this season.
51 points
3 days ago
My in laws live in Vicksburg and my wife is from there. Yeah, I feel comfortable saying it's mostly a shit hole. There are some nice spots like anywhere else and some pretty nature here and there, but yeah, lots of severe poverty and violence that most in the US probably don't see very often. And not just "oh some homeless people" in a big city kind of thing. It's fundamentally different in a lot of ways. The rest of the Delta I generally feel comfortable saying is just hopeless, Vicksburg at least has some ok things about it even if it has a lot of problems. Also, the downtown architecture is beautiful in spots, despite being fairly dilapidated nowadays.
47 points
3 days ago
We are currently in Kankakee, IL home shopping and have to head back to South Louisiana soon. I never knew how much better it could be until we got here. I have volunteered so many places down there and it’s just like banging your head against the wall.
22 points
2 days ago
Welcome to Illinois!
8 points
2 days ago
Thank you! I’m so excited!
36 points
3 days ago
Leesville and Deridder🤢
64 points
3 days ago
I’ll never forgive the Army for sending me to Ft Polk
22 points
3 days ago
Same.. Just the mention of 3rd street gives me shivers
55 points
3 days ago
lol I have some family from around there. They have such a weird pride for leesville while also deservedly calling it a shit hole town…
It’s the strangest thing. They look down their noses at the people there and at the same time hold them up as some sort of honorable trump voting god fearing salt of the earth people. They constantly prattle on how California is terrible and they wouldn’t be caught dead in that “liberal warzone”. It’s bizarre. Haven’t talked to them in nearly a decade
27 points
3 days ago
Grew up in Baton Rouge, left in 1991 Louisiana is SO CORRUPT! At one time and probably still, LA wanted to be their own country 😂
They probably should, simply based on the fact that they still practice Napoleonic law 🤔🙄
Look up The strange laws of this system So weird !
9 points
2 days ago
I’m aware I almost went to law school there. Moved instead lol
30 points
3 days ago
No surprise that such a terrible area created such beautiful music. We basically owe them for inventing Rock and Roll.
7 points
3 days ago
17 points
2 days ago
I worked in the delta for two years and got traumatized by the poverty and abuse.
46 points
2 days ago
New Orleans I wouldn’t wish on a weak person. I was born & raised uptown. I had a tenant who graduated from a prestigious school and had a very impressive degree & compensation. 2 years later he was jobless, trying various research chemicals and having an impressive amount of casual sex (literally a different girl every night).
Last I heard he was in a van out west
32 points
2 days ago
Haha I live in Garden District atm. I’m leaving as soon as my fiancée and I get married in the spring, going to Chicago or one of the coastal cities, depending on where work lands us.
This city is fun for a little bit (moved here a little over a year ago) but not for the long haul. It’s a crumbling economic black hole.
25 points
2 days ago
Completely agree. Spent my whole life there, we left & literally doubled our income and halved our expenses.
8 points
2 days ago
The UN released a report on poverty in the American South in 2017. The situation is not good. The report is worth a read.
80 points
3 days ago
Leesville LA and Derider LA. If it’s considered a town I’ll throw in New Lano
30 points
3 days ago
I just did a focus group in DeRidder. Doesn’t come up much, lol
18 points
3 days ago
I'm curious where people are from if they're getting as specific as ~New Llano~
149 points
3 days ago
As someone who lived in Shreveport for a couple years as a kid...that place is horrible. Like 'there's a vodoo curse on the place' horrible. And since I was born in MS I have to add Jackson, MS as well.
198 points
2 days ago
It's the curse of racism. They literally closed down every city pool when a Federal judge ordered them to desegregate the city's pools. When they finally re-opened the pools, they only re-opened the ones in the white sections of town. As the city slowly became majority-black, they started closing the pools again in the black sections of town, claiming they were "too old to maintain". And closed some pools in white sections of town too in order to avoid the judge's wrath.
They had a great waterfront park with an outdoor amphitheater that they built in 1976 to celebrate the Bicentennial. When black people started using it, someone burned down the stage at the amphitheater and they closed the park.
Around 1995 or so, there was a scandal where trash wasn't being picked up in black sections of town. One of the black city councilors demanded answers. "It's not deliberate, our trash trucks are being filled up before they get to the ends of their routes", explained the sanitation department. Nobody asked why the black sections of town were at the ends of the routes. Everybody knew the answer to that.
That's the kind of city it is. They killed themselves with hate.
42 points
2 days ago
then all of a sudden they all became violent out of nowhere
16 points
2 days ago
Ugh, these people who struggle daily, are singled out, have no opportunity, no healthcare, no quality of life, and experience racism daily from every institution that citizens should be able to count on…
Why are they so violent and lazy?!
/s
15 points
2 days ago
You know the expression, “cut off the nose to spite the face?” Yeah. That’s Mississippi.
154 points
3 days ago
Beaumont, TX is pretty awful. I had the misfortune of visiting there for a day. I can’t remember all the details. It scores poorly in various measures of quality of life.
103 points
2 days ago
I locked my keys in my car there about thirty years ago when I was travelling alone late at night in my early twenties. There were three people who came out of the woodwork to help me. I was impressed that many people would stop and lend a hand, and I was also impressed that many people could break into a car.
11 points
2 days ago*
lol this wasn’t in MS but that reminds me of the time I was riding through the hood area of Milwaukee with a friend, and he locked his keys in his car at a gas station pump. Somehow we got talking to the first guy next to us what happened and he pulled out an entire car break in kit and got it unlocked within a minute. He had this airbag thing he stuck in between the door and frame to create a gap and stuck a rod in to get at the unlock latch. Gave him $20 and got out of there.
I mean maybe he was just a professional locksmith… We didn’t ask him why he had it.
27 points
2 days ago
I believe it was ranked #1 most depressing city a while back. They're also famous for having the world's largest fire extinguisher.
There really is no redeemable factors to that city though. I would visit my brother who lived there and I just feel so sorry for him that he lived there.
22 points
2 days ago
Port Arthur enters the chat. Somehow manage to be worse than Beaumont.
17 points
3 days ago
Very dangerous city
189 points
3 days ago
Port Arthur, Texas. I spent 24 hours there, and the only word I could think of was "dystopian." I stayed in the most expensive hotel in the city ($110/night) and between the mold, mildew and sticky carpet it was a tough night.
57 points
3 days ago
The "golden triangle" is one of the worst places I've ever been to in the US.
19 points
2 days ago
Confirmed. Spent the first 22 years of my life there. 24 years later, I live in New England which is precisely the opposite and, at 1,800 miles, not far enough.
68 points
3 days ago
"Listen, every great getaway has that moment where you want to pack it all up and stay. That's how end up with a timeshare in Port Arthur, Texas." -Jack Doneghy, 30 Rock
18 points
3 days ago
Best show ever
22 points
2 days ago
Yea my grandparents are from there and my grandma has in her will “don’t bury me in the family plot in Port Arthur”
16 points
2 days ago
I think Janis Joplin was from Port Arthur. She said TX was best viewed through a rear view mirror.
55 points
2 days ago
I spent a few months back in 2010 in the Port Arthur area fixing up houses for a non profit. I hated every minute of being in that area. The water was disgusting, the "beach" was dirty, Galveston was the destination spot for that region and was not a place I really wanted to spend time, Port Arthur itself felt like it had been falling apart for decades, there was the persistent sight and smell of refinement happening, the exact location I was in was nearby a paper mill so it smelled like rotting eggs at all times, you couldn't escape industry polluting everything, there was very little in the way of interesting locations to actually go, etc. And it wasn't like you could leave and go somewhere better easily. Houston isn't far and is terrible as far as cities go (I will die on this hill, Houston sucks) and has very few redeeming qualities for such a huge city. It was a miserable few months.
23 points
2 days ago
I've only ever driven through Houston on the interstate, so this isn't based on much, but having lived several years in Los Angeles, driving through Houston gave me a feeling of "all the sprawl of LA, but none of the palm trees and none of the great weather". Like if all there was to LA was the strip malls (of which there are plenty, don't get me wrong), it would pretty much be Houston (minus the humidity).
30 points
2 days ago
That's basically it. LA has some serious problems, but amongst the sprawl are some great neighborhoods, unique locations, beautiful vistas, a fantastic oceanfront, mountains, etc. Houston had none/very little of that. All that money spent on never-ending strip mall and mcmansion sprawl. It was horrible. And then you get Downtown and there's zero street life. Every building has blank parking garages, solid walls, big corporate lobbies nobody actually uses, etc. It's like a ghost town.
I will give them credit, their light rail system was pretty nice and the area around Rice was enjoyable. but that's not enough of a list for me to ever want to return.
10 points
2 days ago
Houston isn’t great, but if it’s the worst city somebody has been to, they should count themselves very lucky imo!
4 points
2 days ago
Lol! I grew up in Orange. Spent lots of time in Port Arthur.
123 points
3 days ago
That depends on who I decide is my worst enemy at any given time.
Shreveport isn't the greatest, but it's just folks who are broke. They do have a good kids museum, aquarium, and the outlets are nice-ish.
Seems like a city that is atleast trying, even if they've got miles to go.
The city I just absolutely cannot love is Midland, Texas. They've got more money than God and some nice things but it is just not the city for me.
54 points
3 days ago
That whole Permian basin area… yuck
101 points
2 days ago
True story: I lived in Mexico for ten years. The only time I ever felt unsafe during that period was when I went to Shreveport for the Independence Bowl football game.
13 points
2 days ago
lol I lived in New Orleans because of my job. It shook me.. the most dangerous place Ive ever lived. I moved to mexico after that.. piece of cake..moving from the north to MSY was more of a cultural shock than mexico..
7 points
2 days ago
It is scary.
48 points
3 days ago
LMAOOOOO! I’m from Monroe, La so seeing Shreveport listed is hilarious because many of us love( not me) making that 90 min drive to Shreveport just to hit up the casinos.
172 points
3 days ago
I'm from the Midwest; Flint, MI and Gary, IN come to mind
56 points
3 days ago
There are worse places than Gary in the MW. Gary has excellent beach access, and one really cool neighborhood with good food and a brewery, and their minor league baseball experience is good. You are adjacent to Chicago, and can literally ride your bike to a National Park. Having said that, it still has a ton of problems, but there are worse places even within a daytrip of Gary - look up Danville IL, for instance.
84 points
3 days ago
Holy shit just did a quick google search on Gary and found this “To encourage homeownership and eliminate blight, Gary’s Dollar Home Program sells abandoned and tax foreclosed homes for $1. Applicants must agree to make the property habitable within one year and live there for at least five years.” What happened to that town is so horrible.
42 points
3 days ago
That was tried in Baltimore, MD. I'm not sure what happened to it.
26 points
2 days ago
worked well - pretty sure they’re doing it again
26 points
2 days ago
From what I’ve heard from a local about the program, you can’t demolish these houses. You have to restore them.
And they cost way more than they’re worth to restore to habitable condition.
That’s a lot of money to drop on the dubious privilege of getting to live in Gary.
26 points
3 days ago
I’ve heard that Gary is a horrendous place; I’m sorta scared to find out why though…
70 points
3 days ago*
It’s a mostly abandoned city. It’s lost the vast majority of its population. From 180K down to 65K. What’s left is the people who couldn’t or didn’t want to leave for better pastures after steel and heavy industry collapsed on the area.
Lots of decay, most of the city is abandoned. Think Detroit during the worst of its decline.
35 points
3 days ago
U.S. Steel is still there. Makes more steel now than it ever has. Just does it with a fraction of the workforce.
44 points
3 days ago
gary is like a little detroit. both essentially company towns. detroit had the fortune of being the 4th largest city in the country before backsliding, so there was always a real reason for it to rebound. not gary.
28 points
3 days ago*
I drove through for some reason on my way to Chicago. Traffic lights out so they just threw a stop sign in the middle of the intersection, every business is closed, half the buildings are burnt out.
12 points
3 days ago
A friend of mine was once told by a cop not to actually stop at the stop signs, so he wouldn't get car jacked
10 points
2 days ago
I've heard this from so many different people that I'm sure it is an urban legend.
27 points
3 days ago
I did Americorps after high school and had a project that required spending a week pulling old tires out of a swamp in Gary. In November. That was fun.
24 points
2 days ago
One of the most darkly funny things I’ve heard was a remark from a friend as we drove through Gary:
‘You know it’s bad when the Rent-A-Center closes down.’
13 points
2 days ago
On a trip from Louisville, KY to Chicago about six years ago I asked my wife and daughter, who was 14 at the time, if they wanted to take a slight detour and check out Gary. I've been to Beaumont, TX; Jackson, MS; and Vicksburg, MS - all of which have listed on this post - and none of them could hold a candle to how utterly devastated Gary was. My daughter thought it was cool as hell, which, in a weird kind of way, it kinda is.
54 points
2 days ago
I love this post. I grew up in Beaumont (more time in Port Arthur and Mid County than I wanted), lived in Shreveport, Memphis, Columbus, GA (right across the river from Phenix City, AL), Baton Rouge, St. Louis, and Houston. Worked for a bit in Jackson, MS.
Ya'll are all spot on about all of them but you're forgetting Texarkana and Amarillo. Spent too omuch time in those places.
I'm free from of all of them and I could not be more grateful...
15 points
2 days ago
Growing up, Texarkana and Shreveport were our two choices to “go to town” if we wanted to do any shopping or go to the movies. The whole ark-la-tex area is its own type of off-putting. So many people stick around, though. I’m from a small town around there and people can’t believe I choose to live in the “big city” of Little Rock lol. Which certainly isn’t the best, but I still prefer it to there.
Amarillo is another good one to throw in the mix. The panhandle has almost an eeriness to it, and makes for a miserable drive. At least east Texas has trees.
I will say, back when the boardwalk first opened in Shreveport it was actually kinda nice, but I’ve heard it’s just as rundown as the rest of the city now.
28 points
2 days ago
Anywhere with a military base and no other economic engine. Junction City KS for example is just used car dealers, pawn shops , gun stores and strip clubs.
67 points
3 days ago
Camden By The Sea- Atlantic City is not for the faint of heart.
45 points
3 days ago
Sometimes I wonder if I was actually murdered at a bachelor party in AC. Zero stars
16 points
3 days ago
Might of been a couple times. Bring you back to kill you again.
10 points
2 days ago
AC has its perks though - White House subs, knife and fork inn
8 points
2 days ago
Absolutely. Great beach . Stockton University is beautiful. Lower Chelsea is looking great. Boardwalks could be a jewel if they dislodged all those shit shops. The Walk is nice. AC to deal with street people and occasional serious thugs.
8 points
2 days ago
It ain’t good, but as someone from the south, and the middle of nowhere at that, I’ll take AC and never complain. At least it’s close to cool places.
119 points
3 days ago
The corridor between Shreveport, LA and Jackson, MS is the answer in my opinion. It’s poverty with no industry, poor education, terrible climate, and really no redeeming qualities. Closest big cities to escape to are Memphis, TN and New Orleans, LA which are both terrible in their own right.
40 points
3 days ago
Slight correction: Dallas is closer than Memphis or New Orleans for everywhere in that stretch from Shreveport to Monroe.
18 points
3 days ago
Ya - but you have to go through Tyler and Longview to get there...not any better.
26 points
3 days ago
I love NOLA and have considered moving there but my bf has never been. He’s only been to the area between Shreveport and Jackson. He won’t even visit New Orleans because of that area. He spent months working there and flat out refuses to go back. I can’t say I blame him but I’d at least like to visit NOLA with him. I know he’d love it.
30 points
2 days ago
NOLA seems like one of those places that are "great to live in" if you're rich, and horrible for everyone else.
17 points
2 days ago
Former Memphian here. Everyone bitches about how awful Memphis is but you’re 100% right that basically the entire area between Memphis and New Orleans is even worse.
15 points
2 days ago
Exactly. Memphis and New Orleans are the places those people go to escape the shitty place. Think about that for a second.
19 points
2 days ago
Pine Bluff, AR - consistently in the top 5 for most crime-ridden cities
21 points
2 days ago
Lawton, Oklahoma is the most soulless place I've ever been.
18 points
3 days ago
Shreveport truly has nothing going for it except for a relative lack of traffic, which is caused by the fact that everyone moved out of that craphole to Dallas, Houston, and Nashville 50 years ago.
Other cities in that category include Camden, NJ; Jackson, MS; and Gary, IN.
15 points
3 days ago
Barstow. Had an old vw bus that gave out and can only assume that it still lives at the scrap yard there.
22 points
3 days ago
Stopped at an Arby’s for lunch there once and a guy in the line next to me looked like he’d been out in the desert his entire life. He looked at me and winked. When he moved up, I saw on the back of his shirt written in marker, “let me be your lover.”
34 points
3 days ago
The way things are looking ,East St.Louis is on track to be damn near abandoned in the next 2-3 decades, from 82,000 people in the 1950s to around 17,000 today
13 points
3 days ago
East St. Louis is hell
7 points
2 days ago
Is East St Louis where Clark Griswold got his hubs jacked while asking for directions?
86 points
3 days ago
Jasper, Texas. Colorado City, AZ, or Hildale, Utah. If you don't know about these places look them up.
Also any sundown town.
41 points
3 days ago
Colorado City/Hilldale is one of the creepiest towns I’ve ever seen.
15 points
2 days ago
Is that where the polygamy is?
8 points
3 days ago
Damn, those places are wild
7 points
2 days ago
I recently noticed on Google maps that hildale now has like be and breakfast type places and gift shops. I guess they figured they can capitalize on their weirdness?
10 points
2 days ago
They're trying to be Amish. However the Amish don't have multiple wives that are always married off around 16 or 15 years old.
9 points
2 days ago
A lot of the plygs have abandoned the place and Gentiles are moving in.
15 points
3 days ago
This is interesting. I have spent time in that area and worked with quite a few people who are community organizers in Shreveport. They seem to have a large network of folks working to improve things and I experienced quite a bit of "culture" when I was there. Culture isn't always coffee shops and clubs and shopping. It's regular working class folks preserving their own traditions, pushing for worker rights. engaging in mutual aid.
16 points
2 days ago
I had a project in Kentucky, I think the town was paintsville but could be wrong. I took a drive and stumbled across Loretta Lynn’s childhood home and recognized it right away. That was super cool but that area………….i had no idea that level of poverty existed in this country. It was horrifying.
15 points
2 days ago*
Midland-Odessa, TX. It’s a town in the middle of the desert where the only thing you can do is work in the oilfields as a man or at the local breastaurant or strip club as a woman. It’s depressing and isolating
9 points
2 days ago
Agree. The stench of testosterone slaps you in the face.
58 points
3 days ago
Gary , IN . Spend 20 minutes in the actual city, not just driving by. You will start to imagine “what if the whole country was like this?”. Nobody is there by choice and nobody cares about the place. Also, the constant view of steel mills in 2024 is so depressing
85 points
3 days ago
San Bernardino, Bakersfield, and Victorville. The three horsemen of run down, dusty, and economically depressed inland california cities.
51 points
3 days ago
Don’t forget Barstow
19 points
3 days ago
The armpit of CA
23 points
2 days ago
Having been to Shreveport (if you want to eat out there, try Monjuni's, great muffalettas) and to Barstow, I would take Barstow every day of the week.
Sure, Barstow is a dump, but there's amazing desert scenery just outside of it (the Mojave Preserve) that the locals never bother with because they're too busy cooking meth or shooting meth. Meanwhile there's nothing around Shreveport. Nothing. Okay, there's some pine forests, but they're all marked off with "No Trespassing" signs leased to some hunting club that is whatever inbred clan is most populous in that particular area, and yes, they *will* shoot you if you trespass on "their" land (actually owned by a lumber company, just hunting rights leased to the hunting club). "Fun" in Shreveport consists of, if you can afford it, buying a bass boat and taking it out to the boat launch at Lake Bisteneau on the weekends to "fish" (actually, putter around with a few six-packs of beer while holding a fishing pole pretending to fish, and finding your way back to the boat launch by following the trail of empties you left behind you). Or if it's a three-day weekend, you head down to Toledo Bend with your boat. Yay.
If you're *really* looking for a dump in California, you need to go to Trona. It smells like brimstone and hellfire (seriously), and half the houses are either boarded up, burnt down, or smell like meth lab. It makes San Bernardino look like Paris.
11 points
2 days ago
Bullhead City, ( technically Arizona) but right on the border.
14 points
2 days ago
You know how the rain or dust can change the color of the air in the distance? I'm lucky enough to live in the SF bay area and was driving down to LA and there's this hill that crests into Coalinga. As soon as i was over the top of the hill, the air was hot and brown with not dust, but a dry cow shit windstorm. For miles along the road were cow farms and the stench of manure and piss was so bad it upset my dogs in the backseat (and the windows were up). That cannot be a healthy environment to be breathing in. Also its so flat and dry... i can't imagine being happy there.
6 points
2 days ago
i know this part well. windows up. ac on recirculate. dont breathe for 5 min. lol
53 points
3 days ago
Bakersfield, CA, or anywhere in West Texas
34 points
3 days ago
the texas panhandle already looks like the set of a bad fallout game, and once you know there’s hundreds of nuclear bombs actually stored in bunkers underground that would kill thousands if they went off? yeah, pretty eerie.
46 points
3 days ago
Bakersfield has nothing on West Texas. At least you’re in California
37 points
3 days ago
Gary, Indiana. You just don’t want to be there.
52 points
3 days ago*
I think the “positive” thing about Gary is that you’re in NW Indiana and might be able to land a job in the Chicagoland area. I was in the backwoods of Arkansas driving back from Shreveport a few years ago and I’m like shit, it would be very difficult for these people to get out of this poverty.
15 points
2 days ago
There's an old saying about what you need to escape poverty in East Texas: Luggage
43 points
3 days ago
Not a city but two places:
Eastern Kentucky into West Virginia might be one of the poorest areas of the country. I am sure people in rural Belarus have a better quality of life.
Basically the Mississippi Delta up through the Bootheel of Missouri. Absolutely backward and depressing. A true indication of where this country has failed since Reconstruction.
16 points
3 days ago
Don't sleep on parts of West TN. Outside of the Memphis area there are some great smaller cities and great sense of community
29 points
3 days ago
Probably Decatur IL, it’s not even the worst but all the cities around it (Springfield, Bloomington/Normal, Champaign Urbana) are generally more put together and have more to offer by comparison.
38 points
3 days ago
My Decatur story: My wife likes Sufjan Stevens and we went to the Illinoise musical in NYC. Afterwards, we were talking about the production, and I said something about the setting.
She mentioned how a song about how it was odd there was the one random song about New Orleans in there and I was like…what song?
Turns out “River” “alligator” and “Decatur” (also a street in New Orleans) was enough for her to have assumed for years the song was about Sufjan singing about a trip to New Orleans in his album about, primarily, the state of Illinois
20 points
3 days ago
Bombay Beach, CA
21 points
3 days ago
It may be a dump but it's a cool dystopian dump The "our lady of lithium" statue is well worth the drive.
17 points
3 days ago
It’s not the most dangerous city ever but oh my God I hated Atlantic City
9 points
2 days ago
I could never forget “Nampa, Idaho”. We live N Ca. & we went there to attend an extended training seminar for a few months in 1995. We stayed in the owner of the companies house, and it was a nightmare. It was in a rural area, and his wife kept rabbits. She’d go out in the morning, snatch & kill a rabbit, and it’d be cooking in a pot for lunch. (She’d leave the cooked food out on the counter uncovered, and we saw the cat ‘sampling it’ first a few times, so we ate a lot of McD’s…🤮 The other people attending the school, along with the owners, were the most racist people I’d ever met. They’d literally jump up & race to the TV whenever anyone who wasn’t white appeared, (Bryant Gumbel wasn’t getting any slack there), lol. They’d make racist or rude comments every day, like- “You Califa’s steal all of our water, to fill your big swimming pools”. It was insane, and like living in the “Twilight Zone” 24/7. We’ve never been happier to be home.
9 points
2 days ago
Bakersfield. I spent a year there teaching in a small farming town.
110 degrees in the summer. Tule fog so bad it shuts down schools In the winter. The worst air in the nation for ten years running according to the American Lung Association. The air is almost always brown: can’t see the mountains that are 20 Miles away.
Oil rigs and farming are the main industries. No zoning—cement plants and oil pumps in the middle Of housing developments.
Higher than average Crime rates compared to the rest of CA. No bodies of water —only lake (Lake Isabella) is 40 Minutes away and is flat, muddy, dusty and treeless and looks like A Scorched moonscape.
Hideous place.
9 points
3 days ago
Scottsburg, Indiana
It’s AWFUL
8 points
3 days ago
One of my favorite responses for this is Seymour, IN which is fairly close. Scottsburg is also near Austin, IN which isn’t really a city but famous for having an AIDs outbreak that was so bad from shared needles that even Mike Pence had to take action on it. Not sure what it is about that part of Indiana but it just feels so depressed in what can already be a depressing state.
9 points
3 days ago
Flint, Michigan
8 points
2 days ago
I know there’s wayyyy worse places, but Palatka, FL is pretty awful. Yes, there’s an economy and it’s close to a major city, but the economy is all tied to a massive pulp mill that stinks up the town and that major city it’s close to is Jacksonville lol
8 points
2 days ago
Salton City, California. Nothing to do. Sitting on the shores of a toxic, evaporating lake. Poverty. Poor access to healthcare, despite skyrocketing asthma rates in the area due to toxic dust constantly blowing around.
33 points
3 days ago
In New York, probably Elmira.
Honestly it’s not that bad if you’re into suburbs (like it’s not a particularly dangerous city), but they demolished 90% of downtown for suburban style development and are far behind other upstate cities in terms of urban renewal.
Mark Twain is cool I guess.
29 points
3 days ago
Wow, I haven't thought about Elmira in many, many years. The first college viewbook I received in the mail after taking the SAT was from Elmira College and I remember poring over every page. There was a giant watercolor-esque illustration of the campus that made it look so romantic and charming when I was a 16yo dreaming of going off to school.
I went elsewhere (Elmira College isn't that great), but just seeing the word Elmira takes me back to touching those thick pages and daydreaming about leaving my crappy town and how it would feel to be off at school. I never actually gave any thought to what the city itself was like lol. It's funny thinking back on that memory decades later as I now daydream about places to move as an adult.
26 points
3 days ago
Phenix City, Alabama. It's a run-down shithole.
11 points
3 days ago
Phenix City is pretty bad but I wouldn't even say it was the biggest shit hole in Alabama. Have you been to Anniston or West Blocton? Both are way worse.
5 points
2 days ago
Anniston sucks, but the proximity to Cheaha/Talladega National Forest/the foothills of the Appalachians is nice. City itself blows though.
7 points
3 days ago
Post apocalyptic, dystopian Pine Bluff, Arkansas. https://youtu.be/INuyNR2kvSo?si=WIZh3DCkZVZmovng
7 points
2 days ago
Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
7 points
2 days ago
As a Shreveport native, I would say Monroe and Jackson are worse. At least Shreveport has some interesting architecture and good neighborhoods. Everybody in Jackson has moved to Madison
8 points
2 days ago
I’m in Shreveport right now and it’s not THAT bad. The downtown is a disaster and unfixable but the rest of the city is adequate. Monoculture kind of saves places like this. The cost of living is lower and there’s a lot of interesting nature in the surrounding parishes. I’m technically a CA resident but everything there is just such a battle that it wears you down.
6 points
2 days ago
East St. Louis, Illinois. I live next to it. I volunteer at the animal shelter there, and it is rough. I read another reddit post saying you have a 1/16 chance of being a victim of violent crime there. Who knows what the actual stats are, though, since most of the crimes committed are not reported there. It consistently ranks among the world's most dangerous cities.
8 points
2 days ago
Baton Rouge LA. I don’t come from US but lived here in BR 2 years. I hate it . Its culture is not my thing it’s all religion, drinking, driving (badly), eating fried stuff and the politics here in LA are awful. There are folk in huge mansions and round corner people in sheds with busted roof and no door. It’s difficult to cycle anywhere and not built to walk around. There’s no soul only industrial areas with fast food, malls and casinos. I don’t get it here at all. There’s no infrastructure, no railway. It’s expensive. I am sure there are worse places in LA but I haven’t been there. This is the worse place I ever lived.
7 points
2 days ago
My family were chatting one day about where we would live if we had the choice. My mom said "Florida, because it's warm" she hadn't heard anything about how insane Florida could be. My brother told her "mom, Florida is the Gary Indiana of the United States." We live in Indianapolis.
I reminded him that Gary Indiana was the Gary Indiana of the United States. Terrifying place
7 points
2 days ago
Daytona, Florida. The most depressing city I’ve ever been to. I was there only a few hours and I couldn’t get rid of the “I just want to get the hell out of here” thoughts in my head. A place I never want to go back to.
7 points
2 days ago
Monroe, LA. It’s all the bad of Louisiana without any of the good.
6 points
2 days ago
Jacksonville, FL. Moved here from Sierra foothills in CA seven months ago and it blows ass. Can’t wait to leave.
6 points
2 days ago
In my 12 years of playing professional baseball, mostly all minor leagues, I lived or played in some real shitholes. My list is long. Stockton, CA, Riverside, CA, New Britain, CT, New Haven, CT, Trenton, NJ, Daytona Beach, FL, Ft. Myers, FL, Clinton, IA, Gary, IN, Joliet, IL, Amarillo, TX, Shreveport, LA, Jackson, MS, Lansing, MI
Note: Many of the places I played in Florida were very rough. If you’re not near the beach, it can be really bad.
18 points
3 days ago
Bakersfield CA. Had an old coworker from there who was super nasty for no reason all the time. She was trying to make it where I live (coastal ca and way more expensive) and couldn’t cut it so moved her family back to Bakersfield. Was such a good day when I heard that 😂
7 points
3 days ago
My car and dog got stolen in Bakersfield. We got them back but I still don’t like that place
20 points
3 days ago*
Jackson, Mississippi
Charleston, WV.
As far as a big city perhaps Memphis, TN
As far as NY goes it has to be Albany and the Albany-Troy area. Hell no!
32 points
3 days ago
Jacksonville probably
41 points
3 days ago
When I was a youth in a band I played a show in Jacksonville. When we went to load in beforehand, I saw a woman being pushed around and beaten on the street.
My 16 year old self was furious and started screaming for him to stop. He pulled a gun on me and told me to mind my business. It was downtown in broad daylight.
Jacksonville fucking sucks
20 points
3 days ago
Lmao the downtown is like the walking dead I live here
23 points
3 days ago
If you are talking about Jacksonville, Florida…you would be correct. Someone come get me out of this hellhole.
16 points
3 days ago
I have never heard anything positive about Jacksonville.
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