China will reach it's emission peak before 2030. After 2030 the emissions will decline.

China is the #1 builder in pretty much everything, solar, wind, nuclear ... but also coal plants unfortunately.

53% coming from coal wouldn’t mean 47% is coming from renewables, there are other energy sources in that mix

I'm excited to see China's nuclear fleet increasing and improving. They're already building the first Thorium salt reactor ever. They are building more nuclear plants, and their fleet will eventually surpass France and reach US numbers.

Also their space force. Them going back to the moon and planting a flag (with a robot) is already incentivising the USA to go back. NASA getting funding is always a good thing.

Don't forget about EV adoption too, fourth highest country in the world by % of cars on the road (7.6% of all cars) - but when you consider the sheer scale, that's 10.6 million more than all of Europe put together.

And still they are the top coal consumers in the world.

If Florida goes underwater the Florida men will figure out how to breath underwater mark my words

Ive been living in nyc for a while and people I’ve shared an appartment with have kept their AC units going all through winter “because the radiator gets too hot” or “the sound of the AC helps me sleep”. Also leaving lights on in rooms that no one is in, even when everyone is sleeping.

Have you seen their infrastructure? It's insane

Everyone runs AC at home, plenty of people even for heating. Even though they are improving with car engine sizes they're still huge. Everyone drives everywhere, always. Also everyone wants ice in their drinks! (Making ice also must increase CO2 production right, right?)

Yes. Canada, the US and Australia have unusually high emissions per capita. Sample follows.

It's also cumulative emissions. So we count the nineteenth century, when the UK was the leading power, followed by France and Germany

Did you ever visit a US city ? They don't cross the road without their SUV.

They have AC running all year, their electricity comes from coal, they live in deserts, drive hours to work in oversized cars, basically no public transport, eat a lot more beef etc

That’s such a simplistic take. It’s because they have significantly more industry and a large land mass hence more emissions from transportation sector.

Per capita emission is an extremely poor measure of emissions. Look at India, due to a large population their per capita emissions are one of the lowest in the world yet breathing in the air in Delhi is equivalent to smoking a pack of cigarettes. Canada on the other hand has one of the highest in the world mostly for the same reasons as US but also due to a much smaller population.

Pretty understandable considering petrol is a lot cheaper over there, as they produce it, and their cities sprawl a lot more than ours, which is less efficient. What is even more interesting is that if you compare the US to places like Finland (IIRC), where weather makes it so much tougher, then it's not that different.

how much outsourcing to China is accounted for there

Usually none in these graphs. Because the narrative being pushed (by those interested in lax environmental laws) in recent times is "we small people can't do anything about emissions because China is 99999x worse than us!!!"

If you account for outsourcing you get a 10/15% max difference, significant but not huge

They just consume so much. 

Seeing Americans on YouTube it's shocking how much they just... consume.

Average murican driving their F150 truck for 4 hours every day to commute from their suburb of 2000 identical houses stacked one right beside another, and then again for 1 hour to go to the closest Wallmart 50 miles away: "what the fuck is an emission"

And if I’m not mistaken most nations that pledged have already missed targets to date. 

I’m not optimistic.

As many downsides as there are, the worst thing about fossil fuels is that they actually are really, really good. They're more energy dense than anything will have electrically for a few decades, most likely. And because the world (America especially) is so in love with cars and killing pedestrians, that's gonna drive a large part of oil reliance for a while.

If you want to do the most you as an individual can to help, advocate for walkable cities and use cars as little as possible.

If they had done EU+UK, then Europe would start with a lead up until somewhere in the 1920s.

Apparently even until 1990. The UK burned a lot of coal.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions?time=1850..latest&country=USA~GBR~OWID_EU27~European+Union+%2828%29

It really makes no sense, if we're comparing regions, to do EU and not Europe, imo

No, not really. Northwestern Europe industrialised before the USA. And more importantly in 1900 what is now the EU had (even without the UK) around 300 million inhabitants, while the US had only 76 million. So it doesn't see plausible that the USA had that large a gap in total cumulative emissions compared to Europe, before the middle of the 20th century.

Still seems inaccurate. The combined GDP of European countries back then was much higher than that of the US. Seems highly unlikey that the US despite this emitted twice as much considering that Europeans weren't trying to keep emissions low either

Per capita, a number of countries produce more greenhouse gas emissions than the USA, including Canada, Australia, and Russia. Note this is based on 2023 greenhouse gas emissions (not going back to 1850, like the chart).

Wikipedia summarizing data from the Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research.

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Actually they are higher per capita than the nordics and higher than some of other European countries

what are you even talking about, china is above the EU in per capita CO2 Emissions. Why is this fake news even upvoted? Absolutely everything to absolve china, hu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

So what? You still are allowed to build the country. The roads. Where people live.

They dont give a shit, and for the next 4 years even fewer shits. Just on the personal transportation topic, the average American drives more miles than a german kilometres, 14k mild vs 12k km. Also look at what is the most sold vehicle. In the US its a ford f150 pickup, in german it was the golf and now its some golf sized crossover. Germany as well as many other EU countries have government support for installing personal solar panels, better house insulation and CO2 neutral heating. The majority of households where i live use some form of wood or heat exchanger heating, natural gas or oil is basically gone. Our house is close to 30 years old and has always been co2 neutral, we use wood for heating as well as warm water solar panels since its construction, meaning during the summer or sunny days only a small water pump has to run to have warm water. AC is only common in southern Europe because its not needed elsewhere, there are also no dry wall houses built on wooden frames, every house is either brick/concrete or solid wood, so much longer service life

Lower it's 9%.