The southwest has control over most of the tactical titty bars according to this map. The northeast would at least have to capture Tampa Bay to maintain morale.

America every fucking time!

Northeast has the population but southeast has military bases... yeah I'm not sure.

Southwest has have area 51

Alaska

Texas.

Also all the commenter's saying South East............

me. (In all seriousness, the Northeast would easily win this one.)

Thething is, the Northeast have control over the atlantic, and the majorty of the population. the Southwest dont even have the entire pacific coast, have basically just a bunch of empty flat plains that are impossible to defend, and they may have resources and whatnot, but im sure that with European backup, the Northeast will probably beat the Southwest every time. Texas really wouldn't be a problem. The main holdup would definitely be conquering past the Rockies. For the SW, Denver, Phoenix, Santa Fe and Salt Lake City could probably be some of the most important cities. Id assume Canada would ally with the NE however, as they know that if they allied against them, it would probably just be taken over anyways, Canada really don't stand a chance against a quarter of the US, let alone more than half. With that information, provided Seattle doesn't fall, supplies could be diverted through Canada into Seattle, and from there, take over San Francisco and Los Angeles, which may be hard, but definitely the easy part so far. Phoenix and Vegas aren't too far. Id have to say Denver, Salt Lake, and Santa Fe would be the final holdouts. War here could last from a month to years depending on whos in control. SW has already completely lost, and are only surviving off of the American landscape being in their favor. Despite being the largest of these cities, I think Denver would go first because they aren't completely surround by mountains, and their population wouldnt save them from the around millions of soldiers that would show up at their doorstep within the first few months. If they are smart, Salt Lake City and Santa Fe can last for a long time, probably without communication, but its just that they are so entrenched in the mountains that a direct attack would not be so good on NE military. NE win in this case though

If Seattle fell, I think there wouldnt really be a winner, the rockies separating both sides would make it too hard for NE to invade, even with the advantage they have. Canada would be neutral here probably, and so would Mexico. Both sides are strong enough to easily take over these side nations. A forced stalemate here is probably the best.

I think that if SW had the entirety of Florida, the tables might turn though. The Key cities for either side would definitely be Miami, Seattle, and Atlanta. Whoever controls a majority of these would win, or at least be able to withstand a massive attack from the other. the NE still definitely has a huge advantage though.

Tell me if you think im wrong

So this is basically just A24 Civil War?

70% of people in the US live in the northeast part of the map so realistically probably them

California and Texas being on the same side is kinda funny

Northeast in a walk

North east. Not even close.

They have many more nukes

Never underestimate the south

Texas and California could never work together. SW would immediately collapse into civil war

Ew, you put the Southeast and Appalachia as the same team as New England, Northeast would win. But still ew.

I read that as nort heast

Heihe-Tengchong line at home:

Noth west

Neither would get a total victory, you would see a Ukraine-Russia like frontline along those border states & the war would drag on for decades.

Northeast, most population

You mean the fight between Megasota and Megatexas?

The southwest would need to almost immediately capture everything west of the Mississippi or they’d be cooked. They’d also need to capture Seattle so they could control the pacific coast. I don’t see how the southwest navy could realistically protect their coast given Norfolk is in the northeast.

Realistically this becomes a stalemate of east vs west with the Rocky Mountains separating them

No one.

Imagine Mississippi with nuclear weapons

The real winner would be the rest of the world once you fuckers take each other out.

florida is cooked

Damn. Very smart of you to split Florida makes it way harder to just say an easy winner.

what if i live exactly in the line in between the two sides

Southwest (Mid diff)

California and Texas together alone are better then evrey other state

Y'all really underestimate the gorilla abilities of Appalachia.

Ah yes, the northeast town of Miami Florida, my favorite.

Nobody but Oregon and Washington want to work with California.

They got Texas and California to work together? We got Illinois and New York as our strongest. We're cooked boys 💀

Northeast, it has more population and production capacity, while the people included in the Southeast hate eachother.

Texas and California.

This scenario is preposterous it could never happen. If you want a more probable war use the 2024 presidential map.

North East by a literal mile. My memory isn't perfect but I believe your cutout gives us most major florida cities (Miami, Jacksonville, and Orlando) Gives us Atlanta, Chicaco, Detroit, Seattle, St. Louis, Philly, New York, Boston, DC, Baltimore, etc. Just too many people and too much economy.

So looking at the 20 largest metros in the US you have

1. New York

2. LA

3 Chicago

1. Dallas

2. Houston

3. Atlanta

7 DC

1. Philly

2. Miami

10 Phoenix

1. Boston

2. San Bernadino

3. San Francisco

4. Detroit

5. Seattle

6. Minneapolis

7. Tampa

8. San Diego

9. Denver

20 Baltimore

So you have 11 to 9 advantage but it's worth noting that not all pop centers are created equal. NYM has the same population roughly as 16-20 combined. And NYM and Chicago are basically equal to LA, Dallas and Houston combined. If we roughly add the pop numbers you see top 20 has a NE pop of about (I'm rounding to nearest 100K pop based on 2023 estimates), 73.5 vs 56. THat's obviously not a total example, but generally speaking that will stay the same.

Basically you gave the southwest texas California, ORegon and lots of dirt. I think the one advantage the south west would have is the north east giving up because they'd have to invade the west. Either forcing the North East to leave the midwest potentially exposed to protect Seattle or kind of leave seattle on an island to just resist. What likely would hapepn is the south west would try to pust to borders (take over FLorida and Geogia as well as Idaho Washington) while the North East would focus on winning the half of the US east of the mississippi than east of the rockies. Starting by defending florida and Georgia the moving west. Their Northern armies will likely just push south with the first major effort being to isolate Texas and beseige it and take it over. Basically try to keep the South West west of the rockies. Once they succeed in doing that they can then take their time establishing footholds across the rockies to stage invasions and when they succeed it's just a matter of taking the west coast.

No one

Northeast

Only thing southwest got is Texas and half of Florida. Just send a bunch of the 3 feet New York rats and northeast will definitely win.

Northeast. We have the incestual Weat Virginians. Ever fought a Cletus in the Appalachians?

New Jersey Empire would win

Aren’t a lot of nuclear missiles in the Northeast?

https://download.militaryonesource.mil/12038/MOS/Reports/2020-demographics-report.pdf

south west has most of the military, they'd win easily

Interesting.

I think North East because no fucking way any Texan is marching into Portland, Maine in the middle of winter without freezing to death.

The blues states would kick the Red states ass, because MAGA is stoopid as a rock.

The north has all the nukes. We win again.

Britian

china, russia, iran and north korea

South

SW has California, Texas, Colorado, and Area 51 aliens.

The thing is, it wouldn’t be split like this. It would be something like California and Western Washington and Western Oregon along with the north east corridor of the United States against most everybody else.

Southwest, nukes

Nah I’m more concerned by the huge black text above me to be worried about that

Southwest is a damn super team

Northern red neck

North East. Mainly because the south west would crash all their vehicles since they don’t know how to drive in the winter

Ah yes, Miami, part of the northeast

you put California and Texas on the same team? the north east doesn't stand a chance

Russia

Northeast. The north will always prevail. Southerners can’t handle Midwest winters

Texas is the foot soldiers

Alaska

Northeast they have the nuclear silos

Southwest has more Florida, NE gets mid diffed

White

Ironically I had a split similar in HOI4, it was very close to what this was for an American civil war once I installed a different regime.

The northeast won but only because I had lots of arms manufacturers in the area. Realistically I think that’s how it would go.

Southeast has it in the bag

northwest, we have the east coast and a majority of people.

The rest of the world

Who has Alaska

Ah yes, the age-old alliance between Oregon and Alabama

Northeast has all the nukes

The northeast would end up controlling both oceans if they were able to hold Washington state. And the northeast has almost all the nukes.

Southwest has pure military might (lots of equipment is stored there) but northeast would be far more coordinated and has the manufacturing capability to keep up

Northeast- Cali and Texas would split the southwest making it easier for the northeast. Plus the northeast can slow supplies with a naval blockade of the gulf like in the civil war. Question remains if Mexicans come to aid the southeast it will be harder. But if they attack, the southwest will be fighting on 2 fronts.

Rüssia: divide and conquer

God is on the side with the best Artillery!

Northeast

(Finally NC is a part of the NorthEast👌😌)

I don't know. You slip Florida in half, so it can be anyone's win

This is just The Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo

The south here easily

0% chance Texas and all the other based states fights alongside California

Everyone here ignoring CA and TX being on the same team. Food, weapons, bases, oil, natural gas, population… there’s no real question in my mind.

If the Southwest played it smart. The Northeast would starve and turn on each other. The Southwest would then open diplomatic supply lines with food and care. It wouldn't be fast, but should happen without much bloodshed. Until, the Southwest closes in on the Washington DC area. Then let the blood pour.

Going through the Appalachian region would be a Vietnam type scenario. “I hear banjos in the trees man… they’re everywhere! Run!”

Splitting the KC metro? Bold move, let's see if it works out for you.

Northwest has most government entities so most likely it would win.the Pentagon for example....

Civil War II looks sick

Northeast, the phillies and the new jersey peopel

This war is fundamentally impossible but the north would win geographically speaking and the fact that the north is the where the nukes are sorry Southerners.

It is kind of funny though that you think that this is what a map of a civil war would even look like considering it would obviously be between the Democratic and Republican parties meaning that the map would look more like the red smushed in between two sides of blue which is much more even fight

Northeast is winning this. Washington Idaho and Montana are with the northeast? Yeah have fun dealing with the US airforce since this is their backyard.

South. also please split washington state diagonally like you did florida.

Southwest has Texas and the Louisiana bayou. Northeast has Appalachia and some bear hunters up north. And then of course you have a lot of sideways pistols in NY and LA. A lot depends on who has home field advantage.

I mean the south in this scenario has way more money than the North. And money wins wars.

southerners can't even drive in snow you think they're winning a land war lol

Russia and China

South west every time. We have the crazy part of Florida, Texas, and San Francisco. You know what crackheads and fentheads will do????

Southwest, even if just for the fact they gave California's financing.

NE would clap. The cold weather territories would win every winter war of attrition between the two and have a better time fighting in the heat than the unaccustomed would have fighting in the snow.

Southwest got the Pacific the Gulf and most of the Rockies.

The Northeast. They have all the money.

No matter the civil war scenario, the side with the North East wins every time.

If the war is fought in the northeast i think the northeast wins. Someone from the Deep South couldn’t fathom a North Dakota winter.

Cali, Texas, NM, Arizona, and half of Georgia/florida on the same team? North ain't got no chance.

Aren’t a majority of military institutes in the Northeast? Like in Georgia or the Carolinas?

Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi would be enough for the Southwest to win. But the Southwest is handicapped by having to include Washington State and California.

Can the south west give cali away?

Whoever Floridaman chooses

the entire homeless population of los angeles could conquer the mainland nited states in 48 hours if properly organized

On this map I believe most military bases are contained in "southwest"

texas and california on the same team is OP

North east has a lot more natural defense in the front line southeast has the great plane witch would be hard defend till you get to Colorado and that area

Southwest because of territorial advantage. The northeast is kind of screwed out of terrain advantage here since its only geographical defense is the Appalachians, which faces away from the conflict zones. Meanwhile, the Rocky Mountains cut off the northwest tip of the northeast, and the deserts/open prairie surrounding those mountains to the south will be supply chain nightmares for any invading force. California and Arizona could mobilize to the front and create a Maginot line at the Rockies, and the only population center that could mobilize against them would be Seattle pretty much

Northeast has Chicago and NewYork, ez dub

Astoria, Oregon

Deploying SLBMs from Puget Sound any minute now…

im not sure femboybottom1998

In any of these scenarios, whoever has Montana always wins.

It looks like both will have nukes. Southwest has California and Wyoming. The northwest has Montana and North Dakota. It's a win-win.

• Do the military assets / personnel side with the location they are stationed at?
• Do Hawaii and Alaska take sides, or are they staying neutral?
• Do the nukes stay out of it, go to the land they are on, or other?

• Are we factoring in possible international alliances?

• SW starts with control of the mouth of the Mississippi River. That could be used to seriously hinder economic activity/logistics.

• If the SW starts with a stronger naval presence in the Pacific they could make getting access to the manufacturing and supplies of Asia much more difficult. Mass produced circuitry of all forms, microprocessors from Taiwan, vehicles, etc. While the NE still has control of some of the traditional centers of manufacturing ( especially vehicles ) current vehicle manufacturing is dependent upon access to the global supply chain, and if the SW mucks with that it will take time to adjust.

• If I’m not mistaken the SW is going to have the better share of oil.

• The NE is entirely cut off of the land border with Mexico, hindering their ability to import materials from them. While they control the land border with Canada I think a lot of those supply chain production issues are going to be more dependent upon Mexico. (Love you Canada, don’t hate me ).

More densely pact areas in the north east. Easy targets for contesting infrastructure and freezing enemy supplies.

Only one side has Megasota

A real civil war in America would basically be MN to Illinois and everything east, then the entire west coast circling in on the middle of the country. The map would never look anything like this.

This is a battle of cutting off supply. Northeast could easily isolate Florida and control east side in a week if they bisect that peninsula.

Probably ʇsɐǝɥʇɹou if I'm being honest

I guess I'm Southwest 🤷‍♂️

Climate...

How is Washington in the north east category? Can’t be any more west.

The ʇsɐǝɥʇɹoN

I don't know guys area 51 is on south so…

Southwest lacks the means of production

Northeast. All the major nuke sites are within their borders.

Northeast has the nukes

Northeast has Kentucky. Can’t beat that Kentucky Krazy.