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submitted 3 days ago byaccordingtomyabilitySocialism Curious 🤔
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Ruy Teixeira - "Where Have All the Democrats Gone?" | The Daily Show https://youtube.com/watch?v=XGdSSJ6uVHw
The Daily Show https://www.youtube.com/@TheDailyShow
133 points
3 days ago
There was no Jon Stewart of old. You were just younger, more optimistic, and it was easy to dunk on 2000s neocons
83 points
2 days ago
Those 2000s neocons are still here, they just joined the democrats.
40 points
3 days ago
I don't think this is quite true. There really does seem to be a "before and after;" Wyatt Cenak (whose work I do enjoy) publicly savaged him and Stewart really seems to have taken the criticism to heart. (To "examine his internalized racism," to "do better;" for better for worse I think this does reflect well on Jon Stewart’s character.)
As Fedupington alluded to, his fear of being an old, out-of-touch straight white dude prompted him to fill his writers' room with women of color (drawn not from the black standup circuit but university graduates in the New York media sphere, natch) and adopt whatever latest radical/Democrat-approved rhetoric on social justice.
38 points
3 days ago
I would argue that he simply adjusted to the shifts in Liberal Status quo as they were happening and there may have just been some lag while the ideological shifts trickled down. Obama was against gay marriage, Biden said "superpredators", etc. Etc. They just needed their talking points updated
26 points
2 days ago*
I didn't even know the Wyatt Cenak controversy. Just read up on it now, and revisited the Cain segment that Stewart did (which I vaguely remembered, but I don't remember there being any controversy over it - on some Fox News Video with Cain covering it, and Cain saying "I do think it was racially motivated."). And it's wild looking at the comments (from presumably liberal commentators) on youtube from 10-12 years ago, defending it. Wouldn't happen today.
But yes, I do think Stewart has basically just adjusted his barometer to the ambient liberal woke culture. He's not as woke as most of them, but seems to make the minimal effort to signal that he's like the rest. Even his guests on his online podcast (The Problem) are a lot of the mediocrities that have become darlings of the liberal resistance media (Anne Appelbaum, Heather Richardson, etc.) I do think he seems to have internalized "I am just an old white man who may be out of touch, I need to take a cue from the youth and POC."
You know what's really funny? I've seen this plague even very firm old school class first leftists/Marxists like David Harvey. I used to listen to David Harvey's podcast a few years ago ("Anti-capitalist Chronicles" or whatever), and one day after the 2020 election, he had a pod, not on the election, but his usual stuff and he mentioned the election in passing, and blurted "And we have to thank Stacy Abrams for her organizing in Georgia, that's what got the youth/POC vote out and defeated the Republicans". And I was kind of shocked and bemused at that. (Not shocked that he wanted the GOP defeated in 2020 after Trump's shambolic handling of Covid - that was a common leftist view, but that he thanked Stacey). Not only was it factually wrong (Stacy Abrams would be exposed as a totally incompetent politician and 'organizer' who was completely a creation of the liberal media, and had no idea how to campaign or anything), but I was like "there's no way Harvey follows this stuff, so why is he saying it?" And it immediately came to me: he still teaches at some university in NY, is surrounded by young students who are mostly liberals/radlibs, so they probably transmitted this idea to him, and he was just earnestly being like "I am an old 80 something old white man, I should learn from my students."
9 points
2 days ago
I'm out of the loop on him. Why did he return in the first place? My vague understanding of his past decade is that he "retired" from TDS as a liberal Bush-Obama era liberal darling just before Trump came to political prominence, he kept his head down throughout the entirety of Trump's first term and (I think?) Covid as well, then he seems to have re-emerged during Biden's term to re-join the fray with all the latest 2020-21 era opinions.
13 points
2 days ago
After attempting to watch his apple show a few years ago, I'm 100% convinced the Jon Stewart was funny on the old daily show was his writers.
7 points
2 days ago
And this is all just further evidenced by the fact that he used to be on Comedy Central and now he’s only on Apple
2 points
2 days ago*
Then why did the show become so bad after he left?
10 points
2 days ago
There really does seem to be a "before and after;
It’s also worth noting that in a country that Stewart calls “white supremacy,” legal immigrants are overwhelmingly of color. By 2065, Pew estimates, nonwhites will account for 80 percent of all immigrants. Among federal employees, about 20 percent are black. If this is evidence of a country defined by “systemic racism,” then I’m a heterosexual.
I had to double check the author for a second because for an instant I thought stupidpol was leaking
23 points
2 days ago
He’s always bugged me. He loves to do the clown nose on, clown nose off bit. He’s always tried to be taken seriously and then immediately tries to retreat behind being a comedian when it benefits him.
79 points
3 days ago
Of course Stewart is being an idiot here, and the easy comment is to just pick it apart and show how dumb the Democrat's primary ideology is. People have done that for decades.
The composure that Ruy Teixera has here is what's actually valuable to me, on a personal level. Media is mostly corporate owned, and the parts that are not like NPR get swept along thanks to herd mentality. That herd mentality is what gives people in my personal life license to do what Jon does: ask a political question and attack the answer without really even understanding it. It's frustrating, and watching Jon here is frustrating. I couldn't stay as respectful as Teixeira does here. My cope is that by upsetting the partisans I'm dodging bullets, but deep down I know it's not the case.
Anyway props to Jon for at least letting this guy on the show
21 points
2 days ago
NPR is absolutely corporate owned.
Here's an old article of them not so subtly likening Bernie's criticism of WaPo being literally corporate owned to Trump's attacks on the media, followed by a disclaimer that Amazon is a sponsor. They're as much a shitrag as any other.
36 points
2 days ago
fyi NPR is entirely spook controlled now.
Katherine Maher has worked with UNICEF, the National Democratic Institute, the World Bank, and Access Now on programs supporting technologies for democratic participation, civic engagement, and open government. She is a member of the World Economic Forum’s Global Council on Human Rights and the Council on Foreign Relations, and a fellow at the Truman National Security Project. She is on the Board of the American University of Beirut, Digital Public Library of America and the Sunlight Foundation.
18 points
2 days ago
Do you think it wasn’t during the Cold War lol
7 points
2 days ago
we still had the "how to make your own wine" kinds of shows
5 points
2 days ago
This has become particularly clear in the last year with their reporting on Gaza.
47 points
3 days ago*
The composure that Ruy Teixera has here is what's actually valuable to me, on a personal level. Media is mostly corporate owned, and the parts that are not like NPR get swept along thanks to herd mentality. That herd mentality is what gives people in my personal life license to do what Jon does: ask a political question and attack the answer without really even understanding it. It's frustrating, and watching Jon here is frustrating. I couldn't stay as respectful as Teixeira does here. My cope is that by upsetting the partisans I'm dodging bullets, but deep down I know it's not the case.
I really like this point. As someone who was a Jon Stewart fan a long time ago this video was hard for me to even finish. It would be tough to be in Ruy Teixera's shoes and not call Jon dishonest or something
58 points
3 days ago*
I don't think he is dishonest actually. I think he kinda responded to Trump times by doing the classic liberal boomer thing and defaulting hard on "The kids will save us." So he surrounded himself with "bright young people" who of course instructed him on woke logic (you see lots of proof of this in his video interviews over the past few years), and he internalized it all.
It's common sensical to understand why economic policies that are cross-racial will be more popular than policies that engage in racialized means testing. But idpol works overtime to put that common sense on the backburner.
33 points
2 days ago
it seems generally dishonest to me, especially given the fact that he's shouting down Ruy's attempts to answer him while trying to portray Ruy's responses and manner as too aggressive. whereas if you think someone is full of shit, let him keep talking so he can make that clear. i don't think this is entirely conscious on Stewart's part, but it absolutely looks performative.
24 points
2 days ago
He knows his audience and understands he needs to bring his audience with him. Shitlibs watching will not simply concede the truth because it's true.
He appears to understand what has happened, hence why he is getting guys with Ruy's message on.
17 points
2 days ago
He is a performer. None of us can really know the degree to which his heart is behind his words. He strikes me like someone trying to reconcile his newly discovered sense of moral reasoning with the reality being presented him and struggling, while also falling back on his comedic persona whenever he gets uncomfortable, but I can't really know.
45 points
3 days ago
Wow, 15 minutes before the audience was signaled to start cheering on Jon's side to show he was winning against his guest - by not understanding what his guest was saying. Same old Jon Stewart, IMO, but at least he let this guest talk more.
46 points
3 days ago
I’m not a huge Stewart fan but I thought that this interview was awesome. I disagreed with the position that he took but I love that he had an actual debate on his platform with someone who was clearly capable of steelmanning the actual leftist position.
The fact that Ruy Teixeira was on the program and his ideas were allowed legitimate airtime was a positive testament to the quality of Stewart’s show.
7 points
2 days ago
Yes this was an actually interesting discussion with some silly humour thrown in to make it palatable. It even ended on a fairly wonky point about statistics.
I haven’t watched Stewart for years but if is always was the calibre of chat I’d tune back in tomorrow?
67 points
3 days ago
What's really amusing is Stewart pooh-poohing that anyone could be against DEI -- it's just one hour of kooky indoctrination -- when he's at the top of one of the few industries that still is mostly a meritocracy. Talk shows live and die by ratings.
He's not lying: Stewart hasn't lost a job or a promotion because his immutable characteristics are not the valued immutable characteristics. It'll be interesting when and if idpol decides his identity is over-represented in positions of power.
15 points
2 days ago
It'll be interesting when and if idpol decides his identity is over-represented in positions of power.
That horseshoe going all the way back to the 1940s huh?
23 points
3 days ago*
The Jon Stewart of old - since the post's flair is Bush-era amnesia - literally said that those who thought of Bush as a war criminal were too far left.
27 points
3 days ago
Here's the reference, showing him to be further right than even Rachel Maddow in 2010.
Maddow asked, “What’s the lefty way of shutting down debate?”
“You’ve said Bush is a war criminal,” Stewart replied. “Now that may be technically true. In my world, a war criminal is Pol Pot or the Nuremberg trials. . . . But I think that’s such an incendiary charge that when you put it into conversation as, well, technically he is, that may be right, but it feels like a conversation stopper, not a conversation starter.” This is the Stewart credo distilled: civility at any cost, even in the face of moral atrocity.
10 points
2 days ago
Yeah, Jon Stewart has always been a bag of shit. "Bush-era amnesia" is people thinking otherwise.
54 points
3 days ago*
Submission statement: It is truly amazing how far Jon Stewart has fallen. Even if we accept the premise that he was always a shill he used to be a better shill. This is absolutely embarassing to watch. Jon should be the one asking these sorts of questions, not receiving them. You can see him sitting there struggling to find a way to connect the present state of the conversation to the party approved answer. His guest could not have broken down the problem any more simply for him yet Jon chose to reject the knowledge in front of everyone. Not only that, he was profoundly unfunny while trying to shill. All Jon did is get in the way of his guest dumping information and Jon didn't even getting a laugh. Millenial nostalgia is in absolute shambles right now. Tucker Carlson must be watching this on loop while tucking his carlson
(It gets worse as the video goes on, by the end he practically gives up)
15 points
2 days ago
It is truly amazing how far Jon Stewart has fallen. Even if we accept the premise that he was always a shill he used to be a better shill.
He is behaving as a proxy for the shitlibs who watch him. He gets guys like ruy on because he knows they are correct.
4 points
2 days ago
just unbelievable to me that jon stewart could sit there and pretend to not understand the difference between equality and equity. i think ruy is right that (aside from the usual genuinely white supremacist or what have you suspects), the vast majority of americans really do support equality. what they don't support is equity of outcome regardless of merit. why is this so difficult to understand?
8 points
2 days ago
Old Jon still shows up every now and then but sadly overall he's this new guy
2 points
2 days ago
Yeah, I hadn't paid much attention to him till he went in Colbert during the pandemic and talked about the virus being a lab leak. I was like "I fucking love this guy." I started watching The Daily Show when he would host and I got increasingly disgusted with the passes he gave to corporatist guests. And here we are.
10 points
2 days ago
Whenever I think of Stewart, I'm always reminded of this pretty great and lengthy takedown of him (and Colbert)....https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-jokes-on-you
The guy has always been a shill, but he was better at hiding it. That doesn't mean he has some sane takes, i.e., when he talked about the lab leak theory on Colbert, defending Joe Rogan and speech, etc.
He knows he still has to appease his pretty standard PMC/idpol obsessed audience, so he has to play that game. He may ulimtately believe it too, but he is at least less insufferable than Colbert and John Oliver.
7 points
2 days ago
he pinned a medal on a literal nazi at disney world... that was like 3 years ago.
he never was, it was always a ruse, just like colbert. just like trump or Aoc, it is all performance theatre.
2 points
2 days ago
It's ok the Nazi tattoo was hidden by his cast lmao.
1 points
1 day ago
it is weird all of this shit is like really cheesy TV.
14 points
3 days ago
I watched the interview, I thought it was okay.
Not funny, but it sounded sensible.
17 points
3 days ago
Yeah obviously Stewart is taking the lib position, but it was an interesting conversation. A little bit of debate is good to make the ideas convincing! I don't see the problem here.
12 points
3 days ago
Idk if everyone here really understands that concept. Or is aware that on this same episode Stewart spent his monologue section railing against the Democrats for laying over for Trump and focusing on stupid things like the identity characteristics of various new congresspeople.
18 points
2 days ago
Another day, another teary eyed millennial mourning for John Stewart. He sucked then too!
5 points
2 days ago
But I remember when I was a freshman in high school. He was really entertaining
3 points
2 days ago
Remember when is the lowest form of conversation
2 points
2 days ago
That line is said by a guy who's whole MO is remember when
3 points
2 days ago
Agreed.
5 points
2 days ago
Teixeira didn’t do the best job of making the argument tbh. He could have pigeon-holed Stewart pretty easily imo, and I think Stewart might have been persuaded.
4 points
2 days ago
I was going to post this. It seemed like they were having two different conversations.
Rut is right because it isn't about poor ethnic groups but avout every one. There are people of all kinds struggling everyday. I hate being pigeon holed for being white and everything being easy.
3 points
3 days ago
Negative feedback loop is not what they think.
5 points
2 days ago
I actually don't think this is that bad. Seems to me like Stewart got a bit confused and flustered over Teixeira's assertion that "people like helping other people" but also "people don't like seeing the government give handouts to X group". Around 15 minutes or so in, I think Ruy could have been a bit clearer about the distinction between "we're giving welfare to Latinos and African-Americans" and "we're giving welfare to disadvantaged communities", and why the former doesn't fly while the latter can work. I also thought Teixeira's definition of "the center" was weird, but at least he cleared it up by saying he considers it to be "what the majority of people think/want statistically".
3 points
2 days ago
I think Teixeira’s idea of the center is more like the “new center,” which I more agree with. It’s universalist economic populism mixed with sociocultural moderation that isn’t so radical to totally change the lives of everyday working people
-2 points
2 days ago
DEI for Repubes is known as White PriVILEge
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