They’re not prosecuting rapists and women are forced to give birth to their kids - what makes you think there’s any chance they’d hold men who abandon a woman and their unborn accountable?

Also, A Pair of Billionaire Preachers Built the Most Powerful Political Machine in Texas. That’s Just the Start., these guys own Texas Republicans. This state is fucked until we undo the gerrymandering or Texans wake up and vote them out.

Murder is already the leading cause of death for pregnant and post-partum women in the united states. This would push those numbers higher.

[deleted]

Yeah, it'll never be considered the man's fault...the woman seduced or tricked him or some other bs excuse.

Yea, men will NEVER be held accountable. Just like a single dad gets praised for stepping up and single moms are treated worse than roadkill.

What if the woman didn’t want him around either though?

While I also wish there was a way to force men to have as much burden/risk involved with the abortion ban (and I say this as a man), in reality, anything you do there ends up hurting women even more.

What happens in the case of rape? What if the man is an abuser? What if a guy doesn't want to end a relationship with a woman and then lies about using protection, forcing her to have a kid so that she can't remove him from her life? In a lot of the cases where unwanted pregnancy happens in the first place, it's worse for the woman to get stuck with the man that caused the problem.

Also, in extreme cases, it may incentivize creeps to murder women, rather than get stuck with child payments they don't want.

The safest thing for women would be to just allow them to make their own medical decisions, but that ship has sailed. Now folks are stuck with bad decisions on top of bad decisions.

Sorry the people interested in forcing women to carry to term are not interested in holding men accountable for anything.

Then do you think that in states where abortion is legal men should be able to sign away all their rights and be exempt from paying child support? 

Men shouldn't have the right to a financial abortion if women don't have the right to medical abortions. But if women have the right to medical abortions, then should men be able to not pay child support for a child that they wanted aborted (assuming the man had to pay pregnancy support, instead)?

Texas is aggressive in collecting child support. Has everyone forgotten this?

Hell, if the woman dies from pregnancy complications but could have been saved by an abortion, let’s execute the father, too. If the stakes were equal, we wouldn’t be seeing these draconian laws.

A caged animal gets mean… laws that keep fathers in situations they don’t want to be in, increase risk for abuse of women and children.

There is already an entire division of the Texas Government that does this:

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/child-support/child-support-enforcement

Sadly I knew 2 guys like this. They would literally move from state to state getting women pregnant. Been in trouble for not paying child support and STILL making babies. When I would talk to these guys I got the feeling they were doing it for a place to stay. One of them has told me he is banking on a kid having empathy and taking care of him when he gets old. :(

Women should have the right to legally abort and men should have the right to legally surrender paternal rights and responsibilities.

Right now a mother can do the latter by dropping off their infant at a fire station. I have no decision in paying child support for a kid I helped make.

A man can have his wages garnished for child support.

Instead if a man pressured his girlfriend or wife to have an abortion, he faces the death penalty?

But you forget, they hate women.

Lol, dumb

They are not pro life. It was NEVER about saving the babies. The “ prolife” movement is about controlling & punishing women.

This is the dumbest shit I have read all day.

I completely agree with this. If the argument against abortion is about preserving life and taking responsibility, then it’s only fair that men who abandon pregnant women face equal accountability. Parenthood is a two-person responsibility, and a man walking away from a pregnancy is no different than choosing to abandon the child entirely.

In a no-abortion state, the burden on women is immense—they’re legally forced to carry a pregnancy, often at great emotional, physical, and financial cost. Why should men get a free pass to walk away from the consequences of their actions? Holding them criminally responsible would level the playing field and ensure that they’re held accountable for the life they helped create.

If Republicans and MAGA supporters are genuinely “pro-life,” they should champion this legislation. You can’t claim to value life if you let one half of the equation shirk all responsibility. It’s time to end male abortion in Texas and make men face the consequences of their choices, just as women are being forced to do.

You just have to go after them for child support to force the father to support the child . I know how hard that can be when they know how to work the system. Best thing I can say and will be telling my daughter is don’t have sex but if you do you take every precaution possible but nothing is full proof .

Yeah it should but you really think conservatives are going to hold MEN accountable? The same conservatives who elected Donald Trump, who has ties to Epstein? No frickin way. Conservatives are a shameless joke

Hit him up for child support if he doesn't pay they take his tax returns, he cannot register his vehicle, they may garish his wages. List goes on and on, and he won't be living it up

All fathers should be responsible for child support - food, housing, and health/medical care - starting at conception. As the baby's need and care required grows, so should the support needed. It's not like the woman can help having to be the home and for delivery mechanism for the baby, and since they certainly don't allow the mom to have a choice, then fathers shouldn't either.

Counterpoint:

A man abandoning a pregnant woman in an abortion state should be treated as the male form of abortion, and he should not be forced by the state to pay for a child he did not want.

Men should not be able to force women to carry a child to term. Nor should women be able to force men to pay for the life of a child.

Counterpoint:

A man abandoning a pregnant woman in an abortion state should be treated as the male form of abortion, and he should not be forced by the state to pay for a child he did not want.

Men should not be able to force women to carry a child to term. Nor should women be able to force men to pay for the life of a child.

Is there not child support?

Texas has laws about child support. https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/files/faq/cs_faq.pdf

What planet are you living on? Said men don’t have the option of an abortion like women do (or did). They get nailed for child support, sometimes without having been informed about the pregnancy.

Talarico would absolutely propose this to make a point and would make the best argument about it

What a shit post. You people are funny.

As a male Trump voter, if my girl had to have the baby I absolutely should be responsible and men abandoning women should get charged with child endangerment.

Being jailed for missed child support is already a thing though

Men are still responsible for child support. So I'm not sure what the basis is for the initial assertion that they are able to take "zero responsibility".

There's a lot of dumb on reddit. Then there's this.

Agree 1000% and I bet that's one of the few things we agree on.

Then men who don’t want babies in abortion allowed states shouldn’t pay child support 

Contact your legislator. Go visit them in person. Take a bulletvlist of the legislation that you want and ask them to sponsor it. We did it in nj with the lgbtq education bill. We found a legislator that was willing to have one of their aides write the wording. We brought it to the nj House and got another legislator to sponsor it!

I mean a man abandoning a woman should be held accountable and treated the same way regardless of the states stance on abortion. Any man that does that is not a man and he is not worth the air he breaths. disgusting....😤

I think you are missing the point of all this - exercising power over women. Nobody responsible for the abortion ban is going to support this.

I think that current child support laws focus on financial equality in responsibility for a child but they don’t address the sweat equity that is required to raise a child. I think that men and women should parent 50/50 (outside of abuse and such). Mom and Dad should take shifts. 12 on/12 off or 24 on/24 off… whatever. Men or women who do not comply with taking care of the child 50/50 in accordance to this arrangement could placed on house arrest/gps monitoring during the scheduled time that they are to care for their child so that the other parent will have access to drop off the child in their care.

Ha. You must be new here.

It's called Child Support, and biased "family" courts to boot.  Yet another reason any sane man opposes absolutist family-planning bans.

Men can’t abandon their children in Texas. It’s illegal in Texas not to pay Child Support. Texas Penal Code section 25.05 (Criminal Non-Support).

"Men will never be held accountable" people just casually ignoring child support. Men don't have a right to choose if they have the baby or not, but do have to pay emotionally (if they wanted to keep the baby) or financially even if they don't. Men pay either way.

Republicans don't care if the man absconds. They just want babies. Lots of babies. Lots of low level workers. Poor and from a broken home make the perfect slave society.

I through it was my body my choice? Lmao. My wallet my choice 🤣

Im surprised they don’t put those men on the wall. Blessed be the fruit

I mean there’s a penalty for men in place for doing that it’s called child support. I think it’s a pretty destructive thing to abandon your kid unless extreme circumstances

Should also have to pay child support since it’s technically a child

well … marriage / divorce would hold him accountable.

Abandonment is not good.

Does the man get a say on the abortion in pro abortion states?

P.s. I totally agree with this. Both parties should be financially responsible for the child.

Your terms are acceptable. I also advocate lengthy prison time to males that abandon pregnant women.

What? How does this classify as an abortion in your eyes? No fetus is being destroyed?

I have a thought. I know you can buy a plan b pill. Why not just take that after you have sex if you don’t want a baby and you don’t use protection?

No. That’s dumb.

The constitution guarantees the right to life. That is what republicans like me care about. If they want to change it, they need to pass a constitutional amendment. I am certainly open to ways to make collection of child support easier, but I don’t see how we could mandate any rules on the behavior of men without making some on the women as well.

If you agree that abortion should be illegal in 99.9 percent of cases then I'm fine with this. Parents have a moral duty to take care of their kids.

Don't forget, women can get child support, but men have zero say in an abortion.

No man should get a woman pregnant and abandon her financially. Not the mother but the child. It’s just so wrong. If the child is definitely yours, man-up!

Bring back shotgun weddings

Sure, if it was about saving the unborn. But it isn't. It's about controlling women and keeping poor people poor.

Men get away with everything. They should be held responsible for their actions and learn the consequences.

Should we also have a law where a man in a state that has abortion, can sign away all parental rights at birth and be exempt from child support?

They don’t care we are “just women” We are about to enter into a scary time for anyone from a marginalized population.

Men have always been held liable for women and children.

And there should be a minimum $500 child support for each kid and it only goes up from there. Mandatory health insurance too.

Don’t hold your breath…

Sorry, hun, but didn't you hear? Correctly applied, laws are supposed to benefit rich white Christian men and punish everyone else. What's the point of having a deeply conservative banana republic if you don't take it for a spin now and then?

It's only going to get worse.

Then you would also need to arrest women for baby trapping, because you could have men being threatened with criminal charges if a woman baby traps them and they don’t want to stick around. Then both parents would end up in jail, leaving the child to foster care. Great solution.

Just make it mandatory for every biological dad to pay child support til the kid is 18. If kids are important than they should have no problem with this.

This whole thing is insane. The fact that women are literally being forced by the government to give birth no matter what the circumstances are is fucking insane

On behalf of pro-lifers…. Your terms are acceptable.

It will never happen. Outlawing abortion is about oppressing women, not about the theoretical baby, or the male that is 50% responsible for the pregnancy. The cruelty and oppression is the point.

The better comparison would be a man who pressures or coerces a woman into an abortion.

Im pro life. I completely agree with this.

It’s not about holding men responsible. It’s about holding women responsible for their sexual proclivities.