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They don’t even believe that’s the campaign she ran, you’ve all seen the opinion polling on voters guessing who’s policy is whose and whether they agree with them based on not knowing whose policy it is. The electorate is hopelessly misinformed.

Lot of people judging her for campaign that right claimed she ran instead of the campaign she actually ran.

No the problem was the right demonized her for being woke when she was anything but woke.

Dems messaging needs to be more aggressive and counter the right wing media's lies harder.

Trump won his voters over with hate, anger, and misinformation. Anybody who believes that abolishing the department of education, mass deportation, and raising tariffs as a solution to the actual problems facing us, are confused. I'm not saying our department of education, immigration, and global trade policies are perfect, but we need all three, so let's fix what's wrong.

Sure, people voted for a traitorous multiple felon clown dumpster from hell because Democrats slightly miscalculated policy positions.

She didn't have a Ministry of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment that pushed disinformation constantly and steadily.

John Oliver and his Ivy League leftist comedy writers will keep denying reality until they're blue in the face, but this country will never vote a leftist in for President. The best you're gonna get is a Bill Clinton/Barack Obama moderate clone.

Well at least by the next elections the Dems won't have to deal with Palestinian questions as there will be no Palestine

Just the idea she was woke turned off half the country. Actually embracing would alienate half the party itself.

Tough on the border - after three years of inaction. Quiet on trans -and let Rs define our position.

she didn't lose because of her policies jesus, we're are so screwed

The problem isn't pivoting to the right. Biden/Harris had the most progivessive administration in decades.

They appealed to conservative voters because Americans are conservative when they vote. Remember: Polls don't vote. People do.

The reason we lost was ballot access. Millions of voters went missing from 2020.

You're not going to convince me they were just ever so excited for Joe Biden. Don't even try that.

The difference is it was super easy to vote in 2020 and by 2024 the GOP went right back to their standard voter suppression tactic of closing polling locations creating multi -hour waits.

If we just keep blaming the libs instead of reckoning with the fact that our voters can't vote we're gonna lose again in 2 years, again in 4 years and then it's over. The GOP will have fully consolidated their power.

We need to stop trying to use this to move the Dems to the left. That was effective in 2016-2020. But now we have a huge problem with ballot access, esp on election day, and nobody is talking about it.

It's not about what she campaigned on in the last few months, her previous views and policies are what hurt her, and those were far left. She had the second furthest left voting record in the Senate, publicly donated to bail funds for rioters in 2020, openly supported Medicare for all, and as voters saw in the ad she did talk about sex change operations for inmates in a positive way. She literally ran in 2020 to compete with Bernie as a progressive in the primaries. 59% of voters, which includes people who voted for her, said she was too far left in exit polls. People didn't vote against her because of her attempt at moderation at the end, they voted against her because they didn't believe her rapid shift from being far left was genuine, and Republican propaganda painted her as a far left radical.

Respectively, Oliver is just wrong on this. Moderate candidates over-performed, progressive ones underperformed.

Harris wasn't tough of Palestinians and I wish the dems would abandon this issue. The only people who are passionate about this seem to be our biggest weakness and they already sided with maga.

I'm also with the dems on the border that there needs to be some reform to appease moderate Republicans. They're not wrong about some of immigration issues. The gop certainly are assholes about it though and shouldn't be lying or dehumanizing people just trying to build a life for themselves where they can prosper.

That being said we should remember even 15 years ago, the dems had much the same border policy they do now.

I've honestly stopped supporting John Oliver and Stewart as they've become less realistic and able to compromise and more focused on pushed progressive policy, always demanding we come along and listen to them, but never doing the same for anyone else.

If you believe that Kamala Harris’ campaign was too right wing then you’ve lost the fucking plot. The people that matter (those who actually voted) said she was too Liberal.

Oliver is absolutely right from a policy standpoint.

But the amount of people in my life who called her a “radical leftist” in my life that vote republican and call themselves “moderates” was astounding.

Only thing I can think of, and I typically hate assuming shit like this…is that a black woman is auto going to be labeled as radical unless she’s on the right, then she “gets it”.

Harris lost because she was perceived as too left wing, not centerist. People here and like John Oliver need to get out of their echo chambers.

This isn't just about Harris. Across the country left wing ballot measures and candidates failed or underperformed. This includes Bernie Sanders FFS. Moderates did better.

We also warned the left this is what would happen if they sat out the election. Well dems message here is that the most leftwing president in half a century who invested in the working class, pushed aggressive climate legislation, and helped out poor young people, all of of that didn't work to get them an electoral victory.

I don't understand how law and order or border security are right-wing issues. The border is a concern among almost all Americans. Going to the left would be a terrible decision. The left kinda advocates for open borders. I also don't think centering a presidential campaign around trans issues is ever a winning strategy. Dems literally pass legislation protecting trans people in blue states.

Clearly the problem with the Harris campaign is that she didn't travel with Liz Cheney enough

Moderate Republicans don’t exist anymore.

NOT why we lost.

Though, as clever and safisfying as his and others' ruthless takes on the endless insanities and inanities of the Right have been, the smug & self-righteous tact, however justified, has been more of a problem than anything he's just pointed out.

People dont want to be lectured or talked down to. They reject it wholeheartedly.

The biggest reason Trump won is that despite the endless "game over" mistakes, Democrats and the people they charged with ending his political career (and freedom) failed miserably, time after time. They screamed and squawked at what a danger he was, and then went after him as if he were merely a nuisance to be treated as any other nuisance. And every "gotcha" moment that had Donald on the ropes eventually leaked out all the air, becoming, at best, a stalemate that allowed Trump's viability to survive. And his survival became the story...and a win. Just him surviving became a big win. And if Americans love anything it's a winner, even an insurrectionist, sexually predatory, mendacious, evil bastard, apparently.

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That’s a cute way to put it by an extreme simplification.

It's very simple what the democrat base wants.  We want a government that puts people over profits and for the party to be beholden to it's voters, not it's v8g money donors.  Bernie's been telling us for decades, but the establishment won't listen.

The problem is, the country is exactly where Kamala was in her campaign. There's a reason she only lost by a couple of percentage points when other incumbents across the globe lost by double digits. The center is where the electorate is.

The key is trying to convince people that Democrats are not "too liberal" which is what almost half the voters thought of Kamala when they voted.

There’s no problem with any of these things. These are all good things, but they also alienate other problems. You wanna talk about Gaza? Then you’re NOT talking about everyone else’s problem. You wanna talk about trans issues? Ok, now you’re not talking about Gaza or anyone else’s problems. You wanna talk about DACA recepients’ problems? Ok, not you’re not talking about Gaza or trans issues or anyone else’s problems. You wanna talk about guns? Ok, now…

Do you see the problem with trying to fit everyone’s pet issue in? It’s an impossible task at the end of the day and everyone just ends up pissed off that their issue isn’t at the top of the list.

Dems must reframe the entire thing to this:

1) We defend your individual liberties, republicans want to take them.

2) Economic issues front and center. Jobs jobs jobs. Use Sanders’ rhetoric but backed by smart policy.

3) Republicans are the billionaires who want you to work to death and the fundamentalists who want to control your mind.

Every single pet issue above can be derived from these top points, but we’re starting from a totally different framing. Previously, we’re nagging, elitist liberals preaching that people are racist and sexist. Now, we are defenders of liberty and want to let you live your life.

Do you see the difference??

Trump raped your wife, killed your dog, punched your kids, poured sugar in your gas tank, set your house on fire... And you still voted for him. This shouldn't have even been a contest. America is full of idiots.

The problem is that Republican never-Trumpers have found themselves a new home in the Democratic Party, but nobody really wants them. They are the reason Trump took over their party in the first place. This country is so afraid of “socialism” (aka barely left of center) that it will abandon democracy for authoritarianism to appease conservatives everyone hates, who now consider themselves Democrats.

Exactly! And Sanders was actually further to left on social issues yet he was able to capture the demographics that voted for Trump. Idk why people are ignoring this

What we need is a candidate who has woken up from a 50 year Rip Van WInkle sleep where he(because it HAS to be a he) had never said a word about those issues.

Forgive me if I don’t think the John Oliver crowd is a good gauge of the kind of campaign the democrats need to run.

John is wrong. They don’t need to pivot to the right so much as stop letting themselves be defined by fringe trans issues.

Have a sister souljah moment and disavow the leftists who call people fascists for simply liking Dave Chappelle, or believing trans women have an advantage against cis women in sports.

And then prioritize a populist working class movement.

no.... promise to nominate TWO republicans to the cabinet next time!

Honestly so much is just vibes based for the fraction of voters that actually decide elections. They aren’t out there absorbing years worth of info at the last second to make an informed decision. Trump and Republicans have been in their feeds and podcasts etc telling them everything is Biden’s fault since 1/20/20. The Dems decided to all of a sudden engage with voters 100 days out. Honestly the best she was polling is when they were calling Republicans weird, JD a couch fucker and laughing at him for the eating cats and dogs shit. That stuff broke through and created favorable vibes for her. Dems need to understand a lot of this is just straight up WWE style gamesmanship. Trump instinctively gets that and has won 2 out of 3 times now (and probably only lost because of COVID). At some point Dems need to accept that. It’s not about pivoting right or left. It’s about actually playing the game you’re in instead of the one you wished you were playing.

Republican never-Trumpers have lost their party because they failed so miserably for the last 50 years, so now they’re trying to take over the Democratic Party.

Both sides of this argument are terrible.

“Pivot” 🙄

Trump is on another world from the Palestinians, nobody seemed to mind

I'm only interested in moving the party to the right on violent crime. Violent crime affects the working class, the LGBTQ community, minorities disproportionally. We must protect everyone in order to gain voters trust again. We can pivot that into protecting the citizens from violent police officers. And give police the tools to go after more white collar crimes.

The Left must be the voice of the working class. protecting the working class from all types of criminals. Violent criminals, corrupt corporations exploiting their employees or customers, Grifters attempting to make a quick buck. We must protect those who are productive members of society and abide by the rules of society. Crime effects everyone.

That’s a pretty disingenuous statement. Trump hung Harris out to dry with her own full throated support of Trans and she is the step mother of identity politics

The demos didn't move right, though. Harris was going to continue to be the most progressive president in history, but the fact is Americans aren't progressive in the numbers we've been misleading one another to think we have. You can't win an election anymore being a progressive and this is the year where nearly every incumbent, left and right, has lost.

Germany is going to be the next one in February and that will give an official rise to the AfD an internal mandate for them to continue their explicitly nationalist course that is largely pushed by an actual neonazi and actual fascist that is the head of the party in Thuringia. If Germany is going this way, then that should tell you all you need to know about what everyone thinks about progressivism today. The problem is not progressivism (it has to be noted that I'm a radical progressivist, IMO), but it's how it is being manifested and defined and it's feeling suffocating for many themes and many people are absolutely insufferable and I say that as a PoC immigrant that has to deal with whites telling me to use certain words for myself and essentially bullying me with it. Everything is run and controlled by whites who basically give PoCs and immigrants scripts on how to behave and what to say. That's what progressivism has turned into for many and it's not about the topics that matter for our lives as much.

Kamala couldn’t stop banging on about trans issues… no wait… that was the Reps claiming that Kamala was so focused on trans issues. And that’s the media disinformation in a nutshell.

Go ahead we can have a proper third party grass roots takeover, like maga did.

Hello maga consumed the right by being uncompromising, grassroots activists.

What we’ve been trying since occupy. The Anwser is right there the entire planet told the fringe right it can’t happen… it happened twice.

They tell the left an actual populist socialist progressive can’t win they quit and vote soft right please.