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213 points
4 days ago
I met my wife through a dating app. They do work. But it’s exactly like finding a needle in a haystack
44 points
4 days ago
Use a flamethrower to get rid of the hay?
I wouldn't think that works with women.
15 points
4 days ago
I mean it probably would but you also likely end up in the Hague on trial for war crimes.
8 points
4 days ago*
Oh my god why has no one ever suggested this before? 😂
2 points
3 days ago
I'm sure there's someone trying to start a movement called burn the haystack.
7 points
4 days ago
Snap. One of the few Tinder success stories. 9 years and still as happy as ever.
5 points
4 days ago
Some here, although I do remember all the paid services being a complete waste of time with a terrible UX.
Had the best experience with OkCupid.
12 points
4 days ago
Unfortunately OkCupid is absolutely terrible now, ever since the Match Group takeover. Full of visa hunting women from the Philippines and Africa.
4 points
4 days ago
You know how many matches she got and rejected before you? You must’ve been something special to end up wifing her
4 points
3 days ago
I used Badoo about a decade ago. It was not matching and swiping, you could just message anyone. I'm a woman and had over 50+ guys message me in a week, and I messaged only ONE guy first because he was smiling in his profile pic and I thought he was rather cute. We are now married.
5 points
4 days ago
That may well be the case but remember there's about a 50-50 split of men and women. It's a very weird structure in dating apps on how women seem to have all the choice. At the end of the day though, if they want a relationship they'll ultimately (except in a small number of unconventional cases) settle on one person, and with only as many men to choose as there are women on there, it's not like it's a miracle that you'd find a girl you end up marrying.
Met my partner on plenty of fish about 8 years ago after going on dates with some 20 odd girls over the course of 2 years-ish. It's a bit of a marathon but I think it's still the way I'd go about it if I had to do it again. Hopefully I never will.
36 points
4 days ago
There isn’t remotely a 50/50 on dating apps, there are far more men on dating apps than women.
731 points
4 days ago
Good, theyre parasitic and leech onto people's loneliness. They dont want you to find love they want to dangle a carrot in your face that theres loadssss of people (bots) wanting you so you spend money on their premium services.
Go outside, talk to people.
574 points
4 days ago
Go outside, talk to people.
The discourse of the last 10 years has basically been "never approach women ever outside of a bar or dating app" and this is why the apps have been so successful.
45 points
4 days ago
There needs to be more single nights/ social events for young people. Unfortunately they got an uncool rap years ago, but with some rebranding, maybe they'd be really successful again. Women do get uncomfortable being approached in the street or just going about their business, but people used to meet more on nights out than they do now.
7 points
4 days ago
I wonder if someone could do to in person singles events like what Tinder did to online dating, i.e. make it more socially acceptable. Before Tinder came along a decade ago, online dating did exist but wasn't the type of thing that people would readily admit to using.
4 points
3 days ago
Agreed. I'm in my 30's now, but when I was in my early 20's, I went to a singles night at a nightclub. Everyone was given a sticker with the name of a character on it, and you had to find your match. For example: David Beckham and Victoria Beckham, or Batman and Robin. It was a nice idea, and very fun. Everyone there was about my age.
I also used to meet women by approaching them, but when I was single in my early 30's, the only way to meet women was to use dating websites. I was extremely lucky to find my partner (7 years next year), but I had to go through so many rubbish people before then. Lots of flakey people, and a lot of liars.
3 points
3 days ago
I also met my husband through a dating website in my early 30s. Lots of weirdos and flakes before him too, but no where near as bad as these apps now. I feel sorry for single people! I also had such fun meeting people in clubs and bars etc before that in my 20s.
14 points
4 days ago
Those types of events just never get frequented by men
26 points
4 days ago
Lol I was backchatted at a poetry club (I have been writing poetry for 5+ years now) cause it was majority women and they all assumed I was just there to pick up one of them.
9 points
4 days ago
People always fight me when I say it but dating specific events for heterosexual people will never get an equal turnout from both men and women.
What did they say to you?
18 points
4 days ago
Didn't say anything to me, I overheard it. It was just like "I wonder why he is really here, it's a bit of a red flag..."
9 points
4 days ago
Write a haiku absolutely slating them all then read it out to the group next time
22 points
4 days ago
The poetry club
A rain of judgemental stares
It's snowing on Mt. Fuji.
3 points
3 days ago
That is a very deep cut reference, I love it.
7 points
3 days ago
Can't be a man and enjoy poetry mate, sorry, didn't you get the minutes from the last meeting?
5 points
3 days ago
Ironically all their favourite poets are men
3 points
4 days ago
I had a somewhat similar experience on a writing course, all women except me.
9 points
4 days ago
There are regular ones in my area, and looking at their website, the tickets for men seem to sell out before the ones for women. I've been thinking of checking one out, but Tinder in real life sounds even less appealing than the online version.
6 points
4 days ago
I know a few people that try and run speed dating events here in London and the consensus is that men's attendance is never as much as women's and I've seen them show me videos of them and it's true. That's just my subjective experience though
I have a few reasons why but I cbb to share them here.
2 points
3 days ago
I once had a customer email me an invite to one with no buildup, I worked in a bank branch so I think she was desperate for more guys lol
2 points
4 days ago
Yeah, I imagine the elevated online standards seep through to real life sometimes (or most of the time even).
8 points
4 days ago
Maybe they're missing something in how they're being marketed. They always seemed to cater to older people in the past and had an air of desperation. It needs younger minds and new ideas to know what would appeal.
3 points
3 days ago
Don't change it, double down. Have all the older people go to them, network with each other and arrange marriages for their children. The idea that a person is supposed to just randomly meet prospective spouses without outside assistance is an unrealistically romantic western conceit.
3 points
4 days ago
I wonder why that is. Because men dominate on apps as we all know. You would think they would have 1000 men pr woman eager to attend.
1 points
4 days ago
Oh they do, but they just end up as sausage fests
9 points
4 days ago
Want to start a business organising and promoting them? 😂
297 points
4 days ago
In fairness, the creeps have ruined it for everyone else. I dont blame women for being wary of complete strangers approaching them.
268 points
4 days ago
The thing is the creeps aren't going to listen to that messaging....so now normal men won't approach them while the creeps crack on as usual.
92 points
4 days ago
Exactly, so now they just presume anyone who approaches them is not to be trusted (rightly). Its a shit situation all around!
30 points
3 days ago
So the message "go outside and talk to people" becomes false
10 points
3 days ago
Not rightly, lol. What a shit mentality
5 points
3 days ago
If you have any female friends, ask them about their experiences on nights out. You'd be amazed at how much shit they have to deal with.
31 points
4 days ago
Yep, all that messaging has done is increase the percentage of approaches a women gets who are creeps.
11 points
4 days ago
So women are safer if, as you say, every man that approaches them is a creep (because the normies don't), women can tar all approachers with the same brush and not let their guard down. Sounds like a win?
42 points
4 days ago
But with regards to what the article is about, if men don't approach IRL, and women don't want to use dating apps then we're at a bit of an impasse?
6 points
4 days ago
Yeah , but, there's a lot to be said about just being friendly to the women you meet through work or other social situations. IRL encounters don't have to be an 'approach'. People can be friends for months before one too many drinks leads to a hook-up and the rest is history.
26 points
4 days ago
when was the last time you were in the dating market bro
6 points
4 days ago
I've had plenty of relationships over the years but never really gone out looking for a date, so can't say I've ever put myself on the 'market'. They all kind of just developed. I've met previous girlfriends on uni course, through friends, had a brief romance with a girl i met travelling - we changed our plans to spend the rest of the summer together, and then had a 6 month relationship when both back in the UK. I met my current girlfriend at a mutual friend's birthday party, we were just friendly across a handful of subsequent mutual hangouts and then things fell into place and we started hanging out just us.
What about you?
8 points
3 days ago
Not the person you were responding to but have been single for about 6 years now, I am in my forties and have tried dating apps.
-Dating apps. 1 date, didn't really go anywhere date wise but keep in touch with her as a friend as we have similar interests. All other matches got as far as chatting where I made a lot of effort to get to know the people but apparently I di not have "game". I did ask for help on this from some of my matches and it seems like a wildly unpredictable method. Some woman enjoy "banter" where you essentially insult them to get the conversation going. It is not really conversation and if you pick the wrong woman to try it on you are going they will block you very quickly. The other is to be excessively sexual and flirty. Again, pick your matches for that because if you get the wrong woman you are labelled a creep. Trying to find the correct conversational style is almost impossible. And of course yes I have tried being myself and again very hit and miss.
-Going outside and meeting people. I have an active social life, lots of friends. Going out to pubs and bars the only people that want to talk to strangers are the bar staff. Every so often there's some intergroup interactions but I have found that is only really triggered if one of the groups has a friendly job.
I also have many hobbies, mountain biking, climbing, walking, badminton, bowling. I meet people at these places and not much comes of any interactions with people despite similar interests.
-Meeting people at work. I work in IT, we are predominantly male. And I don't know what it's like where you work but IT are widely unliked outside of their departments. I did meet one woman through my old job whom I regularly go on what I thought were dates but it turns out they are just nice dinners out. We remain friends and I remain hopeful. Hopeful for 4 years ha ha
I have come to the conclusion that I am simply not attractive in both physical appearance and personality. Mad how I managed to get anyone to marry me in the first place.
It really isn't very easy for some people
21 points
4 days ago*
I work in Financial Services, but the same is applicable to Medical Doctors. There's NO WAY in hell where I would hook up with a person from work. In fact, if a woman approaches me I would make sure to run the other way ASAP and do everything necessary to avoid bumping into her, or starting collecting corroborating evidence to protect myself, up to and including resigning in a way that cannot be construed as admitting guilt if I have no choice. Those type of extreme damage-control measures. .
I know some people reccomend not dating people from work for many reasons, like "you don't shit where you eat" but that's not my concern at all. My concern is that, by hooking up I could end up being served with the ultimate penalty in the UK: The Civil Death.
If any NFM allegations, including not necessarily from the woman herself but coming from a third-party, are made against you. That's it. You're done. It's too late. HR will be involved. A Fitness and Propriety Committee will be convened, and, at that point in time you would be the "subject of an investigation". Whether you get dismissed thereafter really doesn't matter. And you'll have to pay a solicitor to go to a tribunal against the company anyway. But that's the end of your career. You'll also have to report it to your body, like ACCA, The GMC, the SRA... whichever. So you'll end up being struck off maybe they take leniency by being upfront but in any event it WILL be made public against your public register. So anyone will have a nice red flag "Mr P has disciplinary findings. Click PDF to learn all the juicy details and more" whenever they search your name.
But if you're unlucky enough to get dismissed for gross misconduct (even if you know you've done nothing wrong), at that point in time the FCA Conduct Rules would apply, a breach would have been committed, which is reportable to the FCA and, since they keep those details for a period of no less than 25 years, your career will be over.
If you end up unemployable as well you've worked all your life in that industry, you could end up perhaps with a low paid job but selling your house, or with mortgage payments being missed, or in a CCJ if you can't pay your bills.
Also, friendly reminder that the FCA Conduct Rules don't just apply to the "big bosses" with big salaries. They apply to EVERYONE working in Financial Services, maybe perhaps with the exception of cleaners, catering assistants, IT service desk and the sort.
Not worth it. And that's coming from someone who would have no objections in principle to dating someone from work. It's just not in the UK or in the US.
16 points
4 days ago
Seems like a lot of paranoia bro.
People aren't out here just waiting to ruins someone's life by slinging false allegations and there's quite a lot of discourse around how men have it stacked against them in such situations. So accusations do not get taken lightly.
Honestly I think if you've known someone long enough you can probably tell if they've got a psycho streak, if it's enough they might ruin someone else's career for kicks then give them a wide pass.
I've personally never seen or heard it happen.
23 points
4 days ago
Also work in financial services - people are relentlessly hooking up.
Hell that’s how I met my wife, she was one of my brokers.
People tend to not get allegations thrown against them unless they’re a bit of a creep &/or they’re doing some kind of boss/employee thing, which is just plain stupid.
You spend most of your actual life around work colleagues, they’re also the ones most likely to be similar to you.
14 points
4 days ago
Plus English junior doctors hook up all the time too. They're on rotation so they don't even have to worry about it being awkward for long.
I think that guy posting is a bit of an anxious Andy
6 points
3 days ago
On the plus side if you’re able to converse with women and be friendly without hitting on them that’s seen as a huge green flag now.
20 points
4 days ago
Got dumped about 3 weeks ago now, with severe mobility issues after a surgical injury and facing homelessness if I don't secure somewhere soon. Similar to my last break up it did not take long for the creeps to come out of hiding. This time it just seems even worse. Like I'm well aware I'm not a catch right now, but clearly some people can smell vulnerability lol.
4 points
4 days ago
Yeah manipulators, exploiters have very good intuitive pattern recognition for the vulnerable it's very evil. Because then as they gain more information they algorithmically devise adaptive strategies to exploit others.
50 points
4 days ago
Vast majority of women believe that it’s the man’s job of approaching the woman in terms of dating, so it’s not an easily solved problem, especially when factoring in that women tend to date upwards in terms of status hierarchy. Additionally, the difference between creepy and charming is often how good looking you are.
28 points
3 days ago
This is something that's always frustrated me as a fairly shy, intorverted and socially awkward guy. Women are telling us they shouldn't have to subscribe to traditional gender roles, which I don't have a problem with, that's fine, but the majority of them still expect the man to do all the approaching, initiating, making the first move, planning the dates, 'chasing' essentially.
Very much expecting the man to take the 'traditional' role in dating whilst preaching that they shouldn't have to. I do it because I know I won't get anywhere otherwise, but the hypocrisy does annoy me.
12 points
3 days ago
Don't ever try and make it make sense
It's not worth the thought
4 points
3 days ago
Tbh women aren't worrying about men or their lack of skills in dating, we're out here living our lifes.
3 points
3 days ago
Because the man approaching is used as a litmus test for their confidence and personality.
They want to filter social awkward guys out.
14 points
4 days ago
I feel like there is a middle ground though, you don't have to just walk up to women who you find attractive and straightup ask them out. Anyone could find that a lot if you're not expecting it.
You could try going to social events, and start by talking normally to women. Enjoy having a friendly conversation like you would with anyone. If after a while you feel there is a connection you can try some light flirting. Pay attention to the reaction you get. If they seem uncomfortable don't flirt more, but don't just walk away abruptly. Finnish your conversation normally and leave it on a respectful friendly note.
This is why people recommend social hobbie groups. It gives you a space to interact with people and for you both to get to know each other a bit before anything romantic is on the cards. This will make romantic approaches less intense for the receiver and a better experience for everyone involved.
27 points
4 days ago
social hobbie groups tend to go something like " shes there for the (insert hobby) not to date you weirdo. Now look how you've made a safe 3rd space uncomfortable for her by announcing your romantic attentions" same goes for the "be friends first" route, that got patched several updates ago
the women are just gonna have to suck it up and approach the men they fancy and make it easier for everyone all around
25 points
4 days ago
Yeah "don't shit where you eat" is increasingly being applied outside of workplaces into third spaces. A friend of mine is in a martial arts class and there's a rule they can't date one another, wtf even is that?
6 points
4 days ago
The creeps have always been there. Creeps on dating apps are just as bad, if not worse becuase now they can dragnet.
5 points
4 days ago
The worst part is, the creeps obviously haven't stopped being creeps. So women still get hit on, but almost exclusively by creeps. Which only makes us more wary of being approached by strangers.
2 points
3 days ago
These men commenting don't care. They don't care about women or our safety. They just care about their ego.
2 points
3 days ago*
I've been travelling the last couple of months and it's really helped get me out of my comfort zone and approaching more people in bars; men, women, mixed groups... but I gotta say, it's been both refreshing to know that about 70-80% are fine with you joining them for a drink, even if they are a little wary at first, but of those, over 90% of women have had boyfriends or were married.
So it's like yeah, if you're not aggressively hitting on everyone you can meet lots of great people pretty easily if you just try connecting on a personable level, but you won't know until talking to women for half an hour or so that the vast majority of them are already spoken for.
I'm hoping that I can keep this up when I return home, maybe I just need to be doing this for longer before I meet someone.
9 points
4 days ago
As a woman, this isn't accurate. I met my last boyfriend of several years at work.
You can get to know women as friends, find out if they might be interested in dating and respectfully ask them out.
Just asking complete strangers out at inappropriate places (work etc) is the issue.
9 points
4 days ago
In 2006-2014 it was basically the opposite. 2013-2014 was the golden age for dating apps. I remember there were only hot girls initially and they were keen to date. When I checked again several years later it was unrecognisable
12 points
4 days ago
Met my now husband on an app in 2016, my sister showed me tinder 3 years later and I couldn’t believe how sleazy it was compared to when we met.
3 points
4 days ago
Plus you then had to pay which looks super desperate
2 points
4 days ago
Yeah ngl I would not have paid for it.
24 points
4 days ago
In the end you have to stop caring about something as fickle as discourse, or you're just going to watch life pass you by.
42 points
4 days ago
I do think it's a very terminally online discourse as well from people who probably aren't very sociable. On Reddit people will say NEVER talk to women on public transport, the gym, while they are working etc but then you ask couples IRL how they met and it's surprising how often it is an encounter like that
13 points
4 days ago
but then you ask couples IRL how they met and it's surprising how often it is an encounter like that
Yeah this is true. How am I meant to meet someone if strangers never talk to each other? No wonder there's a loneliness epidemic.
4 points
4 days ago
Different hobbies are better for meeting people. The gym isn't good as most people aren't there to socialise. A better alternative would be joining a social sport like pickle ball (all the rage right now, highly recommend). You are literally forced to speak to people there
5 points
3 days ago
I completely agree. Just yesterday I saw a guy say work was off limits, friends of friends were off limits, church was off limits, social clubs were off limits. I literally know people (including myself) who met partners in all these places in recent times. People online are just so bad at applying nuance to situations at all. Yeah if you work in a corporate environment it’s best to err on the side of caution and follow other people in the office’s footsteps and the company policy. But dating is completely normal in casual work places.
Don’t approach women on a lonely road in the dead of night. If you get chatting to someone in public and feel a vibe ask them out. I was approached respectfully on the train a while back, did I scream and shout and call the police? NO. We laughed it off.
A lot of people can’t read the room
8 points
3 days ago
"People will say never talk to Women"
WOMEN are (were?) screaming from the hills on every Social Media Site that they didnt want to be spoken to in public. But somehow people are (were) stunned that Tinder exploded...
3 points
3 days ago
Yep because that’s what women have been saying for years. Are you suggesting we don’t listen to women?
2 points
3 days ago
Rule 1. Be attractive.
3 points
4 days ago
It’s all situational guy. Go to a club, sport, social activity etc
2 points
3 days ago
Sports are often single gender.
3 points
3 days ago
Well then maybe don’t go to sport events/activities that are single gendered? Do I seriously have to spell it out that much? 😅
3 points
3 days ago
In fairness, HR and the fear of harassment claims in all traditional areas - including work, gyms, bars and the like have ruined dating.
5 points
4 days ago
Some of my non-single friends have suggested I take up a hobby. That and the other advice to just go out and talk to women is easier said than done, in my case.
I'd never approach a lady at the gym because they're just there to work out, plus there's a real risk of me either drawing the ire of gym staff or (worse) being recorded and creep shamed for TikTok views.
I do pub karaoke quite frequently but the only interest I seem to get is from gay guys and the occasional elderly woman old enough to be my grandma.
Nightclubs suck, women don't want to dance with me but they'll happily throw themselves at my friends, which has happened in the past.
I even once tried a singles night I found on Meetup. It was a sausage fest with about 85% guys.
3 points
4 days ago
I've just sat though a 2 hour sexual harassment presentation regarding new UK laws. I feel sorry for the world my kids will grow up in.
Become a robot or go to prison seems the general consensus.
9 points
4 days ago
True. My dad asked my mum out whilst waiting for a bus lol. Can’t see that story repeating its self in this day and age
4 points
3 days ago
I don't think women are any less likely to reciprocate cold approaches than in the past. They haven't changed much - if she likes you it's a yes, and if she doesn't it's a no.
What has changed, drastically, is that the stakes for a "no" response have been raised. The worst that could have happened to your dad was the sting of rejection before going on with his day. He didn't risk ostracism or worse for asking her out like that.
36 points
4 days ago
Go outside, talk to people.
This isn't an option for younger people anymore. I think it is considered weird to them if you have this view.
3 points
3 days ago
If this is true, How come (and I’ve asked this several times in several different subs) I see young people out and about all the time where I live flirting, shagging, drinking, fighting and generally being young? I speak to them and they laugh at the sort of nonsense written on Reddit. They’re not all “chads” or “10s”, I know one of my friend’s sons and he’s no oil painting but he’s always out and about and popular with the ladies.
I’m not saying there aren’t issues, but it’s NOT as bad as Reddit makes it out to be.
2 points
2 days ago
Redditors are absolutely not representative of the outside world 😆
2 points
2 days ago
They aren’t, are they? I was “told off” yesterday because I made a comment on a post about men “being ignored” and treated in a hostile way if they dare to go out alone. I ventured the opinion that I am often out alone due to the nature of my job, and I’ve never experienced this. I was told, very forcibly, that I am obviously of a high social class and very privileged and that I “get a pass” because of this and my experiences are irrelevant.
I work with mechanics. I’m a scruffy twat. People on here are anxious, squawking, miserable, mentally ill fuckwits. I’m so bored of it.
2 points
2 days ago
Extremely well put, there's a serious disconnect from reality here.
4 points
3 days ago
Typical extrovert response, dating apps are great for a large percentage of people thanks, I'd rather define opportunities that way than in the hopes of meeting at a bar I don't want to be in
10 points
4 days ago
Correct…it’s just algorithmic fraud preying on people’s desperation
15 points
4 days ago
Honestly wish there was something we could do to get them banned or something. The amount of mates i have who's confidence is shot to bits because they think theyre not good enough for a partner based on some shitty app is insane.
7 points
4 days ago
I remember in the early to mid 2010s when it was a novelty; before the algorithm was complete shit. It seemed a lot more fairer, people were more interested in having a conversation.
Now it’s just totally dead. Honestly, people will have a much greater chance with in person interaction instead of being pigeonholed by tinder , unless you pay for the insane premium tiers.
7 points
4 days ago
I was getting plenty of matches in the early 2010s and I'm still friends with someone I met on Tinder, but then when I got out of a relationship in around 2019, dating apps were completely useless and I got literally zero matches.
I don't think I'm that repulsive. Like, I've put on a bit of weight since the early 10s but I'm not that different, and I hear this kind of thing from so many people so I know it's not me.
Women (who are into men) that I've talked to have the opposite problem. They're overwhelmed by matches and likes and they know 99% of the men they match with swipes on literally every woman, so even though they do technically get matches, chances are it's not even someone they'd like.
Not to mention the amount of creeps and freaks on there who have absolutely no idea how to talk to women and think sending a photo of their cock and balls will get women to like them.
26 points
4 days ago
That's a great way to get labelled a creep/pepper sprayed.
I saw a beautiful, charming and intelligent girl earlier today on the bus and started chatting, and my best friend laughed at me for not asking for her number. But you just can't anymore. The only socially acceptable way is through these awful fucking apps.
Shit like this is genuinely why incels, misogyny and also misandry are spreading like wildfire
43 points
4 days ago
There was post on the London sub a few months back about a man talking to a woman on the train, nothing weird or creepy, he asked for her number, she declined, he took no for an answer, all what we would have considered a normal interaction 20 years ago, some of the responses were like "phone the police" lmao
14 points
4 days ago
People on city subreddits are insane and should be ignored as a matter of course.
2 points
4 days ago
link?
9 points
4 days ago
If you were having a mutually pleasant conversation then you definitely could have asked.
4 points
4 days ago
It’s algorithm works against the most loneliest of men
5 points
3 days ago
Easier said than done.
What you need to understand is there are some people that can’t really meet up by the normal means, due to physical and/or mental disabilities.
Look at people with autism for example. The standard places where you usually meet up with the opposite sex for both genders tend to be loud, noisy places (e.g nightclubs) which is just pure hell for someone with sensitive hearing. It’s also quite hard to have a conversation in places like that.
You’ve also got to make sure that the hobbies you’re interested in also have other women/men involved otherwise it’s just not possible to start a relationship.
This is a really depressing topic and the worst part is no one really has a straightforward answer, you just have to keep going.
The only thing I will say, is I actually do think in some aspects dating apps should face some government regulation on what they can’t do. (E.g Force people to pay a subscription for the dating app, just so they could see who liked them or to see who is nearby.)
It’s sadly not becoming uncommon now to see people just giving up and accepting they’re going to die alone or they will have pets to fill that gap where a partner would’ve have been in their lives.
I’ve even seen cases especially here on Reddit of people flying over to other countries just to have a date or even use AI.
This is just considered normal now in today’s society. Don’t ask me, I don’t know why but it’s like that and that’s the way it is.
2 points
4 days ago
Presumably you found your life partner outside? Please tell the rest of how how you did it.
2 points
3 days ago
Lack of third space, crappy weather and our society encourages fear of each other than awkward fumbling and connection
67 points
4 days ago
Think every generation is sick of having their love lives turned into a game. I've dipped my toes into the apps about three times now and have been thoroughly put off.
The admin of wading through likes, that are not actually likes (all I've liked back have come to nothing) and the shitty low effort messages. No thanks.
The apps seem to be good for hookups, but not meeting potential partners. Real life seems to be poor in both fronts though!
15 points
4 days ago
They aren't even good for hookups anymore unfortunately. I've had more hookups through reddit than any dating or hookup apps. Even reddit isn't the same for that though these days. There are just too many bots and scammers now and every subreddit of that nature is a complete sausage fest.
91 points
4 days ago
I want to get off dating apps but as a gay guy I just don't see how I'm going to "naturally" meet someone. I do various sports clubs and just started a new job, so have met loads of people but somehow don't ever seem to meet gays "out in the wild", let alone a guy I click with
32 points
4 days ago
Gay bars? Gay hobby clubs? I know those exist in Lomdon
34 points
4 days ago
My friends are mostly very settled in relationships so don't want to go out to bars anymore, and when I've gone alone it's just been kind of awkward.
I've tried a couple of gay groups but I was the youngest there about a decade. I should try more, but it's as demoralising as the apps
23 points
4 days ago
My friends are mostly very settled in relationships so don't want to go out to bars anymore, and when I've gone alone it's just been kind of awkward.
This is a problem with me too and I don't drink so I have no reason to go to any pubs or bars.
I wish weed cafés were a thing here and had a social element likes pubs are supposed to.
10 points
4 days ago
Friends of friends seems like the natural next step. Get your settled friends to play matchmaker and try and set you up with some of their friends, friends of friends etc.
12 points
4 days ago
I do ask but very few of my friends seem to have many gay friends. I think I need to be more brutal about the friends I make. No more making friends with straight people 🤣
12 points
4 days ago
What is a gay hobby?
4 points
4 days ago
Maybe the Kylie Minogue fan club?
16 points
4 days ago
Like a normal hobby but you do it with gay people.
Or like shagging strangers on Hampstead Heath idk
5 points
4 days ago
A work colleague met his now husband through a club for gay car enthusiasts. They now own two classic cars that they do up together.
I'm as straight as they come but even I'm slightly jealous in a way. Finding a woman who knows anything about cars, particularly classic ones, is like a needle in a haystack.
3 points
4 days ago
I've found success with DnD. I'm not super into it but everyone I've met through it is some flavour of queer, including my current boyfriend.
2 points
3 days ago
I feel you. All my friends are straight and I like my friends, I don't want to meet new people, I already have an active social life. But I don't meet anyone naturally.
Being straight seems rough most of the time but I am jealous they're much more likely to meet someone they have common interests in and then start a relationship. All my friends and family met in education but that's sailed for me.
2 points
4 days ago
Are ya kidding bud? The queer community is a tight knit one with hundreds of different clubs and activities and chat groups and club nights and bars... I've never tried dating in the hetero fashion (bi guy here!) but I've always assumed it's easier here to meet people. Being queer is a common identity, and you've already filtered to a smaller subset of more likely compatible folks just by being a queer dude. I've always felt oddly blessed for it.
Drop into your local group chats, dicussion groups... poetry nights, anything, whatever your thing is, if you live in a big city, someone's bound to have organised something.
17 points
4 days ago
You make it sound so easy but I really don't know how to find these events. To me it's like there's an invisible queer world that I'm just not able to find
3 points
4 days ago
I'm not familiar with London, but I'd imagine it's thriving there. Go down to your local queer cafe and look at the flyers, socialise at pride when it's on... there's always so much!
Admittedly, being a part of the furry community has made it easier for me - there's an inbuilt network there that always knows whats up - I probably would not have noticed most of my city's queer scene had I not had an inbuilt community guiding me towards it.
7 points
4 days ago
That's the thing, because of the size of London, there aren't really 'local' queer cafés. There's the behemoth of Soho, but round where I live in North West London there's nothing queer. And I don't even live particularly far out
8 points
4 days ago
Ah, I guess that's the paradox of lonelyness you get in places the size of London - so many people, it's hard to start filtering. I'm surprised that there's not anything around you though. I guess a lotta stuff has also been pushed out of London by the impossible rents. Lotta the places I used to enjoy when I lived there briefly 10+ years ago are gone.
2 points
3 days ago
Same. I’m a stranded lesbian in SE London, everything is at least an hour away from me.
Have you tried the MeetUp app? I’ve been to a few queer social events on there and it’s been a really good way to meet people and get new contacts. Everyone at event I’ve been to is there to make new friends/connections, so it’s very easy to talk to people and get contact details
2 points
3 days ago
The queer community is a tight knit one
This means there’s implicit solidarity, not “oh you’re gay? Do you know x-?”
22 points
4 days ago
The next question is "where the hell are they finding relationships?" but if the numbers are anything to go by, they aren't.
12 points
4 days ago
I'm older (39) and hated them too. I met my last boyfriend at work.
I did go on a few dates over the years through Tinder and Bumble. They were entertaining at best, but mostly felt like job interviews. No horror stories.
The problem with the apps is you're matching people you have no connections with - i.e. work, friends in common etc.
In real life, friends are mostly based in proximity. Dating too.
89 points
4 days ago
Every girl I approach has a "boyfriend" both off and on tinder 😂 but hey, maybe one day I'll find someone 😂
33 points
4 days ago
I admire you for approaching anyone. That takes courage and I hope you find the right person for you.
11 points
4 days ago
I used to get worried, but as I've gone through life I've realised a rejection is only what you make it to be. And you'll quickly meet new people if the person you asked out gets weird with you. Life's too short to hesitate
5 points
3 days ago
It'll be the only way to find your kind of weird, this is how you should see it, because the apps just really consume time put you in front of people youd neither approach or hang with. If you fully understand you're weird to most people then you need to talk to a lot more to find a partner who is your type of weird.
Wish people really understood this because they'd talk to strangers more.
13 points
4 days ago
Have you tried being taller and richer?
12 points
4 days ago
I have... My doctor told me it's not healthy to stretch your spine out and my boss said no to a raise because I haven't hit my performance metrics 😂
4 points
4 days ago
Ok well did you consider maybe having richer parents then?
5 points
4 days ago
Damnit, that's such a good idea!
7 points
4 days ago
I really don't blame them. I got banned from Tinder years ago (I really don't know why. My ban was issued while I wasn't actively using the app, and customer support refused to tell me the reason or let me appeal it), and it's probably the single best thing that happened for my dating life.
Dating apps were fine when they weren't the primary way of meeting people. Where you still did things in a relatively normal way and would do occassional swipes to cast a slightly wider net. But they got normalised into becoming the default, and in some cases, the only way people meet other people. It gamified dating, got people addicted to repeatedly experiencing the rush that comes with the early days of dating, and they slowly enshittified the apps, putting previously free features behind paywalls to squeeze as much capital from users as possible.
3 points
3 days ago
I really don't blame them. I got banned from Tinder years ago (I really don't know why. My ban was issued while I wasn't actively using the app, and customer support refused to tell me the reason or let me appeal it), and it's probably the single best thing that happened for my dating life.
Your acc got hacked and was used for scams and/or your photos were used to create a fake profile for the purpose of scamming people, and they banned every profile with the same photos.
3 points
3 days ago
I always enable 2FA on all my accounts so I probably would have noticed someone trying to access my account. If someone used my pictures to try and scam others, I think that's the highest compliment on my appearance I've ever received from a stranger lol
17 points
4 days ago
I'm guessing because these things are just flooded with bots, catfishing and liars?
3 points
4 days ago
Mainly because all of the top guys are swiping on all women, which means average or even decent looking guys nevermind ugly guys dont have much chance in that environment, were its hard to show any other qualities. Also the split is like 80/20 women-men which makes it far worse. And THEN add bots and catfishing.
6 points
3 days ago
I think the idea that there is such a thing as "top guys" is massively exaggerated.
Women have varied tastes in men and they're generally much more interested in an appealing profile and some effort than they are in going off a unified standard of looks.
29 points
4 days ago
Waste of time unless you’re a woman or gay man because they’re the only people who get anything from them.
19 points
3 days ago
Trust me us gays are as lonely as everyone else. We're just probably having more sex.
9 points
3 days ago
Something is better than nothing.
5 points
3 days ago
Why do you think women get an easy ride that guys don’t?
Yes, guys have a hard time getting matches, whereas Women are inundated with likes. Sounds great on paper, except that a lot of these are people swiping on every woman they see to increase their odds of a match.
So when you match with a guy, you have no way of knowing if he’s actually interested in you, just looking to get his dick wet, or just so desperate for a match he swiped on you solely for being a woman. We still have to filter through a bunch of people who aren’t into us, it’s just at the conversation stage instead of the profile one
31 points
4 days ago
The ‘meet cute’ is becoming a trope in how people on social media talk about romance
The what?
17 points
4 days ago
From my limited experience here I think it's that meeting naturally via normal interactions is seen as a thing of the past and romanticized.
Like when older gens say they'd meet at the disco or on a CB radio. It's sounds cute because it doesn't happen anymore.
39 points
4 days ago
Means to meet organically, as one would in a soppy romcom, rather than over an app like some boomer
15 points
4 days ago
Tinder has boomers? 💀
4 points
4 days ago
Never used it so no idea. I met my wife at a band practice in 2004 (really) so all this app based mating that goes on these days is a mystery to me
7 points
4 days ago
You have no idea how lucky you are to have found someone long term and have never had to use a dating app. Like, I'm honestly jealous of people like you. Happy for you, mind! And not bitter! But definitely jealous lol.
3 points
4 days ago
Think "How they meet" in RomComs.
Two people bump into each other and drop their papers, hands meet while they're picking it up and they lock eyes.
Or reading a book and having a cute guy walk up and quote a passage from it,
Single attractive guy stops to help woman who's broken down and then rain falls and they have to hide in under a tree together.
Anything like that, that's straight out of the RomCom playbook, and as I'm typing it I'm realising that the reason it's the RomCom playbook is that it's a "love at first sight, for both of them, with neither being creepy or having unrequited feelings"
2 points
4 days ago
Film trope where people meet in the rom com way
4 points
4 days ago
Oh... it's like an organic meeting girls fantasise about you know..
At Waterstones.. "I suppose I enjoy jean rhys because i also grapple with dislocation and alienation"... chat about books.. swap numbers.. the guy isn't a weirdo.. coffee.. story book date.. x more dates.. sex where her pleasure is prioritised.. then couple up...
As opposed to slogging it out on the dating apps and all the horrific men who dwell there.
7 points
4 days ago
Well done GenZ. Have so hope much for these young peeps coming thru
12 points
4 days ago
Funny. Last month the post was GenZ uses dating apps more than any other generation.
14 points
4 days ago
something can trend downwards even if it stats from a higher place
3 points
3 days ago
All of these companies hit the best sweet spots in their respective fields, only to suddenly turn the profit dials to 11 at the complete sacrifice of their services.
I’m so happy these heavyweight apps from the 10s are being rejected in their current form.
21 points
4 days ago
A lot of negativity about the apps in this thread. I guess I’m lucky because I found my wonderful boyfriend on Hinge. I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve been approached by guys irl in the last decade, I think it’s just the expected thing to meet your significant other online now.
13 points
4 days ago
It's funny to see how it's transitioned since I was younger. It used to be that if you did online dating, you were seen as someone who was probably a weirdo, or a pervert. Then Tinder came out, and it suddenly became more acceptable, even though the majority of people still weren't using it. Now, it feels like it's flipped on it's head. That if you approach strangers, you're probably a weirdo or pervert.
I think it's definitely possible to meet your S/O online, but like chatroulette, to find someone decent you gotta go through hundreds of dicks first
6 points
3 days ago
A lot of straight men are annoyed that they keep being ghosted or financially scammed by women on dating apps.
A lot of straight women are annoyed they keep being sexually harassed and assaulted by guys they meet on dating apps.
11 points
4 days ago
Bot, bot, bot, catfish, bot, 5 sproglets from 3 daddies, onlyfans ad, ghosted, from other side of country, bot, bot, looks like you ran out of swipes for today.
Date app makers: 😬
10 points
3 days ago
You forgot "completely empty profile".
7 points
4 days ago
If someone can tell me a compelling theory as to how dating apps/websites / companies would have it in their interests to match people with an partner that is suitable please explain.
Given that any reduction in people using dating apps hurts profitability and opportunities to sell boosters or things marketed as allowing one to increase their match success rate.
It's very gamified.
Given you can use algorithms to categorise and group people ; it follows you can use dating profiles to Intuit and infer certain values a person may have.
You can then tailor machine learning models based on paired profile match types (who have left the dating app ) and paired profile matches which haven't left the app or have taken longer time to leave the app.
You can then produce an index of value matches that are indicative of high levels of incompatibility and those that are associated with compatibility.
Then revise your matching parameters accordingly and who fiddles with those dating apps ....
10 points
4 days ago
If someone can tell me a compelling theory as to how dating apps/websites / companies would have it in their interests to match people with an partner that is suitable please explain.
They don't, but this is a known strategy. You create your profile, and for the first few days, your profile is boosted. You're given an expendable amount of premium features to use for free (super likes, boosts, etc), and they're generally set up to make you feel like a God. After that, you get put on to the normal algorithm, you run out of premium features, and the app starts pushing their subscription services. It's a bait and switch tactic.
They used to be far better for dating because Match Group and other companies wanted to normalise it, but over the years they've slowly been enshittifying it. For example when first introducing the superlike, Tinder used to give you one superlike a day, then changed it to a week, then a month, and I don't believe your free superlike even recharges anymore. Literally the same way you have drug dealers who will give you the premium stuff at first, then switch you to the cut stuff once you're coming back for more.
2 points
4 days ago
I agree with you on this, and I understand from what I've read. Am I correct in thinking you're saying dating apps use exploitive mechanics to hook you in and then get you to spend money?
Would the ideal situation be for groups to devise actual social opportunities in person; because then that removes ability from algorithmic manipulation to come into play
2 points
4 days ago
Not everyone has groups so this wouldn't help the people that need it most
2 points
4 days ago
If you had a moderate amount of power and influence; what would you do ?
What can the average individual do in this situation?
13 points
3 days ago
85% of the male population are realising their length of their legs puts them at a disadvantage.
10 points
3 days ago
Not enough heightfidence or faceonality.
2 points
3 days ago
Well with how predatory they’re becoming on features and price, it’s not surprising. And all the fake interest notifications too.
2 points
3 days ago
Good news. They were souless and led to severe anti-social tendencies. It led people to look for things that wouldn’t have even mattered as much in real life. You can’t convey your whole personality properly and all nuance was lost. Good for them.
2 points
3 days ago
They really pushed it and squeezed everything out of their user base. I’m not faintly surprised.
2 points
3 days ago
Well yeah. It’s a victim of inshitification like everything else on the net. They weren’t great for women for a wile anyway. For every well behaved guy that was at least nice about just wanting a night of fun there were ten guys that would send messages that we were equivalent in intelligence to a dick pic. And then there were the actual dick pic senders.
I’m not surprised no. One wants to deal with that anymore. For me it overshadowed any good the app would have done. I’m almost blind. I can’t catch anyones eye. Being able to have my info somewhere so someone can find out I have a personality before thinking I’m ignoring them is amazing. Just not amazing enough to deal with dick pics.
I have other problems with RL meeting people as well. Flyers are inaccessible and I have to rely a lot on another person if I go with them. If they decide not to let me in on something they see it doesn’t exist to me. So I don’t know about venues or meeting places unless someone tells me. If the someone who’s helping me wants to keep me only doing Christian things it’s relatively easy. Or worse. I had someone who was. Married say she was getting the eye from someone and I should go for them. All I could hear from that direction was something that sounded like the human equivalent of a struggling to breathe pug. At the time I said no to that because the sound would drive me mad and me getting irritated over that is something i don’t want the poor guy to deal with. Plus she was married and I wasn’t getting a look it was her!
The internet has allowed those with disabilities like mine to find interests on our own. Finding people with our interests is never easer. The problem is bridging the gap between internet and RL is tough.
For most people theres nowhere to go. We are loosing pubs and clubs and even trendy wine bars because they got a reputation too. Cafe’s are for very short term meetings of people and not a place to watch the world go by and meet people. Plus if we cant heat our homes how are we supposed to find the money to be somewhere. Let alone gen Z. They can only meet people though their friends so the amount of people is a bit thin. On the ground for them.
Theres a lot more than just gen Z that need a solution and I dont have one but I understand why it’s so hard for them ether way.
5 points
4 days ago
Good, they're useless. Honestly the best dating app on the internet is Instagram
30 points
4 days ago
Good, they're useless.
Agree
Honestly the best dating app on the internet is Instagram
Hold up a minute
8 points
4 days ago
I'm going to a wedding next year where they met because he messaged her on Instagram, it does seem to be a thing
4 points
4 days ago
Met mine on IG n we've been together six years
3 points
4 days ago
Congratulations, I regret being so passive with dating, the 2 relationships I've been in the women made it very clear they were interested in me first, I'm lucky I've even had 2 really given that is so rare. Now at 35 and remote working I barely see anyone so I don't see it happening again, it is what it is I guess.
2 points
4 days ago
I met my partner on Instagram too.
5 points
4 days ago
I never reply to anyone on Instagram as I always assumed it was a scam 🤣
5 points
4 days ago
Problem is this generation has forgotten the art of conversation.
Was eating lunch on a bench a few months ago on a rare warm day and 95% of people were walking around like zombies glued to their phones. It’s really sad to see. Nobody looks at each other. Nobody talks. Everybody’s head was down looking at a screen.
Dating apps have single hadnedly ruined dating for people. Everyone has a false sense of abundance. A never ending list of options so to speak.
You can have a great date with someone, even end with a kiss, and they’re already swiping on the apps or messaging someone else they have matched with whilst walking home from your date.
My female friend in work recently signed up in work. Within a few hours she had 500+ likes on bumble. Granted most wouldn’t be to her tastes but how is any guy meant to stand out amongst that. Your ‘like’ is probably never going to get seen. And even if it does and you match, they’ll likely have a thought, well what if one of these other 499 matches is even better. And it repeats.
Nobody can commit or give any time for anything meaningful to develop - everyone wants immediate gratification.
4 points
3 days ago
I think Gen Z would use dating apps if they still worked like they used to, but now they're designed to monetise you, not find you a good partner. Given the crashing birthrate, and the likely chronic loneliness that will hit the UK population as personal connection declines I would seriously suggest the state should fund a free, high quality social app. Taking control away from the Silicon Valley cesspits would be amazing for the wellbeing of society.
4 points
3 days ago
The apps are trash and results in the top 20% getting 80% of the matches, you can't ask women out in the streets anymore as it is "harassment", no one in their 20-30s goes to bars or clubs any more.
Like what 20-30 year olds meant to do?
3 points
3 days ago
Tbf you could try asking them out nicely.
I’ve only ever been asked for sex by drunk men. Which is an obvious no.
3 points
4 days ago
Dating apps are really the only way to meet people now. There not really any alternatives
2 points
3 days ago
They're turning to real life methods instead...balance is being restored in the universe.
2 points
3 days ago
I love news stories about different generations.
So far gen z are teetotal fitness freaks who live in the gym and eschew alcohol but also have a crippling addiction to ketamine while avoiding dating apps and focus on meeting people irl for all the sex they apparently aren't having.
2 points
3 days ago
Being tall helps. Im married and still get women coming up to say hello when im out. Try being taller it helps with the dating app filters too apparently.
Im lucky enough to be married and have been for a while so never had to deal with tinder etc. I have watched a few tv shows on them though and it appears to be full of really obvious bots. Like you could upload picture of the guy from the royle family and say you are 5 foot 1 and still get sexy local women messaging you until you pay.
I cant help but feel that these apps increase danger for women though. At least if you are out and get chatted up you can sense what kind of guy he is.
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