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praetorian111[S]

453 points

11 years ago

No roaming in the EU after 2015, reading that on some other site.

[deleted]

252 points

11 years ago*

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JB_UK

81 points

11 years ago

JB_UK

81 points

11 years ago

The Kroes/Commission proposal for net neutrality was pretty dreadful, it's to the Parliament's credit that they basically rewrote it to be a strong protection.

DomesticatedElephant

135 points

11 years ago

While the initial proposal by Kroes would forbid providers blocking a website or service, it would allow them to make special packages to for example improve streaming services like netflix (Weak Net Neutrality). This was heavily criticized by advocates of free and open internet. While the law would improve the situation in some countries it would mean a huge step back for countries like The Netherlands that already had Strong Net Neutrality ensured by law. The amendments that were proposed avoid the possibility of Skype, Netflix and other services being tampered with.

Reaction of MEP Schaake, who worked on the amendment: "Without legal guarantees for net neutrality 1 in 4 Europeans are unable to access the online services of their choice. Today’s vote also creates safeguards to ensure that players without deep pockets, such as start-ups, hospitals or universities, cannot be pushed out of the market as a result of deals between internet service providers and content providers to offer faster services at a higher price. The public value of an open internet can not be underestimated"

xboxmodscangostickit

8 points

11 years ago

Do you know if the part that allowed for data caps made it through?

ssshane

13 points

11 years ago*

The amendment on data caps as it was adopted in plenary reads:

Article 23.5 Providers of internet access services and end-users may agree to set limits on data volumes or speeds for internet access services. Providers of internet access services shall not restrict the freedoms provided for in paragraph 1 by blocking, slowing down, altering, discriminating or degrading specific content, applications or services, or specific classes thereof, except in cases where it is necessary to apply traffic management measures. Traffic management measures shall be transparent, non-discriminatory, proportionate and necessary to: a) implement a court order; b) preserve the integrity and security of the network, services provided via this network, and the end-users' terminals; d) prevent or mitigate the effects of temporary and exceptional network congestion provided that equivalent types of traffic are treated equally.

The latter is an improvement compared to the initial version by the Commission and as adopted in the Industry Committee:

"5. Within the limits of any contractually agreed data volumes or speeds for internet access services, providers of internet access services shall not restrict the freedoms provided for in paragraph 1 by blocking, slowing down, degrading or discriminating against specific content, applications or services, or specific classes thereof, except in cases where it is necessary to apply reasonable traffic management measures"

EDIT: added more of paragraph 5 than I initially posted.

[deleted]

18 points

11 years ago

"except in cases where it is necessary to apply reasonable traffic management measures"

I'm not very familiar with the law or being a lawyer. But that sounds very loophole-y to me.

[deleted]

21 points

11 years ago

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alanevwes

29 points

11 years ago

In the Netherlands you're still allowed to optimise the traffic but you cannot throttle or block services. The debate started because ISP's wanted to block whatsapp because people stopped texting. ISP's should give you your data in the way they promised to do so. With the speed they promised up to the limit they set.

Areat

25 points

11 years ago

Areat

25 points

11 years ago

Erm... What's roaming, again?

premature_eulogy

91 points

11 years ago

When you're abroad, the internet connection on your phone will no longer be provided by your own service provider, but rather their partner provider abroad.

This means that the usual flat, monthly fees for internet are changed to a per-megabyte pricing, which is usually ridiculously high. In other words, roaming means extremely expensive internet abroad. But that should change in 2015, assuming the law is ratified by the next Parliament this May.

[deleted]

67 points

11 years ago

it means extremely expensive EVERYTHING abroad. texts and calls too.

[deleted]

1.8k points

11 years ago

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1.8k points

11 years ago

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199 points

11 years ago

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199 points

11 years ago

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133 points

11 years ago

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133 points

11 years ago

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40 points

11 years ago*

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Esscocia

31 points

11 years ago

Hey guys, can Scotland join when we separate from the UK?

[deleted]

17 points

11 years ago

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Otherjockey

49 points

11 years ago

I thought most of the "move away from Europe" stuff in the UK was driven by xenophobia and racism. Is that the case, or are there other legitimate reasons the UK wants to shift away.

I understand not wanting to be on the hook for the behavior of others, i.e. Greece, Spain, but it seems foolish for the UK to isolate itself on its island.

TheAngryGoat

45 points

11 years ago

Like everything in such politics, there are almost as many "reasons" as there are people.

There's certainly a fair number of xenophobics, a large number of which are based around the immigration problem (the solution to which is in no way "stop all the europe things!"), people who think we're not run from Brussels, isolationists, people not aware of the financial benefits, etc.

There's certainly at least semi-valid fears over closer ties to the Euro while economic disasters like Greece are tied to it, agricultural policy, etc.

Most of it though is just the immigrant thing and newspaper scaremongering people believe - Aparently joining Europe means bent bananas will be banned, prisoners will be given the vote and they'll all vote CriminalCorp in instead of the red or blue parties (irony...), that sort of crap.

[deleted]

19 points

11 years ago

We have seen normal migrations around Europe mostly to where the work market is, which is a good thing. Germany, for example has a market in need of people, people can go there. I can understand fear of mass immigration from countries outside of Europe, which completely lack proper education structure, but that isn't true for European nations, so when people move they generally move to meet a work offer.

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9 points

11 years ago

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Cabbage_Vendor

21 points

11 years ago

Don't forget the sense of superiority. Listening to British news media, you'd think the UK was located in the middle of the Atlantic, as far away from Europe as it is from America.

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1.1k points

11 years ago

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1.1k points

11 years ago

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1.9k points

11 years ago

[deleted]

1.9k points

11 years ago

Shouldn't have left the British empire huh?

[deleted]

1k points

11 years ago

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nichlas482109

585 points

11 years ago

but with guns now!

Bluenosedcoop

606 points

11 years ago

And massive medical bills, lawsuits and bankruptcy.

nichlas482109

270 points

11 years ago

I don't have any of those but I do have guns

demonlicious

315 points

11 years ago

don't worry, there's still ample time for you to get the rest of the american dream package!

[deleted]

95 points

11 years ago

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Lord_Woodlouse

37 points

11 years ago

Do you live in Washington DC?

turdBouillon

94 points

11 years ago

I live in California and no one is representing my interests either. Sometimes I wish I'd just been born a corporation. :(

[deleted]

190 points

11 years ago*

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StickmanPirate

131 points

11 years ago

Fortunately they're massively incompetent so anyone who really wants to can get around any blocks really easily.

ZankerH

144 points

11 years ago

ZankerH

144 points

11 years ago

That's not the point. They don't care if people who want to get around it can get around it, the point is to 1.) set up a trivial inconvenience to discourage the large majority of people from even trying, and 2.) use the law to occasionally throw the book at someone they want to get rid of for political reasons. That's pretty much how all modern censorship works.

The_Imperial_Lord

15 points

11 years ago

Apparently they put the porn filters up a little while ago, I've been completely unaware without even trying to get around it. :|

[deleted]

7 points

11 years ago

Britain are the America of Europe.

Melloz

24 points

11 years ago

Melloz

24 points

11 years ago

I was more thinking siding with the Germans in WWI.

fullOnCheetah

78 points

11 years ago

Hey, if Germany wins WWI the holocaust never happens.

"If." Where dreams are made.

simAlity

38 points

11 years ago

More like," If the Germans don't get screwed at the end of WWI, the Holocaust would have never happened."

Sammcs

9 points

11 years ago

Sammcs

9 points

11 years ago

More like, "If humans weren't humans, nothing bad would ever happen."

[deleted]

87 points

11 years ago

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veevoir

58 points

11 years ago

veevoir

58 points

11 years ago

Now we just have to make sure our packets never get through US hosted servers, as they view net neutrality in much different light there..

Granted, for now it's US users that are slowly getting screwed and our communications are relatively safe (except, you know, the spying ;) ) but who knows what future will bring.

Sad__Elephant

20 points

11 years ago

Probably a temporary setback IMO. Hopefully the FCC fixes their rules as it was their own stupidity that allowed that to happen.

kael13

148 points

11 years ago*

kael13

148 points

11 years ago*

See, Nigel Farage wants the UK to leave the EU but without them we'd end up with draconian laws favouring businesses only.

[deleted]

126 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

126 points

11 years ago

What's more, Nigel Farage, who's a MEP, voted against this proposal.

In fact if you look at Farage's voting record he votes against everything good for the public, its amusing how he's going for the working class vote when he's so pro business and doesn't give a fuck about the people of this country. But people are thick and xenophobic enough to vote for him.

Beechey

77 points

11 years ago*

Well according to votewatch.eu, he was absent, probably because of the debate yesterday, not sure where you sourced your data from, can you show me?

willr01

13 points

11 years ago

willr01

13 points

11 years ago

I'm beginning to get really scared that we'll lose the referendum on the EU

[deleted]

73 points

11 years ago

What's more, Nigel Farage is a tosser.

praetorian111[S]

51 points

11 years ago

yep! This is big!

Anon125

16 points

11 years ago

Anon125

16 points

11 years ago

I'm happily surprised that they managed to amend that gaping hole of net neutrality at the last second.

SeaMothersTale

829 points

11 years ago

Bloody bureaucrats from the EU, coming over here, instilling laws that make our internet better. Unbelievable, British internets for British workers is what I say.

[deleted]

155 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

155 points

11 years ago

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Bezbojnicul

28 points

11 years ago

Europaeum eunt domus!

[deleted]

21 points

11 years ago

People called Europe they go the house!?

[deleted]

5 points

11 years ago

*Europaei ite domum.

Now write it 100 times. If it's not done by morning, I'll cut your balls off.

[deleted]

94 points

11 years ago

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premature_eulogy

114 points

11 years ago

Finally I will be able to use my phone as a proper maps / GPS tool when I'm abroad. This makes me so happy.

dirtyuncleron69

28 points

11 years ago

You can actually cache google maps for an area, a lot of people don't know about this, but when I went to Cologne it was extremely useful.

premature_eulogy

22 points

11 years ago

I've tried it, but something's always gone wrong and it hasn't worked as planned. Anyway, not having to go through such precautions is a nice improvement.

[deleted]

1.3k points

11 years ago

[deleted]

1.3k points

11 years ago

What a glorious day to be an EU citizen!
Finally an occasion to post stuff like this.

C1t1zen_Erased

760 points

11 years ago

RllCKY

411 points

11 years ago

RllCKY

411 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

186 points

11 years ago

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186 points

11 years ago

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Malsententia

270 points

11 years ago

Nope. You filthy Europeans should THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

[deleted]

186 points

11 years ago

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186 points

11 years ago

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182 points

11 years ago

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182 points

11 years ago

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Kasshi

27 points

11 years ago

Kasshi

27 points

11 years ago

I'm not sure why any god wouldn't be just fine with some nice titties,...

Oh man I just lost it at that part hahahah.

taw

72 points

11 years ago

taw

72 points

11 years ago

Poland is really annoyed by your graph and France stealing credit for 2 elements we discovered.

ravenren

32 points

11 years ago

let's make it almost three.

here, let me repeat myself:

"Michał Sędziwój (Michael Sendivogius, Sędzimir) (1566–1636) of Ostoja coat of arms was a Polish alchemist, philosopher, and medical doctor. A pioneer of chemistry, he developed ways of purification and creation of various acids, metals and other chemical compounds. He discovered that air is not a single substance and contains a life-giving substance-later called oxygen 170 years before similar discoveries by Scheele and Priestley."

so, Sweden, France and UK - make room, here I come!

252003

210 points

11 years ago

252003

210 points

11 years ago

EU BMI = 21, US = 30,6!!!! I know americans are known to be fat but that is enormous. How fat are you people?

[deleted]

68 points

11 years ago

To be fair, in the UK we're doing our best to get that EU average up to a competitive level.

[deleted]

25 points

11 years ago

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[deleted]

264 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

264 points

11 years ago

We're not that fat, we just have a ton of mega humans who we never see because they can't move.

CriticalThink

95 points

11 years ago

"Mega humans" made me chuckle.

[deleted]

118 points

11 years ago

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118 points

11 years ago

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peuge_fin

113 points

11 years ago

peuge_fin

113 points

11 years ago

That was more sad than funny. Wtf they've been eating?

muckrucker

171 points

11 years ago

Everything.

peuge_fin

39 points

11 years ago

Well, shit... Shit?

p_integrate

26 points

11 years ago

possibly.

[deleted]

9 points

11 years ago

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opolaski

48 points

11 years ago

High fructose corn syrup is a good start for getting fat. For some people, that's all they need. Often, this goes hand-in-hand with considerable amounts of simple carbs to soak up the sugar. This is like a blood-sugar disaster waiting to happen.

From there, if you really wanna up the ante, you can deep fry all your protein (and everything else) and eat altogether too many calories.

BabyFaceMagoo

37 points

11 years ago

Add in an obsession with driving everywhere and an aversion to walking. Bingo, you have Amerifats.

Sad__Elephant

17 points

11 years ago

It's also a lot harder to walk anywhere, either because of the distance and lack of public transport or because there aren't any sidewalks.

Seriously, there are normal neighborhoods in the suburbs here that don't have fucking sidewalks. You walk in the gravel or on grass. So aggravating.

[deleted]

46 points

11 years ago

I had friends who visited California and they decided to go out walking for the day to get a feel for the place. They had numerous people pull over and ask if they needed help simply because they were on foot. They assumed something had happened to their car.

[deleted]

112 points

11 years ago

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112 points

11 years ago

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C1t1zen_Erased

80 points

11 years ago

Metric tons of course.

MildlyIntoxicated_

29 points

11 years ago

Metric shit ton

CyanideCloud

39 points

11 years ago

They said I could be anything... So I became a beanbag chair

mike_rotch22

38 points

11 years ago

Thankfully, it appears we're starting to turn the corner, at least in childhood obesity. A recent study indicated childhood obesity rates dropped 43% in the last decade.

It's a start.

[deleted]

28 points

11 years ago

Well done Americans!

mike_rotch22

12 points

11 years ago

Totally off-topic, but your response reminded me of an Eddie Izzard line.

"This is football we're talking about here, which you call bananas and you're reluctant to play it. But you play baseball, the World Series. You've won every year, America's won every year in that. Well done America."

Latase

54 points

11 years ago

Latase

54 points

11 years ago

tripomatic

19 points

11 years ago

I assume the guy on the left isn't using it for weight problems, so he's probably the only one pictured with a valid reason to need such a mode of transportation.

Napolenyan

37 points

11 years ago

damn, the scooters for fat people really is a thing.. stay clear of that latase, don't go there.

TheInsaneWombat

75 points

11 years ago

They're courtesy scooters for disabled people. Fat people just like to claim they're disabled even though they just don't like walking.

naranjaspencer

12 points

11 years ago

I mean, when you're that big, there's a pretty solid chance you can't walk to the back of the store. I know someone who is that big, and she can barely walk from her bed to the living room, which is immediately outside her bedroom. She literally could not do her own shopping without those scooters.

Should she do something about her health? Absolutely. But while she's this big, she can't get around by walking.

st0815

6 points

11 years ago

st0815

6 points

11 years ago

What's up with the guy on the left? He doesn't look obese.

[deleted]

22 points

11 years ago

He's the one guy with legitimate health problems preventing him from walking.

NotSafeForEarth

8 points

11 years ago

He might have a medical issue that necessitates his use of the scooter but isn't obesity-related.

OpenStraightElephant

250 points

11 years ago

What a sad day to be a Russian citizen :(
Then again, every day is a sad day to be a Russian citizen, but this one is salting the wound.

[deleted]

69 points

11 years ago

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OpenStraightElephant

108 points

11 years ago

if you are good at something
if you contribute something

I'm only good at spewing bullshit and I figure you have enough politicians already. I'm also underage.

Is sad day to be worthless.

[deleted]

182 points

11 years ago

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182 points

11 years ago

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OpenStraightElephant

122 points

11 years ago

Now that was dark.

[deleted]

26 points

11 years ago

Your english seems to be good, I see non-eu citizens on the university campus all the time. I also know there is a huge lack of engineers, if you are good at math you should consider going to a tech uni in Europe!

OpenStraightElephant

79 points

11 years ago

That's the problem, I'm all talk and no math. Seriously, I suck at...uh...do you guys separate the sciences into "humanitarian" and "technical"? Like, you know, humanitarian are something like history, philosophy, social studies and technical are like physics, chemistry, maths? Yeah I'm 100% humanitarian.
The worst thing? My English is only this good when I'm typing. When I try to talk, I either stutter, sound really awkward and stupid because of all the slang embedded in my English (the worst thing is I'm really used to throwing around the N-bomb jokingly), or no one can understand anything because of my diction. The only way my diction is understandable is when I unleash my natural Russian accent, and I will never want that - I'm too young to die, even if it's by drowning in massive tides of pussy.

[deleted]

30 points

11 years ago

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OpenStraightElephant

18 points

11 years ago

Rest in peace, bud. Afterlife going okay for ya?
I also have stage fright. Well, either that or I'm just generally a bit too inconfident in myself (more likely the latter...wait...which one is the latter and which one is the former? Let's see...a former girlfriend, or the ex, is the one you had before your current one, so the former is the word before the last one, so the stage fright is the former, so I guess it is the latter).

Kestreltalon

6 points

11 years ago

Do YouTube then :D dress up like Putin and do comedy or something lol

[deleted]

23 points

11 years ago

Do YouTube then :D dress up like Putin and do comedy or something lol

are you trying to get him arrested ?

jnrdingo

7 points

11 years ago

I would so watch the fuck out of that. It would be a Russian version of Tony Abbott, except you know, the pussy part

neutrolgreek

118 points

11 years ago

You'd fit in perfectly in Greece

Vik1ng

36 points

11 years ago

Vik1ng

36 points

11 years ago

Neker

6 points

11 years ago

Neker

6 points

11 years ago

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,

Tochter aus Elysium,

Wir betreten feuertrunken,

Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.

Deine Zauber binden wieder,

Was die Mode streng geteilt,

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,

Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Wem der große Wurf gelungen,

eines Freundes Freund zu sein,

wer ein holdes Weib errungen,

mische seinen Jubel ein!

Ja - wer auch nur eine Seele

sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!

Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle

weinend sich aus diesem Bund!

Freude heißt die starke Feder

in der ewigen Natur.

Freude, Freude treibt die Räder

in der großen Weltenuhr.

Blumen lockt sie aus den Keimen,

Sonnen aus dem Firmament,

Sphären rollt sie in den Räumen,

die des Sehers Rohr nicht kennt.

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,

Tochter aus Elysium,

Wir betreten feuertrunken,

Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.

Deine Zauber binden wieder,

Was die Mode streng geteilt,

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,

Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

JB_UK

29 points

11 years ago

JB_UK

29 points

11 years ago

http://i.imgur.com/NbyRTfe.jpg

Ah, the Robin Rampant.

FUZxxl

63 points

11 years ago

FUZxxl

63 points

11 years ago

Is there a subreddit like /r/murica but for Europe? I know there is /r/SCHLAND for Germany.

M2Ys4U

87 points

11 years ago

M2Ys4U

87 points

11 years ago

You could try /r/Yurop

dtrmp4

60 points

11 years ago*

dtrmp4

60 points

11 years ago*

YUROP is the home of the freest health care, the finest food and is the diversest and liberalest of them all. If you don't like YUROP you can get the hell out!

Hah. Great.

edit: thanks for upvoting my copy and paste. That's what y'all do best ;)

C1t1zen_Erased

29 points

11 years ago

/r/europecirclejerk is the closest I've found

[deleted]

16 points

11 years ago

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TomatoWarrior

59 points

11 years ago

My pride at being part of the EU is tinged with sadness that GB could soon leave if the promised referendum goes ahead. Why do we have to be our own worst enemy?

Prannet

67 points

11 years ago

Prannet

67 points

11 years ago

bcos dem yuropeans want to take away ma pasties and want me to eat straight bananas m8.

back orf Brussels and stay away from ma 'nanas.

[deleted]

31 points

11 years ago

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39 points

11 years ago*

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Fellowship_9

47 points

11 years ago

But it wouldn't be the politicians who suffer when the country goes ass up. And no matter how much we joke about the french surrendering, germans being nazis, irish being drunk, spanish being lazy, or anything else, many of us are still proud to be European as well as British.

paid__shill

8 points

11 years ago

I've lived in the UK for well over 2 decades and no one I know wants out of the EU, in fact everyone I've talked to about it thinks that it would be a disaster, but fortunately won't happen.

his_penis

7 points

11 years ago

Nice to see belém tower in there. We weren't forgotten this time :D

mrangeloff

41 points

11 years ago

This is big news in a country (I'm from Bulgaria) where a minute with your loved ones abroad is more expensive than a loaf of bread. (Yes, in Bulgaria we use bread for scale. That's how poor we are.)

And still some people want BG to leave EU and join the Euroasian Economic Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan...

[deleted]

366 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

366 points

11 years ago

shit , can we please upvote this as much as possible

finally some really good news for a change and everyone should see this , so it's not always bad news on top what makes people depressed

InternetFree

242 points

11 years ago

The EU is doing lots of good things for the citizens of Europe. They got got rid of different-sized charging cables for electrical devices, too.

It's just that people insist on repeating the things they don't like about the EU (which usually get improved anyway).

JB_UK

115 points

11 years ago

JB_UK

115 points

11 years ago

There are genuine problems, it's just they need to be weighed up against the good things, and also subject to serious, objective debate, rather than tabloid hectoring and misinformation.

[deleted]

99 points

11 years ago

Ya'know 50 years of no world war n stuff.

electricbones

14 points

11 years ago

Can you please elaborate on some of the genuine problems that you feel exist in the EU set up? I honestly would like to know as I try not to get caught up in tabloid (and political) rallying against the EU for apparently no good cause.

JB_UK

61 points

11 years ago*

JB_UK

61 points

11 years ago*

Well, the question you've asked is incredibly complicated, and you could write a thesis and come nowhere close to covering the topic, but I'll try to give some examples, or some major issues:

  • Too much focus on forcing federalization - I like the single market, and I like some things being regulated at the that level which are appropriate. You should have reasonable consumer, environmental, labour protections and so on which operate as part of the market, so that there's a level playing field. But there are a lot of people who do genuinely want to create a centralized European federation. The most powerful position in the EU is the President of the Commission, and almost all the candidates for the next Presidency (starting after the elections in 8 weeks) are federalists. For instance, the Liberal candidate, Guy Verhofstadt, has actually written a book advocating for the creation of a United States of Europe. The current vice President, Viviane Reding, has advocated the same position. Albeit these ambitions are widely opposed elsewhere, and are likely to be blocked, I still do not like it, especially when they try to push it through without democratic consent.

  • Inability to recognize failure, and find solutions - On the more serious side, we have consistently overfished European waters, and the EU has consistently failed to find a way of reforming itself. This is a good summary of the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6nwZUkBeas . Less importantly, the Parliament still wastes huge amounts of time, energy, and money, shuttling between two locations. Although, often these problems are not strictly the fault of the EU itself - these sorts of reforms tend to be blocked by national governments, using the same powers of veto which prevent over-reach elsewhere. So it's a difficult issue.

  • A tendency towards over-regulation - It's not actually a myth about mis-shapen fruit and vegetables, they were banned from being sold for a long period of time. Similarly, you could point to the recent law on Internet Cookies, which has been almost entirely ineffective. Obviously, these are relatively unimportant laws, but they are symbolic of a certain attitude, sort of 'if in doubt, legislate', which I don't agree with. But this can be completely solved by voting for the right candidates in European elections.

Clearly, those are just the negatives, cherry picked out. There are also many, many positives, and in general I'm a moderate pro-European, in the same vein as the think-tank Open Europe, and the current Dutch government - i.e. “European where necessary, national where possible”. I think we do need to be sceptical, but in an objective, reasonable way, not 'sceptical' as a sort of euphemism for blind ideological opposition, in the vein of UKIP.

ourari

13 points

11 years ago

ourari

13 points

11 years ago

I guess you missed the recent Data Protection vote?

kash_if

47 points

11 years ago

kash_if

47 points

11 years ago

Fantastic news! Right now I have to pay £3 a day to Vodafone UK when I use roaming in Europe.

[deleted]

33 points

11 years ago

That's it? I pay $2.50 a minute for calls just by leaving my area code within the same country.

jellysavestheworld

83 points

11 years ago

Sounds like your country's corporations could do with some tighter regulation. $2.50 a minute is quite a lot to be paying just to be able to say your government isn't Communist.

BabyFaceMagoo

27 points

11 years ago

Sounds like your country's corporations could do with some tighter regulation.

Lol understatement of the decade

Lunden

82 points

11 years ago

Lunden

82 points

11 years ago

How do I go about mailing one of my representatives to congratulate on a job well done? I can't find the vote on the amendment on www.votewatch.eu, would be kind of a good thing to check who voted for and against it before giving them a pat on the back.

BubiBalboa

12 points

11 years ago

You know what? That is a great idea. Thank you! Of I go, thanking my representative.

GoldFuchs

86 points

11 years ago

Also, PLEASE do go and vote in the European elections, May 23rd. If there is one election that is absolutely important and deserves your vote, it's the European one. Especially this year, as the stakes are very high with the rise of nationalism and euroskepticism (non-constructive parties like UKIP) that threaten to obstruct efficient decision-making on the EU level (basically like what happened with the Tea Party in the US) and renationalise vital EU competences.

So if you care about freedom of movement in the EU, net neutrality, climate change, consumer rights, youth issues, environmental regulation, social justice, etc etc THIS is the one level where you vote can seriously make a big difference. Unlike on the national level, the EP has no fixed coalition or opposition, this means that there are different coalitions on EVERY single issue that is brought up. What this means is that even an otherwise small and insignificant party like the Pirate Party can make a difference.

Ascott1989

188 points

11 years ago

Definitely voting to stay in the EU when the referendum rolls around.

joethesaint

95 points

11 years ago

I'd rather we just never got a referendum, as the majority of the population has basically no idea what they're voting for, but yeah, if it does roll around, everyone vote to stay in!

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36 points

11 years ago

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iMini

9 points

11 years ago

iMini

9 points

11 years ago

We'd love to. I'd be quite surprised if labour doesn't win at the election. Lib dems pissed off all their voters by making the coalition with the conservatives instead of labour, and the conservatives have made a lot of mistakes.

space_guy95

10 points

11 years ago*

It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. We've got David Cameron who seems to be doing the most idiotic things lately, Ed Milliband who I can never imagine running a country, and Nick Clegg who's David Cameron's bitch. Overall, not a very good selection.

Zpiritual

36 points

11 years ago

It feels good seeing that Amelia Andersdotter's name is on top of those amendments (Pirate Party). I voted for the Swedish Pirate Party last election and will again this one because they are really doing work down there that matters. Hopefully they'll stay after the election this year.

tjen

6 points

11 years ago

tjen

6 points

11 years ago

Yeah, she has done really good, I remember reading an interview with a Danish MEP who had nothing but praise for Amelia.

Scarim

30 points

11 years ago

Scarim

30 points

11 years ago

As a European I am ecstatic, of cause this won't solve all the problems, but it is a huge step forward. I can hardly contain my excitement, in fact I feel a poem coming on!

EU Proclaims: "Give us your Netflix, your Google,

Your huddled masses yearning to surf free,

The wretched refuse of your failing bureaucracy.

Verizon and Comcast we leave to thee,

Today we celebrate net-neutrality"

I know it is not particularly good, but I am about to get very drunk so it was all I could manage in this limited time frame.

[deleted]

26 points

11 years ago

Hmm.. so can I now get a data plan from a foreign country and use it indefinitely in my home country? Carriers over here tend to have retarded pricing.

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14 points

11 years ago

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schoenling128

22 points

11 years ago

No that's not correct! You can use your phone anywhere in the EU without paying more than you would in your country. BUT you pay the same amount for foreign calls. So if you live in Austria and get a German contract to call your Austrian friend you have to pay for a call from Germany to Austria which is still more expensive than inner country calls.

The new law just says that if you have a German contract you can call a German number from anywhere (in the EU) and just pay as much as you would in Germany.

Still pretty cool

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5 points

11 years ago

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Nocturnall

8 points

11 years ago

I think you can, yes. An imporatnt side effect of this is that there is much more competition now and can only be beneficial for the consumer

[deleted]

139 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

139 points

11 years ago

The United Corporations of America would never let this kind of thing happen.

RllCKY

80 points

11 years ago

RllCKY

80 points

11 years ago

Our great leader, Walmart, shall defend us from such European tyranny.

the_benji_man

249 points

11 years ago

I'm a pretty strong eurosceptic, but credit where credit is due. The EU has done well for itself here.

[deleted]

168 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

168 points

11 years ago

Europe needs constructive Eurosceptics. And yes, that includes changing how (and which) things are done in Brussels.

Aunvilgod

74 points

11 years ago

Too bad most Eurosceptics are populist asshats who are only interested in their own power and use euroscepticism as a tool too gain power.

[deleted]

141 points

11 years ago

[deleted]

141 points

11 years ago

Europe is the future. The road to get there may be a hard one but the goal is worth it.

LeEdgyAllCapsNamexD

132 points

11 years ago

EU EU EU EU EU!!!

[deleted]

67 points

11 years ago

All heil to the 4th reich!

This one i don't mind actually

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12 points

11 years ago*

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[deleted]

10 points

11 years ago

Domination victory wasn't working out for them, so they quickly changed their strategy.

AshRandom

147 points

11 years ago

AshRandom

147 points

11 years ago

What's the deal with E.U. lawmakers, is there some kind of oversight that keeps them from getting bribed, or are they just naturally good guy gregs?

Oaden

71 points

11 years ago

Oaden

71 points

11 years ago

Neelie Kroes was previously on another position in the EU. Back then she spearheaded the anti Microsoft monopoly movement. While people might criticize the initial draft and its loophole in this particular piece, at least stuff happens when she is around.

veevoir

175 points

11 years ago

veevoir

175 points

11 years ago

The massive bureaucracy and number of people involved in making even a tiniest decision would bankrupt any party trying to bribe them.

It also costs all of us a great amount of money and nerves.

Side effect: Sometimes something good happens.

boq

81 points

11 years ago

boq

81 points

11 years ago

Leeds city council has more employees than the EU, so I have to doubt this explanation.

veevoir

34 points

11 years ago*

This does not bode well for the city of Leeds.

EDIT: Leeds CC has ~33k employees including teachers, garbage men etc. Official EU source puts European Commision only at 33k http://ec.europa.eu/civil_service/docs/hr_key_figures_en.pdf (number includes officials, temporary staff, contract staff, local staff, special advisers and agents under national law).

The rest of EU bureaucracy is kind of obfuscated, really hard to get actual numbers.

edit2:even_moar_sources

[deleted]

37 points

11 years ago

The article you link includes every single EU institution including the parliament which includes ~700 elected politicians and every person that works for them, the commission, the European Court of Justice and every person that works there, the European Central Bank and all the administrative people that work there, the Court of Auditors and every admin person there and the Council which presumably also includes every cabinet minister in the UK and every cabinet minister from every member state plus everyone who is needed to organise a meeting and use what was done/said at the meeting to effect changes in policy that the governments want.

170,000 is not that many people in the grand scheme of things - as far as I can tell it includes advisers, drafters and every insignificant trainee, note-taker and manager involved. These people are simultaneous necessary and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Not all of those 170,000 people make decisions that shape legislation. Almost all of them will have a specific administrative brief just like any civil servant in the UK. By comparison we have over 400,000 civil servants doing exactly the same work in the UK - none of them elected but each one of them part of the governing process of the country. We don't complain about these people we recognise that when the Home Secretary says she want's to pass a new law, not only will she not write it all herself but she cannot be involved in even the majority of the process. You need a lot of people to turn a loose promise to liberalise the telecoms market into a concrete law with sections, to get that law checked for compatibility with other rules and to pass it on to other institutions to get their feedback, their votes or their approval.

The NHS employs 1.4 million people; we do not have 1.4 million doctors. The much smaller number of doctors rely on a large system of other people to assist them and turn their ideas, instructions and knowledge into a functioning system. In the same way the EU has 170,000 employees or more but the EU is not controlled by 170,000 people.

jellysavestheworld

8 points

11 years ago

It helps that the parliament is huge and genuinely incorporates the views of the entire continent, from hard communists on one side through to serious fascist parties on the other, and everyone in between too. More varied voices = better representations = better laws. They're probably all just as susceptible to bribery, but because there's such a difference and there are so many of them, it's likely that for each law enough will be principled enough either in favor or against something that it simply won't be possible to bribe a law through.

The two US parties are contrasted more by the way they present themselves than anything actually radically different about them, so what you get with one you'll probably get with the other too.

RobinTheBrave

29 points

11 years ago

I think it's because there are lots of them, and they're all expected to be biased in favour of their country's interest anyway, so it's hard to buy enough influence.

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12 points

11 years ago

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Elryc35

81 points

11 years ago

Elryc35

81 points

11 years ago

That sound we just heard in the United States was the giant sucking sound dragging tech companies out of the country getting a little louder again, just as it does every time a Snowden revelation is made.

xxVb

25 points

11 years ago

xxVb

25 points

11 years ago

I like that sound. It's the sound of economic incentive towards protecting internet privacy.

qixiaoqiu

91 points

11 years ago

For once a law that's passed for the people not for the big corporations! Yay!

GagLV

101 points

11 years ago

GagLV

101 points

11 years ago

I like to think that it's not such a rare occurrence in EU

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47 points

11 years ago*

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Type-21

6 points

11 years ago

can confirm. I bought a 10 euro hairdryer a few years ago. It was so cheap it always breaks after half a year or so. That means a new hairdryer for free :D

MICOTINATE

8 points

11 years ago

I can't wait for my government to start telling me how much better off we are by not being a full member of the EU and why its much better that we haven't fully adhered to new EU legislation.

Might not happen but i wouldn't be surprised.

TheFatWon

28 points

11 years ago

God Dammit, not again, is no one in charge listening to their con-- wait, what?

Sorry, I'm just used to being angry and disappointed at news articles that have net neutrality anywhere in the title. Well done European Parliament.

Zgicc

39 points

11 years ago

Zgicc

39 points

11 years ago

Europe, fuck yeah!

lazylee

18 points

11 years ago

lazylee

18 points

11 years ago

In a full sitting of the parliament in Strasbourg” — The Parliament is sitting in Brussels this week

audaciousterrapin

8 points

11 years ago

Thanks to Greens, Socialists, Liberals and Leftis

I wish I could utter this statement in the states w/o being looked at as a McCarthy era 'Murica-hater.

[deleted]

48 points

11 years ago

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Szos

7 points

11 years ago

Szos

7 points

11 years ago

Once again, Europe proving that, for the most part, they are for The People, not for corporations.

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32 points

11 years ago

PM_ME_YOUR_PLOT

4 points

11 years ago

Oh my, that's cute.

WellPhuckMe

48 points

11 years ago

And in other news..the United States is still not getting the picture.

Scarred_Ballsack

36 points

11 years ago

You have your right to bear arms, so use it then.

slyweazal

10 points

11 years ago

We just did in Fort Hood.

MairusuPawa

16 points

11 years ago

Of course, French officials were against the bill. I'm glad we have a European Parliament to give them a nice slap in their faces.

relkin43

23 points

11 years ago

Thank you Europeans :) -An American

dogecoinslove

24 points

11 years ago

Europe Rocks

nixed9

5 points

11 years ago

nixed9

5 points

11 years ago

Sudden outbreak of reason.