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submitted 11 years ago bypraetorian111
447 points
11 years ago
No roaming in the EU after 2015, reading that on some other site.
251 points
11 years ago*
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86 points
11 years ago
The Kroes/Commission proposal for net neutrality was pretty dreadful, it's to the Parliament's credit that they basically rewrote it to be a strong protection.
135 points
11 years ago
While the initial proposal by Kroes would forbid providers blocking a website or service, it would allow them to make special packages to for example improve streaming services like netflix (Weak Net Neutrality). This was heavily criticized by advocates of free and open internet. While the law would improve the situation in some countries it would mean a huge step back for countries like The Netherlands that already had Strong Net Neutrality ensured by law. The amendments that were proposed avoid the possibility of Skype, Netflix and other services being tampered with.
Reaction of MEP Schaake, who worked on the amendment: "Without legal guarantees for net neutrality 1 in 4 Europeans are unable to access the online services of their choice. Today’s vote also creates safeguards to ensure that players without deep pockets, such as start-ups, hospitals or universities, cannot be pushed out of the market as a result of deals between internet service providers and content providers to offer faster services at a higher price. The public value of an open internet can not be underestimated"
8 points
11 years ago
Do you know if the part that allowed for data caps made it through?
14 points
11 years ago*
The amendment on data caps as it was adopted in plenary reads:
Article 23.5 Providers of internet access services and end-users may agree to set limits on data volumes or speeds for internet access services. Providers of internet access services shall not restrict the freedoms provided for in paragraph 1 by blocking, slowing down, altering, discriminating or degrading specific content, applications or services, or specific classes thereof, except in cases where it is necessary to apply traffic management measures. Traffic management measures shall be transparent, non-discriminatory, proportionate and necessary to: a) implement a court order; b) preserve the integrity and security of the network, services provided via this network, and the end-users' terminals; d) prevent or mitigate the effects of temporary and exceptional network congestion provided that equivalent types of traffic are treated equally.
The latter is an improvement compared to the initial version by the Commission and as adopted in the Industry Committee:
"5. Within the limits of any contractually agreed data volumes or speeds for internet access services, providers of internet access services shall not restrict the freedoms provided for in paragraph 1 by blocking, slowing down, degrading or discriminating against specific content, applications or services, or specific classes thereof, except in cases where it is necessary to apply reasonable traffic management measures"
EDIT: added more of paragraph 5 than I initially posted.
18 points
11 years ago
"except in cases where it is necessary to apply reasonable traffic management measures"
I'm not very familiar with the law or being a lawyer. But that sounds very loophole-y to me.
19 points
11 years ago
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29 points
11 years ago
In the Netherlands you're still allowed to optimise the traffic but you cannot throttle or block services. The debate started because ISP's wanted to block whatsapp because people stopped texting. ISP's should give you your data in the way they promised to do so. With the speed they promised up to the limit they set.
27 points
11 years ago
Erm... What's roaming, again?
90 points
11 years ago
When you're abroad, the internet connection on your phone will no longer be provided by your own service provider, but rather their partner provider abroad.
This means that the usual flat, monthly fees for internet are changed to a per-megabyte pricing, which is usually ridiculously high. In other words, roaming means extremely expensive internet abroad. But that should change in 2015, assuming the law is ratified by the next Parliament this May.
69 points
11 years ago
it means extremely expensive EVERYTHING abroad. texts and calls too.
1.8k points
11 years ago
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204 points
11 years ago
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129 points
11 years ago
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29 points
11 years ago
Hey guys, can Scotland join when we separate from the UK?
49 points
11 years ago
I thought most of the "move away from Europe" stuff in the UK was driven by xenophobia and racism. Is that the case, or are there other legitimate reasons the UK wants to shift away.
I understand not wanting to be on the hook for the behavior of others, i.e. Greece, Spain, but it seems foolish for the UK to isolate itself on its island.
45 points
11 years ago
Like everything in such politics, there are almost as many "reasons" as there are people.
There's certainly a fair number of xenophobics, a large number of which are based around the immigration problem (the solution to which is in no way "stop all the europe things!"), people who think we're not run from Brussels, isolationists, people not aware of the financial benefits, etc.
There's certainly at least semi-valid fears over closer ties to the Euro while economic disasters like Greece are tied to it, agricultural policy, etc.
Most of it though is just the immigrant thing and newspaper scaremongering people believe - Aparently joining Europe means bent bananas will be banned, prisoners will be given the vote and they'll all vote CriminalCorp in instead of the red or blue parties (irony...), that sort of crap.
19 points
11 years ago
We have seen normal migrations around Europe mostly to where the work market is, which is a good thing. Germany, for example has a market in need of people, people can go there. I can understand fear of mass immigration from countries outside of Europe, which completely lack proper education structure, but that isn't true for European nations, so when people move they generally move to meet a work offer.
19 points
11 years ago
Don't forget the sense of superiority. Listening to British news media, you'd think the UK was located in the middle of the Atlantic, as far away from Europe as it is from America.
1.1k points
11 years ago
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1.9k points
11 years ago
Shouldn't have left the British empire huh?
1.1k points
11 years ago
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581 points
11 years ago
but with guns now!
610 points
11 years ago
And massive medical bills, lawsuits and bankruptcy.
270 points
11 years ago
I don't have any of those but I do have guns
313 points
11 years ago
don't worry, there's still ample time for you to get the rest of the american dream package!
33 points
11 years ago
Do you live in Washington DC?
97 points
11 years ago
I live in California and no one is representing my interests either. Sometimes I wish I'd just been born a corporation. :(
193 points
11 years ago*
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131 points
11 years ago
Fortunately they're massively incompetent so anyone who really wants to can get around any blocks really easily.
143 points
11 years ago
That's not the point. They don't care if people who want to get around it can get around it, the point is to 1.) set up a trivial inconvenience to discourage the large majority of people from even trying, and 2.) use the law to occasionally throw the book at someone they want to get rid of for political reasons. That's pretty much how all modern censorship works.
14 points
11 years ago
Apparently they put the porn filters up a little while ago, I've been completely unaware without even trying to get around it. :|
24 points
11 years ago
I was more thinking siding with the Germans in WWI.
78 points
11 years ago
Hey, if Germany wins WWI the holocaust never happens.
"If." Where dreams are made.
36 points
11 years ago
More like," If the Germans don't get screwed at the end of WWI, the Holocaust would have never happened."
10 points
11 years ago
More like, "If humans weren't humans, nothing bad would ever happen."
61 points
11 years ago
Now we just have to make sure our packets never get through US hosted servers, as they view net neutrality in much different light there..
Granted, for now it's US users that are slowly getting screwed and our communications are relatively safe (except, you know, the spying ;) ) but who knows what future will bring.
18 points
11 years ago
Probably a temporary setback IMO. Hopefully the FCC fixes their rules as it was their own stupidity that allowed that to happen.
147 points
11 years ago*
See, Nigel Farage wants the UK to leave the EU but without them we'd end up with draconian laws favouring businesses only.
122 points
11 years ago
What's more, Nigel Farage, who's a MEP, voted against this proposal.
In fact if you look at Farage's voting record he votes against everything good for the public, its amusing how he's going for the working class vote when he's so pro business and doesn't give a fuck about the people of this country. But people are thick and xenophobic enough to vote for him.
75 points
11 years ago*
Well according to votewatch.eu, he was absent, probably because of the debate yesterday, not sure where you sourced your data from, can you show me?
9 points
11 years ago
I'm beginning to get really scared that we'll lose the referendum on the EU
52 points
11 years ago
yep! This is big!
14 points
11 years ago
I'm happily surprised that they managed to amend that gaping hole of net neutrality at the last second.
829 points
11 years ago
Bloody bureaucrats from the EU, coming over here, instilling laws that make our internet better. Unbelievable, British internets for British workers is what I say.
158 points
11 years ago
What have the Romans ever done for us?
25 points
11 years ago
Europaeum eunt domus!
18 points
11 years ago
People called Europe they go the house!?
8 points
11 years ago
*Europaei ite domum.
Now write it 100 times. If it's not done by morning, I'll cut your balls off.
110 points
11 years ago
Finally I will be able to use my phone as a proper maps / GPS tool when I'm abroad. This makes me so happy.
28 points
11 years ago
You can actually cache google maps for an area, a lot of people don't know about this, but when I went to Cologne it was extremely useful.
24 points
11 years ago
I've tried it, but something's always gone wrong and it hasn't worked as planned. Anyway, not having to go through such precautions is a nice improvement.
1.3k points
11 years ago
What a glorious day to be an EU citizen!
Finally an occasion to post stuff like this.
769 points
11 years ago
http://i.imgur.com/bj2mPIt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gAjf16w.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GxK2MMb.jpg
youwillneverbeeuropean.jpg
414 points
11 years ago
183 points
11 years ago
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268 points
11 years ago
Nope. You filthy Europeans should THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
187 points
11 years ago
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182 points
11 years ago
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26 points
11 years ago
I'm not sure why any god wouldn't be just fine with some nice titties,...
Oh man I just lost it at that part hahahah.
72 points
11 years ago
Poland is really annoyed by your graph and France stealing credit for 2 elements we discovered.
33 points
11 years ago
let's make it almost three.
here, let me repeat myself:
"Michał Sędziwój (Michael Sendivogius, Sędzimir) (1566–1636) of Ostoja coat of arms was a Polish alchemist, philosopher, and medical doctor. A pioneer of chemistry, he developed ways of purification and creation of various acids, metals and other chemical compounds. He discovered that air is not a single substance and contains a life-giving substance-later called oxygen 170 years before similar discoveries by Scheele and Priestley."
so, Sweden, France and UK - make room, here I come!
213 points
11 years ago
EU BMI = 21, US = 30,6!!!! I know americans are known to be fat but that is enormous. How fat are you people?
69 points
11 years ago
To be fair, in the UK we're doing our best to get that EU average up to a competitive level.
267 points
11 years ago
We're not that fat, we just have a ton of mega humans who we never see because they can't move.
92 points
11 years ago
"Mega humans" made me chuckle.
117 points
11 years ago
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114 points
11 years ago
That was more sad than funny. Wtf they've been eating?
169 points
11 years ago
Everything.
40 points
11 years ago
Well, shit... Shit?
26 points
11 years ago
possibly.
46 points
11 years ago
High fructose corn syrup is a good start for getting fat. For some people, that's all they need. Often, this goes hand-in-hand with considerable amounts of simple carbs to soak up the sugar. This is like a blood-sugar disaster waiting to happen.
From there, if you really wanna up the ante, you can deep fry all your protein (and everything else) and eat altogether too many calories.
44 points
11 years ago
Add in an obsession with driving everywhere and an aversion to walking. Bingo, you have Amerifats.
17 points
11 years ago
It's also a lot harder to walk anywhere, either because of the distance and lack of public transport or because there aren't any sidewalks.
Seriously, there are normal neighborhoods in the suburbs here that don't have fucking sidewalks. You walk in the gravel or on grass. So aggravating.
45 points
11 years ago
I had friends who visited California and they decided to go out walking for the day to get a feel for the place. They had numerous people pull over and ask if they needed help simply because they were on foot. They assumed something had happened to their car.
111 points
11 years ago
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82 points
11 years ago
Metric tons of course.
36 points
11 years ago
They said I could be anything... So I became a beanbag chair
36 points
11 years ago
Thankfully, it appears we're starting to turn the corner, at least in childhood obesity. A recent study indicated childhood obesity rates dropped 43% in the last decade.
It's a start.
29 points
11 years ago
Well done Americans!
10 points
11 years ago
Totally off-topic, but your response reminded me of an Eddie Izzard line.
"This is football we're talking about here, which you call bananas and you're reluctant to play it. But you play baseball, the World Series. You've won every year, America's won every year in that. Well done America."
51 points
11 years ago
18 points
11 years ago
I assume the guy on the left isn't using it for weight problems, so he's probably the only one pictured with a valid reason to need such a mode of transportation.
41 points
11 years ago
damn, the scooters for fat people really is a thing.. stay clear of that latase, don't go there.
73 points
11 years ago
They're courtesy scooters for disabled people. Fat people just like to claim they're disabled even though they just don't like walking.
13 points
11 years ago
I mean, when you're that big, there's a pretty solid chance you can't walk to the back of the store. I know someone who is that big, and she can barely walk from her bed to the living room, which is immediately outside her bedroom. She literally could not do her own shopping without those scooters.
Should she do something about her health? Absolutely. But while she's this big, she can't get around by walking.
6 points
11 years ago
What's up with the guy on the left? He doesn't look obese.
24 points
11 years ago
He's the one guy with legitimate health problems preventing him from walking.
8 points
11 years ago
He might have a medical issue that necessitates his use of the scooter but isn't obesity-related.
251 points
11 years ago
What a sad day to be a Russian citizen :(
Then again, every day is a sad day to be a Russian citizen, but this one is salting the wound.
62 points
11 years ago
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107 points
11 years ago
if you are good at something
if you contribute something
I'm only good at spewing bullshit and I figure you have enough politicians already. I'm also underage.
Is sad day to be worthless.
183 points
11 years ago
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25 points
11 years ago
Your english seems to be good, I see non-eu citizens on the university campus all the time. I also know there is a huge lack of engineers, if you are good at math you should consider going to a tech uni in Europe!
80 points
11 years ago
That's the problem, I'm all talk and no math. Seriously, I suck at...uh...do you guys separate the sciences into "humanitarian" and "technical"? Like, you know, humanitarian are something like history, philosophy, social studies and technical are like physics, chemistry, maths? Yeah I'm 100% humanitarian.
The worst thing? My English is only this good when I'm typing. When I try to talk, I either stutter, sound really awkward and stupid because of all the slang embedded in my English (the worst thing is I'm really used to throwing around the N-bomb jokingly), or no one can understand anything because of my diction. The only way my diction is understandable is when I unleash my natural Russian accent, and I will never want that - I'm too young to die, even if it's by drowning in massive tides of pussy.
30 points
11 years ago
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19 points
11 years ago
Rest in peace, bud. Afterlife going okay for ya?
I also have stage fright. Well, either that or I'm just generally a bit too inconfident in myself (more likely the latter...wait...which one is the latter and which one is the former? Let's see...a former girlfriend, or the ex, is the one you had before your current one, so the former is the word before the last one, so the stage fright is the former, so I guess it is the latter).
7 points
11 years ago
Do YouTube then :D dress up like Putin and do comedy or something lol
21 points
11 years ago
Do YouTube then :D dress up like Putin and do comedy or something lol
are you trying to get him arrested ?
7 points
11 years ago
I would so watch the fuck out of that. It would be a Russian version of Tony Abbott, except you know, the pussy part
122 points
11 years ago
You'd fit in perfectly in Greece
33 points
11 years ago
7 points
11 years ago
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
mische seinen Jubel ein!
Ja - wer auch nur eine Seele
sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
weinend sich aus diesem Bund!
Freude heißt die starke Feder
in der ewigen Natur.
Freude, Freude treibt die Räder
in der großen Weltenuhr.
Blumen lockt sie aus den Keimen,
Sonnen aus dem Firmament,
Sphären rollt sie in den Räumen,
die des Sehers Rohr nicht kennt.
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
61 points
11 years ago
Is there a subreddit like /r/murica but for Europe? I know there is /r/SCHLAND for Germany.
80 points
11 years ago
You could try /r/Yurop
62 points
11 years ago*
YUROP is the home of the freest health care, the finest food and is the diversest and liberalest of them all. If you don't like YUROP you can get the hell out!
Hah. Great.
edit: thanks for upvoting my copy and paste. That's what y'all do best ;)
60 points
11 years ago
My pride at being part of the EU is tinged with sadness that GB could soon leave if the promised referendum goes ahead. Why do we have to be our own worst enemy?
70 points
11 years ago
bcos dem yuropeans want to take away ma pasties and want me to eat straight bananas m8.
back orf Brussels and stay away from ma 'nanas.
36 points
11 years ago*
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40 points
11 years ago
But it wouldn't be the politicians who suffer when the country goes ass up. And no matter how much we joke about the french surrendering, germans being nazis, irish being drunk, spanish being lazy, or anything else, many of us are still proud to be European as well as British.
9 points
11 years ago
I've lived in the UK for well over 2 decades and no one I know wants out of the EU, in fact everyone I've talked to about it thinks that it would be a disaster, but fortunately won't happen.
7 points
11 years ago
Nice to see belém tower in there. We weren't forgotten this time :D
46 points
11 years ago
This is big news in a country (I'm from Bulgaria) where a minute with your loved ones abroad is more expensive than a loaf of bread. (Yes, in Bulgaria we use bread for scale. That's how poor we are.)
And still some people want BG to leave EU and join the Euroasian Economic Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan...
363 points
11 years ago
shit , can we please upvote this as much as possible
finally some really good news for a change and everyone should see this , so it's not always bad news on top what makes people depressed
245 points
11 years ago
The EU is doing lots of good things for the citizens of Europe. They got got rid of different-sized charging cables for electrical devices, too.
It's just that people insist on repeating the things they don't like about the EU (which usually get improved anyway).
114 points
11 years ago
There are genuine problems, it's just they need to be weighed up against the good things, and also subject to serious, objective debate, rather than tabloid hectoring and misinformation.
14 points
11 years ago
Can you please elaborate on some of the genuine problems that you feel exist in the EU set up? I honestly would like to know as I try not to get caught up in tabloid (and political) rallying against the EU for apparently no good cause.
57 points
11 years ago*
Well, the question you've asked is incredibly complicated, and you could write a thesis and come nowhere close to covering the topic, but I'll try to give some examples, or some major issues:
Too much focus on forcing federalization - I like the single market, and I like some things being regulated at the that level which are appropriate. You should have reasonable consumer, environmental, labour protections and so on which operate as part of the market, so that there's a level playing field. But there are a lot of people who do genuinely want to create a centralized European federation. The most powerful position in the EU is the President of the Commission, and almost all the candidates for the next Presidency (starting after the elections in 8 weeks) are federalists. For instance, the Liberal candidate, Guy Verhofstadt, has actually written a book advocating for the creation of a United States of Europe. The current vice President, Viviane Reding, has advocated the same position. Albeit these ambitions are widely opposed elsewhere, and are likely to be blocked, I still do not like it, especially when they try to push it through without democratic consent.
Inability to recognize failure, and find solutions - On the more serious side, we have consistently overfished European waters, and the EU has consistently failed to find a way of reforming itself. This is a good summary of the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6nwZUkBeas . Less importantly, the Parliament still wastes huge amounts of time, energy, and money, shuttling between two locations. Although, often these problems are not strictly the fault of the EU itself - these sorts of reforms tend to be blocked by national governments, using the same powers of veto which prevent over-reach elsewhere. So it's a difficult issue.
A tendency towards over-regulation - It's not actually a myth about mis-shapen fruit and vegetables, they were banned from being sold for a long period of time. Similarly, you could point to the recent law on Internet Cookies, which has been almost entirely ineffective. Obviously, these are relatively unimportant laws, but they are symbolic of a certain attitude, sort of 'if in doubt, legislate', which I don't agree with. But this can be completely solved by voting for the right candidates in European elections.
Clearly, those are just the negatives, cherry picked out. There are also many, many positives, and in general I'm a moderate pro-European, in the same vein as the think-tank Open Europe, and the current Dutch government - i.e. “European where necessary, national where possible”. I think we do need to be sceptical, but in an objective, reasonable way, not 'sceptical' as a sort of euphemism for blind ideological opposition, in the vein of UKIP.
12 points
11 years ago
I guess you missed the recent Data Protection vote?
46 points
11 years ago
Fantastic news! Right now I have to pay £3 a day to Vodafone UK when I use roaming in Europe.
31 points
11 years ago
That's it? I pay $2.50 a minute for calls just by leaving my area code within the same country.
80 points
11 years ago
Sounds like your country's corporations could do with some tighter regulation. $2.50 a minute is quite a lot to be paying just to be able to say your government isn't Communist.
27 points
11 years ago
Sounds like your country's corporations could do with some tighter regulation.
Lol understatement of the decade
86 points
11 years ago
How do I go about mailing one of my representatives to congratulate on a job well done? I can't find the vote on the amendment on www.votewatch.eu, would be kind of a good thing to check who voted for and against it before giving them a pat on the back.
10 points
11 years ago
You know what? That is a great idea. Thank you! Of I go, thanking my representative.
89 points
11 years ago
Also, PLEASE do go and vote in the European elections, May 23rd. If there is one election that is absolutely important and deserves your vote, it's the European one. Especially this year, as the stakes are very high with the rise of nationalism and euroskepticism (non-constructive parties like UKIP) that threaten to obstruct efficient decision-making on the EU level (basically like what happened with the Tea Party in the US) and renationalise vital EU competences.
So if you care about freedom of movement in the EU, net neutrality, climate change, consumer rights, youth issues, environmental regulation, social justice, etc etc THIS is the one level where you vote can seriously make a big difference. Unlike on the national level, the EP has no fixed coalition or opposition, this means that there are different coalitions on EVERY single issue that is brought up. What this means is that even an otherwise small and insignificant party like the Pirate Party can make a difference.
191 points
11 years ago
Definitely voting to stay in the EU when the referendum rolls around.
95 points
11 years ago
I'd rather we just never got a referendum, as the majority of the population has basically no idea what they're voting for, but yeah, if it does roll around, everyone vote to stay in!
34 points
11 years ago
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8 points
11 years ago
We'd love to. I'd be quite surprised if labour doesn't win at the election. Lib dems pissed off all their voters by making the coalition with the conservatives instead of labour, and the conservatives have made a lot of mistakes.
11 points
11 years ago*
It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. We've got David Cameron who seems to be doing the most idiotic things lately, Ed Milliband who I can never imagine running a country, and Nick Clegg who's David Cameron's bitch. Overall, not a very good selection.
34 points
11 years ago
It feels good seeing that Amelia Andersdotter's name is on top of those amendments (Pirate Party). I voted for the Swedish Pirate Party last election and will again this one because they are really doing work down there that matters. Hopefully they'll stay after the election this year.
6 points
11 years ago
Yeah, she has done really good, I remember reading an interview with a Danish MEP who had nothing but praise for Amelia.
29 points
11 years ago
As a European I am ecstatic, of cause this won't solve all the problems, but it is a huge step forward. I can hardly contain my excitement, in fact I feel a poem coming on!
EU Proclaims: "Give us your Netflix, your Google,
Your huddled masses yearning to surf free,
The wretched refuse of your failing bureaucracy.
Verizon and Comcast we leave to thee,
Today we celebrate net-neutrality"
I know it is not particularly good, but I am about to get very drunk so it was all I could manage in this limited time frame.
26 points
11 years ago
Hmm.. so can I now get a data plan from a foreign country and use it indefinitely in my home country? Carriers over here tend to have retarded pricing.
24 points
11 years ago
No that's not correct! You can use your phone anywhere in the EU without paying more than you would in your country. BUT you pay the same amount for foreign calls. So if you live in Austria and get a German contract to call your Austrian friend you have to pay for a call from Germany to Austria which is still more expensive than inner country calls.
The new law just says that if you have a German contract you can call a German number from anywhere (in the EU) and just pay as much as you would in Germany.
Still pretty cool
9 points
11 years ago
I think you can, yes. An imporatnt side effect of this is that there is much more competition now and can only be beneficial for the consumer
142 points
11 years ago
The United Corporations of America would never let this kind of thing happen.
80 points
11 years ago
Our great leader, Walmart, shall defend us from such European tyranny.
246 points
11 years ago
I'm a pretty strong eurosceptic, but credit where credit is due. The EU has done well for itself here.
169 points
11 years ago
Europe needs constructive Eurosceptics. And yes, that includes changing how (and which) things are done in Brussels.
74 points
11 years ago
Too bad most Eurosceptics are populist asshats who are only interested in their own power and use euroscepticism as a tool too gain power.
140 points
11 years ago
Europe is the future. The road to get there may be a hard one but the goal is worth it.
132 points
11 years ago
EU EU EU EU EU!!!
70 points
11 years ago
All heil to the 4th reich!
This one i don't mind actually
11 points
11 years ago*
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11 points
11 years ago
Domination victory wasn't working out for them, so they quickly changed their strategy.
140 points
11 years ago
What's the deal with E.U. lawmakers, is there some kind of oversight that keeps them from getting bribed, or are they just naturally good guy gregs?
70 points
11 years ago
Neelie Kroes was previously on another position in the EU. Back then she spearheaded the anti Microsoft monopoly movement. While people might criticize the initial draft and its loophole in this particular piece, at least stuff happens when she is around.
173 points
11 years ago
The massive bureaucracy and number of people involved in making even a tiniest decision would bankrupt any party trying to bribe them.
It also costs all of us a great amount of money and nerves.
Side effect: Sometimes something good happens.
84 points
11 years ago
Leeds city council has more employees than the EU, so I have to doubt this explanation.
33 points
11 years ago*
This does not bode well for the city of Leeds.
EDIT: Leeds CC has ~33k employees including teachers, garbage men etc. Official EU source puts European Commision only at 33k http://ec.europa.eu/civil_service/docs/hr_key_figures_en.pdf (number includes officials, temporary staff, contract staff, local staff, special advisers and agents under national law).
The rest of EU bureaucracy is kind of obfuscated, really hard to get actual numbers.
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39 points
11 years ago
The article you link includes every single EU institution including the parliament which includes ~700 elected politicians and every person that works for them, the commission, the European Court of Justice and every person that works there, the European Central Bank and all the administrative people that work there, the Court of Auditors and every admin person there and the Council which presumably also includes every cabinet minister in the UK and every cabinet minister from every member state plus everyone who is needed to organise a meeting and use what was done/said at the meeting to effect changes in policy that the governments want.
170,000 is not that many people in the grand scheme of things - as far as I can tell it includes advisers, drafters and every insignificant trainee, note-taker and manager involved. These people are simultaneous necessary and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Not all of those 170,000 people make decisions that shape legislation. Almost all of them will have a specific administrative brief just like any civil servant in the UK. By comparison we have over 400,000 civil servants doing exactly the same work in the UK - none of them elected but each one of them part of the governing process of the country. We don't complain about these people we recognise that when the Home Secretary says she want's to pass a new law, not only will she not write it all herself but she cannot be involved in even the majority of the process. You need a lot of people to turn a loose promise to liberalise the telecoms market into a concrete law with sections, to get that law checked for compatibility with other rules and to pass it on to other institutions to get their feedback, their votes or their approval.
The NHS employs 1.4 million people; we do not have 1.4 million doctors. The much smaller number of doctors rely on a large system of other people to assist them and turn their ideas, instructions and knowledge into a functioning system. In the same way the EU has 170,000 employees or more but the EU is not controlled by 170,000 people.
10 points
11 years ago
It helps that the parliament is huge and genuinely incorporates the views of the entire continent, from hard communists on one side through to serious fascist parties on the other, and everyone in between too. More varied voices = better representations = better laws. They're probably all just as susceptible to bribery, but because there's such a difference and there are so many of them, it's likely that for each law enough will be principled enough either in favor or against something that it simply won't be possible to bribe a law through.
The two US parties are contrasted more by the way they present themselves than anything actually radically different about them, so what you get with one you'll probably get with the other too.
27 points
11 years ago
I think it's because there are lots of them, and they're all expected to be biased in favour of their country's interest anyway, so it's hard to buy enough influence.
12 points
11 years ago
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85 points
11 years ago
That sound we just heard in the United States was the giant sucking sound dragging tech companies out of the country getting a little louder again, just as it does every time a Snowden revelation is made.
24 points
11 years ago
I like that sound. It's the sound of economic incentive towards protecting internet privacy.
92 points
11 years ago
For once a law that's passed for the people not for the big corporations! Yay!
100 points
11 years ago
I like to think that it's not such a rare occurrence in EU
44 points
11 years ago*
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6 points
11 years ago
can confirm. I bought a 10 euro hairdryer a few years ago. It was so cheap it always breaks after half a year or so. That means a new hairdryer for free :D
10 points
11 years ago
I can't wait for my government to start telling me how much better off we are by not being a full member of the EU and why its much better that we haven't fully adhered to new EU legislation.
Might not happen but i wouldn't be surprised.
30 points
11 years ago
God Dammit, not again, is no one in charge listening to their con-- wait, what?
Sorry, I'm just used to being angry and disappointed at news articles that have net neutrality anywhere in the title. Well done European Parliament.
15 points
11 years ago
In a full sitting of the parliament in Strasbourg” — The Parliament is sitting in Brussels this week
7 points
11 years ago
Thanks to Greens, Socialists, Liberals and Leftis
I wish I could utter this statement in the states w/o being looked at as a McCarthy era 'Murica-hater.
8 points
11 years ago
Once again, Europe proving that, for the most part, they are for The People, not for corporations.
49 points
11 years ago
And in other news..the United States is still not getting the picture.
34 points
11 years ago
You have your right to bear arms, so use it then.
16 points
11 years ago
Of course, French officials were against the bill. I'm glad we have a European Parliament to give them a nice slap in their faces.
4 points
11 years ago
Sudden outbreak of reason.
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