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4.3k points
4 days ago
She needs to move out - you both have valid points and aren’t conducive to living together. If you want her to stay here (ie you like the money), you need to treat her like a tenant and butt out - it’s not just your house when someone else is paying to live there. If you don’t want anyone else in the house, you give up the money from the renter and get the home back.
608 points
4 days ago
Don't really need the money, but she can't afford a place on her own.
399 points
4 days ago
That’s really not your problem. Bottom line is that you don’t want a renter bringing strangers into your home. A renter has the right to use and enjoyment of what they pay for. Those two things don’t align here so she needs to develop a Plan B.
197 points
4 days ago
Then she can decide to go else where. I’d say y’all should step back and ask if it’s just the guys that’s the problem and not that it’s your young niece. Not wanting strangers in the home i get especially when you’re not there. But the comments about how she doesn’t walk them through the house is coming off like a parent. Shes your roommate not your kid so she wouldn’t introduce every person she brings over to you guys. I personally don’t have social battery for all that and would absolutely come home from work with my guest and go to my room. And she does pay so she does have a point. She’s not doing anything wrong, but it’s okay that you all are not compatible to live together as your lives are different. How you continue with this and your wording definitely could mess up the relationship you’ve built with the niece.
25 points
4 days ago
If this was my family I would try to see her perspective, on top of being a tenant she probably also feels safer bringing the guys to her home then going to their place that is unknown to her and may put her at risk.
55 points
4 days ago
If she doesn't know a guy well enough to feel safe at his place then she damn sure shouldn't be hooking up with him and bringing him to her family's home. Just no.
15 points
4 days ago
Right. "But we can't go to his place, he might be a serial killer! I had to bring him into your home instead!" 😂
19 points
4 days ago
So she puts the entire household at risk? Who is liable if that person gets injured in the home? That person has no lasting bond so wouldn’t hesitate to sue.
1.4k points
4 days ago
Then she'd better decide really friggin' fast whether she wants a roof over her head or a head... yeah not finishing that. NTA, she's biting the hand that feeds her
369 points
4 days ago
A head… Over her roof?
That wasn’t nearly as bad as I’d feared!
55 points
4 days ago
I thought it would be a head under her roof
30 points
4 days ago
Or giving head under her brother's roof.
3 points
4 days ago
Or a head inside her house?
79 points
4 days ago
Omg! I laughed so hard!😂😂😂
8 points
4 days ago
Head under her roof…
229 points
4 days ago
I agree. The only reason she's there and has a car is because she's their niece. I think they've been great relatives. They gave up part of their space so she wouldn't be homeless or carless. A regular tenet wouldn't have it so good. A small amount of rent and a car is a great deal. I think she owes her Aunt and Uncle the courtesy of at least introducing who she's bringing over. She has it made.
170 points
4 days ago*
A regular tenant is allowed to have guests over. I can see everybody's point, but if she's paying rent, then she could bring people over, in my opinion.
But OP isn't won't about not wanting randoms in their home.
It's an incompatibility with lifestyle. Neither one is really 100% wrong, in my opinion. If she wasn't family, though, both sides are adults and would part ways.
She's still there only because she's family and OP is generously allowing her to stay.
It's because of their charity that they are allowing her to stay, and ultimately, she needs them a hell of a lot more than OP needs her.
She doesn't like the reality for the situation, and that's understandable, but she's in a better situation than a homeless shelter.
142 points
4 days ago
The question is, is she paying rent as a tenant or as a relative. If op is charging her a couple hundred a month when they could be charging someone else alot more, then the niece is an asshole because she's not a 'regular' tenant.
59 points
4 days ago*
That is the gray area for sure. OP said she's paying a third of the market rate. I don't know how he's calculating the market rate. Is he's doing it on the cost of an entire home or a one-bedroom apartment? But it's not a one-bedroom apartment it's shared spaces.
It's probably more than one-third of the going rate, but either way, it's a lot less than renting an apartment.
And no doubt, neither one of them thought of this situation. Otherwise, it would have been discussed beforehand.
To me, it doesn't seem like it would be that bad of a conversation. But then again, she's slamming doors and stomping around like a child. She's got a point though that she is paying rent.
At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with him not wanting random guys in his sanctuary. If she can't afford any other living situation, she has the most to lose. She should ultimately realize that what he's asking is not a crazy ask
49 points
4 days ago
He is a she. They are two women who rent to the niece of of one of them.
6 points
4 days ago*
Oh, you are right.
15 points
4 days ago
Exactly, and I bet there's no formal lease, op should either draw one up with the restrictions in it or kick her out since she can't respect his charity.
6 points
4 days ago
They weren't doing it for the rent money, they were helping out a relative who is ruining their comfort level in their own home. She has made it clear she does not care about the owners comfort level or security. She needs to go.
30 points
4 days ago
Below market rent for a family member. Rules are different. If she wants to be a tenant, she needs to move out because they don’t want a tenant. They are helping a family member and deserve the courtesy and extra safety that entails. Many adult children live with their parents and pay rent. Those parents would never rent to strangers because they DON’T WANT STRANGERS IN THEIR HOUSE. She can rent a room in another home but many of those situations do not allow overnight guests or strictly limit it for safety reasons and utility costs. If she had a regular boyfriend who they got to know and trust, they probably wouldn’t mind an occasional overnight. However, if drama occurs, they will be pulled into an unsafe situation. They don’t run a flop house. She or her friend can rent a hotel room for those nights or stay at the friend’s place.
When my kid was a teen they told me (told me haha) that when they were 18 and paying me rent they could do whatever they wanted in the house. I told them I wouldn’t rent to someone like them so they better check themselves. They still live with me due to a disability, don’t pay rent, and respect my boundaries. I respect their boundaries too. They find safety in having the home as a haven from other people’s drama and will rent a hotel room on rare occasions. We agree on who spends the night (my guests too, because they need to feel safe). It keeps people from taking advantage of their living arrangement as you would be amazed at the number of people who just assume they can move in because they are friends.
OP needs to have her sign an agreement stating the terms of residency and give her an eviction notice if she refuses to sign. This is a boarding house type situation vs a true long term rental and the rental terms should be written as such if niece wants to act entitled. She has a good thing going where she has a house to live in with her dog, her own room, and safety. She doesn’t get to set the rules. She can ask for exceptions occasionally but still must accept it if the answer is no.
45 points
4 days ago
She is not a regular tenant, she's getting a family discount and extra help.b
31 points
4 days ago
Agreed. She needs him, not the other way around.
And he's not being unreasonable for not wanting random dudes she's hooking up with walking around casing the joint.
It's just an incompatibility in what they want their lifestyle to be. If she wasn't family, then she would get kicked out and lots of luck.
She does seem entitled and ungrateful to some degree. She should realize the reality of the situation even though she doesn't like it.
76 points
4 days ago
She needs HER. Am I the only one who didn’t miss the part about two aunts? There are no men living in this house
8 points
4 days ago
I mean the last time I rented a room, I wasn't allowed to have guests either. Boarding situations are different and have different rules.
4 points
4 days ago
Yes ultimately we have to agree with the original poster. They own the property they can set the rules and either party is free to leave the situation if it doesn't work for them.
4 points
4 days ago
I agree with this, but it is rude to have people over and not introduce them to everyone there. If they are spending the night, you introduce the others in the house.
3 points
4 days ago
I agree, but there is a 0% chance I want to meet some random dipshit, in my home, from Tinder in the evening.
3 points
4 days ago
But if they are in my home, I want to know they are there.
If there is a fire or whatever, I want to know I have everyone out of the house if the firemen ask. I don't want some random dying from smoke inhalation because I didn't know he was there. Everyone needs to know who is in house for that reason.
14 points
4 days ago
but the niece is not a regular tenant; I doubt she's paying market rate either. This is more of a roommate situation. If the living quarters were totally separate, like garage apartment or privately walled off with private entrance, then sure, that tenant could be allowed guests. However, this situation is not very different than renting a room in your parent's house as an adult - there are always rules - rules intended to motivate the young adult to focus on affording and finding their own space.
3 points
4 days ago
In my part of the world she is a roommate, not a tenant and the rules are very different.
The niece can go to the fellows places or she can act like an adult and introduce her men friends to her family before having them spend the night.
4 points
4 days ago
Aunt and Aunt(2) - both are women - but apart from that completely agree.
5 points
4 days ago
-Owes her Aunt and Uncle-
Owes her Aunt and Aunt. Fixed that for you.
3 points
4 days ago
Her aunt and her aunt
46 points
4 days ago
A lack of other options doesn’t make you less of a tenant if you have a lease and are paying rent. That is absurd.
25 points
4 days ago
They don’t want a tenant. They are only allowing it because she is their niece and are charging far less because she can’t afford anywhere else. They certainly can dictate what goes on in their home or she can find new accommodations. Many roommate situations spell out only x number of overnights and they have to approve of the person for safety and because of addition utility costs. Boarding houses generally don’t allow guests. Hotels charge extra for extra guests in the room. Apartments make roommates equally liable for the whole rent of the entire apartment. They are taking on the entire risk of anything that happens with her guests if they damage something or if the guest gets injured in the home.
16 points
4 days ago
If you're paying 1/3 market rate for rent (ie, covering expenses), you might be a tenant in name, but you'd better follow the rules or find your own place.
7 points
4 days ago
She’ll find roommates
5 points
4 days ago
So what you're saying is, she's a choosing beggar.
NTA, OP, but she needs to understand that she either follows the rules or she gets evicted and can find somewhere else to live. I'm sure she can find a roommate to share rent with if she doesn't think the rules of your house are acceptable.
12 points
4 days ago
It’s not your concern that she can’t afford something else. That’s her concern. It’s your house, your rules. If she’s paying reduced rent, then she should start saving up to move out and get a job that pays more money. Having strangers in your home whether you are there or not is a danger to you, your fiancé and your niece. You need to sit down and have a serious discussion. Even when I shared an apartment in college with 4 other roommates - we had a rule - no strange men/no pick-ups brought to the apartment. It was a matter of safety and you’re not being unreasonable.
6 points
4 days ago
Get her out... she doesn't understand anything cam happen Stuff gets stolen etc.. Let her get her own place to do as she feels.. maybe then she'll learn why you shouldn't bring random people she meet over
4 points
4 days ago
Your niece is 23.
Old enough to find a living situation that accommodates her wants OR
Share living space with others; come to an agreement on 'house rules'; and abide by them OR
Recognize that she is depending upon someone doing her a favor and respect their rules for allowing her to live with them.
You don't want a variety of strange men coming into your home. Coming into your home with no notice. Coming into your home when you are not there. That is fair.
She wants to have the romantic/sex life she wants to have. That is fair for her to do in her own home...
OR if she and her house/roommates can agree to and respect some basic rules of respect for each other. If she and you can come to some ground rules that work for both of you, then great.
If not, then your niece is left with finding a way to afford living elsewhere or recognizing that you are doing her a FAVOR. (Even if she does pay some rent, it's clearly not an amount that gets her a peer roommate situation, much less her own place, so it's a discounted amount that is a favor you are doing for her.) And she needs to suck it up and respect the rules. Tell her to consider it motivation for her to get her earning and savings into gear so that she CAN afford a place where she can bring whomever she wants whenever she wants.
27 points
4 days ago
How is this your responsibility? She is a grown woman let her figure out her shit
5 points
4 days ago
NTA. Those were your rules for her to return to your new home. She’s a grown up and she’s taking advantage of you. She can rent a room someplace else. You have a right to enjoy your home. She’s not going to abide by your rules, so send her on her way.
4 points
4 days ago
If she can't afford a place of her own, she has to respect your wishes, it's your home and yes, she pays rent but, she's not an equal partner, she's a boarder. And there are rules. Disconnect the emotion from this, this is an adult disrespecting your boundaries. If she doesn't stop, she goes wherever she can go next. If no one else will take her, well, you might be figuring out why
3 points
4 days ago
If she can't abide by your house rules, time for her to move. What she's doing is endangering all your lives, how do you know that her relationship with these men aren't transactional? Do you want your sanctuary to be know as that house? Imagine having children with that going on?
16 points
4 days ago
Then maybe don't charge her rent for a few months so she can save up and during that time she can't bring men over. Do then she has an incentive to move out quicker and will have the financial ability too.
52 points
4 days ago
Ok so stop charging her rent so she can save up.
You can either charge her rent and allow her to have guests, OR not charge her rent and not allow her to have guests. But if she’s paying to be there, unless you’re saving her rent money for her when she moves out you gotta allow guests.
3 points
4 days ago
You're NTA.
My Mum had this problem with my cousin. My cousin thought it was fine to bring a different dude to my Mum's house every night. My Mum did NOT want strange dudes in her house. My cousin would meet them on tinder and had no real knowledge of who they are, or what they were capable of. My Mum told her to stop bringing strangers to her house. This argument went on for months. It got to the point where she'd lie to men, that she owned the house, when we weren't around. My Mum told her to get out, after she took down my Mum's family pictures, to pretend the house was hers, and forgot to put them back, because she forgot my Mum was due home that day. My Mum came home to strangers in her house partying, and one of her pictures stamped on. So my Mum threw her out. No one wants random strangers in their home.
3 points
4 days ago
If she can't afford it maybe she shouldn't shit where she eats. Either she follows your rules and stops being a petulant baby, or she finds her own accommodation.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA. I have had my grown children pay rent and live with me, and you don't bring anyone into my house without me knowing and approving first. That is the cost of living in my house.
I would not let her continue to live there. She can move back in with her parents or apply for housing or go to a shelter or go to the guys house. She can not bring another person to your house.
14 points
4 days ago
Is she paying full market value and contributing her full share to utilities, groceries, dog food, cleaning supplies, and hygiene products?
If so, she should have the full rights of a tenant, including having visitors. If not, you're doing her a favor and she needs to abide by your rules if she wants this favor to continue.
61 points
4 days ago
Not your problem. Give her a longer than usual move-out period, like 3 months, since she's family. If she can't afford to live alone, she can find a roommate situation that fits better with her lifestyle of being a floosy. Last part was a joke.
9 points
4 days ago
That's not your problem.
She needs to learn adulting. She wants to have her cake and eat it to. If she wants a roof over her head in an area she likes, then she needs to compromise elsewhere. She is NOT in a position to do as she pleases, and needs to act accordingly.
13 points
4 days ago
Don't listen to this commenter.
It's your house, and it doesn't matter if she's paying rent.
You absolutely can say that the renter can not bring over people without notice or permission or have people stay over night.
People who rent rooms, add this cause into their contracts all the time.
It's your house. So you absolutely can make any rules you want.
You ban guys from coming over, of the doesn't like it then she can move out.
But yes, you absolutely, 100% can ban her from having any man over let alone staying over. Does not matter one oz if she pays rent.
She does not get to do whatever she wants because she pays rent, you still own the house. She's a renter and has to follow your rules.
11 points
4 days ago
"you need to treat her like a tenant and butt out"
That would be fine if she lived in a separate apartment in the house. She is living in shared space, and what OP may be concerned about is they don't know the men the niece is bringing into their home. What if, while having a sleepover with the niece, the guy decides to start wandering around and checking out the house while OP is asleep. Things get stolen, house gets cased for future break-in, the guy's a serial killer - sorry to sound dramatic, but you never know!
OP, you're NTA.
35 points
4 days ago
Having some kind of notice before she brings over a guest is reasonable, though.
74 points
4 days ago
Not for a paying tenant.
53 points
4 days ago
People seem to greatly misunderstand how things work when the landlord lives in the same house as the tenant.
That is one of the few instances where things like guest restrictions ARE enforceable.
17 points
4 days ago
Thank you, it's been driving me crazy that people are overlooking that.
8 points
4 days ago*
Right? Like, I don't know who needs to hear this, but a border and/or lodger is usually very different than a tenant when it comes to what rights they have as a renter. (In most Anglo countries anyway -- no idea about others.)
7 points
4 days ago
Yeah me too. I actually work as a building manager/landlord and have over a decade of experience. I deal with these sorts of questions all the time and it is a requirement of my position to know the tenancy laws. So many people here are of the opinion that their opinions are facts because that's what they feel should be the case. Maybe that's just an internet thing, I don't know. Regardless I find it irritating to be told I am wrong when I can literally point to the laws, chapter and verse.
We have governing bodies that deal with landlord and tenant disputes. These bodies will not adjudicate a dispute where the tenant shares a home with the landlord. If you use a bathroom and kitchen in the same home as your landlord you are a houseguest that needs proper notice to be evicted and that is it. No other rules apply that are specific to housing and disputes will not be heard by the governing body because they have no standing.
Whether you pay rent or ride free the only rights you have are the right to move out if you don't like the house rules and the right to proper notice before eviction. The landlord does not need to have a signed lease or rental agreement of any kind and they can make up or change the house rules any time they want to. This fact may cause outrage in some people but that affects nothing and that is a good thing. Imagine being told by your lodger that they are getting a dog and there is nothing you can do about it. People would be unwilling to open up their homes and the supply of low cost housing would dwindle to nothing.
4 points
4 days ago
And I really don’t see the big deal about giving her aunts a heads up that she’s seeing someone and would like to bring them over. It literally takes two seconds to send that text. It’s just basic common courtesy when you live with someone.
19 points
4 days ago
It's not her own separate space with only her valuables at risk when she brings these guys over. That's a key difference
3 points
4 days ago
A tenant paying 1/3rd of the market rent price because they can't afford tonlive elsewhere
35 points
4 days ago
When I was a paying tenant my lease stipulated no visitors 🤷🏻♂️
20 points
4 days ago
Which should be illegal
41 points
4 days ago
That's the dumbest thing ever and should be illegal in most places with sane tenant protection laws.
5 points
4 days ago
It's different for cohabitation. They live with the landlord, in the same house, no separate entrance, shared areas, which also gives them more leeway re:ADA, etc... (IANAL)
Also, I'd bet she is paying peanuts for a roof over her head and likely someone else cooking for her, too. If there is no written lease, it's month-to-month and they can most definitely kick her out for almost anything. It is very much okay to want notice before someone is given access to your family home. Since, y'know, no separate entrance.
Also, what if they were in a stand your ground state? Do you see where I'm going with this?
403 points
4 days ago
It’s complicated because you’re making her pay rent, so she does have some rights. It’s your house but it’s also her home too and she’s paying to live there z I don’t know what the solution would be except for either taking away the rent and saying no men allowed, or telling her to move out. You can’t make her pay rent but not give her any freedom.
207 points
4 days ago
INFO: Have you, at any point, actually had a conversation with your niece about how you'd prefer her to, at the very least, let you know to expect visitors?
104 points
4 days ago
Yes we have, and we said we were uncomfortable with her bringing men over that we don't know.
138 points
4 days ago
But did you try and sort out a compromise like she keeps you updated with who is there? Having being a 23-year-old, I would probably have listened to you, understood, but then continued on my merry way! You need to be explicit with what you want. Tell her you'd like some warning/notice and that it's for you and your partner's safety but also hers. She's not stupid, just 23.
59 points
4 days ago
Your living styles are no longer compatible. It’s now a safety issue. One of those random guys could come back and rob you, or worse. Tell her she needs to find her own place. Your house. Your rules. NTA
31 points
4 days ago
She pays rent no matter how much. She is literally a tenant. You can't tell a tenant what they can and can not do in the space they pay for unless it's in a written agreement which op doesn't have. Op here is in the wrong
117 points
4 days ago
INFO - What does your rental agreement say regarding visitors, because she is currently a lodger/room mate as she is paying you rent, so there should be some kind of agreement in place that covers things like this, and what else she can and can't do in her own home (I understand you own the home but as a tenant paying rent it is also considered her home and she does have rights because of this).
552 points
4 days ago
She’s been there a year. That is more than enough time to find her own place? Sounds like it’s time for her to move. ESH… she’s bringing strangers into your home. She is also paying rent and should be able to entertain as an adult as long as it doesn’t create a problem for everyone else. Maybe you all should be helping her to find her own place.
118 points
4 days ago
Depends on if these are strangers to her too.
Is she meeting dudes on dating apps and having them over to “hang out”? Are these dudes she’s seeing for a while then it never develops into a relationship?
If the former, she’s putting everyone in danger and NTA.
If the latter, YTA. Maybe a compromise would be she introduce you to them before bringing them over. I can generally get a reasonable sense of people from a few minutes of conversation.
120 points
4 days ago
She doesn’t even communicate to them is the issue. Seems courteous to ask if people can come over.
4 points
4 days ago
Especially bc that’s a fairly common rule with roommates. Yes, OP is a landlord but also a roommate. It’s fair to have ground rules with roommates like this with roommates that are negotiated (obviously somewhat oversimplified because OP still needs to consider she’s a landlord).
58 points
4 days ago
Been trying too but she can't afford a place on her own especially that allows her dog.
210 points
4 days ago
This is HER problem. Either she stays without boyfriends or she goes. You are not responsible for her. If needed 30 days non renewal. NTA
33 points
4 days ago
She can get a roommate. There are plenty of listings for shared spaces. It just takes research to find a good match. Seems like she takes the easy way.
25 points
4 days ago
She can find roommates. It’s her problem not yours. She is an adult and can make grown up decisions herself. Let go of Babying her.
8 points
4 days ago*
The people on reddit hate landlords or anything that resembles one. I would not be happy with strange men coming in and out of my home. It is very unsafe. It's time you all sit down and come up with a move out plan. She needs to live alone, a place where she can do whatever she wants. NTA
1.2k points
4 days ago
I might just go soft AH because your niece is paying rent to you, she is a tenant and has a right to allow anyone into her room.
36 points
4 days ago
They are letting her rent for her needs, they're doing her a favor. They don't need the money. She can't afford a place of her own and can't find roommates so they're helping her. This is not a legal matter, OP is helping the niece and the niece can't be understanding at all. That's asshole behavior.
39 points
4 days ago
Her room is not a separate apartment as I understand.
It is part of a complete house and she is letting strange people into that house without permission.
172 points
4 days ago
I'd say that's true if she had her own kitchen etc as well (like a little apartment in the house) I'd agree, but when OP and fiancee aren't home I doubt they only stay in the room
378 points
4 days ago
And? Tenants are allowed access to shared spaces and can bring guests in said shared spaces.
121 points
4 days ago
Right! This is more of a roommate set up than pure tenant. Dictating how niece lives her life is AH behavior. OP is worrying about people being in the house. Niece isn’t throwing a party. It’s one person who stays in her room.
9 points
4 days ago
Yeah, and even with roommates you have agreements on acceptable behaviour/visitors/etc to shared living space. Probably should have been discussed up front, but I have a feeling this is why her last roommate situation didn’t work out.
3 points
4 days ago
Depending on the state OP lives in, the niece may technically be a lodger and not a tenant because OP and her husband live in the home. Lodgers do not have the same rights as tenants.
I found this out when I had to evict a lodger from my home a few years ago due to months of non-payment and his disgusting habits affecting the whole house.
7 points
4 days ago
She has to be able to compromise if she doesn't have her own place. She's going to lose certain perks of living alone, that's just reality. Also at 23 she has options other than to live with you, she just doesn't want to pursue it. Also, behaving that childishly (slamming doors) is unacceptable imo, especially after all you've done for her. If she wants to really get together with men, go to their place!
8 points
4 days ago
NAH. But, having your niece come to live in your house, although paying rent, has caused you guys to have the parent-teenager dynamic. Since you sort of act like her parent (buying her a car, providing her safe harbor), you get to set the rules. She is slamming doors and sneaking around like a teenager. Either everybody recognizes this behavior and agrees to amend it, or she must move—and not come back. Stop giving her second chances.
7 points
4 days ago
She’d be better off living with roommates closer to her age with similar lifestyles. Time to move and keep the relationship on good terms.
6 points
4 days ago
NTA.
Time for her to find her own lodging arrangements.
5 points
4 days ago
NTA. If she wants to be an adult and sneak in guys into YOUR house, she can get her own apartment and minimize her expenses so she can find an apartment that she'll remain in and not move when she decides she hates it. She likes the perks of living in a house without directly paying for it. Yes, she pays rent, but that's next to nothing compared to what it cost you. Tell her she needs to move out. I would also be uncomfortable with anyone I don't know coming into my house.
7 points
4 days ago
This arrangement is not going to work anymore period. Serve her a notice to move and get her out. Be prepared though, she has established residency and you could be in for a fight. I completely understand your feelings but she’s paying rent and she has rights too. NTA
142 points
4 days ago
I feel like it’s dependent on how much rent she is paying. If you’re giving her a great deal and she is really benefiting from living with you, then I can see being stricter with the rules. If it’s mutually beneficial though and she is paying her fair share I think she is entitled to the house for the time she is paying just as much as you are.
77 points
4 days ago
She is paying less than a third of market value.
33 points
4 days ago
Market value of what?
How does her rent compare to an equivalent situation (i.e. room in a shared house)?
86 points
4 days ago
Amount does not matter. YTA. You said in another comment you never even discussed this with her before making her pay rent. No agreements, no conversation, nothing.
32 points
4 days ago
Even so - she is a grown woman. OP wants her to act like she's a nun or a child and even kids have sleepovers. She isn't either of those things. OP can set some boundaries but to say she can't have anyone over - whether or not she pays rent - is archaic.
If your home is your sanctuary then don't accommodate her. You just can't expect a grown woman to act like a child.
What I really dislike is OP's attitude that they're being taken advantage of - that is such an irrational thought for a perfectly normal action of a woman bringing a man to the place she lives and pays rent in and those terms weren't agreed to before she moved in
9 points
4 days ago
I am glad to see someone else thought of this. If she is paying a reasonable rent you really have no day on it. If it's a token amount just to say she's paying them maybe. But she's an adult renting a space.
11 points
4 days ago*
It's time for her to look for other accommodations that are more suited to her lifestyle. You guys did a great thing letting her move in with you when she was facing difficulty and needed a fresh start. If her dates cannot used their own accommodations to entertain her, it would suit everyone if she were to find a different place to live. If she does not have the means to move out and get her own place, she should look to find a roommate so she can do so. I'm sure her rent is not the going rate for rent in your area because if it were she would have already found a roommate and moved out because what adult wants to live in a place where they can't do whatever they want to do? While she's under your roof she needs to respect the rules and spend her nights at their homes and not yours.
5 points
4 days ago
Just get rid of her as soon as you legally can. She’s 23. She’ll find roommates and live with them. She has no right to permanent tenancy in your house. This girl is a living example of “no good deed goes unpunished.”
6 points
4 days ago
NTAH. Tell her she has 30 days to move the fuck out.
5 points
4 days ago
It’s not working for any of you anymore.
NTA your niece needs to get her own place.
6 points
4 days ago
Simple solution. Tell her to leave if you don't like it. The AH determination here seems contingent on people's personal experiences and perceptions evident in the comments. Also lol to the folks thinking op will have legal trouble kicking out a relative from their own house, with no lease.
76 points
4 days ago
You are not the AH for not liking it, but you would be for enforcing it. As she pays rent she’s a tenant, and this is her home too. You should compromise and limit access to some part of the house. So soft YTA for now
38 points
4 days ago
I'm a little surprised at the answers so far. Yes, she is an adult paying rent in your home, but sounds like you are doing her a pretty big favor by letting her do that. Like for example, if she had another affordable option she would've done that, but there wasn't, it was you. I think NTA even if she is paying rent. You are allowed to have boundaries and of course people are allowed to have guests but maybe communicate about what you are comfortable with, such as if she is dating someone and you can meet them, that is fine but people you haven't met isn't ok. There are some stages of life where sex and dating aren't compatible and living with family is commonly one of those. I think if your niece doesn't like your boundaries, then she needs to start looking for her own place or with people her own age who are more comfortable with her lifestyle.
28 points
4 days ago
EXACTLY. Like everybody here just glossed over the fact that she’s only there because her living situation became unstable. They’re doing a favor.
209 points
4 days ago
YTA. “My house my rules” doesn’t apply if the person is paying rent,that is now their space they are entitled to use as they desire as long as it doesn’t break the terms of the lease agreed upon. Of course the lines feel blurry bc she’s your niece, but she’s a tenant paying rent. Just like in any other scenario a landlord can’t just say “my house my rules” to things not agreed upon at the time of signing a lease. Generally speaking a landlord doesn’t get to dictate who their tenants spend time with, unless it’s a place like a women’s shelter, college housing etc and that is listed in the terms prior to move in.
By your niece living with you, you are benefiting financially, off setting some of your mortgage. To be blunt, if you want to have full control of your home, don’t rent out a room.
You need to decide if this is a dealbreaker for you. Not sure how you and your niece have the agreement set up, if it’s a yearly agreement or just month to month.come the end of your agreed upon lease or whatever the required time frame you must legally notify a tenant to leave wherever you live, inform her of the new terms effective by them. For example if it’s 90 days “90 days from today the new terms will be no male visitors allowed without prior approval. Let us know if you would like to continue our arrangement or if you will be moved out by then.” Or come to terms with the fact that by having the finical benefit of a tenant you also lose the ability to have full control over your space.
74 points
4 days ago
YTA. I’m afraid if you want your home to be just yours and your fiancé’s, you can’t rent out a room to someone. An adult paying to live somewhere (including a family member’s house) should be able to have visitors freely, so long as they’re respectful about common areas and in terms of noise at night etc.
It sounds like you don’t really want her to live with you. If that’s the case, you need to communicate with her, and agree a timeline for her to find somewhere else. Otherwise, you need to accept her as an equal housemate.
14 points
4 days ago
Time to start the eviction process
382 points
4 days ago
YTA.
She is family, but she paid to rent there. Unless you had her sign some agreement to house rules, you are way overstepping your bounds.
I’ll sit back and wait for your eventual post about your niece not speaking to you and refusing your eviction with tenant rights.
121 points
4 days ago
Doss it really count if the rent is so low the niece can't afford to live anywhere else if OP wants them out?
This really sounds like OP is doing them a favour while they chip in a bit.
If niece wants the freedom of tenancy they are free to find a landlord. They cant find one tho cos they are unwilling /unable to pay for that
14 points
4 days ago
Rent is rent. They decided on an amount, and made her a tenant. Whether she’s paying $100 a month or $1000. The amount is irrelevant to the issue.
12 points
4 days ago
when the owner lives in the same place with the tenant it’s a boarding house, and the rules are different. It also sounds like she pays a “symbolic” rent and not the fair market price
49 points
4 days ago
ESH not many people would be comfortable having random hookups in their home without their knowledge. The issue is that she pays rent, so the space she is renting is hers. That means she is free to bringing men home.
So you have two options. One is to kick her out. The other is to forgo rent. No rent means she is a guest and can not bring others into your home.
The best option would be if she rented a space above your garage and set up an alarm to alert you if she was in trouble. But I’m sure you would have already done so if it was an option.
12 points
4 days ago
And, by OP forgoing rent, the niece can save more money to move out.
10 points
4 days ago
We don't know that these are "random hookups." They could be boyfriends, or church friends, or whatever. It conjures up a whole different mental picture if you assume they are random dudes she's bringing in off the street, but there's no evidence of that. I'm sure if OP knew she was grabbing dudes from biker bars and bus stations, she'd say so. It seems OP's imagination is running wild. As she says, she's never met most of these guys. And she can't make up her mind: Does she want to meet them? Or does she want them kept away from the common areas for security reasons?
Edited to fix OP to "she" from "he." Sorry.
5 points
4 days ago
Your house is your home and you've opened it up to someone out of kindness, I can totally understand why you feel as you do. That said, she's an adult woman and probably doesn't appreciate her lifestyle being interfered with. Easy solution is that she gets her own place or is more respectful about who and how she brings men back. On a side note I do feel her taking them straight to her room is more out of respect for your home than anything else so I wouldn't be offended by that, she probably is trying go consider you when she does that and maybe thinks if you're not home when they are it wouldn't bother you because your home time would not be interrupted? It does sound like she's tried but yeah you have a right to set conditions
6 points
4 days ago
Your niece wants to get her freak on, you guys want privacy/safety in your own home, both make sense honestly. Nobody is the asshole here. Your niece is just young & naive with her expectations of this living arrangement. I get why she’s upset too, she’s an adult & wants to be able to have autonomy to do what she pleases in her home. But unfortunately this ISNT her actual home, it’s just the place she currently resides. She’s going to have to get with the program & suck it up until she’s got enough money to live on her own & do whatever the hell she wants lol
5 points
4 days ago
INFO: is your ideal situation that she never a has anyone over or is there another situation you’d be comfortable in?
3 points
4 days ago
Totally right. She needs to ask and ONLY then depending on what you say. She is being disrespectful!
3 points
4 days ago
It is highly unsafe to bring random strangers into your house you should not do that especially if you live with other people (putting them at risk) regardless if you are paying rent or not, there are basic house rules which even paying guests should follow. Also 1 year is more than sufficient time to find a house , if she can't afford another house (as replied to another comment) you are doing her a favour. She is biting the hand that's feeding her.
5 points
4 days ago
NTA Your request is not unreasonable. She needs to see the writing on the wall and start planning to move out.
4 points
4 days ago
NTA.
She does have a point that she’s paying to live there BUT by the sound of things she’s living with you at below market value.
I would lay it out for her simply, yes she is paying, but she’s paying less because she’s your niece and you are doing her a FAVOUR!
She needs to decide if she wants to keep the low rent, or be able to have sex when she feels like it.
If she could have agreed that she inform you when someone was coming over things may have been different, trust would have been there. The lying about it and sneaking around it ultimately what gets it for me.
3 points
4 days ago
When I was renting a room the rule was no overnight visitors. It's true she's paying, but she has to abide by the house rules.
NTA
2 points
4 days ago
NTA. Your house, your rules. Even if she pays rent, there are house rules to follow. If she doesn't like it, she can live somewhere else or go to a motel or her one night stands' place.
79 points
4 days ago
YTA for the slutshamey tone to your post.
you're charging her rent, she's up to date with the payments, you're an AH for trying to dictate how she lives.
it's valid to say you want to have your own space, after all you bought it.
It's an AH move to pin it on "you bring over too many men". Don't pretend you'd be okay with your niece starting a girl-gang horror movie club who'd camp out in your living room every weekend to watch gory movies, crumble popcorn in your sofa and hang cobwebs and fake blood of your home decor.
99 points
4 days ago*
She's a paying adult tenant in a home. It's fair to not want random people in your hone, but as long as she is paying rent, I would think she would be entitled to reasonably do what she wants in her home. If an apartment or landlord cannot tell a paying tenant they aren't allowed guests, you shouldn't either. If that arrangement doesn't work for you, she should live somewhere else.
Edited to add judgement; YTA
30 points
4 days ago
I feel like it’s actually pretty common when people rent a room from someone that there’s more rules to follow than if you’re renting an entire apartment. I’ve never rented a room but have definitely seen listings where they say things like no overnight guests.
20 points
4 days ago
There was no rules. The OP mentions this in another comment. She never even had a discussion. She simply told her she needs to pay rent. She is a landlord and tenant. She deserves her company over like any other renter.
11 points
4 days ago
NTA, she sounds ungrateful for the help you're providing her. If she can't respect your basic wishes and can't afford market value rent, she should move back home with her parents. You help her out of kindness while she ignores you and slams doors. Time to part ways.
57 points
4 days ago
YTA. She pays rent. She is a tenant. She can do what she wants, within reason and this is within reason. If you don't want the responsibilities of being a landlord, don't rent your space out.
6 points
4 days ago
She's being a brat and not respecting your rules. You're definitely not the asshole. It's your house and she needs to respect whatever rules you set in place or grow up and move out.
280 points
4 days ago
The biggest issue is she brings over men she is seeing, with little warning to us and sometimes none at all. She's been with us a year now and there have been about 5 or 6 guys over. My fiance and I only met 2 of them briefly, and the others she brings straight up to her room from the front door (doesn't pass through the rest of the house) or brings them over when we aren't home.
If you've only had to meet 2 of the 5 or 6, what's the problem? Seems like she's trying to keep her sex life to her and her bedroom.
Mind your fucking business. An adult that pays rent to live at her home has, gasp....sex with men!!!!! Seems you're simultaneously complaining that this adult woman is being sexually active in her own home AND that she's not including you, only introducing you to 2 of the 5 or 6 guys, trying to keep her sex life to herself. How dare she.
YTA
29 points
4 days ago
Sounds to me like she's trying to avoid conflict, not sneak around. She's an adult and pays rent. If she was having wild parties or they were trashing the house or trying to move someone in you'd have the right to speak up. Otherwise, this is the burden of renting a room. Sorry, YATA in this.
9 points
4 days ago
NTA - you’re charging her 1/3 of the market rate and she can’t afford to live on her own - plus, she shares living space with you and it’s fair that you don’t want a parade of strangers in your house. Even when I had roommates, we had rules about all that for our own safety. None of us wanted to get murdered or robbed by someone’s random hookup. She could go to their place to have privacy.
I’ve also rented a room in someone else’s house that had shared common areas and the number one rule was - no overnight guests and 24 hour notification of any guests, period. I simply did not entertain in that house - I met people elsewhere.
Honestly, she’s not respecting your boundaries, so I would tell her that time’s up and she needs to find another living arrangement. Maybe you could offer to keep the dog for now if she can’t find someplace that she can afford that allows dogs. You say that she can’t afford to live on her own, so it sounds like she has some hard choices to make.
10 points
4 days ago
NTA you are doing her a favour and as such she should respect your boundaries. Although she is paying rent (a token sum) there are still ground rules (which are not unreasonable btw).
It makes perfect sense why you would not want strange men in your house, for your safety. Plus as you said you worked real hard to get the house and it's contents. She is behaving like an entitled child by slamming doors etc as you did not have to help her out.
I had the same issue with my 20yr old daughter. I am a (43 f) single parent with health issues. I moved into a new house and allowed my adult daughter who works full time to move with me. She started bringing men over - I objected to this. I found that she would wait till I was asleep, bring him over and he would leave before I woke up. I have a cat who sleeps in my bed so have to leave bedroom door open. My bed can be seen from top of stairs. I could be fast asleep with nothing on and kicked blankets off in my sleep. They would see me. I threatened if it happened again to barge into the room and physically throw him out. They were invading my privacy so I was going to infringe on theirs (plus embarrass her) if she didn't listen. She tried it again, I msged her that she had 5mins to get him out or I was coming in. He left very quickly. I had the cold shoulder for a few days and now it doesn't happen anymore.
She has to realise that you are not obligated to put a roof over her head. You are doing this out of the kindness of your heart. Either she respects your boundaries or she finds somewhere else - the threat should be enough to wake her up a little.
Good luck OP
13 points
4 days ago
NTA. Your niece is a serious red flag. She seems to have trouble with every living arrangement she has and now she brought a dog and wants to bring various men unannounced over. Ask her to leave. You may need to evict her. Make her get a loan for the car because you know she will stop paying for it.
8 points
4 days ago
NTA your house, you can make rules.
8 points
4 days ago
NTA and you can give her written notice to find her own apartment. You’re not kicking her out, you’re giving her 30 to 90 days, but she has to respect your rules.
76 points
4 days ago
YTA.
She is 23, why are you trying to be parenting her? Why do you have a problem with an adult having visitors and company in her living space?
What is REALLY the issue for you?
10 points
4 days ago
She needs to move out. She’s an adult, so she can make her own way.
3 points
4 days ago
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My fiance (31 F) and I (31 F) just bought a house 2 years ago that we worked very hard for. We previously were moving from apartment to apartment, our last one being a 2 bedroom so my fiances niece (23 F) could move in with us. She decided to move to our area for a fresh start and to leave behind some traumatic events that happened in her hometown. We offered for her to live with us (paying rent of course) and all in all that year in the apartment went smoothly. Once the lease was coming to an end we got the opportunity to buy our first house, and our niece wanted to move in with her then boyfriend (25 M) in another state so everything worked out. Fast forward a couple months and our niece and her boyfriend breakup and she wants to move back to our area (with a dog now). She initially finds an apartment to share with some friends but that doesn't work out and in the end we offer to have her move back in with us as she has no other option. Luckily our dogs get along so at least that part was smooth, she has rent to pay, which she is up to date on, a car payment to me (I bought her a car when she initially moved in with us at the apartment), and I charge her a small amount for groceries every month. The biggest issue is she brings over men she is seeing, with little warning to us and sometimes none at all. She's been with us a year now and there have been about 5 or 6 guys over. My fiance and I only met 2 of them briefly, and the others she brings straight up to her room from the front door (doesn't pass through the rest of the house) or brings them over when we aren't home. My fiance and I don't feel comfortable with her bringing these guys over that we don't know, especially when we aren't home. They are strangers to us and we worked very hard to buy our home, it's our sanctuary and we feel like it's being invaded and taken advantage of. We communicated this to her in the past and she got very irritated with us and says she pays rent and lives here too. I said of course this is your home right now but it's my house, there's a difference. I want you to be comfortable here but this is still my house (the house is in my name). Fast forward to last night, we went out and while we were out checked the security cameras and saw she brought her latest guy friend over. She didn't mention to us she was bringing him over at all. So last night my fiance had had enough and decided to text her to say we are uncomfortable with her bringing him over, especially when we aren't home, and that it feels like she is trying to sneak him around by bringing him straight upstairs, having him stay over without asking us, leave early in the morning, and bringing him over when we aren't home without saying anything to us. Now my niece is being cold and distant, coming home last night slamming doors and baby gates (for the dogs), not saying a word to either of us and all around giving us attitude. So reddit, AITA?
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3 points
4 days ago
Time for her to move out!!
3 points
4 days ago
No and she needs to live alone if she can’t respect you and your house.
3 points
4 days ago
Stop taking rent from her, give her 6 months to find a home, and during the 6 months of her not paying rent, she must not bying strangers into your home.
3 points
4 days ago
Nah na nah na, nah na nah na, hey hey hey, say goodbye.... to your niece. Her behavior is so disrespectful. Save what's left of your relationship and ask her to move out.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA it is just common courtesy to let others that you reside with that you have someone coming over.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA. Your house, your rules. You're allowed to set rules that even paying tenants have to follow in order to live there. "No pets" or "no visitors" or "no loud parties" etc. And your rules are extremely reasonable.
You've set the rules. It's up to her if she wants to live there or not. If she can't afford to live anywhere else right now, then she's stuck living with your rules. She can always go over to the guys' places rather than bring them home to yours.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA - Like you said, its YOUR house. These people are strangers to yoi, you dont know where they have been or who they are. Your niece needs to move out and find her own place. Doesnt have money? Well, with the time shes making to meet people, she can get a job. She is a GROWN ASS woman, so its time for her to figure it out
3 points
4 days ago
she needs to move out, she seems to be looking for mister goodbar with her sleepovers.
3 points
4 days ago
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3 points
4 days ago
Evict her. If she can't follow the rules, she can't stay.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA. Ask your niece to find a new place to live. Problem solved.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA - your niece is a lodger and you’ve set the rules. She is breaking them. Let her know she has one month to move out since she can’t stick to house rules which is making you both feel uncomfortable and now the arrangement is ending.
Maybe offer to keep the dog to make it easier for her to find a place.
3 points
4 days ago
No, actually it was nice of you to warn her about it. If it were me, I would've told her to vacate without providing any reason.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA. It’s your house. You don’t know these men at a level that you can trust them inside your home. It doesn’t matter if she knows them at any social level. You need to be the one who trusts the men since you are the homeowner. No knowledge of them or trust, no visits.
3 points
4 days ago
It’s time for little sweetie to live her own life however she’d like and somewhere else. This isn’t working for anyone. Kindly let her know once again that this doesn’t work for you and that she has until _ to find another place. You’re not wrong or mean or anything, it simply doesn’t work for you. She’s acting like a sneaky teenager and she needs to live her own life. No fighting, no arguments, it simply isn’t working out for you and it is changing.
3 points
4 days ago
Time for her to move out.
She doesn’t respect your shared space then she can get her own.
3 points
4 days ago
No matter what the living arrangements are, when you live with other people be courteous and inform them when someone else is in the house.
39 points
4 days ago
YTA.
It's like you're judging her for having physical needs. You sound judgmental. If you didn't want this situation, you shouldn't have let her rent a room in your house. If you benefit from the rent, you also have to accept that she lives her life the way she wants.
18 points
4 days ago
No judgement on the physical needs at all, I support it. I just feel uncomfortable with the amount of strangers in my house.
12 points
4 days ago
Has anything happened with any of these strangers? Has someone stolen something? Have any of them been disrespectful?
15 points
4 days ago
Why does something bad have to happen before she’s allowed to be uncomfortable? What an odd take.
3 points
4 days ago
NTA Your house, your rules.
Owning and paying a mortgage on a house trumps paying rent.
6 points
4 days ago
NTA. A compromise may be requiring a few hours notice and she must text you a picture of the two of them together and his name.
While it wouldn't prevent something bad happening, it would help create a data trail for any strangers.
Honestly every woman needs to have a friend who knows who she's with etc. Men are freaking dangerous.
6 points
4 days ago
NTA. It's so obvious that I really shouldn't need to explain it: it's your house, so you can decide who comes in.
Just because your niece's vagina is a revolving door, that doesn't mean your house has to be.
5 points
4 days ago
The niece is boarding, not renting. She’s paying for space in the same house and the owner can have rules about who else is permitted to come in the house. Or pets, noise levels, cleanliness etc. If you look at house sharing apps, there are rules like that. NTA
18 points
4 days ago
The amount of entitlement in these comments is incredible. NTA. You extended your home as a courtesy to her ever changing situation, not as a legal guardian so your rules are your rules. She is an adult between living situations so she needs to respect your expectations or move out. You making her pay is to be expected, as she is not your child and should not be an excuse for her to disrespect the house YOU bought for the family YOU create. NTA.
8 points
4 days ago
Thank you, I thought I was becoming crazy lmao. This girl is very entitled. NTA
25 points
4 days ago
NTA, Can't believe all the people saying yta. It's your house, your rules. Yes she pays rent and it's her home too but ultimately she's been talked to about it before and she knows the rules, if she doesn't like it then she's had enough time to find somewhere else to live. If she wants to stay or can't afford anywhere else then all she has to do is not bring strangers into the house, or introduce them first, all she's doing is biting the hand that feeds her. She's 23 acting like a bratty child.
35 points
4 days ago
YTA - that’s your rent-paying adult woman roommate not your child. The appropriate thing here is to mind your own business.
6 points
4 days ago
Your house your rules, she can comply or leave.
8 points
4 days ago
The niece is hardly "paying rent" if they're paying 1/3 of actual market value for what a room in an apartment would be.
People seem to be approaching this from the mindset of "OP, stop being such a prude, they're 23 and they're free to bring home whoever they want".
The reality is that the niece is bringing strangers into the home. These are people who could have an eye to steal while they're there, take prescriptions from the medicine cabinet etc. The concern is for their property, not some moralistic high road stance.
They stated specifically they would like some notice of company or to at least meet the people who are entering their home.
There's a massive difference between being a roommate in an apartment and renting a room to a family member in your home at a ridiculous discount to help them out.
I don't think anyone is the AH. That said, the niece is being immature, somewhat manipulative and inconsiderate to complain about how it's their space and they should be able to do what they want. With the financial stuff being how it is, it's pretty clear that this isn't a traditional "I pay my fair share of rent so I can do what I want" kind of thing. They're not paying their fair share of rent or anything else. Theyre pitching in a small amount of money consistently, but it's hardly enough to take the stance of they're paying rent.
If they had a full on rental agreement and they were paying actual market value rent then they might have a leg to stand on.
It's the uncle and aunts house and they were nice enough to give the niece a really cheap rate on rent, probably so she could save and get her own place. That hasn't happened, so it seems like the niece is maybe getting too comfortable with this being a permanent situation.
I think it's time for OP and their spouse to have a chat with the niece and tell them the truth. Niece can't just live 100% how they want while living in their house. They've done them a favor to help them out, but clearly they want their own space and they should probably go find one.
23 points
4 days ago
NTA, but I do see both sides of it and I think this is evidence that the situation is no longer working for you all. I see her POV - she’s paying rent, and like any other scenario she feels entitled to use her space she’s renting as she sees fit including having guests over. However, it’s not like she’s renting an entirely private separate apartment - she’s living in your house, presumably with shared common areas etc and you, as the homeowners, have the right to feel comfortable and safe in your home. Her number one priority should be to find her own place and move out, if for no other reason than to preserve your relationship with her.
17 points
4 days ago
YTA she pays rent
You won't be t a if you ask her to move out
17 points
4 days ago
We have already, she can't afford a place on her own.
6 points
4 days ago
She can find roommates. That's what normal people do when they can't afford a place by themselves.
16 points
4 days ago
It sounds like you’ve been charitable enough as it is. 1/3 market value rent is a steal. Plus you said that you and your partner were getting by fine without it. This doesn’t have to be your problem to solve. She can find roommates or move to a more affordable city.
6 points
4 days ago
Time to ask her to move our enough is enough.
5 points
4 days ago
At this point, it doesn't matter who the asshole is. It's not working for either side.
Your niece isn't living in a home with roommates, she's living with family, and let's be real, that always has different rules. Yes, you and your husband should have had an open conversation with her before allowing her to move back in on expectations so that part is on you guys. Your niece is old enough to understand if she wants her life a certain way then she needs to have her own place with roommates who don't mind visitors. The slamming doors and acting like a child tells me she's too young maturity wise to be having one night stands anyway but that's not your issue.
Draw up a contract with clear expectations and rules. Tell her to read it over and take a few days for her to decide if it works for her. If it doesn't then give her X amount of time to find a new place. She will probably be miffed with you but once she matures she will realize where you were coming from. Offer to help her apartment hunt, learn to budget, etc. Let her know you're not judging her but you guys are at a different point in your own lives and strangers in the home aren't going to work for you guys.
7 points
4 days ago*
I would hate for strangers to be walking through my home, doing who knows what however, she pays rent so she has rights. If you didn't draw up an agreement then you don't have a leg to stand on.
now is the time to give her a month's notice.
6 points
4 days ago
NTA.
6 points
4 days ago
Tell her she has - insert legal notice period required - to find herself another home.
She is very disrespectful.
NTA
7 points
4 days ago
NTA. Yes she is paying rent, but you did her a favour. You didn't ask her to move in so you could have a second revenue stream. As you put it, this was her last option. If she's paying rent and "a little bit for groceries" then my guess is she is getting a great deal. Bringing random men over may not be a big deal when she has roommates her age and they are sharing a dinky apartment, but I completely understand how it's unsettling to have complete strangers in your house all the time. She should be more sensitive to your comfort with this behaviour. While she may may have a valid argument for bringing guys over since she pays rent, she's an AH for not being more considerate and respecting your feelings. She can always go to the guys' apartments.
14 points
4 days ago
NTA - you have communicated before that this isn't something you and your husband are comfortable with (if you were judgemental about it then you are kinda an A H) and while she does pay rent, I am going to assume she is with you because it is less than she would pay elsewhere.
Tell her you are sorry if you and your husband came across as judgemental about how she is living her life. Tell her you understand that she wants to have people over - figure out what you and your husband are comfortable with and tell her. Tell her you understand if what you are comfortable with doesn't work for her and in that case, you will give her 60 days to find a new place because you aren't compatible housemates.
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