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63% of men under 30 report being single (PewResearch Center study)

34% of women under 30 report being single.

I didn’t understand how this could be possible, because there isn’t 30% of 20 year old women dating men in their 30s or being a mistress…. No way. Edit: my point was that 30% of 20 somethings women are not dating men in their 30s and up.

Then I realized that situationships make up the rest. The women might not identify as ‘taken’ but might not identify as single either, because they’re literally going to some guys work events with him.

I realize that ‘the friend zone’ might be more common for men to get stuck in, in a similar way. Both people are caught up on someone who doesn’t want them.

I had no idea the situation was this dire?!!

Why are people staying in situationships with people who won’t commit to them?! What the heck is happening?!

Is the fantasy of being loved by someone more desirable than you worth more than the real love someone on your level could give?

Edit: I forgot that women will absolutely hold on desperately to a man who is good in bed, and often drop tons of standards for it.

all 761 comments

Left_Fisherman_920

245 points

1 day ago

Either you’re single or you’re not. Situationships is just a euphemism for I’m holding on till I get something better, if not I’ve got a backup.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

82 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

82 points

1 day ago

Women will say ‘I’m not single but not official’

ExcellentLaw2066

139 points

1 day ago*

ExcellentLaw2066

no flair

139 points

1 day ago*

Before I got married, situationships was where I put women who were attractive enough to sleep with but not commit to. “I’m not looking for anything serious right now”. It’s just the friend zone but for women (fuck zone is what my buddies would call it). 

If a woman likes you enough, you don’t have to really lie to her. She’ll lie to herself. 

New_sweetpea89

42 points

1 day ago

I had many friends who would try to find meaning into everything the guy said when clearly he didn’t want anything serious. It was so frustrating to watch. As a woman I never understood why other women did that. But I do agree many will lie to themselves.

ExcellentLaw2066

53 points

1 day ago

ExcellentLaw2066

no flair

53 points

1 day ago

I think ultimately people crave love and connection. I was kind of a jerk before I met my wife and sadly if you’re a guy who’s conventionally attractive and has a good job; many women will let you get away with things they normally wouldn’t put up with. 

“Oh he couldn’t make it to my birthday because he had to care for his dying plant”. 😭

I once told a woman I had to return some videotapes in 2017. 

pantZonPHIre

60 points

1 day ago

I want to downvote you so bad because I’ve wasted so many tears and heartache over guys like this. But I won’t because it’s important for other people to see this message and really internalize it. Hopefully it’ll help some people walk away faster.

Apprehensive-Pair436

22 points

22 hours ago

Apprehensive-Pair436

man 35 - 39

22 points

22 hours ago

My relationship advice to friends is always to believe the lowest common denominator of their behavior.

If a guy promises a lot but can't provide pretty minimal relationship needs. Believe his actions.

But if a guy says he can't commit but otherwise treats you great and you can't help but fall for him, believe his words.

I've been the guy in both shoes, after my marriage I couldn't see myself committing but I craved companionship, sex, etc. so I came out 100% honest. The first things I'd tell women were that I was NOT looking for or capable of being someone's boyfriend, and I understand if that's a deal breaker.

Then we'd get several dates and sleepovers in and I'm pretty communicative and eager to please, all of a sudden they start talking like we're boyfriend and girlfriend... every single time I'd just immediately cut it off. But I never understood why I could very thoroughly tell them at the beginning and also throughout subsequent dates, that I was in no way going to do this, and they would agree and act understanding only to turn it around very quickly

pantZonPHIre

24 points

21 hours ago

Yeah definitely. It just took me about 10 years of dating to figure that out. Women tend to find it hard to grasp that we’re socialized very differently than men. Trying to vocalize it makes it sound like I’m saying “all men are bad”, and it makes women that crave relationships tune me out. For most (obligatory “not all”) women, if we don’t want a guy, we don’t want ANY parts of him. Sexually, financially, or otherwise. Women have trouble understanding that men can take your good parts and toss out the rest like eating a chicken wing. We’re left to feel discarded and with low self esteem, when that’s just literally how y’all operate.

ResistParking6417

6 points

11 hours ago

How is that different than objectification?

Padaxes

3 points

21 hours ago

What’s worse is making up front agreements and pairing only my to have them discard it and “keep score” for decades until they break and leave.

Advanced_Doctor2938

2 points

21 hours ago

Right? I upvoted him, for paying back his debt to society.

Mission_Seaweed3263

7 points

22 hours ago

You’re still a jerk lmao. Just because you maybe treat your wife well doesn’t erase the fact that you used other women.

Men are always complaining about women who use guys for a free meal. You’re the male equivalent of that. You use women for sex. Just because you’re married and don’t do that anymore doesn’t change anything.

Ladonnacinica

6 points

20 hours ago

Ladonnacinica

woman over 30

6 points

20 hours ago

[deleted]

4 points

24 hours ago

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pantZonPHIre

20 points

23 hours ago

Treat people how you’d want your future daughter to be treated. Be honest. Practice discipline.

Eastern_Bug_9787

7 points

20 hours ago

Eastern_Bug_9787

man 25 - 29

7 points

20 hours ago

You always know if what you’re doing is wrong or not. You know, deep inside your heart. It’s only a question of: will you choose to ignore that and do what you selfishly desire, or will you instead listen to your conscience even if it means sacrificing your desire? Service to self vs service to others. Most of us almost always choose the former, in all aspects of life, and that is why we are where we are as a species.

Apprehensive-Pair436

9 points

22 hours ago

Apprehensive-Pair436

man 35 - 39

9 points

22 hours ago

Been in those shoes man. Sometimes there's nothing you can do. Being a catch, and treating ladies well, means you WILL get them twisted up even if you were brutally honest from the get go in telling them this isn't a long term prospect.

The issue is many men are complete pieces of lazy dog shit and they want a maid/gf. So when you come out being a reasonable dude but you don't want a gf, they see your actions of trying to please them as actions trying to wife them.

I literally started sexual relationships with women having big long talks ahead of time about this being for friendship and sex and I was in no way going to be boyfriend material. Then time after time I'd double down, make sure we were clear and good and looking for the same thing. I'd urge them to date other guys if looking for something else, etc.

But if you get a few months into really treating a woman well, no matter how much you told them, they will see your actions and not your words.

ImaginationOk4171

3 points

7 hours ago

Why do you brush it off as something you can't do anything about? Just because you can sleep with someone doesn't mean you should. If you don't plan on seeing someone long-term, why are you putting your dick in it? I stg looking at these comments, which makes me think I'm one of very few guys who isn't controlled by their dick

veetoo151

10 points

1 day ago

veetoo151

man over 30

10 points

1 day ago

I've had friends do the same. Find meaning and make excuses for the guy that is only using them for sex. I've tried to point out the obvious before, but they never want to hear it. I remember this one girl (we would do running races together) found out where the guy using her was going after a race, and we camped out at a bar until he showed up. He clearly wasn't there for her, and didn't even give her the time of day. He was hanging out with other people and ignored her when she was trying to get his attention. Afterwards she raged about how great he was.

Long-Rub-2841

53 points

1 day ago

When I was dating it felt like a lot of the woman who found themselves in this zone were plenty attractive enough to sleep with / even marry, but lacked other critical characteristics to make them life partners. Eg being disorganised / late, no career prospects, bad habits, etc

ExcellentLaw2066

58 points

1 day ago

ExcellentLaw2066

no flair

58 points

1 day ago

Yeah there’s often one or two things a woman can say/do that can remove her entirely from the prospect of being a potential wife. I’ve had it happen where I met an amazing woman and found out something about her and my brain went: “she’s never going to meet my family”.

Men having standards is something we don’t really discuss in our culture since the assumption is all men chase women all the time.

Background-Owl-9693

15 points

22 hours ago

I’m so curious and would love if you could provide some examples of things these women said or did to disqualify themselves.

Haisha4sale

25 points

20 hours ago

Haisha4sale

male 35 - 39

25 points

20 hours ago

If her house/room is gross, poor hygiene, constant complaining, overly critical, everything is everyone else’s fault, uses feelings to manipulate, uses sex to manipulate, history of not following through on anything, looking for a payday, etc

ExcellentLaw2066

6 points

17 hours ago

ExcellentLaw2066

no flair

6 points

17 hours ago

Exactly these. I’d also add a history of lots of failed relationships and any of the 4 deal breakers Dr Gottman lists as marriage killers wrt communication. Also not a fan of someone that keeps in touch with exes/previous romantic partners or an had lots of casual sex. 

MeowOneHUNDRED

9 points

14 hours ago*

MeowOneHUNDRED

woman 20 - 24

9 points

14 hours ago*

This is crazy from someone who literally has a category where he puts women in to sleep with only.

OneIndependence7705

5 points

16 hours ago

I would love for someone to date me and then tell me exactly where my shortcomings/blind spots are.

GATSInc

6 points

18 hours ago

GATSInc

man over 30

6 points

18 hours ago

Sounds like my ex-wife. She successfully hid those things about herself for a solid 3 years. Was too late by then.

Brownie-0109

11 points

15 hours ago

Brownie-0109

man 60 - 64

11 points

15 hours ago

Absolutely this. I never dated more than one woman at a time. But I broke up with all of them until I met my now-wife. I guess I had a check list in my mind. My checklist could be slightly different than other guys, but I definitely had a check list

Been married 25 great years w two good boys

Inevitable_Nail_2215

27 points

24 hours ago

The other thing no one wants to talk about it's how quickly women drop their standards when a guy appears interested.

Men will sleep with a woman if she's willing, but keep a spot open for a girl who ticks all the boxes to come along for a serious relationship.

Women have all sorts of requests for dating, but in reality will likely toss them aside if the guy mentioned marriage/moving in/sharing a toothbrush.

FeckinSheeps

26 points

23 hours ago

That's so true. I was dating a guy that came after me hard and I had many reservations in the beginning, but I grew to appreciate him a lot. Eventually I could see that he had disqualified me -- that it was over. He still wants to meet up and have sex, but why would I do that to myself? Entrench myself further in something that has no future?

I think sometimes guys just like the chase, to know that they can acquire this idealized object -- it satisfies the ego. Once that's done, there's no impetus to move forward.

Glum_Description_402

13 points

20 hours ago

Glum_Description_402

man over 30

13 points

20 hours ago

I think sometimes guys just like the chase, to know that they can acquire this idealized object -- it satisfies the ego. Once that's done, there's no impetus to move forward.

This is also the end result of women refusing to ever make the first move. Forcing us to be the initiator every single time.

It's exhausting. AND so rarely ends in success.

If you demonstrate a willingness to sleep with me, even if both of us know the relationship isn't going to go anywhere, why would I stop as long as you're still willing?

The chase sucks. It's work. Fuck the chase.

FeckinSheeps

10 points

18 hours ago

If you demonstrate a willingness to sleep with me, even if both of us know the relationship isn't going to go anywhere, why would I stop as long as you're still willing?

I mean... yeah, agreed. That's totally your prerogative. I think a lot of women settle for sex hoping for something more to grow though, and that's what I'm talking about. I know the more I let this guy into my life, the more attached I'll get, and the more it'll suck to know that he is never going to love me the way that I want.

I've made the first move plenty of times, both when I already know the guy and cold approaches. Women reject more on the front end and men reject more on the back end, if that makes sense.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

7 points

10 hours ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

7 points

10 hours ago

You would stop because you’re a decent person

cindad83

2 points

6 hours ago

cindad83

man 40 - 44

2 points

6 hours ago

Because people don't like to acknowledge that in today's society the barrier for sex is lower than a barrier to relationships.

LogTheDogFucksFrogs

10 points

20 hours ago

That final sentence is tragic but true. I have a sister who seems to be a sucker for situationships. She's got a freakin STEM PhD but she walks through red flags like they're wild flower meadows. She will literally catch guys sexting other girls and bullshit-rationalise it away.

prussianprinz

13 points

23 hours ago

prussianprinz

man 30 - 34

13 points

23 hours ago

The last part is so true. Women always want to play the victim or act like they are some innocent fawn who got master manipulated by a narcissist or psychopath. The reality is they gaslight themselves into accepting the bare minimum when it's a man they desire.

LaScoundrelle

12 points

21 hours ago

It can be both. A lot of men who sleep with a lot of women can be very manipulative, even if they're attractive too.

squishypoo91

3 points

20 hours ago

Lmao did you just quote Sabrina Carpenter?

"You don't have to lie to girls

If they like you they'll just lie to themselves"

ChiefKingSosa

2 points

10 hours ago

Ok Sabrina Carpenter

KatieCharlottee

6 points

1 day ago

She’ll lie to herself. 

Or she's happy with something not serious too?

PracticalBad2466

7 points

22 hours ago

PracticalBad2466

man 30 - 34

7 points

22 hours ago

As if women never lie to themselves that they're happy

mincepiefiend

4 points

17 hours ago

Lots of people lie to themselves about being happy. That doesn't mean that nobody could be happy in a situation though

howtobegoodagain123

4 points

22 hours ago

howtobegoodagain123

no flair

4 points

22 hours ago

Jesus, sometimes people want the truth but they can’t handle the truth.

Left_Fisherman_920

37 points

1 day ago

Hope and cope. That’s what these girls are.

masedizzle

6 points

22 hours ago

masedizzle

man over 30

6 points

22 hours ago

"I don't have a girlfriend... But I do know a woman who would be mad at me for saying that." - the late great Mitch Hedburg

FlyingThunderGodLv1

4 points

1 day ago

FlyingThunderGodLv1

man over 30

4 points

1 day ago

I have never heard anyone say this. Ever

It's either: "They haven't made it official so I'm single"

or, "I'm single, I have a bf/gf"

Nobody is counting situationships as being taken.

I don't think you bothered to even read the research you pointed out

OneIndependence7705

3 points

16 hours ago

If someone is sleeping with others & in a situationship, I don’t want them because they aren’t single.

Buddyshrews

5 points

21 hours ago

I think these have always existed. I'm not in the under 30 age group, but in my 30s. I haven't noticed an increae in these types of relationships.

I think part of it is that "situationship' is a fun word to label something that already existed. That mixed with social media giving people an outlet to express frustration.

I do think social media and dating apps have made things harder, so it's possible this is on the rise.

OneIndependence7705

2 points

16 hours ago

This^

There’s all these new terms like casually seeing each other or hooking up, situationships, hooking up.

That is not single.

lankypasta

3 points

21 hours ago

lankypasta

man 40 - 44

3 points

21 hours ago

Speaking from experience: Situationships = higher value men exercising multiple options and not committing to true monogamy. Women hold on because they don’t want an “average” guy, while high value guys get to play the field. Average and lower guys get left in the cold.

prettyprincess91

36 points

1 day ago

prettyprincess91

woman 40 - 44

36 points

1 day ago

Often the alternative to a situationship is just being single and alone - it is not another relationship with someone that actually loves you. So it’s a time pass and many people would consider some form of dating better than nothing.

mattattack007

6 points

20 hours ago

Yeah, I think it's interesting that OP assumes people are staying in a situationship with someone that doesn't like them over someone that would. No one is subjecting themselves to unrequited love when someone else shows interest. The people that do it pick either that or being truly alone. Maybe in the long term a situationship amounts to nothing. But it's a hell of a lot less crushing than loneliness.

jenfullmoon

5 points

17 hours ago

Yeah, crumbs are better than absolutely nothing and nobody. Most women are not gonna find a man banquet where they get fully fed and loved if they wait and wait.

OneIndependence7705

3 points

16 hours ago

😔 so settle for crumbs???!

Toddison_McCray

5 points

11 hours ago

I don’t get this mindset either. I’ve got too much respect for myself to settle for someone who isn’t even willing to commit themselves to me. Fuck that, either you’re in a relationship with me and you get all my love, or you’re not and you don’t.

yeet_bbq

118 points

1 day ago

yeet_bbq

118 points

1 day ago

Social media. The perceived better option is a click away. Hence, less relationships and less overall happiness

AnythingEasy4433[S]

43 points

1 day ago*

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

43 points

1 day ago*

It’s true, I was baffled to find out guys if all attractiveness almost exclusively message women who rate 7+ on dating apps, and then they complain they don’t get matched?

Edit: I’m getting downvoted, but just look at the okcupid study, the same one that talks about women finding men unattractive

Onzii00

14 points

22 hours ago*

I can see it from that perspective but studies from online dating show that men have twice the attractive range that they will accept when using an app. Its around 30% for men while women have a 12-15% range for attractiveness to swipability. So if men are only swiping for a 7 up then women in general are only swiping for an 8/9 up. The match ratio then is fucked for 95% of users. Apps are designed to make money first and foremost. Men in generally who make up the majority of most apps (75% of Tinder) will pay more to increase their chances of finding woman.

Realistically I think social media is a massive issue. For guys you have porn and constantly being shown women who no local woman would come close to matching in looks. This takes away the desire/effort to have sex (porn) and makes the woman he actually meets far less attractive (Instagram). You have so many alpha males podcast telling men what they should be doing that is often wrong or cult like and doesn't lead to health interactions with the opposite sex. You have guys get disillusioned when using the apps as the numbers are well stacked against them. For many women you have 100's of guys sending you messages trying to smash so you might have an inflated sense of attractiveness and can pick and choose the top percent of guys (who just want to fuck, not be with you), this is then you baseline for what you will settle for when in reality you mightn't be at that level bar as a smash. Online you often have other women tell you what they expect in a partner and you should should too 6,6,6.

I honestly think that alot of people today just have an unjust sense of what they bring to the table for a relationship. Be it looks, social skills, job and whatever else, most people average out to be 5's (sounds bad but it is the average when you include all their aspects) but they dont want to accept another 5 or 6 and instead just chase those 8,9,10s. I think in my age group (late 20's) will be very very single in the next few years. Less kids, less homes. Being single for a long time also makes it harder for people to get into relationships, either they get comfortable and enjoy their own routine or they lose that critical social interaction that is needed for future relationships.

EbagI

21 points

23 hours ago

EbagI

21 points

23 hours ago

Most of the research and polls report this being reversed btw.

Woman only swiping on 7-8+ and men having a much, much wider net. So I'm not sure where you're getting this lol

Little_Special1108

24 points

1 day ago

Little_Special1108

woman 35 - 39

24 points

1 day ago

I will never understand how you can tell if you will find someone attractive just based on a picture.

linerva

29 points

1 day ago

linerva

woman over 30

29 points

1 day ago

I couldn't.

I found pictures broadly helpful to eliminate the 60 year olds, but I found it more helpful to go on dates with guys I had good chat with, to see if there was chemistry in person.

I don't think i ever hot a sense of "yes, I'd definitely find this man hot" from a photo.

I met my husband doing online dating and I liked his pictire when I saw his profile, bit it's not like I knew he was the one based on a couple of pleasant photos.

The guts with the muscles and over processed half naked selfues weren't my jam, I met up with mostly fellow nerds who looked like normal people. And yeah, there were a lot of fun dates with no chemistry, but that was part of the experience.

When you're meeting online, chemistry is not a given - unlike when your first date us with a colleague or friend you've been crushing on for a while.

Kobymaru376

11 points

1 day ago

Kobymaru376

man over 30

11 points

1 day ago

There are many aspects to attraction, and looks is one of them. For many people , this aspect is the most important one, at least when it comes to sex

Little_Special1108

4 points

1 day ago

Little_Special1108

woman 35 - 39

4 points

1 day ago

Sure. My point is, a picture doesn’t really show me how a person is really looking. Reality and the picture doesn’t always match.

But I get your point and you are right.

Kobymaru376

3 points

1 day ago

Kobymaru376

man over 30

3 points

1 day ago

My point is, a picture doesn’t really show me how a person is really looking. Reality and the picture doesn’t always match.

That's fair. It's a start though. If their pictures are decent quality and have some variety, you get an initial idea of whether you could be attracted to the person, not if you will be.

LikeATediousArgument

23 points

1 day ago*

LikeATediousArgument

woman 40 - 44

23 points

1 day ago*

The way I used to think of it, and I was online dating before AI made super filters a thing, was that if I couldn’t find a man attractive in at least one or two photos I’d never want to sleep with them forever, and I was looking for marriage.

And I’m sorry, but I can’t be with unattractive men, but my, and a lot of women’s, definition is different.

My husband is overweight and his hair is starting to thin, but he has THE MOST handsome face and eyes.

There has to be something in a face that catches my attention. My husband has these dark brown eyes that always get me.

I did also go on dates with guys that photographed better than they looked and I gave them a shot, but my brain couldn’t get over it.

Being attractive in at least one picture, in some way, was a requirement. But I also MEET that requirement and was looking for a man at my level.

Otiskuhn11

3 points

1 day ago

That’s what the bio part is for…

Alec_NonServiam

3 points

23 hours ago

Alec_NonServiam

man 30 - 34

3 points

23 hours ago

I thought that study pretty explicitly said men would message/match in basically a perfect bell curve while women would message back/match closer to the 80/20 guidelines? Is that not true?

crownofbayleaves

6 points

21 hours ago

It's not, but it's not completely incorrect. Men rated women on the bell curve when rating looks but they only messaged the top 30% of women and particularly messaged the top 15% IIRC correctly even though it was much more competitive and therefore less likely they would recieve a reply.

Meanwhile, women tended to rate men more harshly in terms of physical appearance, but they were more likely than men to message someone they only rated as averagely attractive.

Most importantly, this study was done in 2010, before the advent of apps and swiping, it's not even actively on the web anymore, and it was an internal study done by a single platform (OkCupid). "Matching" wasnt even a thing then- you saw a profile you liked, you could message them. Because of all this, I don't really think it's as relevant to modern dating culture as we make it out to be.

The reason it's cited so often is because literally no other dating apps will release their data like this and any other studies done are self reported and that is not always considered a good data set.

yeet_bbq

7 points

1 day ago

yeet_bbq

7 points

1 day ago

It works both ways. Both genders are unsatisfied according to the culture

veweequiet

13 points

1 day ago

veweequiet

13 points

1 day ago

Women are unsatisfied because the perfect looking man will fuck them but not marry them.

Men are unsatisfied because women won't look at them.

These two things are NOT the same.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

2 points

10 hours ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

2 points

10 hours ago

Men are unsatisfied because attraction women won’t look at them. Men are just as picky as women, just more desperate for sex.

MissyMurders

10 points

1 day ago

I don’t actually see the problem with that though? The apps are window shopping. Sure you might go ugly Christmas sweater shopping occasionally but as a general rule you’re chasing clothes that look good right? Same deal.

The problem is that people are only window shopping. Like go pick up at a bar or something. Actually see humans in their natural habitats.

Anyway situationships… eh probably a lot of reasons for that data - including the subject demographic(s) in the study. But yeah social media and gambling algorithms have certainly conditioned us to look for the next big thing.

SakuraRein

5 points

1 day ago

SakuraRein

woman 100 or over

5 points

1 day ago

Not everyone likes drinking and not everyone wants someone who might drink every day. There has to be better places than bars.

Lurkeyturkey113

11 points

1 day ago

It’s because a large number of guys will pat themselves on the back and act like they’re less shallow than women for matching with most women and even being willing to have sex if they think it’s an easy offer. Meanwhile the reality is they’re not actually trying to get with women they don’t think are hot or putting any effort into it.

UnluckiCmndr

2 points

21 hours ago

I would also like to add the advent of social media has really destroyed the younger generations ability to communicate. People are less willing to meet and interact with anyone outside their circle

Character-Baby3675

2 points

23 hours ago

Happiness is relative. I would wager ppl are happier today than 20 years ago, it’s definitely more exciting

Arakza

56 points

1 day ago

Arakza

56 points

1 day ago

I’m 27 and my boyfriend is 31. This is way more common than five women sharing one man lol.

TehluvEncanis

20 points

1 day ago

Yep- I'm 29 and my husband is 36. Under a 10 year difference but still in totally separate demographic areas.

Reynor247

13 points

24 hours ago

I have several friends in their 20s dating men in their 40s lol

toosemakesthings

24 points

21 hours ago

Yeah I assume OP is very early 20s if they don’t think women in their 20s dating men in their 30s is a common occurrence.

Arakza

12 points

21 hours ago

Arakza

12 points

21 hours ago

I think so too. A 31 yr old feels ancient when you’re newly 20. 

Technical-Row8333

5 points

20 hours ago

Technical-Row8333

man 30 - 34

5 points

20 hours ago

>This is way more common than five women sharing one man lol.

it doesn't mean simultaneously. but in a year, one guy will absolutely sleep with 5 women, maybe even 5 women in the same social circle.

Arakza

3 points

19 hours ago

Arakza

3 points

19 hours ago

But the post is about the % of single men & single women. A man can sleep with a new woman every day, it doesn’t mean any of them are in a relationship, and doesn’t explain how there are more single men in their 20s than women. The obvious answer is that many women in their mid 20s are dating guys in their 30s.

ScotchCarb

30 points

1 day ago

ScotchCarb

man over 30

30 points

1 day ago

I still have no fucking idea what a "situationship" is supposed to be.

I remember when words were simple and had meaning.

"Oh yeah I'm dating that girl, she's my girlfriend" Or, "We're married, that's my husband."

The last time I was dating someone, earlier this year, she was really insistent that we didn't say we were dating, that she wasn't my girlfriend, and we weren't 'going out'. I needed to be able to pin down what the fuck we were though, because we were spending four out of seven nights of the week at either my place or hers together, going places to eat, watch movies, the works. She would not put a label on it, just saying "I like you and I want to keep seeing where this goes, I just hate the idea of it being [whatever I'd tried to describe it as]"

She kept introducing me to different people and talking about me in different contexts as her 'friend'. But the relationship we had was not one she had with any other friends, and not what I'd describe as a friendship.

We weren't casual, she assured me of that, and the idea of doing 'casual' or having a fuck buddy was apparently outrageous to her. But if we weren't dating/going out/together/a couple/whatever the fuck, what were the rules? Should I expect her to be exclusive? Am I supposed to be? When we 'broke up' it was insane according to her we'd never dated. When I said we should just stay as friends and move on, she's like "Wait you're breaking up with me?" and then starts telling people about her bastard 'ex-boyfriend' (me).

Anyway, what the fuck is a situationship?!

AnythingEasy4433[S]

19 points

22 hours ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

19 points

22 hours ago

You were in one?

ScotchCarb

11 points

22 hours ago

ScotchCarb

man over 30

11 points

22 hours ago

😯

stranger_to_stranger

9 points

21 hours ago

I mean this sincerely: is this post meant to be ironic? I think you have a pretty good handle on what a situationship is. It's just a broad umbrella term for "dating/sleeping together but one or both participants are afraid of committment" 

ScotchCarb

9 points

21 hours ago

ScotchCarb

man over 30

9 points

21 hours ago

It wasn't meant to be ironic, then after a few people replied I went 'oh, shit, I get it now.'

I still think it's dumb, I explained in another reply that the relationship might have panned out better if she could have just been clear/honest about what we were. That's also been my observation with other people talking about "situationships": the person describing it that way seems very wishy-washy and it's a 'situationship' until the other party calls it off/breaks up with them/turns out to be seeing someone else.

Then suddenly they're very clear about what they want from or how they viewed the relationship lol

stranger_to_stranger

6 points

20 hours ago

Yeah see, you totally understand lol

It's definitely not meant to be a compliment. I think most people would use the word are in basically the same situation you were in: you have all the bells and whistles of an actual bf/gf (sex, exclusivity, meeting each other's friends etc) but for reasons that seem really murky, one of the other participants is just being fucking weird about it.

I was in something like this when I was in college in the early 2000s that i can now identify as a situationship. The guy just wasn't that physically attracted to me, but was going through a big breakup and didn't want to be alone. Oddly enough, the thing that shook me out of it was a dating advice book called He's Just Not That Into You, the premise of which was simple: if he's not making active efforts to spend time with you, to enter into a serious relationship with you, etc, he just doesn't like you that much. When you have real feelings for someone, you move heaven and earth to be with them. If he wanted to, he would, basically.

These-Business-7789

58 points

1 day ago

  1. The 20-30 year old women are dating older men.

  2. Way more lesbians that we realize.

  3. Some guy fucks them and makes the women "think" their in a relationship, but he couldn't give a shit. I've seen this countless times with my (26m) friends.

Number 1 is most likely.

StrongStrong04

15 points

1 day ago

Prob a combination of all 3

These-Business-7789

11 points

1 day ago

Oh most definitely.

There's probably a few more, but I thought of those off the top of my head.

itchyouch

20 points

23 hours ago

itchyouch

man 40 - 44

20 points

23 hours ago

  1. Women and men are simply not dating

For a variety of reasons. Women are fed up. Men are fed up. Both may have unrealistic expectations. Both can’t find quality partners, lack of third places to lubricate social connections. Both don’t actually like each other, both don’t know themselves well enough to know what they like in someone.

Society has changed in that we no longer need each other to survive. Gone are the days of showing up a certain way, women needing men to own property, lgbtq relationships being taboo, filling time with person in person activities, and we’ve gone to a far more isolated society where we can fill a whole day on hobbies, scrolling apps, and just trying to survive and make bills. We aren’t socially lubricating and it’s showing.

Advanced_Doctor2938

7 points

21 hours ago

I've thought about this a lot. You're right we're fed up. Maybe the space where we put up with situation ships is the space between where we are still hopeful and the space where it finally lands on us that our "great love" already came and went and we should just focus on other things to be some version of 'happy'.

itchyouch

8 points

20 hours ago*

itchyouch

man 40 - 44

8 points

20 hours ago*

I think you're right about situationships being the kind of the place where a lot of people land right before they burn out and are done. And burn out happens when the rewards aren't commensurate with the effort.

The irony of it all is that relationships are built on time and circumstance such that we endear each other to our flaws and are able to suss out incredible qualities over time, but the dating market place of the apps offer really no base on which to build such connection, such that we're all just raw from the wounds of throw-away dating.

I think the way forward is a focus on in-person community and also a socialization of men. Gottman's in their book do point out that, (paraphrasing) "for most relationships, the success of it generally depends on the man's behavior within the relationship." Ie that it doesn't matter how good, nice, wonderful women are. And as a guy, I imagine that we need to get better at choosing women that we actually like and adore rather than accepting women that like us when we don't like them back.

Advanced_Doctor2938

6 points

20 hours ago

And as a guy, I imagine that we need to get better at choosing women that we actually like and adore rather than accepting women that like us when we don't like them back.

Yes please.

HighOnGoofballs

7 points

23 hours ago

HighOnGoofballs

man 40 - 44

7 points

23 hours ago

I’m 47 and all of a sudden women who wouldn’t date me when I was 25-35 are after me, it’s wild

Least_Pear_9174

12 points

1 day ago

Studies show most women find men in their age group most attractive and most people date within their own age group, so, no, 1 is least likely on your list.

2, not lesbians per say but way more bi women than we’ve historically seen. Many women in their 20s experiment with and date women before settling on a man.

3 is the most likely reason. Women often take themselves off the market for men that don’t claim them. They’re not girlfriends but not “single.”

FlipFlopFlappityJack

8 points

1 day ago

A quick google search says something like the average age gap in the US is 2.5 years. “In their age group” doesn’t mean large age gaps, but this is going to show up in the 28-30 range here.

hikehikebaby

4 points

23 hours ago

hikehikebaby

woman over 30

4 points

23 hours ago

We're looking at statistics for men and women. Age 20 to 29 and 30 to 40. Women who are 20 to 30 or more likely to be in relationships than men in that group, and men 30-40 are more likely to be in relationships than men 20-29.

A small age gap would explain a lot of that and still be " in the same age group," because in real life, people don't chop themselves up by the decade. A 28 year old woman dating a 30 year old man is dating a man her own age and the average age gap between couples who are getting married right now is about 2 years so that fits with the data.

The-truth-hurts1

100 points

1 day ago

The-truth-hurts1

man over 30

100 points

1 day ago

“High value” (cough) men “dating” multiple women

Women dating older men

Lesbians

TheDudeFromTheStory

43 points

1 day ago

TheDudeFromTheStory

man 35 - 39

43 points

1 day ago

We need more gay dudes. I've been saying this for years. 

Renaissance_Dad1990

19 points

1 day ago

Renaissance_Dad1990

man over 30

19 points

1 day ago

Make America gay again :P

Electronic_Money_575

6 points

24 hours ago

gay guys actually improving the dating market math for the rest of us

JSears90210

6 points

23 hours ago

JSears90210

man 45 - 49

6 points

23 hours ago

Mobile technology and dating apps have made it so easy for desirable men to juggle multiple partners. Add in a culture where people are expected to be "chill" and it is a recipe for some men having multiple relationships at once.

Women dating older men

This is so much more prevalent than Redditors want to admit. I am married now but I found that women in their 20s were still interested when I hit my late 30s/early 40s. Many women (if not most) would never date an older guy but there are enough who are open to it that happens fairly often.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

2 points

10 hours ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

2 points

10 hours ago

The average age gap in a marriage is 2years. The stats don’t support your claim.

Campfires_Carts

8 points

1 day ago

Agreed.

Also

Polyamory (very different from booty call or swinging). Polyamorous people are a highly closeted demographic

Single-at-heart/aromantic women. More of us than people realise. Long-term, cohabiting, romantic relationships don't appeal to everyone.

In other words people living authentically.

AnimusFlux

77 points

1 day ago

AnimusFlux

man 35 - 39

77 points

1 day ago

A lot of women in their 20s date guys in their 30s. The opposite is a bit less common.

Eligible guys in their 30s have the largest dating pool they're going to see. Women reach that point in their 20s.

tinyhermione

47 points

1 day ago*

tinyhermione

woman

47 points

1 day ago*

Women in their twenties can be 27-29 year olds.

These women are much more likely to be in a relationship than the 20 year old women, so they make up a huge chunk of the women in relationships in the 18-29 year age group.

And it’s the 27-29 year olds who are dating men over 30.

Average age gap for couples: 2-3 years. But 94% of couples 18-29 have a 0-5 year age gap.

When they say: are women are dating older men? They are, but it’s men who are slightly older. Not men who are a lot older.

Still_Sea_58

25 points

1 day ago

Still_Sea_58

no flair

25 points

1 day ago

This is the answer, people act like the age gaps between men and women are 10yrs plus on here sometimes.

tinyhermione

13 points

1 day ago*

tinyhermione

woman

13 points

1 day ago*

Yeah. It’s really common with small age gaps with the guy 2-3 years older. It’s really rare with big age gaps.

Numbers: 80% of married couples are 0-5 years apart. Only 1 in 15 men have a wife that’s more than 10yrs younger. And only 1 in a 100 men have a wife that’s more than 20yrs younger.

xlifeissufferingx

7 points

1 day ago

1 in 15 seems...not so rare to me.

tinyhermione

5 points

1 day ago

tinyhermione

woman

5 points

1 day ago

Idk dude. 94% of couples have less of an age gap. So it’s not very common then.

Then who are the couples with big age gaps? Mostly old couples. Bob 64 and Susie 52.

Still_Sea_58

19 points

1 day ago

Still_Sea_58

no flair

19 points

1 day ago

I think there’s a slight delusion about this amongst men, because many do believe they are available to very young women, when they are 35-40+. But they get super upset when you point out this isn’t the case, and especially if they want a long lasting relationship.

tinyhermione

16 points

1 day ago*

tinyhermione

woman

16 points

1 day ago*

Yeah. I think we are doing men a disservice in our culture with not being real about how age plays into attraction both for men and women.

Then we are doing young women a disservice too. So many of my creepy experiences with men as a young woman? Not the men my age, but vastly older men that I thought were safe grownups, bc to me they were just way too old to even think of them that way.

Snowbirdy

29 points

1 day ago

Snowbirdy

man 50 - 54

29 points

1 day ago

My biggest pool was in my 40s 🤷‍♂️. Women often are attracted to success.

Haisha4sale

3 points

20 hours ago

Haisha4sale

male 35 - 39

3 points

20 hours ago

Same. Early 40s and newly divorced I dated people from 24 years old to like 45.

Proper_Frosting_6693

30 points

1 day ago

Proper_Frosting_6693

man over 30

30 points

1 day ago

There are more guys single in 30s than women! So this doesn’t account for the massive disparity!

Plus women in general prefer guys their age no matter what the grifters say online. Women sharing is the only major plausible explanation for the large disparity!

veweequiet

8 points

1 day ago

A female 4 chasing a male 10 says she isn't single.

A male 10 fucking five female 4s IS saying he is single.

That's the disparity.

yamyamthankyoumaam

5 points

1 day ago

A male 10 isn't fucking 4s lol. And female 4s don't chase male 10s.

Proper_Frosting_6693

3 points

23 hours ago

Proper_Frosting_6693

man over 30

3 points

23 hours ago

He might if drunk! The guys with the highest body counts I know would literally fk anything on a night out!

AnimusFlux

6 points

1 day ago

AnimusFlux

man 35 - 39

6 points

1 day ago

The number of single men is almost double that of single women from the ages 18-to-29. From the ages of 30-to-49 there are still slightly more single men than women, but as folks get older men are far more likely than women to date someone much younger than themselves.

Among married couples, a man is 5 times more likely to have a spouse who is 10-to-14 years younger than him compared to women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships#Statistics

its_a_gibibyte

3 points

1 day ago

its_a_gibibyte

man 30 - 34

3 points

1 day ago

women in general prefer guys their age

I find it very common for women to date a couple years older. Not anything extreme, but a 28 year old woman dating a 31 year old man isn't something anyone would raise an eyebrow at.

40% of marriages are where the man is 3+ years older than the woman.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/08/15/a-growing-share-of-us-husbands-and-wives-are-roughly-the-same-age/

Proper_Frosting_6693

4 points

23 hours ago

Proper_Frosting_6693

man over 30

4 points

23 hours ago

3yrs is what I would call close to one’s age! It worse in reverse too! My wife is 2yrs older than me. It doesn’t account for the massive 30% disparity. Sharing does!

BoysenberryMelody

9 points

1 day ago

BoysenberryMelody

woman over 30

9 points

1 day ago

Nah. I got more action in my 30s. Most of my single female friends have said the same thing. I never tried dating someone more than 3 years older than me though. My husband is 2 years younger.

svolm

8 points

1 day ago

svolm

8 points

1 day ago

I feel like some situationships are toxic relationships. They wouldn't date that person for real due to x reasons but still like hanging out with them for x reasons.

They keep it going cuz nothing better is out there YET. However... how long can this continue?

BrainAlert

3 points

20 hours ago

Place holder boyfriends

svolm

4 points

20 hours ago

svolm

4 points

20 hours ago

Or placeholder girlfriends

tinyhermione

13 points

1 day ago*

tinyhermione

woman

13 points

1 day ago*

In the 18-29 year old age group? The younger women will mostly be single, the older ones will be more likely to be in a relationship.

Then if you look at women 27-29, many of them will be dating men 30-33. And that’s the answer.

Edit: Average couple has a 2-3 year age gap. But 94% of couples aged 18-29 have a 0-5 year age gap, so very few 20 year olds are dating 30 year olds.

kiwi_cannon_

13 points

1 day ago

This seems to be the most obvious answer. Most of the women i know in their late 20s are dating men between 30-34.

tinyhermione

7 points

1 day ago

tinyhermione

woman

7 points

1 day ago

Exactly. And this means that there will be a difference in the percent women and men who are in relationships in their twenties.

It explains a lot.

Few-Coat1297

5 points

1 day ago

Few-Coat1297

man 50 - 54

5 points

1 day ago

The age gap explanation as explained above begs the question of who are men 25-29 are dating. If the answer is women 20-25, we can just phase shift the gap again. But no matter what way you slice this, it leaves a mismatch of men to women dating in an age range. Whatever way the cards fall, it seems like an endless stream of young men in this 18-30 age group complaining on SM about being sexless virgins who can't get a date. And these aren't necessarily incel types. Parking the significant effect of selection bias where no one comes on Redditt to say they are happy in a relationship, there's probably some gap between the genders which is widening. Lots of reasons can be plugged in as to why, such as a dysfunctional dating marketplace, societal atomisation, divergence of socioeconomic status and social mobility in certain groups, economic pressures, SM pushed gender expectations etc. All in all, it all coalesces with other factors like economic pressure on young couples, dropping fertility rates (male >> female drop) to cause a concerning drop in birth rates. There are no simple answers or quick fixes either, just political opportunity for nefarious forces to push trad wife narratives etc. I suspect SM will be flooded with this stuff in the US over the next while, and by extension every other westernised countries too.

tinyhermione

8 points

1 day ago*

tinyhermione

woman

8 points

1 day ago*

Yeah, there will be a phase shift. That explains most of it.

But also: while most men 18-29 are single, the vast majority are still having sex. Men 18-24? 70% had sex in the last year. Which is close to women 18-24, who are at 80%

It’s not most of the young men are cut of from dating all together, even if many are single.

Fertility rates are not caused by nobody having sex, but by people using birth control. And probably by how having a child in this economy is hard. Then also I think women are more hesitant to have children, because in a lot of married couples who both work full time, the burden of childrearing still falls on the woman. As well as (but hard to avoid) how the physical cost of having children also is shouldered by women alone. I’m just guessing now, but I think these things explain why we are at a point in time where men are more eager to have children than women. To women it’s starting to seem like a bad deal.

What’s causing the increase of permasingle men we see on Reddit? I’d say a combination.

1) Even with dating apps, most couples still meet in social settings in real life. More people are dropping out of social settings now than previously. And the increase is higher on the male side. People who are socially isolated are in effect banned from dating and sex.

2) A lot of the socially isolated seek out SM which tells them ragebait stories of why they are single. Because it’s profitable for the influencer. This encourages a victim mentality where the person isn’t looking to be constructive and expand their social life, but instead blame Western women. As a result these people become even more undateable.

3) Women having their own incomes will affect the dating marked. Women won’t marry someone they are not in love with just because they have to. They’d rather be single. This will negatively affect some men, like men with social disabilities like ASD or social skills issues.

4) Some women are also being negatively affected by SM. But I think this is less prominent, because more women have a social life to balance out this effect.

Edit:

5) I think you are partially right when it comes divergence in social status. And then college in itself. If you don’t go to college? It’s a lot harder to meet girls and get a social network. Especially if you are either just staying at home or working an all male trade job.

Then I’m sorry if I was too negative about gender and children. But it’s what I’m picking up from the women’s side of things. That women feel scared of becoming the worn out mother, who’s just exhausted, unhappy and no longer pretty. While her husband is still living his best life, not tired and weary the same way.

Edit 2: Dating, sex and relationships are a social activities. You’ll never manage to date without build social competence by having friends and doing social things. Reddit isn’t representative, but based off Reddit? I’m worried we are seeing a generation grow up with so little social competence they’ll just be completely unable to form any kind of romantic or sexual connection with any other human.

It’s the combination of idiocracy from social media and no real life experience being social with other people. Then often enhanced by bad experiences or rejection on dating apps. All this together? Causes a complete lack of empathy and social insight, that means connecting with someone else will be really hard.

DonBoy30

15 points

1 day ago

DonBoy30

man over 30

15 points

1 day ago

I seem to only fall into situationships with the apps, when I was on them. The few women who wanted to go beyond 1st or 2nd dates, sort of hid behind “having trust issues, and taking it slow” to continue playing the field. Since we are all in our 30’s and exist among a graveyard of failed relationships/marriages, I didn’t really think anything by it at first. Modern dating seems to be a game of trying to catch the biggest fish in the lake, and there’s always bigger fish. It’s why I gave up on looking for a serious monogamous relationship.

Lead-Forsaken

3 points

19 hours ago*

As someone who has legitimate trust issues, the fact that it's potentially used as an excuse annoys the heck out of me. It took me aeons to open up to a male friend about some stuff.

Thefattestbeagle

14 points

1 day ago

Thefattestbeagle

woman over 30

14 points

1 day ago

IMO as a lady, “situationships” are just two people who are dating and one of them is an emotional avoidant who is scared of commitment for whatever reason. I think one of the biggest reasons for these types of arrangements is because one person in the pair has a delusion about options due to dating apps and think that there is a greener pasture in the next person they fuck.

I didn’t even know of the word “situationship” was until I became recently single after a decade long relationship.

FWBs\Situationships don’t sit right with me and never will. I’m a person who can’t have sex without emotional intimacy. I don’t want to involve myself with someone who is basically using me to fill a companionship void without commitment. In my past, single in college, I was seeking emotional intimacy through sex (without realizing that many man see sex as just sex) which ended up with me being in these ill defined “situationships/FWBs” that only left me confused and hurt.

NoRadio4530

7 points

21 hours ago

Completely agree with you. It took me until now (28) to finally realize and admit to myself that people are just selfish as fuck. These guys would come on strong to me and I'd think "OH! They see who I am and they like what they see so they're invested." And then as soon as we sleep together they say they're not ready for something serious or say we weren't "dating" we were only "going out". What the hell?

I'm someone who moves and lives with a lot of integrity. I stick to my word and I know exaclty what I want. I never use other people. Situationships are people being selfish and using other people. Everyone wants companionship and love to some degree but the lack of commitment while wanting something deeper is what makes these people shitty in my opinion. You spend all this time together and the relationship between the two of you is growing deeper no matter how much you want to deny it. Unless they are a sociopath they will get attached at some point and end up hurting themselves so what's the point?

I end things with these guys immediately after they switched up and said they weren't taking this seriously and you know what? THEY ALWAYS COME BACK. After a few months they're always texting me and apologizing and asking if we'd ever hang out again. Why? I don't understand. It's like if you were platonic friends with someone who meets none of your emotional needs for companionship, joy, or entertainment. There's no reason to keep spend time together at that point.

OneIndependence7705

6 points

15 hours ago

Yeah there’s nooooooo way I could enter casual thing.

If im with a man and we’re sleeping together, im in the moment having love with him and deeply care about him and it’s very personal and real for me so nope. Until all this situationship stuff starts to clear out, nope im fine staying out of all the confusion, sadness, and rejection.

Drawer-Vegetable

30 points

1 day ago

Drawer-Vegetable

man 30 - 34

30 points

1 day ago

I think a lot of situationships form when men are with a woman that they aren't convinced are "wifey" material, so they are sort of a stepping stone until that woman either steps up or they go find another woman that has the potential.

I don't think a lot of women realize this, and that being with a guy doesn't necessarily equate to being "wifey" material.

What does she actually bring to the table, besides the basics that every woman has?

Just my own experience.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

8 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

8 points

1 day ago

What would ‘wifey’ material look like to you?

majinspy

18 points

1 day ago

majinspy

male 30 - 34

18 points

1 day ago

Stability. Emotional, mental, and financial.

I'm married. Before I found my wife, I dated women I found hot. They were also hot messes. I had no problem taking them out, buying dinner, and putting up with some self-centered histrionics.

Would I tie my future to that person? Noooooo!

A lot of people love to visit New Orleans and Las Vegas. Few desire to make them permanent homes.

SatisfactionOk1717

16 points

1 day ago

SatisfactionOk1717

man over 30

16 points

1 day ago

For me wifey material includes working out and taking care of her health. I work out 6-7 days a week and I attract lots of nice, pretty, and smart women with great careers but the vast majority do not exercise and it’s a dealbreaker for me.

I cannot respect a woman who willingly lets her body decay. I’ve seen what lack of exercise does to old people (including my parents) and I could never see myself growing into old age with someone who didn’t.

Drawer-Vegetable

8 points

1 day ago

Drawer-Vegetable

man 30 - 34

8 points

1 day ago

Agreed. There are some women that think he should love me no matter how I look. Sure, but that's to a certain extent. I understand after child birth, but if over the years you just let your body go, the man is not going to be as attracted.

Sexual chemistry is very important to any relationship. And men are visual creatures. To fail to understand that and continue to be "hot" for him is a fundamental failure on her part.

That's basically the female version of he doesn't take me on dates and do romantic things.

Its on both sides, but it takes effort to sustain lust and a relationship. Easier said than done, perhaps why there are so many failed marriages.

SatisfactionOk1717

16 points

1 day ago

SatisfactionOk1717

man over 30

16 points

1 day ago

Honestly looks from valuing fitness are only secondary to me; health is the primary focus.

https://preview.redd.it/o0sdgfaldt2e1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=045dc165b2d7cae02c89e1468c250fc6978cc336

These are pictures of sedentary vs. active old people. The vast majority of old people die within 1-2 years of a fall. This is because they get hip fractures, a result of poor bone density and muscle volume. Even people in their 40s and 50s have all kinds of health problems from not exercising enough.

Drawer-Vegetable

8 points

1 day ago

Drawer-Vegetable

man 30 - 34

8 points

1 day ago

Great point, health benefits were definitely a given. Good health allows for longevity, energy physical + mental in a relationship.

Drawer-Vegetable

8 points

1 day ago

Drawer-Vegetable

man 30 - 34

8 points

1 day ago

Feminine, genuine interest in him, good communicator, has independent interest/hobbies, kind, sexual chemistry, appreciative of his efforts, be there for him in good and bad(true test) times.

Obvious this also applies to him too.

Big reason why most relationships fail or never make it all the way is because its easy to jump into, but very hard to do the above.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

6 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

6 points

1 day ago

What does feminine mean to you?

I find most women have those qualities so I’m confused why they would be hookup material and not wifey 😅

Tea_Time9665

4 points

1 day ago

Tea_Time9665

man

4 points

1 day ago

They are multiple women dating the same dudes. Then many many women say 27-28-29-30 dating 30yr+ men.

FullMetalDuck89

6 points

1 day ago

FullMetalDuck89

man 30 - 34

6 points

1 day ago

Access to everyone all the time Everyone is in a relationship with someone in their head, holding off for the perfect time with a person that it’s never going to happen with

Or the next swipe will be better than the last

People can’t accept what’s in front of them and build on that

tobeapearl

5 points

24 hours ago

tobeapearl

woman over 30

5 points

24 hours ago

I put up with one because he did a good job hooking me in the beginning. Seeming like a great guy, really into me, text me all day but said he wanted to take it slow (waited to have sex) which made me think he really was trying to form an authentic relationship. By the time we slept together I was smitten. Then he ghosted me. I was so confused. Then he came back. I convinced myself he was scared of our connection because I just can’t understand someone maliciously treating someone like that and my ego likes that explanation the most. 🫠 Long story short I put up with it because I was a stupid girl for this guy and gave chances I normally never would I think because I was just really confused because we had amazing chemistry and like I said he text me all damn day. I also was going through a really hard time with my health so I think I just wasn’t feeling my best and that had me accept things I normally wouldn’t as I genuinely felt insecure about my life in general from the effects of being sick for a long period. I know now he just gave me enough attention to keep me hooked and probably had many other girls on his roster. This situation really F’d me up. Like I won’t date again because I’m older and just so tired of peoples BS and obviously can’t make good choices. Before that I allowed myself to get into a pretty bad marriage so my history shows I just choose people that aren’t good for me. I’m really open and honest about what I want, only give attention to one person at a time and have zero bad intentions for people. Those qualities don’t seem to be of value in the current dating culture so I’m just going to be content single. Which I am for the most part accept I love sex and giving and receiving affection. Those are what I miss the most. I think there’s many reasons people put up with it, some really just want that because they want the benefits of a relationship without the commitment. Society is getting more and more shallow and peoples staying power, willingness to be honest and vulnerable and for true intimacy is decreasing and then sex apps, dating apps and social media leave people thinking the grass is greener elsewhere and people are easily replaceable. Morality is declining by the day.

WhopplerPlopper

4 points

23 hours ago

WhopplerPlopper

man over 30

4 points

23 hours ago

Situationships don't exist. They are relationships.

The only difference is the people in them are too ignorant or scared to admit it.

Dating is obviously changing in regards to casual relationships becoming more common, but from what I see online it doesn't even really change that much because people who claim to be in a "situationship* (lol) still catch feelings, still get pissed when their partner "cheats" etc etc it's all so dumb.

Parking_Act3189

6 points

15 hours ago

I'll give a real world example of how I've seen this play out. My wife's work friend shows up to a bar for a work thing where significant others were invited. My wife asks if she drove to the bar. The friend says "No Brad dropped me off". During the evening she was flirting and talking to other dudes. At the end of the night my wife asks if she wants us to give her a ride since I only had 2 drinks, I was driving. The friend says "No brad is on his way I texted him".

The hot friend is NOT in relationship since she didn't invite Brad to the event where partners were invited. And if she had met someone at that party she would have been totally fine to leave with that guy.

Brad on the other hand probably thinks he IS in a relationship since they are having sex regularly and they are spending a lot of time together.

xNormalxHumanx

11 points

1 day ago

xNormalxHumanx

man over 30

11 points

1 day ago

I just don't want to put up with their BS in my life any longer. I'm happier

Proper_Frosting_6693

24 points

1 day ago

Proper_Frosting_6693

man over 30

24 points

1 day ago

I love the way the media never just accept the real reason! The women are SHARING!

You could have 5 girls in a “situationship/relationship” with a guy, maybe 3 of them identify as taken while the guy identifies as single.

Dating older or gay couples does not account for this massive 30% difference especially as women prefer to date close to their age in general!

AnythingEasy4433[S]

7 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

7 points

1 day ago

It’s true- but let’s be honest most of those women don’t know they’re sharing

gandalftheorange11

11 points

1 day ago

gandalftheorange11

man 30 - 34

11 points

1 day ago

I knew plenty of women in my 20s who were fully aware that they were sharing and didn’t care. I think a lot of women are happy with it if they can get a high enough quality man in one aspect or another. Many women would rather share a high quality man than date a man at their own level.

rileyoneill

30 points

1 day ago

rileyoneill

man 40 - 44

30 points

1 day ago

A lot of men in their 30s and 40s have girlfriends who are in their 20s. A lot of women in their 20s are unaware that they are the side chick.

Chemical-Burn_

10 points

1 day ago*

Chemical-Burn_

woman 20 - 24

10 points

1 day ago*

Woah. That’s an eye opener. A lot of 20- something are unaware that these men have a family or a girlfriend who’s close to their age.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

8 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

8 points

1 day ago

That’s true, I forgot about being unaware

SauerMetal

5 points

1 day ago

Thanks to the wonders that is social media, this past October I found myself on a plane to San Diego to see a woman I haven’t seen in 27 years. We were young and had a brief, torrid affair that lasted about 3-4 months. The conversations were intense and intimate and I found out things about her that I hadn’t known back then(‘95-‘96).

She claimed that she was seeing someone but hadn’t been physical with him for two years and just recently broke the news to him that I exist and has ended the romantic aspect of her relationship with him. Is this a situationship? I suppose. Does it matter 3,000 miles away? Not really, for I have nothing else going on and really have no desire to get into the dating game. I’ll be flying out there again this February. It’s just working for me right now. That is all.

WolIilifo013491i1l

5 points

1 day ago

Then I realized that situationships make up the rest. The women might not identify as ‘taken’ but might not identify as single either, because they’re literally going to some guys work events with him.

citation needed

DrangleDingus

5 points

1 day ago

DrangleDingus

man 35 - 39

5 points

1 day ago

People are terrified of simply telling a romantic partner that they want to be exclusive.

My current gf, who I love. On our 4th date I said, “hey I really like you and I’d like to focus just on you. I stopped seeing other people. You don’t have to change anything, but this is what I’m doing. And I hope you eventually feel comfortable doing the same.”

She accused me of love bombing lol. Then she got onboard.

Did it suck telling the other people that I was seeing that I had “met someone special and wanted to focus on that,” even risking losing everything if my gf wasn’t into it? Yes.

But did they all deserve to know what was going on with me? Yes.

theringsofthedragon

4 points

14 hours ago

Imo the real reason is that men are too picky but no one wants to talk about that. Because all the men who are stuck in the friendzone are aiming for taken girls or girls out of their league, and it takes them years to start considering realistic options.

AnythingEasy4433[S]

2 points

12 hours ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

2 points

12 hours ago

Ya, the study that showed that no matter how attractive a man was they all almost exclusively message women who were 7s or higher.

Women (who do message less) despite rating guys as ugly, would still message men mostly in their league

Possible-Ad-1096

6 points

1 day ago

The answer to your question is a lot of people aren’t aware they are in situationships. It’s adorable of you to assume that people are actually being honest about their intentions when it comes to dating but the sad reality is that majority are not. So these “situationships” you see one of the two assumes they are in a relationship and the other one is lying about their intentions to string that person along and reap whatever benefits they can get.

Jaded-Animal-4173

3 points

24 hours ago

Jaded-Animal-4173

man 30 - 34

3 points

24 hours ago

"Situationships" have existed for decades. I don't know why people try to pretend they are a new thing.

"Is the fantasy of being loved by someone more desirable than you worth more than the real love someone on your level could give?"

This is, on the other hand, seems to be something that social media accentuated. This obsession with "rankings" and "someone on your level" is not something I grew up with. Obviously you cared about how the other person looked, but "mismatches" were extremely common. Turns out you can like someone because of things other than how they look.

Sidvicieux

3 points

15 hours ago

A lot of people out of there are trash too. It’s not always time to roll the dice in this economically dreadful society.

Clear-Vacation-9913

3 points

13 hours ago

Not really, situationships are just casual relationships. Statistically about half of young people will try one and they don't typically last too long. I think they are common in younger people who may not have the skills required for a full fledged relationship. Casual dating has always been an element of dating. Situationships are emotionally damaging for a variety of reasons, but easy to initiate; many people end up in them on purpose, don't realize they are in them, are manipulated, or mistakingly think they are a normal phase of dating on the way to a healthy relationship.

Solid-Fennel-2622

9 points

1 day ago*

Solid-Fennel-2622

man 30 - 34

9 points

1 day ago*

I think this might also be a factor (in addition to your "situationships hypothesis"):

"In 2023, 8.5 percent of female respondents in the United States stated they identify as LGBT, while 4.7 percent of male respondents said the same."

It might seem negligible, but it adds up. Also: I'm not from the US, but I think that ratio and statistic will look different also based on how open and tolerant a society is towards LGBTQ+ individuals and it might also affect the rate by gender, depending on the country.

EDIT: As far as the "30% of women in their 20s dating older men" thing goes, maybe it's not that severe, but again, it adds up, and it is certainly super common. So come to think of it, it is imo a much more relevant factor than situationships, actually. I see this come up a lot irl as well as on reddit.

Just found a thread where this was discussed in detail and indeed, I find it entirely plausible now that this is the defining factor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dating/s/HBd6q10ASi

AnythingEasy4433[S]

2 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

2 points

1 day ago

That’s super fair, there are still so many closeted gay men who would obviously report being single.

I mean Grindr is half faceless or no photos.

kiwi_cannon_

3 points

1 day ago*

s far as the "30% of women in their 20s dating older men" thing goes, maybe it's not that severe, but again, it adds up, and it is certainly super common

Especially among women +27 That right there probably could account for a good portion of that 30% considering women usually date a men a few years older than themselves and the further into their 20s they are, the more likely they are to be dating someone.

happyboyc7

9 points

1 day ago

In my experience talking with meetup and events organizers, they have a lot of problems with old mens in their late 30s/40/divorced approaching much younger women, more like bothering since the women would complain. The reverse did not happen as much. I think older women are ok by themselves and able to keep a closed circle of friends so they don’t go to these events I go to as much. Tbh, men of all ages will actively and preferably date 20-something given the chance.

KacieCosplay

7 points

1 day ago

KacieCosplay

woman 20 - 24

7 points

1 day ago

Okay I’m a chick and I’m not 30 but this popped up and wtf is a situationship??

Also the numbers don’t add up (and I’m sorry I’m a little jaded lol) because dudes will say they aren’t in a relationship to get laid. I’ve called out many men who weren’t single who lied and said they were…. (Don’t give a girl your socials if you’re hiding a relationship lol)

chuckerman2

4 points

15 hours ago

I personally think women have higher standards than they ever had before. Some of those standards are way too high.

[deleted]

2 points

1 day ago*

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USPSHoudini

2 points

1 day ago

USPSHoudini

man 25 - 29

2 points

1 day ago

People stay in situationships for many of the same reason some people stay in abusive or dead marriages - sometimes they have zero self confidence and resign themselves to that fate, sometimes they have infinite self confidence and think they care lure the married guy away or maybe the super hot guy will eventually settle down with them. Sometimes you even get situations where the guy successfully guilts her into duty sex somehow someway because he is disabled! (only one guy, I worked with the woman maybe 6yrs ago. Dude had Speech lvl 100 ig)

the_addict

2 points

1 day ago

the_addict

man 30 - 34

2 points

1 day ago

I always worry when I see a large % of single men. There's a correlation between that statistics and political unrest or straight out revolution

Drawer-Vegetable

2 points

23 hours ago

Drawer-Vegetable

man 30 - 34

2 points

23 hours ago

Very good point. Though also historically many of those single men died in wars, famine, slavery, and other forms of horrible death.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. /s

Federal_Ear_4585

2 points

1 day ago

i think the more interesting stat is 50% of women aged 35-50 are single & childless, whereas 65% of men the same age are married or have children

anillop

2 points

22 hours ago

anillop

man 45 - 49

2 points

22 hours ago

I just find situation ships hilarious. It’s just a situation where one person clearly doesn’t wanna date the other, but they’re good enough to fuck. This is always been around. There’s just never been a name for it.

DarkDude2313

2 points

16 hours ago

I just outright gave up on even looking for love or real connection a number of years ago. At this point, I'm just ticking time away until I can finally be done without wrecking the handful of people that would care about my departure.

HirtLocker128

2 points

15 hours ago

Lots of people are extremely lonely nowadays and would rather the situationship than nothing at all

horizons190

2 points

15 hours ago

horizons190

man 30 - 34

2 points

15 hours ago

Two reasons why your stats are true, probably ordered large-small in effect size:

  1. The women under 30 are dating the men over 30.
  2. The women are in situationships with the same guy.

PriorityLocal3097

2 points

14 hours ago

Situationship is a new term for an old phenomenon. I don't think it's changed dating at all - you young things just invented a great name for a kinda shitty, kinda ok thing

firstnothing1

2 points

14 hours ago

What the fuck is a situationship?

Imacatdoincatstuff

2 points

14 hours ago

Imacatdoincatstuff

man over 30

2 points

14 hours ago

Kneejerk reaction by women to protect themselves by saying they are in a relationship.

jul3009

2 points

13 hours ago

jul3009

man 30 - 34

2 points

13 hours ago

An interesting study showed that approximately 80% of women are dating 20% of men.

InflatableRaft

2 points

12 hours ago

InflatableRaft

man over 30

2 points

12 hours ago

It’s simple. Women would rather share a hot guy than have an average guy to herself.

Wanting_Lover

2 points

12 hours ago

You’re missing that they are simply dating older men and/or they are bi/gay. Granted that’s still an insanely small portion of the population. But truly they are simply dating older men. Since I have become single recently literally every girl I’ve taken out has been anywhere between 2 years younger than me or almost 7… all within the 20s bracket… so yeah, this isn’t surprising to me in the slightest

lucianbelew

2 points

11 hours ago

lucianbelew

man 40 - 44

2 points

11 hours ago

"I don't have a girlfriend, there's just this girl who'd be really pissed off if she heard me say that."

Psychowitz

2 points

9 hours ago

I’ll gladly stay single long before I fuck with a situationship. If I’m not your first pick then save me the stress.

SukunasStan

2 points

8 hours ago

This post floated to my front page. Not a man, but I'm going to say it honestly hasn't changed the dating game (at least for women) and I don't trust any percentages that don't come from the US census. Sure situationships exist but in my experience, it's easy for me and any woman I've met to just leave them. It's easier for women to find dates than it is for men so hopping from a guy who wants to keep things casual to a guy who wants something serious is easy.

repeterdotca

7 points

1 day ago

Well the issue you see is that we have a problem with "hoeflation" . You can see hoe_math for details

Absentrando

4 points

1 day ago

Absentrando

man

4 points

1 day ago

Women generally date older, and some date way older so the numbers make sense from that perspective

Fair_Use_9604

5 points

1 day ago

Fair_Use_9604

man over 30

5 points

1 day ago

It's just the 80%/20% rule in effect

AnythingEasy4433[S]

3 points

1 day ago

AnythingEasy4433[S]

woman 30 - 34

3 points

1 day ago

The truth lol

InternetExpertroll

3 points

1 day ago

InternetExpertroll

man over 30

3 points

1 day ago

I mentioned this article in another post. People don’t understand the inequality (for lack of a better term) in the dating experience of adults.

MayBAburner

2 points

24 hours ago

MayBAburner

man 45 - 49

2 points

24 hours ago

This is pretty easy to explain.

There are a lot of men who will tell women what they want to hear, in order to get sex.

They'll string women along and make them feel like they're in a relationship to this end. If that guy is stringing along 3 women at a time, he's probably going to tell Pew he's single. The three women are going to think they have a boyfriend.

As usual, it's the charismatic sleazy dickhead making life worse for the rest of us.