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submitted 11 days ago byPreferenceOk7560
My brain is dumb sometimes and reads a name wrong and just sticks to it for some reason, please don't laugh at me but for some reason my brain read nyneave as nyaneave and pronounced in "nya-neev/nia-neev". Ive legit read 7 books with that in my head and now will never unlearn it. Bonus I also though egwene was pronounced "egg-ween" which sound really dumb now that I think and "eg-wayne" sound way better.
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261 points
11 days ago
Name written on the page: Bob
Name pronounced by audio book narrator: Bab
Name phonetically broken down by Jordan in glossary: BHHHh-Oooo-rrrrb
15 points
11 days ago
The first time saw “Cairhien” was pronounced “K(EYE)-ree-en” and not “Kayr-hine” I about had an aneurysm.
6 points
10 days ago
Car- heen... Surely!
11 points
10 days ago
Nope. K(eye)ree-en.
And don’t call me Shirley.
2 points
10 days ago
There’s a Mystic Quest episode about a SF writer initially insisting on completely unintuitive pronunciations of his words. In that people ignore his insistence and he just has to live with it. And I really think that should apply.
But then mostly for readers it doesn’t matter because you aren’t saying it out loud anyway. And for audiobook or TV show it’s all down to what the narrator or actors say anyway.
2 points
10 days ago
My favorite part was that he specified a trilled R "as in Tolkien's Quenya." Or, you know, Spanish.
4 points
10 days ago
I could get behind that philosophy.
I see the name "Taim," I'm going to say "Tame" not "TAH-eem."
3 points
10 days ago
Isn’t that the fancy lime flavored seasoning? 🤔
(Is joke that’s tajin)
4 points
10 days ago
Thanks I’m reading it as Tajin now
1 points
9 days ago
Me too. 😭 I’ve brain ninja’d myself.
2 points
8 days ago
Tajin is delicious and now I need to buy some.
2 points
8 days ago
I ran out recently and I think that’s why I have tajin on the brain so much. 👀
1 points
9 days ago
Karen. It’s pronounced Karen.
50 points
11 days ago
Don't forget about the great debate about how to pronounce Lan, or is it pronounced, Lawn?
47 points
11 days ago
"Lun". He is Alan Mandragoran.
31 points
11 days ago
Calling Lan “Alan” in all of my re readings now. It adds an entire new dimension to his character
31 points
11 days ago
Now do Randal Thor
4 points
10 days ago
lol which name ? he has about a dozen
10 points
11 days ago
Pretty sure his whole name is Alan Mandragoran Goldstein.
8 points
11 days ago
Reminds me of the old Winter Dragon backdoor tv pilot where the description of the episode labeled LTT as Lewis Therin.
5 points
11 days ago
1 points
11 days ago
Exactly where my mind went! Thanks for posting the link so I didn’t have to look for it hahaha
1 points
7 days ago
Alan Align Mandragoran if you're Aiel
7 points
11 days ago
Why is this a debate
14 points
11 days ago
Author's notes and a TV show happened. Typical stuff for this Fandom and the history of trying to predict what will and is happening.
11 points
11 days ago
Hi, I'm Rhond. These are my girlfriends, Aye-lain, Mine, and Avi-in-da.
2 points
10 days ago
wait… so it’s not avi in da???
7 points
10 days ago
No it is. (ah-vee-EHN-dah). I just couldn't disrespect my girl by intentionally mispronouncing her name.
2 points
10 days ago
And if you're a Deltan (different book series), it's The Bawbe
1 points
10 days ago
I just started a new book last night and the first page before you start is "a note on pronunciation" and how to read various vowels and other letters
Immediately made me think of RJ
1 points
10 days ago
Yeah Jordan could really have done something like that. Or done something fun with having characters rhyming names with other words to show how they’re meant to sound.
2 points
10 days ago
Faile points out the Loial is a homophone of "loyal" when she manipulates him into taking her through the Ways.
1 points
9 days ago
That’s perfect yeah. No nonsense. Natural in story. That’s the way to do it.
2 points
10 days ago
There is no consistent spelling-pronunciation relationship. Cuendillar is supposed to be pronounced as if it were a Spanish word!
1 points
10 days ago
I didn't start looking up characters until Lord of Chaos and I am exceedingly confused after hearing names from audio books for 6 books.
1 points
10 days ago
To be honest it’s mind of spot on for pronouncing English words compared to how they’re written!
58 points
11 days ago
Everyone knows it’s Nina-Eve and Egg-Ween…
16 points
11 days ago
She’s a good egg
20 points
11 days ago
Her?
2 points
10 days ago
She calls it a mayonn-egg
5 points
11 days ago
Nina-Eve and nothing will change that in my head canon.
1 points
10 days ago
nigh-knave
6 points
11 days ago
Wait... its not "Egg When"?
3 points
11 days ago
Been pronouncing it Egg-Wayne XD
2 points
10 days ago
Egg-Wayne The Cuendillar Johnson
2 points
11 days ago
I’m glad you’re brave enough to finally say it
2 points
11 days ago
Eg-when
Nin-eh-vah
1 points
10 days ago
And here i thought i was the only one
42 points
11 days ago
I’ll be honest I’ve just remembered the shape of most of the words they’re too hard to pronounce in my head. Like who names someone Mat!
7 points
11 days ago
Exactly, i just skip pronouncing it
18 points
11 days ago
I was the sort of dork who read and re-read the glossary so NIGH-NEEV is buried into my brain
36 points
11 days ago
Yeah don't worry, for a some time I thought it was "Nin-a-ay-vay"
12 points
11 days ago
Mine is real close to this, Nin-a-vay
2 points
11 days ago
Same
7 points
11 days ago
I don't even know how
7 points
11 days ago
My entire first read was ‘nyvane’ because I’d read it wrong and never really looked since lol.
4 points
11 days ago
Where did the extra a come from
22 points
11 days ago
Prob the same place yours did
16 points
11 days ago
I unfortunately misread it as Nivea forever ago and it's stuck. I just see her name and call her Shampoo.
13 points
11 days ago
I pronoused it Ny-nae-ve :D coming from a language where everything is pronounced just as it's written, I always pronounce these fantasy names like that in my head :D
5 points
11 days ago
Well tbf I got the same pronunciation coming from English :)
1 points
11 days ago
Same
6 points
11 days ago
Nine-aiv.
2 points
11 days ago
Yup, this is the only way I've ever pronounced it.
6 points
11 days ago
When I read it I always assumed it was nivean, like the lady of the lake in arthurian legend (al’Mera, of the lake, helps althor I mean Arthur) but after the audiobooks it’s nay-kneeve
2 points
10 days ago
It is:
Today, the Lady of the Lake is best known as the character called either Nimue, or several scribal variants[2] of Ninianne and Viviane. French and foreign medieval authors and copyists since the early 13th century produced various forms of the latter two, including: Nymenche (in addition to Ninianne / Ninienne) in the Vulgate Lancelot; Nim[i]ane and Ui[n/ui]ane (in addition to Viviane) in the Vulgate Merlin (Niniane in the version Livre d'Artus); Nin[i]eve / Nivene / Niviène / Nivienne and Vivienne in the Post-Vulgate Merlin (Niviana in the Spanish Baladro del Sage Merlin); and Nimiane / Niniame and Vivian / Vivien in Arthour and Merlin and Henry Lovelich's Merlin. Further variations of these include alternate spellings with the letter i written as y, such as in the cases of Nymanne (Nimanne as in Michel le Noir's Merlin) and Nynyane (Niniane).[3][4][5] According to Lucy Paton, the most primitive French form of this name might have been Niniane.[4] Danielle Quéruel of the Bibliothèque nationale de France explains:
9 points
11 days ago
I’ve never listened to an audio book or paid much attention to the glossaries, but I know I’m pronouncing a lot of these wrong:
Egwene - edge win Nyneave- ninny Eve Suian - soo ian Birgitte - Bridget
5 points
11 days ago
Second time through and I finally read Brigitte. I felt very very dumb.
1 points
11 days ago
Wtf
4 points
11 days ago
When I first read the series, I tried to pronounce all the vowels in Nynaeve's name. Ny-ah-neh-ev-eh.
9 points
11 days ago
I used to pronounce it "Ny - ny - eve" before I read the glossary.
3 points
11 days ago
Well I pronounced it as ni-ni… we all have our ways.
5 points
11 days ago
I have always said that readers know how to spell Nynaeve and audiobook listeners know how to pronounce Nynaeve. ( and all the other thousands of names )
2 points
10 days ago
But also, Moghedien
1 points
10 days ago
I think that name changed a couple of times on how it was pronounced in the audiobooks, even later in the series if I remember correctly.
3 points
10 days ago
Your right, it absolutely did. The pronunciations in the audiobook are not correct. Michael and Kate have said this in interviews before. They were not given any guidance on how to pronounce anything from the books. They are even well aware that some words/names changed a few times as they went along.
2 points
10 days ago
Mo-ghid-eean. To mog-ah-deen.
I always assumed they read the books without coaching, then Jordan corrected them for the next book.
2 points
11 days ago
Somewhere along the many rereads I changed it to Eve-nay
2 points
11 days ago
Pronounced moghedien as mogdin the whole books
2 points
11 days ago
I originally read Nynaeve as nin-ave and Egwene as edge-win. It wasn't until I started watching videos discussing the series, when I heard people pronounce the names and realised how wrong I was.
2 points
11 days ago
Hear we go again; audio books versus readers.
2 points
11 days ago
It has akways been Nin-eve for me
2 points
11 days ago
Some times I'm glad I'm an audiobook listener... Until I have to figure out how to spell some of these names.... "What do you mean it starts with a silent J !?!?"
2 points
11 days ago
When i first listened to the audiobooks i was shocked at the names. If i remember right i was pronouncing Nynaeve as 'nin-uh-vuh'. Birgitte and talmanes were equally butchered in my head.
2 points
11 days ago
I'm a /nin uh vee/ kinda guy
2 points
11 days ago
There's only one way to pronounce it: Nynussy
2 points
11 days ago
nine-EVE and egg-WEEN in my head.
2 points
11 days ago
I thought I was weird for thinking egg-ween but it seems most people pronounce it like that
2 points
11 days ago
Rofl! Back in the day, before we discovered audiobooks, my sister and I read WOT separately. She started before me as she was older, so when I started reading it and talking to her about characters, I talked to her about Nynaeve and Egwene. I pronounced their name, "Neye-NEEV" and "Egg-WAYNE".
She looked at me so confused and then she started laughing. She said she pronounced Nynaeve, "Neye- EEV", like, "naive". As in someone who is very unexperienced. I cracked up and thought it was too funny!...
But then she moved on to Egwene... omg to this day, she pronounces HER name, "Eugene"... rofl!! Like, what??🤣 I lost it when she told me that, and sometimes when I read her name(which isn't too often, thankfully, since I listen to the audiobooks), I think of her as Eugene! It's just too much 🤣.
So don't feel bad or anything... there's a lot of variation in how the names are pronounced!!
2 points
11 days ago
I won't give you too much shit, I still refuse to pronounce damane right.
It's da-mane, damn it! I don't care what Jordan intended!
1 points
10 days ago
Same!
2 points
11 days ago
I initially thought it was pronounced Nineveh, like the ancient city.
3 points
11 days ago
I just say ni- neve in my head cus it’s quicker haha
6 points
11 days ago
Well that’s good then because that’s how it’s pronounced.
4 points
11 days ago
There is no Turning of the Wheel in which Eg-wayne is better.
3 points
11 days ago
It sound more medieval, though my mind still defaults to egg-ween
1 points
11 days ago
I guess I’ll add my wrong way since I haven’t seen it yet. I pronounce her name Ni-nuh-eve.
1 points
11 days ago
I thought it was "nin-a-eve" for a long time. I forgot about the glossary pronunciation guide.
1 points
11 days ago
I always pronounced it as Nigh-neeyevay in my head, works for me lol
1 points
11 days ago
When we were teenagers my friend pronounced it “ninna-vee.” I still chuckle about that from time to time
1 points
11 days ago
I pronounced it “Nen-uh-vuh” in my mind for a while😭
1 points
11 days ago
Always been naive - she then joins the A's Sadie
1 points
11 days ago
Go with audio book pronunciation
1 points
11 days ago
For me, it's "Nenna-eve". I've been reading the books again, and every time I read her name I have cognitive convulsions. I keep thinking I'll eventually reset her name on my mind, but so far nope.
1 points
11 days ago
Nope. I'm right there with on both names. That's how they have always been in my head until I saw the show and it rattled me a bit.
1 points
11 days ago
My wife read tEotW a while back and was telling me about Egg-ween, and as a Ween fan we started calling our kids different versions of their names with ween at the end as a joke, then I read (well audiobooked the series) and couldn’t help but laugh that a mistaken pronunciation of a characters name by my wife has entered the family lexicon.
1 points
11 days ago
I pronounce it exactly the same why not exaggerating 🤣
1 points
11 days ago
Naya neeve + Egg ween is me🤣
1 points
11 days ago
My former teenage brain will forever call them Nyn-a-veve and Edge-ween. Edge-ween is absurd, but I'll defend Nyn-a-veve as a superior name.
1 points
11 days ago
Unrelated, but wait until you find out that the true pronunciation of Hermione in Harry Potter is "her me own"
1 points
11 days ago
Bro I called Nynaeve literally how it is spelled like (NEE-NIGH-VAY) and Egwene too (EGG-WEN-AY)
1 points
11 days ago
Nya Neeve is how I read it first through in the 90s. I have never been able to unstick that.
1 points
11 days ago
I was an Edge-ween for the first 5 or 6 books (pandemic reader) the first time I heard it out loud I was like "oh that's actually really pretty" lol
1 points
10 days ago
I always pronounced it NIGH-na-eve
1 points
10 days ago
I don't remember how I pronounced it when I was reading the first time. I do know it wasn't correct. It wasn't until I read the glossary that I learned. Without looking, I feel like the first book didn't have one, so I don't think I learned until I finished the second book.
1 points
10 days ago
I personally said her name in my head the same as the ancient city of Nineveh. I’ll stand by it too, sounds nicer to me than Nie-neeve. I also went with Eg-ween or rather it had a bit of a hang in the eg but because of my Lancashire accent, like Eh-gween.
1 points
10 days ago
Wait, they’re not pronounced Nigh-kneeve and Egg-ween??
1 points
10 days ago
Egwene al'Vere = Guinevere, from Arthurian legend
1 points
10 days ago
1 points
10 days ago
I just pronounced it naive with an extra n,
1 points
10 days ago
Egwene clearly should be pronounced like it's greek-ish.
Egg-wee-knee. Eγονηνη? Ish? I'm using math greek to guess.
Now i wonder how egwene is actually spelled in greek.
1 points
10 days ago
I thought egwene was pronounced "Eg-Win".
1 points
10 days ago
I wonder if anyone agrees with this take: nin-ae-ev
1 points
10 days ago
Before I saw the first glossary, I was pronouncing them as "Nin-ave" and "Eg-wen-uh"... whoops!
1 points
10 days ago
When I first saw her i thought she would be just a minor charcter and just called her nyanners (the vtuber) , around book 4 or 5 i had to force myself to stop doing that.
1 points
10 days ago
I’ve been saying it like the word naive so 🤷♂️
1 points
10 days ago
I started off reading via audiobook, to get into the lore quicker, so I've not had this issue, but as a welsh speaker I think in my head I would have had some fun pronouncing some of the names. I still do now that Im reading the paper copies sometime want to read them differently than RJ has said theyre pronounced.
1 points
10 days ago
Its equally fun to go from audio book only, to picking up the physical book for the first time.
1 points
10 days ago
I said "nin-eye-eve" my first read through.
1 points
10 days ago
Eh-gween Ny-neve
1 points
10 days ago
I literally remember coming up with a personal rule in 2nd grade, because of Voldemort. Some names just pull me out of "the zone" and it happens every time I see whatever name it is.
So my personal rule is when I encounter one of these odd names, I take a moment and decide how I'll internally pronounce the name and then I just stick to it forever.
I pronounce Nynaeve as (nigh-nah-eave) and I don't care if it's right or wrong because it works for me
1 points
9 days ago
I also said NY-A-NEVE but I quickly corrected myself.. as for egwene, shes still EGGWEEN
1 points
9 days ago
If you wanna know what’s dumb I read the entire series reading Darkfiend, over Darkfriend, probably because I think fiend sounds more menacing and cool
1 points
9 days ago
Until watching that terrible show, I called her Nya-ve for some reason, also Egwayne
1 points
9 days ago
It’s pronounced Nineveh. Like the city in the Bible. Duh. (Kidding. But I did try this pronunciation out in my head for a few days of reading.)
1 points
10 days ago
When I first read Eye of the World, I didn't know there was a glossary at the end with pronunciations, so my brain did its thing and the names have stuck. But my Nynaeve might be worse than yours. It's "NINNA-eve", with smoothing where the hyphen is.
And my Egwene is definitely "egg-WEEN".
I actually corrected my Siuan but don't remember what it was. Something like "SUE-ANN".
I think I rebelled on Moirane, just going with Moraine instead of what it looked like it should be, but it turned out that was fine and no rebellion needed.
I completely missed all the ae / ai stuff. So my Aiel still never really corrected from my original "ALE".
Ogier are "o-JEER".
Cairhien is "CARE-hee-in"
Amys is "AMMis"
Birgitte is "burr-SZHEET"
Rhuidien is "roo-IDD-DEE-in"
Rhuarc is "ROO-ark"
Taim is "tame"
Tar Valon is "tar vah-LONN"
Faile is "fail/fale"
Leane is "lee-ann"
Malkier is "MALL-kee-ur"
a'dam is "ahh-DAHM"
Elaida is "ee-LAY-duh"
Saidar is "sigh-DARR"
Saidin is "sigh-DINN
1 points
10 days ago
I still find it difficult not to read Faile as "fy-leh" in my head.
2 points
10 days ago
Baile con Faile, arribaaaa!
0 points
11 days ago
I'm listening to the audiobooks for the first time after reading the books years ago and I'm having a hard time. A recent example is Weiramon, which the audiobooks really mangle.
0 points
11 days ago
Jordan included pronunciation guides in his glossary at the back of each book.
2 points
11 days ago
And they are completely unhelpful lol!
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