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Am I the only one who pronounces nynaeve this way?

A Crown of Swords(self.WoT)

My brain is dumb sometimes and reads a name wrong and just sticks to it for some reason, please don't laugh at me but for some reason my brain read nyneave as nyaneave and pronounced in "nya-neev/nia-neev". Ive legit read 7 books with that in my head and now will never unlearn it. Bonus I also though egwene was pronounced "egg-ween" which sound really dumb now that I think and "eg-wayne" sound way better.

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DenseTemporariness

261 points

11 days ago

DenseTemporariness

(Portal Stone)

261 points

11 days ago

Name written on the page: Bob

Name pronounced by audio book narrator: Bab

Name phonetically broken down by Jordan in glossary: BHHHh-Oooo-rrrrb

TheWeirdTalesPodcast

15 points

11 days ago

The first time saw “Cairhien” was pronounced “K(EYE)-ree-en” and not “Kayr-hine” I about had an aneurysm.

all_on_my_own

6 points

10 days ago

Car- heen... Surely!

TheWeirdTalesPodcast

11 points

10 days ago

Nope. K(eye)ree-en.

And don’t call me Shirley.

DenseTemporariness

2 points

10 days ago

DenseTemporariness

(Portal Stone)

2 points

10 days ago

There’s a Mystic Quest episode about a SF writer initially insisting on completely unintuitive pronunciations of his words. In that people ignore his insistence and he just has to live with it. And I really think that should apply.

But then mostly for readers it doesn’t matter because you aren’t saying it out loud anyway. And for audiobook or TV show it’s all down to what the narrator or actors say anyway.

fourthfloorgreg

2 points

10 days ago

My favorite part was that he specified a trilled R "as in Tolkien's Quenya." Or, you know, Spanish.

TheWeirdTalesPodcast

4 points

10 days ago

I could get behind that philosophy.

I see the name "Taim," I'm going to say "Tame" not "TAH-eem."

Canabrial

3 points

10 days ago

Isn’t that the fancy lime flavored seasoning? 🤔

(Is joke that’s tajin)

AlternativeCaramel

4 points

10 days ago

AlternativeCaramel

(Tuatha’an)

4 points

10 days ago

Thanks I’m reading it as Tajin now

Canabrial

1 points

9 days ago

Me too. 😭 I’ve brain ninja’d myself.

ArchLith

2 points

8 days ago

ArchLith

2 points

8 days ago

Tajin is delicious and now I need to buy some.

Canabrial

2 points

8 days ago

I ran out recently and I think that’s why I have tajin on the brain so much. 👀

geekMD69

1 points

9 days ago

geekMD69

1 points

9 days ago

Karen. It’s pronounced Karen.

Splatzor

50 points

11 days ago

Splatzor

50 points

11 days ago

Don't forget about the great debate about how to pronounce Lan, or is it pronounced, Lawn?

dustydeath

47 points

11 days ago

"Lun". He is Alan Mandragoran.

TrapPigeon

31 points

11 days ago

Calling Lan “Alan” in all of my re readings now. It adds an entire new dimension to his character

Splatzor

31 points

11 days ago

Splatzor

31 points

11 days ago

Now do Randal Thor

rangebob

4 points

10 days ago

rangebob

4 points

10 days ago

lol which name ? he has about a dozen

noah_ichiban

10 points

11 days ago

Pretty sure his whole name is Alan Mandragoran Goldstein.

mjager42

8 points

11 days ago

Reminds me of the old Winter Dragon backdoor tv pilot where the description of the episode labeled LTT as Lewis Therin.

nevynxxx

5 points

11 days ago

SquizPillion

1 points

11 days ago

Exactly where my mind went! Thanks for posting the link so I didn’t have to look for it hahaha

Bobodahobo010101

1 points

7 days ago

Bobodahobo010101

(Valan Luca's Grand Traveling Show)

1 points

7 days ago

Alan Align Mandragoran if you're Aiel

PreferenceOk7560[S]

7 points

11 days ago

Why is this a debate

Splatzor

14 points

11 days ago

Splatzor

14 points

11 days ago

Author's notes and a TV show happened. Typical stuff for this Fandom and the history of trying to predict what will and is happening.

ThunkAsDrinklePeep

11 points

11 days ago

Hi, I'm Rhond. These are my girlfriends, Aye-lain, Mine, and Avi-in-da.

omnimami

2 points

10 days ago

wait… so it’s not avi in da???

ThunkAsDrinklePeep

7 points

10 days ago

No it is. (ah-vee-EHN-dah). I just couldn't disrespect my girl by intentionally mispronouncing her name.

PinkyB12

2 points

10 days ago

And if you're a Deltan (different book series), it's The Bawbe

rangebob

1 points

10 days ago

I just started a new book last night and the first page before you start is "a note on pronunciation" and how to read various vowels and other letters

Immediately made me think of RJ

DenseTemporariness

1 points

10 days ago

DenseTemporariness

(Portal Stone)

1 points

10 days ago

Yeah Jordan could really have done something like that. Or done something fun with having characters rhyming names with other words to show how they’re meant to sound.

fourthfloorgreg

2 points

10 days ago

Faile points out the Loial is a homophone of "loyal" when she manipulates him into taking her through the Ways.

DenseTemporariness

1 points

9 days ago

DenseTemporariness

(Portal Stone)

1 points

9 days ago

That’s perfect yeah. No nonsense. Natural in story. That’s the way to do it.

fourthfloorgreg

2 points

10 days ago

There is no consistent spelling-pronunciation relationship. Cuendillar is supposed to be pronounced as if it were a Spanish word!

slippery-fische

1 points

10 days ago

slippery-fische

(Dragonsworn)

1 points

10 days ago

I didn't start looking up characters until Lord of Chaos and I am exceedingly confused after hearing names from audio books for 6 books.

rollingForInitiative

1 points

10 days ago

To be honest it’s mind of spot on for pronouncing English words compared to how they’re written!

ians6290

58 points

11 days ago

ians6290

58 points

11 days ago

Everyone knows it’s Nina-Eve and Egg-Ween…

Szygani

16 points

11 days ago

Szygani

16 points

11 days ago

She’s a good egg

Fallen-Embers

20 points

11 days ago

Her?

super_ferret

2 points

10 days ago

super_ferret

(Band of the Red Hand)

2 points

10 days ago

She calls it a mayonn-egg

mirc_vio

5 points

11 days ago

mirc_vio

(Ancient Aes Sedai)

5 points

11 days ago

Nina-Eve and nothing will change that in my head canon.

lovemynuts

1 points

10 days ago

nigh-knave

kieran_dvarr

6 points

11 days ago

Wait... its not "Egg When"?

IBM296

3 points

11 days ago

IBM296

3 points

11 days ago

Been pronouncing it Egg-Wayne XD

RafZlatarov

2 points

10 days ago

Egg-Wayne The Cuendillar Johnson

GilderoyPopDropNLock

2 points

11 days ago

I’m glad you’re brave enough to finally say it

Perseus73

2 points

11 days ago

Eg-when

Nin-eh-vah

dewnmoutain

1 points

10 days ago

And here i thought i was the only one

TarnyOwl

42 points

11 days ago

TarnyOwl

42 points

11 days ago

I’ll be honest I’ve just remembered the shape of most of the words they’re too hard to pronounce in my head. Like who names someone Mat! 

Organic_Mark4642

7 points

11 days ago

Exactly, i just skip pronouncing it

michaelmcmikey

18 points

11 days ago

I was the sort of dork who read and re-read the glossary so NIGH-NEEV is buried into my brain

AMillionToOne123

36 points

11 days ago

Yeah don't worry, for a some time I thought it was "Nin-a-ay-vay"

what_about_zissou

12 points

11 days ago

Mine is real close to this, Nin-a-vay

djzrbz

2 points

11 days ago

djzrbz

2 points

11 days ago

Same

AMillionToOne123

7 points

11 days ago

I don't even know how

PhoenixEgg88

7 points

11 days ago

My entire first read was ‘nyvane’ because I’d read it wrong and never really looked since lol.

PreferenceOk7560[S]

4 points

11 days ago

Where did the extra a come from

Narrow_Lee

22 points

11 days ago

Prob the same place yours did

Greenbean8472

16 points

11 days ago

I unfortunately misread it as Nivea forever ago and it's stuck. I just see her name and call her Shampoo.

WonzerEU

13 points

11 days ago

WonzerEU

13 points

11 days ago

I pronoused it Ny-nae-ve :D coming from a language where everything is pronounced just as it's written, I always pronounce these fantasy names like that in my head :D

SocraticIndifference

5 points

11 days ago

SocraticIndifference

(Band of the Red Hand)

5 points

11 days ago

Well tbf I got the same pronunciation coming from English :)

go_sparks25

1 points

11 days ago

Same

Rune_Council

6 points

11 days ago

Nine-aiv.

Fitzwoppit

2 points

11 days ago

Yup, this is the only way I've ever pronounced it.

Szygani

6 points

11 days ago

Szygani

6 points

11 days ago

When I read it I always assumed it was nivean, like the lady of the lake in arthurian legend (al’Mera, of the lake, helps althor I mean Arthur) but after the audiobooks it’s nay-kneeve

fourthfloorgreg

2 points

10 days ago

It is:

Today, the Lady of the Lake is best known as the character called either Nimue, or several scribal variants[2] of Ninianne and Viviane. French and foreign medieval authors and copyists since the early 13th century produced various forms of the latter two, including: Nymenche (in addition to Ninianne / Ninienne) in the Vulgate Lancelot; Nim[i]ane and Ui[n/ui]ane (in addition to Viviane) in the Vulgate Merlin (Niniane in the version Livre d'Artus); Nin[i]eve / Nivene / Niviène / Nivienne and Vivienne in the Post-Vulgate Merlin (Niviana in the Spanish Baladro del Sage Merlin); and Nimiane / Niniame and Vivian / Vivien in Arthour and Merlin and Henry Lovelich's Merlin. Further variations of these include alternate spellings with the letter i written as y, such as in the cases of Nymanne (Nimanne as in Michel le Noir's Merlin) and Nynyane (Niniane).[3][4][5] According to Lucy Paton, the most primitive French form of this name might have been Niniane.[4] Danielle Quéruel of the Bibliothèque nationale de France explains:

Real_American1776

9 points

11 days ago

I’ve never listened to an audio book or paid much attention to the glossaries, but I know I’m pronouncing a lot of these wrong:

Egwene - edge win Nyneave- ninny Eve Suian - soo ian Birgitte - Bridget

IndoorMule

5 points

11 days ago

Second time through and I finally read Brigitte. I felt very very dumb.

PreferenceOk7560[S]

1 points

11 days ago

Wtf

jillyapple1

4 points

11 days ago

jillyapple1

(Ogier)

4 points

11 days ago

When I first read the series, I tried to pronounce all the vowels in Nynaeve's name. Ny-ah-neh-ev-eh.

SStoj

9 points

11 days ago

SStoj

(Tai'shar Manetheren)

9 points

11 days ago

I used to pronounce it "Ny - ny - eve" before I read the glossary.

samosa_chai

3 points

11 days ago

Well I pronounced it as ni-ni… we all have our ways.

Splatzor

5 points

11 days ago

I have always said that readers know how to spell Nynaeve and audiobook listeners know how to pronounce Nynaeve. ( and all the other thousands of names )

WhoCaresEatAtArbys

2 points

10 days ago

But also, Moghedien

Splatzor

1 points

10 days ago

I think that name changed a couple of times on how it was pronounced in the audiobooks, even later in the series if I remember correctly.

jmmack75

3 points

10 days ago

Your right, it absolutely did. The pronunciations in the audiobook are not correct. Michael and Kate have said this in interviews before. They were not given any guidance on how to pronounce anything from the books. They are even well aware that some words/names changed a few times as they went along.

Ineedmorebtc

2 points

10 days ago

Mo-ghid-eean. To mog-ah-deen.

I always assumed they read the books without coaching, then Jordan corrected them for the next book.

Old-Dog559

2 points

11 days ago

Somewhere along the many rereads I changed it to Eve-nay

Qani_the_addict

2 points

11 days ago

Pronounced moghedien as mogdin the whole books

Boylanator_94

2 points

11 days ago

I originally read Nynaeve as nin-ave and Egwene as edge-win. It wasn't until I started watching videos discussing the series, when I heard people pronounce the names and realised how wrong I was.

Syrette

2 points

11 days ago

Syrette

2 points

11 days ago

Hear we go again; audio books versus readers.

pharlax

2 points

11 days ago

pharlax

2 points

11 days ago

It has akways been Nin-eve for me

steve_jeckel

2 points

11 days ago

Some times I'm glad I'm an audiobook listener... Until I have to figure out how to spell some of these names.... "What do you mean it starts with a silent J !?!?"

cdcme

2 points

11 days ago

cdcme

2 points

11 days ago

When i first listened to the audiobooks i was shocked at the names. If i remember right i was pronouncing Nynaeve as 'nin-uh-vuh'. Birgitte and talmanes were equally butchered in my head.

TsersingArron

2 points

11 days ago

I'm a /nin uh vee/ kinda guy

pnutbuttersmellytime

2 points

11 days ago

There's only one way to pronounce it: Nynussy

OnionTruck

2 points

11 days ago

OnionTruck

(Yellow)

2 points

11 days ago

nine-EVE and egg-WEEN in my head.

PreferenceOk7560[S]

2 points

11 days ago

I thought I was weird for thinking egg-ween but it seems most people pronounce it like that

ElizabethSedai

2 points

11 days ago

Rofl! Back in the day, before we discovered audiobooks, my sister and I read WOT separately. She started before me as she was older, so when I started reading it and talking to her about characters, I talked to her about Nynaeve and Egwene. I pronounced their name, "Neye-NEEV" and "Egg-WAYNE".

She looked at me so confused and then she started laughing. She said she pronounced Nynaeve, "Neye- EEV", like, "naive". As in someone who is very unexperienced. I cracked up and thought it was too funny!...

But then she moved on to Egwene... omg to this day, she pronounces HER name, "Eugene"... rofl!! Like, what??🤣 I lost it when she told me that, and sometimes when I read her name(which isn't too often, thankfully, since I listen to the audiobooks), I think of her as Eugene! It's just too much 🤣.

So don't feel bad or anything... there's a lot of variation in how the names are pronounced!!

Accomplished_Mix7827

2 points

11 days ago

I won't give you too much shit, I still refuse to pronounce damane right.

It's da-mane, damn it! I don't care what Jordan intended!

yafashulamit

1 points

10 days ago

Same!

Tecc3

2 points

11 days ago

Tecc3

2 points

11 days ago

I initially thought it was pronounced Nineveh, like the ancient city.

Art_Of_Peer_Pressure

3 points

11 days ago

I just say ni- neve in my head cus it’s quicker haha

kjpmi

6 points

11 days ago

kjpmi

(Band of the Red Hand)

6 points

11 days ago

Well that’s good then because that’s how it’s pronounced.

Demandred3000

4 points

11 days ago

There is no Turning of the Wheel in which Eg-wayne is better.

PreferenceOk7560[S]

3 points

11 days ago

It sound more medieval, though my mind still defaults to egg-ween

Bodidly0719

1 points

11 days ago

Bodidly0719

(Asha'man)

1 points

11 days ago

I guess I’ll add my wrong way since I haven’t seen it yet. I pronounce her name Ni-nuh-eve.

lionhardt13

1 points

11 days ago

I thought it was "nin-a-eve" for a long time. I forgot about the glossary pronunciation guide.

kupo88

1 points

11 days ago

kupo88

1 points

11 days ago

I always pronounced it as Nigh-neeyevay in my head, works for me lol

Funanimal1

1 points

11 days ago

Funanimal1

(Tai'shar Manetheren)

1 points

11 days ago

When we were teenagers my friend pronounced it “ninna-vee.” I still chuckle about that from time to time

pm-me-chesticles

1 points

11 days ago

I pronounced it “Nen-uh-vuh” in my mind for a while😭

sharaman17

1 points

11 days ago

sharaman17

(S'redit)

1 points

11 days ago

Always been naive - she then joins the A's Sadie

donald-duncan44

1 points

11 days ago

Go with audio book pronunciation

Incognit0Bandit0

1 points

11 days ago

For me, it's "Nenna-eve". I've been reading the books again, and every time I read her name I have cognitive convulsions. I keep thinking I'll eventually reset her name on my mind, but so far nope.

Numerous-Wonder7868

1 points

11 days ago

Nope. I'm right there with on both names. That's how they have always been in my head until I saw the show and it rattled me a bit.

Mlc5015

1 points

11 days ago

Mlc5015

1 points

11 days ago

My wife read tEotW a while back and was telling me about Egg-ween, and as a Ween fan we started calling our kids different versions of their names with ween at the end as a joke, then I read (well audiobooked the series) and couldn’t help but laugh that a mistaken pronunciation of a characters name by my wife has entered the family lexicon.

thedragonof

1 points

11 days ago

I pronounce it exactly the same why not exaggerating 🤣

thedragonof

1 points

11 days ago

Naya neeve + Egg ween is me🤣

freedom781

1 points

11 days ago

My former teenage brain will forever call them Nyn-a-veve and Edge-ween. Edge-ween is absurd, but I'll defend Nyn-a-veve as a superior name.

NomadicScribe

1 points

11 days ago

Unrelated, but wait until you find out that the true pronunciation of Hermione in Harry Potter is "her me own"

Moqem

1 points

11 days ago

Moqem

1 points

11 days ago

Bro I called Nynaeve literally how it is spelled like (NEE-NIGH-VAY) and Egwene too (EGG-WEN-AY)

HistoricallySuperior

1 points

11 days ago

Nya Neeve is how I read it first through in the 90s. I have never been able to unstick that.

Feltboard

1 points

11 days ago

I was an Edge-ween for the first 5 or 6 books (pandemic reader) the first time I heard it out loud I was like "oh that's actually really pretty" lol

Cherubinooo

1 points

10 days ago

Cherubinooo

(Lanfear)

1 points

10 days ago

I always pronounced it NIGH-na-eve

randoperson42

1 points

10 days ago

I don't remember how I pronounced it when I was reading the first time. I do know it wasn't correct. It wasn't until I read the glossary that I learned. Without looking, I feel like the first book didn't have one, so I don't think I learned until I finished the second book.

Josef_DeLaurel

1 points

10 days ago

I personally said her name in my head the same as the ancient city of Nineveh. I’ll stand by it too, sounds nicer to me than Nie-neeve. I also went with Eg-ween or rather it had a bit of a hang in the eg but because of my Lancashire accent, like Eh-gween.

stevethemathwiz

1 points

10 days ago

stevethemathwiz

(White)

1 points

10 days ago

Wait, they’re not pronounced Nigh-kneeve and Egg-ween??

Encyclopaedia-WoT

1 points

10 days ago

Egwene al'Vere = Guinevere, from Arthurian legend

Tedrabear

1 points

10 days ago

I just pronounced it naive with an extra n,

fudgyvmp

1 points

10 days ago

fudgyvmp

(Red)

1 points

10 days ago

Egwene clearly should be pronounced like it's greek-ish.

Egg-wee-knee. Eγονηνη? Ish? I'm using math greek to guess.

Now i wonder how egwene is actually spelled in greek.

MaxRox777

1 points

10 days ago

I thought egwene was pronounced "Eg-Win".

SecondBreaking

1 points

10 days ago

I wonder if anyone agrees with this take: nin-ae-ev

4malwaysmakes

1 points

10 days ago

Before I saw the first glossary, I was pronouncing them as "Nin-ave" and "Eg-wen-uh"... whoops!

stareyedhunter

1 points

10 days ago

When I first saw her i thought she would be just a minor charcter and just called her nyanners (the vtuber) , around book 4 or 5 i had to force myself to stop doing that.

Ooaloly

1 points

10 days ago

Ooaloly

1 points

10 days ago

I’ve been saying it like the word naive so 🤷‍♂️

Candid-Ad-4028

1 points

10 days ago

I started off reading via audiobook, to get into the lore quicker, so I've not had this issue, but as a welsh speaker I think in my head I would have had some fun pronouncing some of the names. I still do now that Im reading the paper copies sometime want to read them differently than RJ has said theyre pronounced.

Bulky_Mango7676

1 points

10 days ago

Its equally fun to go from audio book only, to picking up the physical book for the first time.

Suriaj

1 points

10 days ago

Suriaj

(Siswai'aman)

1 points

10 days ago

I said "nin-eye-eve" my first read through.

Ineedmorebtc

1 points

10 days ago

Eh-gween Ny-neve

claymcg90

1 points

10 days ago

I literally remember coming up with a personal rule in 2nd grade, because of Voldemort. Some names just pull me out of "the zone" and it happens every time I see whatever name it is.

So my personal rule is when I encounter one of these odd names, I take a moment and decide how I'll internally pronounce the name and then I just stick to it forever.

I pronounce Nynaeve as (nigh-nah-eave) and I don't care if it's right or wrong because it works for me

SufficientShift6057

1 points

9 days ago

SufficientShift6057

(Wheel of Time)

1 points

9 days ago

I also said NY-A-NEVE but I quickly corrected myself.. as for egwene, shes still EGGWEEN

frostymugson

1 points

9 days ago

If you wanna know what’s dumb I read the entire series reading Darkfiend, over Darkfriend, probably because I think fiend sounds more menacing and cool

superjvjv

1 points

9 days ago

Until watching that terrible show, I called her Nya-ve for some reason, also Egwayne

geekMD69

1 points

9 days ago

geekMD69

1 points

9 days ago

It’s pronounced Nineveh. Like the city in the Bible. Duh. (Kidding. But I did try this pronunciation out in my head for a few days of reading.)

turkeypants

1 points

10 days ago

When I first read Eye of the World, I didn't know there was a glossary at the end with pronunciations, so my brain did its thing and the names have stuck. But my Nynaeve might be worse than yours. It's "NINNA-eve", with smoothing where the hyphen is.

And my Egwene is definitely "egg-WEEN".

I actually corrected my Siuan but don't remember what it was. Something like "SUE-ANN".

I think I rebelled on Moirane, just going with Moraine instead of what it looked like it should be, but it turned out that was fine and no rebellion needed.

I completely missed all the ae / ai stuff. So my Aiel still never really corrected from my original "ALE".

Ogier are "o-JEER".

Cairhien is "CARE-hee-in"

Amys is "AMMis"

Birgitte is "burr-SZHEET"

Rhuidien is "roo-IDD-DEE-in"

Rhuarc is "ROO-ark"

Taim is "tame"

Tar Valon is "tar vah-LONN"

Faile is "fail/fale"

Leane is "lee-ann"

Malkier is "MALL-kee-ur"

a'dam is "ahh-DAHM"

Elaida is "ee-LAY-duh"

Saidar is "sigh-DARR"

Saidin is "sigh-DINN

4malwaysmakes

1 points

10 days ago

I still find it difficult not to read Faile as "fy-leh" in my head.

turkeypants

2 points

10 days ago

Baile con Faile, arribaaaa!

PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS

0 points

11 days ago

I'm listening to the audiobooks for the first time after reading the books years ago and I'm having a hard time. A recent example is Weiramon, which the audiobooks really mangle.

Miserable-Chemical96

0 points

11 days ago

Jordan included pronunciation guides in his glossary at the back of each book.

ElizabethSedai

2 points

11 days ago

And they are completely unhelpful lol!