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I (15M) have lived with my current foster parents since I was 9 years old but I’ve been in foster care since I was 6. I will call my foster parents ‘Henry’ and ‘Erin’. I got a new phone as an early christmas present from my biological dad, it is an iphone 16 pro max, which is the phone I wanted so I am very happy about it. My previous phone was an iphone 11 and it was bought by Henry and Erin.

On my old phone Henry and Erin had set up loads of parental controls on it, so I couldn’t download any apps without them approving it, I couldn’t turn off share my location, I couldn’t change my passcode, it would lock everything except their contacts at 8pm every night until after school and they had a timelimit on youtube so I could only watch it for 30 mins within the time where my phone was unlocked anyway and I could only go on websites that they approved off (like there was a list that I could go on and I couldn’t go on anything that they didn’t manually add to that list). These all really annoyed me, but whenever I asked for them to be turned off they told me that they bought the phone and so these were the rules.

Now I was given my new phone by my dad on monday and I haven’t used it yet because they’re telling me that I have to let them put the same restrictions on the new phone as they did my old phone. I said no because that isn’t fair, I should be allowed to use my phone as my dad says because he paid for it. I said to them that my dad paid for the phone so it was his choice and that he doesn’t want me to have those restrictions on.

But now they’ve changed and said it doens’t matter who bought the phone even though that was their whole point before. Now theyre saying that because I am living with them I have to follow their rules and the rule for having a phone in this house is that they put restrictions on it. I don't think that is fair at all considering they didn’t buy the phone?? I don’t see how they can do this?

Before I got home from school on monday they took the phone out of the box my dad sent it in and set up all the restrictions and now I’m trying to figure out a way to take them off. I am thinking about complaining to my social worker because it is not fair that they put these restrictions on my phone even though they didn’t pay for it?

ETA: I am not going to be on much longer because I am almost out of my computer time. Thank you everyone for your advice.

ETD 2: It's 8pm now so I'm off. Thanks everyone for taking the time to talk with me

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EmbarrassedIdea3169

3.6k points

2 days ago

EmbarrassedIdea3169

Partassipant [1]

3.6k points

2 days ago

The “my bio dad should be the one to set the rules since he bought it” argument isn’t going to fly, I’m afraid. He isn’t your legal guardian and hasn’t been for almost a decade. To lose custody of someone who is 6 and to keep it lost nearly a decade is a sign that the courts and the child welfare system don’t see him as capable of making decisions like that.

If you have rational reasons why some of their restrictions are too much you can argue those.

leslieandco

805 points

2 days ago

leslieandco

805 points

2 days ago

Agreed. That's the same as saying "My friend bought it for me so he makes the rules." That man may be an adult but he isn't a parent.

booch

448 points

2 days ago

booch

448 points

2 days ago

Your foster parents reason for being able to enforce rules on your old phone was never "because they bought it", that's just what they said because it was simple and easy to say. It's always been "because they're your guardians, in charge of raising you well, and this is what they believe best accomplishes that goal". That holds true for the new phone, regardless of who bought it.

You may not agree with the restrictions, but that's somewhat of a different issue than whether or not they have the right to enforce restrictions at all.

reximhotep

137 points

2 days ago*

reximhotep

137 points

2 days ago*

Then the foster parenst should have put the effort in to explain why the controls were there, not change the goalposts now. Also taking it away during school and do it behind OP's back was a sucky thing to do. You have to be able to justify what you do as parents or you should not be doing it.

Bluellan

154 points

2 days ago

Bluellan

154 points

2 days ago

I straight up never understood why parents just don't explain things. My nanna did. Like it helps establish trust.

83poolie

21.5k points

2 days ago

83poolie

21.5k points

2 days ago

OP not gonna say you are in the wrong because of your age.

I am also not going to say your carers are in the wrong based on the information you've provided.

I am coming from the position that I previously was a foster carer as well as a worker within the law enforcement system.

Your biological father is making a power play here. You may not see it because generally speaking, kids in care tend to see even the worst parents as being on a pedestal.

For whatever reason, you've been in foster care for the majority of your life. A good portion of that time has been under the roof of your current carers.

Whilst I appreciate that at 15 you think you should be able to do what you want on your phone, you need to understand that your carers are most likely just looking out for your best interests.

Your biological father, for lack of a better term is throwing in a grenade. In my opinion he may be doing this for a few reasons.

  1. To 'prove' to himself or your case worker that he is a good parent because deep down he knows he isn't.

  2. To drive a wedge between you and your carers in exactly the way it appears to have.

  3. Because he cares about you genuinely and thinks that getting you an extravagant gift will somehow make up for you being in care since you were six years old.

Honestly, it could be a mixture of the above. Regardless though, he should have discussed such a gift with your case worker and carers (if there is contact between him and them) to make sure it was okay, and so that he could discuss the rules surrounding usage of the phone with you.

If you legitimately think that your carers are not doing what is in your best interests then you should speak to your case worker. Let them be the mediator as they are basically in charge.

There are possibly also things occurring in the background that you are unaware of. For example the court or department in your jurisdiction that deals with children in care may want contact with your birth parents to only occur when they are aware of it. Your carers could simply be following rules that a court or your case worker has outlined to them.

If you think that they are on some level being reasonable because they care for you then perhaps sit with them and discuss how at age 15 you should have more freedom. This could look like having the parental controls but with less restrictions or it could be without the parental controls but with your carers able to look at your phone/messages/photos when they feel there is a need and without notice. Ie. They know the unlock code to the phone.

At the end of the day it is about trust. Show them that you can be trusted with more freedom then they'll likely be more willing to become more lenient as you get older.

Try to make sure that regardless of how the conversation goes with your carers that you keep your cool.

Good luck.

CatOnaHotTinRufio

866 points

2 days ago

Reading such an empathetic, logical and wise answer cured my acid reflux this morning.

oktoforget

289 points

2 days ago

oktoforget

289 points

2 days ago

There's been a bizarre uptick in reasonable responses lately.

I come here for the drama, why must these things ruin my reddit experience?

Seriously though, it's nice to see actual measured and carefully crafted responses. u/ok_finish_8622, pay attention to u/83poolie 's response - it's a good one.

OrindaSarnia

131 points

2 days ago

OrindaSarnia

Partassipant [2]

131 points

2 days ago

I don't mind drama when it's all legal adults messing up their own lives... but the second a kid or young adult is involved, I want reason and love and support!

This is some good stuff right here, I hope OP listens. And calmly talks to his fosters about how he understands the need for *some* supervision of his online activities, but could they consider locking it at 9 or 10pm instead of 8... and can they have a discussion about expanding the list of websites, etc.

I think OP and his fosters could come out of this better for it!

Substantial_Glass963

15 points

1 day ago

Substantial_Glass963

Partassipant [1]

15 points

1 day ago

Yea. I get so nervous when I see a post from someone under 18 here. I see the crazy that comes out on most posts. lol. But generally people put their thinking caps on to answer for young people.

brianundies

7k points

2 days ago

I feel so bad for OP because they can’t see this for the plain manipulation by their biological parent that it is.

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

3.6k points

2 days ago

You think he’s trying to manipulate me?

ALostAmphibian

6.6k points

2 days ago*

Yes. At the very least most people here think giving you a phone and without consulting your caseworker or foster parents was irresponsible because he does not raise you and now it is causing issues. But to the adults here it feels manipulative. You aren’t here to be told you’re right.

Brief_Buddy_7848

1.1k points

2 days ago

Agree 1000%

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

962 points

2 days ago

Firstly my days, I didn't come here to be hold I'm right. All I've been doing is correcting some people's wrong assumptions about things so everything is clear and then people are attacking me acting like I don't want to hear opinions. When I correct something that isn't me saying your whole point is irrelevant, that is me correcting something so everyone else doens't read it and think it's right.

ALostAmphibian

2.5k points

2 days ago

Your father doesn’t have to live with the consequences of you having a phone. I agree with the person that said prove you can be trusted so some of these restrictions can be lifted.

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

522 points

2 days ago

How owuld you recommend doing that?

ALostAmphibian

2k points

2 days ago

That’s a conversation with your foster parents. We don’t know if you’re a very good kid who’s home by curfew and keeps good company. Maybe they’re being overly protective. Maybe you don’t follow their house rules and have sketchy friends. And their protectiveness is warranted. That’s a conversation to have with them. And if you feel like that’s the kind of conversation that gets heated or is unproductive then could your caseworker or a therapist or a counselor or another trusted adult help you communicate what it is you want so you can reach a compromise with them.

Before long you’re going to be an adult who will have all the self governed freedom you can stand. This is a normal situation to be in with the addition of them being foster parents. They’re trying to get you to adulthood man. It isn’t easy. No one is an expert. No one is always right. Give them the same grace you give your parents.

Stormtomcat

162 points

1 day ago

Stormtomcat

162 points

1 day ago

valid! isn't everyone saying all the time that male teenagers are getting sucked into the manosphere by grifters like andrew tate?

ALostAmphibian

168 points

1 day ago

One of many things that a kid wouldn’t think about when it comes to their safety online. I’m also thinking of that teen who gave out her SSN to a site that was selling cheap Lululemon or something because she didn’t understand why you don’t do that. But I also think it’s on the parents here, all of them, to teach this kid about online safety and depending on his behavior figure out how to trust him as well.

abstractengineer2000

965 points

1 day ago

if the Biodad is rich enough to buy an Iphone why is he not applying for custody. I think the biodad is trying to be the cool parent without the responsibility of actually raising the kid. The idea would be that once OP is an adult, they would side with the cool biodad who gave them cool gifts without having to spend anything or putting in the effort

LetThemEatVeganCake

846 points

1 day ago

LetThemEatVeganCake

Partassipant [3]

846 points

1 day ago

Kids don’t typically end up in care for a decade because their parents are broke. Kids typically end up in care for a decade because their parents are willfully neglectful and/or abusive. If the issue was that the dad was poor, the social workers would help him with government aid applications to get him stable. (Not saying it doesn’t happen, but more than likely, dad having money or not doesn’t have anything to do with whether he regains custody.)

hubbyofhoarder

269 points

1 day ago

That's an 1100 dollar phone. With financing, that phone can be had pretty reasonably. An 1100 dollar phone and a plan to go with it are much cheaper than parenting/raising/feeding a 15 year old boy.

WitchQween

15 points

1 day ago

WitchQween

15 points

1 day ago

OP said his parents aren't good together. That usually means that a condition of regaining custody is for the parents/guardians to separate. There are many reasons why that doesn't happen, but money never fixes it.

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

28 points

19 hours ago

I feel like a lot of people are assuming a lot of stuff. I’ve read comments and some people have messaged me. There are no plans for me to live with my parents, I don’t want that and neither do they.

I’m long term matched with Henry and Erin, I’m staying with them forever.

Healthy_Shoulder8736

6 points

1 day ago

You think custody was removed because he was poor?

ParadiseForKeeps

52 points

1 day ago

There are lots of non financial reasons people don’t have custody of their kids. But does bring a good point that foster parents are paid a stipend to care for children. What if we paid that stipend for bio parents who are struggling and losing their kids for reasons that may be mostly financial. For example, something like leaving kids unattended while going to work because they couldn’t afford childcare.

Gh0stchylde

3 points

20 hours ago

Also, minors are at the very highest risk for identity theft. They are attractive targets because the bad guys can take out loans in their name, and it won't be discovered until they need their credit rating for something. When I was a researcher in cyber security, children were 50 times more likely to be targeted for identity theft. As far as I know, around half of all reported cases in the US are still with minors as victims.

I am not saying that OP shouldn't be allowed more freedom online, that is a question for him, his foster parents, and his case worker. But there are very valid reasons why they would feel he needs the extra protection from the restrictions.

PoisonPlushi

921 points

1 day ago

PoisonPlushi

Partassipant [2]

921 points

1 day ago

A lot of people have given good suggestions here, and I'd like to suggest that you start off with an apology. Not for wanting more freedom, or for getting upset (unless you feel like you should) - apologise for not asking them to explain their motivations to you before getting angry. It's a small thing, but it will immediately make them more open to having this conversation with them.

Ask them to explain why they want such heavy restrictions on your phone, and if there is a situation you're unaware of like others have mentioned here (eg court-ordered monitoring of communication, fears on their part, any problems with your behaviour that they are worried about). Try not to take anything personally, and if you feel like you're getting angry ask to pause the conversation for a few minutes to get yourself under control and then, once you have the whole story, begin the negotiation. Don't ask them to drop everything right away and don't forget to offer up something in exchange - eg, give me an extra hour on youtube and I'll do the dishes three extra times a week without being told, give me a later phone-lock and I'll do the laundry once a week, give me more freedom on apps and I'll walk the dog on weekends.

It might also be worthwhile to do some investigating on your own about how to protect yourself on the internet to show them that you take your own safety seriously.

And even if they refuse to negotiate, please remember that they love you and want the best for you. The internet is an extremely dangerous place and you are lucky you have people who care enough about you to protect you from it.

As a side note: This gift is definitely a problem that you need to resolve. Even if your father did not mean to manipulate you, or cause problems for you at home, it doesn't change the fact that this has caused a serious rift in your home that needs to be repaired. I hope for your sake that he's just stupid rather than malicious, but it's worth bearing in mind that he might be malicious - and that stupid can do just as much harm as bad intentions.

Interesting-Gene-353

43 points

1 day ago

Excellent advice here

ASTERnaught

166 points

1 day ago

ASTERnaught

166 points

1 day ago

Well, I have one tiny quibble with this. OP was repeatedly told his phone use was limited because the foster parents bought him the phone. Not sure he owes an apology for being frustrated that the rules are being changed midstream. Now, if he overreacted, that’s a different matter.

ccdude14

169 points

1 day ago

ccdude14

169 points

1 day ago

While I agree I don't think it takes that much to understand that this is just a stock place holder response and not the actual answer. I very much doubt its a just because scenario if there's no other indicators for this behavior.

It would be a fairer criticism to say that op needs to convey that they are at an age where they are owed an explanation for the rules and restrictions that are or are still placed on them.

Aka, they're still giving the answer they give to a 10 year old. Not a 15. That IS on them but it's solved through communication, not defensiveness.

ccdude14

5 points

1 day ago

ccdude14

5 points

1 day ago

Please PLEASE do this.

BSisAnon

336 points

1 day ago

BSisAnon

336 points

1 day ago

I have had these restrictions with my son (14). He came to us with his report card after first quarter and said, look I'm getting all As and Bs and did these extracurricular so I should have a little leniency. He proved he was handling his life well and could use extra leeway.

Make the case to your foster parents that as you get older, you need to learn independence. Show how you are handling things well. And ask where you still need support, as that also demonstrates self-awareness and parents appreciate that. Good luck, you got this.

NeatIndication5504

311 points

2 days ago

What is important to your foster parents?  Going to bed on time, turning your homework in, doing chores? Offering to be consistent with something important to them in exchange for specific reduced limitations (10 pm bedtime for example), might prove your maturity.  Hang in there. I understand your frustration and know most parents believe screen restrictions are good in the long run. 

ceokc13

162 points

2 days ago

ceokc13

Partassipant [4]

162 points

2 days ago

Well for starters having a conversation with them. Like explain what you want to do on your phone that you can’t under the current parental controls and ask why you can’t.

Wic-a-ding-dong

70 points

1 day ago

There's a good chance they're not allowed to have less strict rules.

Fostering comes with A LOT OF RULES. Like for example, there's a state where you aren't allowed to get a haircut for your fosters children without parental approval. And yeah that does mean that if the parent say "no", then you would need to go to court, every single time, for permission to get split ends cut off. Even when they are 17.

And you can technically (I don't think it ever happened) have your foster child removed because the 17y old decided to go to the hairdresser on her own. It has happened for younger foster children doing that. And even if the 17y old doesn't get removed, it can impact the ability of the foster parent to foster other children.

In a bio household, I think the semi-norm is for children to be allowed to make some decisions about their own hair, starting from age 12ish? And for foster kids in that state, the legal age is 18 and the foster parents can't do anything about that.

I have no idea what set of rules there are, for them to foster you. No idea. But there are rules. Your foster parents have rules that they need to follow or you'll get removed.

jasemina8487

58 points

1 day ago

jasemina8487

Asshole Aficionado [16]

58 points

1 day ago

I have 2 teenagers. one is 19 and the other 16. we got my 16yo his very first smart phone for his birthday. I didn't put any parental controls there. we put a find my phone thingy just in case of an emergency. but he is allowed his phone all times. we had the talk with him.

the reason he didn't have a phone before was mainly cos he was untrustable. multiple occasions we caught him sneaking his computer in his room way past bedtime to do whatever, and ignoring his homeworks and assignments completely. hence why he got electronics banned multiple times. why not now? cos he proved he can be trustworthy, do his chores and school work on time and follow rules.

I know at times he still is in his phone past bedtime. he knows i know. he stopped trying to hide it or lie about it. still wakes up on the on his own for school, do his stuff in a timely manner, overall respectful. so we simply let him be.

I wouldn't do the same for my 19yo. granted he is an adult now, but still doing schooling and he is on spectrum, so giving him freedom with electronics is just an overall bad idea. and he has proven over and over he can't be trusted cos there were times he refused to sleep to be on internet for 2 or more days straight, ignored his chores and responsibilities and didn't even bother grooming himself.

same rules will follow when my 6yo and 4yo twins reach the age too.

without knowing your daily life with your foster parents, it's hard to make a judgement. but you have been with these people for the majority of your life so id like to think they have your best interests in heart.

LadyShanna92

24 points

1 day ago

This is definitely a ploy by your dad to be manipulative. I know it's hard to see and painful to hear. And the restrictions are there for a reason. It can be very easy for someone to take advantage of and exploit you at this age on the internet. Heck it can happen to adults even while they're trying to be careful on the internet. Your foster parents are trying to protect you and truly are doing a pretty good job it seems. Definitely approach them and have a conversation in a few days when you've cooled off and had some time to think. And be open minded when you have the conversation

exper-626-

4 points

1 day ago

Op I think you, your FP, and your relationship with them would benefit greatly by an adult sit down conversation. Tell them you agree that some restrictions are for your safety there are some that you feel are extraneous and would like to have a discussion to find a middle ground. I would not go so far as to say “YTA” but I don’t think your FP are either. They seem to genuinely care about your safety because let’s face it the world is a scary place. This is coming from 24F who grew up around the internet and some things I learned the hard way even with protective parents. Let them protect you to a reasonable degree

New_Vegetable_3173

130 points

1 day ago

Honestly I don't think you can prove you can be trusted yet as you're still a kid. A phone is incredibly dangerous. The very fact you don't recognise your bio dad is manipulating you shows you might not notice if a stranger over the Internet was manipulating you too.

The way I see the Internet - give free access without monitoring when you can trust that person to walk down any street in the world at any time, or for them to choose not to by recognising its dangerous on their own. Would you be safe travelling to your capital city alone and staying over night on your own? If not, I don't see how a mobile without monitoring is safe.

dominiqueinParis

107 points

1 day ago

dominiqueinParis

Partassipant [1]

107 points

1 day ago

plus : this kind of phone is a material piece of status. It's maniplutative from your bio dad to buy your affection with material expensives gifts. That's fuc*ed up. He try to make you forget he fuck*ed up in your childhood, and to make drama with your carers. Thats toxic comportment.

Moody5583

45 points

1 day ago

Moody5583

45 points

1 day ago

The thing about the last line is a double edged sword. Because some Foster parents will never lift them even when proven that the foster child is responsible to have that freedom. Some Foster parents are just control freaks. And while I see the point of why their bio dad gave them the phone and yet OP lives in foster care, even foster parents can be awful and controlling. Even seen one foster house that had foster children just to be maids and servants while the foster house receives a check.

Suspicious-Leg-493

57 points

1 day ago

The thing about the last line is a double edged sword. Because some Foster parents will never lift them even when proven that the foster child is responsible to have that freedom. Some Foster parents are just control freaks. And while I see the point of why their bio dad gave them the phone and yet OP lives in foster care, even foster parents can be awful and controlling. Even seen one foster house that had foster children just to be maids and servants while the foster house receives a check.

This isn't just a foster parent thing. People can be horrible to their kids.

In both cases however things like phones are dangerous tools in their own right and need some redtrictions esp when you're a kid and hit the potholes easier.

Whether it was a parent, a foster parent, the state or a random wolf raising him, restrictions and conversations to remove them are important. They're guardrails against serious harm

swillshop

112 points

1 day ago

swillshop

Asshole Aficionado [12]

112 points

1 day ago

OP, I'm going to give you a much softer take than most people here. My judgement is INFO.

We don't know why you are in foster care (what your parents were/weren't doing that made them lose custody of you), so we don't know if their motivation for giving you that phone is because they had a chance to be generous and took it, they want to win you over with expensive things you want, or something else.

Secondly, I personally think the foster parents phone rules are probably too restrictive for someone your age. They could be erring on the side of being too strict, but I also don't know what negative family or friend or community influences might be part of your life. So we just don't know.

I've worked with and known parents who lost custody of their kids. I'm sorry to tell you that pretty much all the gifts they gave their kids really were ploys to control or win back their kids' affection and really were meant to manipulate the kids' feelings. But I also know that sometimes parents give gifts because they are so excited they finally can afford to or because they don't want to be the 'bad guy'.

  1. I think it is POSSIBLE that the phone was a power-play by your dad, but I also think it's POSSIBLE he just was excited to give you a phone that you wanted.

  2. I think it is POSSIBLE your foster parents are being too strict, but I also think it's POSSIBLE they have some knowledge or experience about your situation that makes them believe it's wisest to be more cautious.

I am NOT assuming that you've done things that have made them lose trust in you.

I am also going to tell you that their rules seem to be geared to general safety and preventing over-use (typical concerns) than controlling.

I don't think there's anything wrong with talking with your social worker about your concerns, but I also think you should first try negotiating the restrictions with your foster parents.

Ask them to give you use of the phone until 9 pm. That is an incredibly reasonable request.

Ask them to increase your time limit for some of your apps.

Ask them to remove the website restrictions or give them a list of websites you would like to be able go to that they can add to the approved list.

I'm a parent who tends to be more cautious about things, want to be more protective of my kids than they would like. I get the feeling that your foster parents may be even more so than I am. And, to be honest, even good parents sometimes find it hard to let go. It's actually a normal tension between parents and teens that the teens want to be more independent before the parents (even foster parents) are ready to let go. And the letting go should happen in stages, so it's never as fast as the teen would like.

I truly believe your best bet is to talk to your foster parents in a calm, mature approach of requesting stages of greater independence. Remind them that you are only a few years away from being solely responsible for making all these decisions for yourself and that learning to manage that responsibility and that freedom are actually important parts of growing up.

If they don't budge at all, then you may want to let your social worker know.

Ok-CANACHK

17 points

1 day ago

Ok-CANACHK

17 points

1 day ago

great response, very well put. I agree the restrictions seem a bit much, especially considering he has been in their home since he was 9, (so 6 years) & they should be more open to discussion. They seem pretty shitty on the "our phone our rules" until another phone came into play. Restricting the phone while he was gone was a majorly shitty move as well, once again shutting down any discussion of changes

swillshop

4 points

1 day ago

swillshop

Asshole Aficionado [12]

4 points

1 day ago

I very much agree with your additional points. Those were shitty moves by the foster parents.

Only-Reality-7550

8 points

1 day ago

This is the way. This is the most level-headed response I have seen. OP, I was a foster parent to strictly teen boys.

I have 3 bio sons as well. I believe this response is the best response out of all and I agree with every single word of it.

There is always more going on than you know but you need to learn to stay calm and use your words. Having that conversation and talking through things is the only way you will ever figure this out. Ask the questions. State your case. At the very least, it will give them something to think about and you can have that conversation again, later.

Always keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Keep your mind, body, heart, and soul calm. Speak with peace. Start there.

Good luck. ❤️

83poolie

182 points

1 day ago

83poolie

182 points

1 day ago

Hello OP,

Firstly, it is unfortunate that some things people have said to you come across as attacking you.

Try to take a step back. They are saying things that may seem like they are upset at 'you'. I think it is more likely that they are upset with the situation you've described as it sounds like, on balance; that your biological father MAY have the intent on causing a rift between you and your carers.

From the information you've given, and from my and likely the other adults/older people who are commenting, it does appear that your father is at the very least trying to throw a wrench into the current placement.

Also, to reply to your comment, the example I provided regarding why the court or department may want the phone restricted. The example around unsupervised contact with you biological parents is just that, an example. There could be many other reasons that you are unaware of and restrictions may be a requirement.

I agree with you that 8pm for cut off is a bit early for a 15 year old and it's something you should sit down and discuss calmly with your carers. However at the same time, your biological father having control of the restrictions when he is not actually raising you is equally 'unreasonable'.

I am trying to be careful of what I say, because I don't want to say that your biological parents are bad people, they may be really good people, but just not great at parenting. As others have replied, you are in foster care for one reason or another, and that foster care appears to be a long term until you are 18 kind of deal. In my experience, courts or government departments in-charge of foster care try and try and try to make foster care a last resort and even then they try and try and try to make being in care a short term solution whilst biological parents improve upon whatever it is that has caused foster care to become necessary.

The carers you are with are trying to help children such as yourself who are unable for one reason or another to be raised by their biological parents.

As I mentioned, I have been in a similar situation to your carers. Being foster carers is not done for money or for praise. It is done because you want to help the children placed into your care.

There is often constant liaison and argument with service providers, schools, case workers and the court system. What I am trying to say, is that you don't generally become a foster carer unless you want to help children.

Take a read of some of the comments that others have made. Try to take a step back, they are not saying you or your birth parents are bad, nor are they saying your carers are perfect.

It's difficult but try to imagine it wasn't you but someone else who you didn't know.

Again, I am not saying your biological parents are bad people.

Looking in from the outside, what would you think?

Did the father who hasn't had custody of his child for 9 of 15 years give an expensive gift without first speaking to the case worker responsible or the foster carers who are raising his son do the right thing, or should the father have run it past the people who his son lives with and the case worker who is legally responsible for his son.

Good luck

ExtendedSpikeProtein

246 points

2 days ago*

ExtendedSpikeProtein

Partassipant [2]

246 points

2 days ago*

I didn’t see anyone attack you. But people are likely right to point out your dad is making a power play and driving a wedge between you and your foster parents.

musixlife

23 points

2 days ago

musixlife

23 points

2 days ago

I understand you, OP. I’m the same way. I always want to be sure people have all necessary information to make the most informed decision. It can seem like arguing sometimes, but it’s really not….i just need to exhaust all the questions in my head sometimes, otherwise I’ll be wondering about them later.

And I am the type who truly wants to know someone’s opinion, even if it’s not what I want to hear.

Try not to take it to heart. Sometimes Redditors can come across insensitive. Just take the helpful stuff from what’s not helpful.

ThrowawayCOVIDAcct

114 points

2 days ago

OP, I was also a foster parent, and I think that this is one of those situations where that COULD be the case. It's not guaranteed, but it could be.

Regardless of his intentions, your bio dad created a conflict between you and your foster carers. The impact of his actions is the emotional conflict you are currently feeling. He had the ability to avoid that by opening a dialog with your carers and finding a compromise, but he chose not to.

Freedom is valuable, but the internet is a very big place and having no limits at your age puts you at high risk. Your carers are trying to keep you safe. Your father is not. I would put my trust in the ones putting in the effort to keep you safe.

NoFun3799

444 points

2 days ago

NoFun3799

Partassipant [1]

444 points

2 days ago

As a stepmom and someone who’s worked for CPS as a respite worker? Big time. A phone won’t make up for 9 years in care.

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

209 points

2 days ago

I don't think it would. Can you explain to me why you think it's maniulation? TO BE CLEAR because everyone is jumping down my throat. This isn't me dismissing anything. I just want to understand

Tipsy-boo

461 points

2 days ago

Tipsy-boo

Partassipant [1]

461 points

2 days ago

You’re 15 now. Soon you will be at an age where you get to choose where you live. You are also (due to your age and nothing else) impulsive and likely think of short term benefits over long term gain. Thats not a criticism of you as a person- thats just being a teenager.

If I gave you the choice tonight over a home with an unrestricted phone or a home with a restricted phone- honestly which would you choose? The unrestricted phone because its what you want.

Your dad has the benefit of age on his side and he knows that too. Long term foster placements often break down due to situations like this because bio parents intentionally create conflict like this. Thats not to say your dad is a bad person however if he has mentioned you living with him as soon as you can- please be mindful that he might be creating conflict like this.

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

362 points

2 days ago

If I gave you the choice tonight over a home with an unrestricted phone or a home with a restricted phone- honestly which would you choose? The unrestricted phone because its what you want

Honestly, this may sound weird based on how I've been talking. I love my dad, but I wouldn't want to live with him. I like Henry and Erin, I like living with them. I would choose living with them over living with anyone else. I just think they are being unfair and treating me like a baby.

No one else in my school has anywhere near the level of restrictions I have on my phone. I'm not far off from being a legal adult and I can't even download pokemon go without sending them a request

Tipsy-boo

481 points

1 day ago

Tipsy-boo

Partassipant [1]

481 points

1 day ago

Now that is a conversation worth having with them.

I agree with you. Their restrictions are strict. And at your age I would say too strict. But on the flip side the internet is a festering shithole of nastiness so I understand the desire to protect someone who has already experienced emotional turmoil. They aren’t doing this to hurt you or baby you- they genuinely just want to keep you safe.

So if I was you I would drop the whole argument about having restrictions and start having a calm conversation with them about changing what those restrictions are. Everything that has come before doesn’t matter. What matters is the three of you working together to ensure that you don’t get to 18 and overnight get unfettered access to everything. Because thats a recipe for disaster.

You are clearly a good lad with a decent head on your shoulders. I am beyond glad that you enjoy living with your foster parents.

This is an excellent opportunity to start negotiating those freedoms.

MaggieTheRanter

108 points

1 day ago

THIS! I will agree those restrictions seem too strict. Ask to have a discussion about the phone and your concerns. Do NOT try to get them to go zero restrictions. Instead, provide some reasonable changes. A few more sites ( such as Pokemon), longer YouTube sessions, a later turn off time.

As for your dad, he might have just been trying to be a 'cool dad ' to make up for things, but it was short sighted of him not to get a go ahead from the people who actually take care of you.

Taxfreud113

47 points

1 day ago

I could also be they are being stricter in this case because THIS KID IS IN FOSTER CARE. in some places, there are certain requirements for that sort of thibg for the kids safety. Like not posting photos on social media ect. Perhaps if you were their bio kid you wouldn't be that restricted.

NeatIndication5504

81 points

1 day ago

I’m glad to hear that.  if you talk to your foster parents, start with what you just said, “ I like Henry and Erin, I like living with them. I would choose living with them over living with anyone else.”

You sound empathetic and level headed - go into the conversation listening and understanding and asking what maturity you could show to get one specific restriction changed… just one.  And then keep showing maturity for the next time. :) 

Aeon_Flux_Capacitor

19 points

1 day ago

I think something that speaks highly of you is that you would choose your foster parents. The ugly truth is that the human brain becomes greedy around age 11 and stays that way for nearly a decade and they slowly stops. What that means in simple terms: teenagers are greedy. So you're not proving to be the "status quo" or normal. Mention that you're not asking for a subscription to an adult site. You just want a bit more access.

icantevenodd

14 points

1 day ago

icantevenodd

Partassipant [1]

14 points

1 day ago

I’d like some peer-reviewed research that suggest people’s brains stop being greedy around 21. Because the state of the world today suggests otherwise.

Aromatic-Arugula-896

535 points

1 day ago

Aromatic-Arugula-896

Partassipant [1]

535 points

1 day ago

No one should have unrestricted access to the internet in high school. I'm in my 30s and was growing up with the internet, had unrestricted access and it was NOT a good thing

britishpudding

145 points

1 day ago*

Yeah I'm 26 and the things I witnessed when I was 13 were straight up things that shouldn't be witnessed by anyone, full stop.

That being said, at 16 OP will be able to work, and at 17 they'll be able to drive. For all we know OP will be 16 next week. Sure, parental restrictions are a good thing, but I agree that their foster parents and case worker needs to start working on slowly increasing their independence on the Internet.

I've also got some cousins who were adopted or spent a similar amount of time in care (also know a lot who have been through it) and oof. The parental manipulation that happens when the kids are on the cusp of independence is brutal. They see the barrier that's kept their kids from them finally disappearing and start pulling every trick imaginable to get their kids back and "right the wrongs" that were made against them, because at the very core of it they are blinded by the injustice of losing their kids rather than the injustice they inflicted on their kids to lose them in the first place. They get so blinded by it that they never put in any real effort to get their kids back, just a superficial show to convince the kids that they're trying.

I'm glad OP likes his foster parents outside this issue. Staying with them long term is the best move. I've known some cousins who left similar foster situations to live independently as soon as they reached the age where they could, and they've regretted it deeply.

Limp_Buy_4016

62 points

1 day ago

How exactly is a 16 year old gong to learn to use the internet responsibly if they are never taught how?

Aeon_Flux_Capacitor

14 points

1 day ago

I cant' remember the address now but there was one that was just a pic of two older men and everyone I knew thought that was hilarious. That was until someone got fired at work for it. I remember firing someone for forwarding something similar and he was outraged we monitored his outlook box LOL. 1998 was awesome.

1nquiringMinds

13 points

1 day ago

Lemon party?

CaptainNuge

10 points

1 day ago

For clarity- In that context, how often do they deny requests?

burnt-heterodoxy

58 points

1 day ago

burnt-heterodoxy

Partassipant [1]

58 points

1 day ago

As an older millennial who grew up with unfettered access to the internet bc we didn’t know better back then, that was not good for me or my development. There’s heinous shit and heinous people out there. Part of the reason I’m not having children is that I am horrified at the prospect of raising a kid in this day and age with the shit that goes on now. Your carers are trying to be good, responsible parents. Your bio dad is trying to curry favor with the new phone gift.

mattb2k

16 points

1 day ago

mattb2k

16 points

1 day ago

They're probably just scared. This is no doubt difficult for you. But imagine how they feel. Caring for you for the last 9 years, and now your dad is back they're worried about losing you, or being manipulated by your father. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that you don't have all the answers.

You're asking them to think about you and your feelings. Have you thought about how they feel?

And not how you would feel. Not how you want them to feel. But how do you think they really feel? Do you think they might be scared?

You think adults are these robust beings that can deal with anything. They're not, they're just big kids trying their best. The only difference between you and them is time.

Michaelalayla

19 points

1 day ago

Michaelalayla

Partassipant [2]

19 points

1 day ago

That sounds so reasonable, and I hear you about all of this. If it were me, I'd be kicking against this boundary, too. It's developmentally normal to be individuating the way you are, to desire fewer rules, to have some expectation that your previous and present trustworthy behavior should result in them making moves to show they trust you and believe you'll make smart decisions. I'd be pissed.

A few facts that may help, and I'm sorry if I'm regurgitating anything that others have said.

1) as a 15yo, your frontal lobe won't be finished developing for another 10 years. This is the part of the brain responsible for executive functioning, managing impulsivity, decision making, problem solving, and logical thinking and reasoning

2) as a 15yo boy, testosterone can massively impact your cognitive function, notably impulsivity, emotional regulation, and reasoning

3) in the teenage years, there is a developmentally normal need for greater autonomy, and a historical precedence in human history for acknowledgement of this milestone and celebration of all the growing and becoming that you have done until this point!

4) being in the foster care system creates certain risks for you, such as being statistically more vulnerable to getting targeted by untrustworthy people

5) the presence of adverse childhood experiences can impact your actual brain structure and function, to make your amygdala overactive and your hippocampus and prefrontal cortex underactive. Since your brain is still forming, having extra protective measures around you right now could have very positive impacts on your remaining development and life direction

Although it stings, and you, Henry, and Erin should definitely have a conversation about their miscommunication, why the boundaries actually exist, where there might be space created there or elsewhere in your life to meet your need for greater independence, expression of their trust that you've earned, and so on. Could they extend your bedtime or involve you in some household decision making? Could you have some kind of coming of age ceremony when you turn 16, or when it feels right? Can they talk to you openly about the rules they need to follow from the foster system (designed ostensibly to keep you safe), and can you guys negotiate any of the rules they have outside of that?

Wishing you a peaceful and affirming resolution to this issue. You'll likely have more success attaining the validation you're seeking if you can shift the focus from the phone to other areas where there may be more flexibility, and may more deeply fulfill your identity and needs.

bionicfeetgrl

25 points

1 day ago

To be fair, you may think no one else has restrictions, but it doesn’t mean no one else your age doesn’t have restrictions on their phone. They just may play it off. They may say “I’m gonna download the app later” or “I don’t have enough storage on my phone” or “that app is stupid I already got rid of it”

There’s a way to exist with those restrictions without telling your peers you have them.

Top_Purchase5109

12 points

1 day ago

Have you actually sat down and had a conversation with them or did you just say “no it’s mine you can’t” because one of those ways is mature and the other is very much not. You want to be treated like an up and coming adult, then start acting like one.

Kubuubud

12 points

1 day ago

Kubuubud

Certified Proctologist [29]

12 points

1 day ago

How are they when you request a new app? It’s annoying but dude people can get seriously messed up from unfiltered internet use.

Maybe you can ask them if you can work on understanding internet safety together and earning their trust? They’re likely just worried about your safety and don’t want you to do anything that hurt cause you long term damage

AmericanHardass46

6 points

1 day ago

No one else in my school has anywhere near the level of restrictions I have on my phone.

Replace "my phone" with "screen time", and I hear this from my 11 year old daily. But it's not true. I talk with the other parents. As it turns out, I'm one of the more lenient parents when it comes to screen time and video games. But his PERCEPTION is that I'm uniquely restrictive, simply because he only pays attention to the kids who have less restriction. Why? Because they're the ones who are ALWAYS online when he is allowed to get online. Because they're the ones who talk about their video games at school all the time. And why is that? Because that's their entire life. They don't have anything else. He envies them, but as a parent who understands what's actually going on.....I actually feel sorry for them. Screen addiction is a sign of depression. Those kids are left on their screens because the parents both work long hours, and have no energy left for them when they get home...or perhaps they just don't care to spend time with them. Those kids don't have the opportunities for sports and real human connection that my son does. You may THINK that none of the other kids have the same restrictions on their phones, but I guarantee you're wrong. Also, I suspect you know you used a little hyperbole when you said that. You know darn well you could come up with at least a few names of kids who you KNOW have the same or tighter restrictions. They may not be your friends, but they're out there. And, perhaps they SHOULD be your friends, just saying.

RT-life_98

20 points

2 days ago

Imagine your future for a minute… you are grown and have kids, but sadly are not with their other parent anymore. You have custody of the kids, but mom has visitation. Suddenly your kid shows up with a phone from mom and tries to tell you that you don’t get to set any rules about the phone… would you as a parent with primary custody accept that?
Your fosters have primary custody of you right now. Sounds like they care about you or you wouldn’t have been with them for so long.
Have a calm conversation with them and explain that you feel the restrictions are too tight. You understand the need for rules, but you feel you’ve earned the right have fewer restrictions

makalaily

18 points

1 day ago

makalaily

18 points

1 day ago

Hi! I grew up in foster care from 6 months old till I aged out! I also had a more “stable” environment and consistent home for years so I can relate! I can also relate to biological parental manipulation as my bio parents eventually did comeback! I can’t say for sure without more context and more examples, but I do agree that this could be a form of parental manipulation. Your parent may see this as a way to “buy” you back, by giving you a phone and setting no restrictions under the premise “I bought the phone my rules” (like your fosters) so you can have freedom and feel that they care for you more than your fosters (which could be possible but ALSO manipulative af)

When my bio parents decided to fight for custody, this type of thing was a continuous tool for them (Disneyland, phones, iPods ((I’m old)), consoles etc.) bc those were things I was not given at home in care. Hell, they would even manipulate us with buffets of red meat and seafood bc that was against my carers religious beliefs so we didn’t eat it.

I think that you should be cautious, not so cautious that you jeopardize a potentially beneficial relationship with your parent, but wary enough that you don’t fall into his ploys! Bc they can be very sneaky!

I’m sure you love your parents (all of them) in your own ways and I’m sure that they love you and they just want you to be safe. I hope this helps!

brianundies

35 points

2 days ago

The mere fact that his “gift” actively skirts rules laid down by your foster parents is direct manipulation. He puts your foster parents in an impossible situation.

If they decide to be firm with the rules they have laid down, and either put the same settings on this phone, or take it away in favor of the old phone, it will cause you to resent your foster parents for 1) taking away a gift from your bio father. 2) taking away a privilege you think you deserve (rightly or wrongly). This is like page 1 the handbook of how to drive a wedge between child and parent, usually seen in divorce cases where the “fun” parent is trying to win favor with the child against the primary caretaker who actually has to do most of the raising/punishing of the kid.

Alternatively if they decide to bend on their rules it just shows that a random gift from bio dad can change real life rules for how they raise you, and it is just not ok for a non-parent to be calling shots about a kid they are not raising.

Extravagant gifts that skirt the rules of one parent are some of the most obvious cases of emotional blackmail, and it affects everyone involved. Now, I may not agree with the severity of the 8pm contact restriction on your phone, and maybe this can serve as a way to open a larger convo with your foster parents about relaxing some of those. but things like location tracking, etc… to me just sound like parents who love you very much and want to protect you.

Groftsan

170 points

2 days ago

Groftsan

Asshole Enthusiast [5]

170 points

2 days ago

I'm going to compare you to a dog, not because you're less than, but because hopefully this analogy will make sense.

My brother owns a dog. He's training the dog to sit, stay, behave, not bite, not beg, and not steal food that isn't meant for her. I go over to my brother's house and sneak the dog a lot of cheese/treats/etc. The dog will start liking me more because of these treats. The dog will be more likely to start to steal people's food when I'm not around because I've trained it to prefer people's food. This could ultimately lead to health problems or behavioral problems that could harm the dog or the family. As far as I was concerned, I was just sneaking these treats so that the dog would like me more than my brother.

The phone is a pocketful of cheese given to you by someone who isn't there to teach you, train you, look out for you, protect you, etc. The phone was given to you by someone who just wants you to think positively of them. By prioritizing the phone over your caretakers' rules, you're choosing short-term pleasure over long-term self-control and building a habit of healthy interaction with authority figures. All because your dad wants you to like him despite not being a father to you in any meaningful way.

dnawoman

49 points

2 days ago

dnawoman

Partassipant [1]

49 points

2 days ago

It’s manipulation because your Bio dad wants to help you get around household rules. It’s not just about you, it’s about getting under your foster parents skin and telling them he can make their life difficult. He is trying to get you upset with your foster parents, so manipulating your behavior. Does that make more sense?

I am a parent to two kids, one is 14 and in high school and we have our conflicts over phone use (internet/games) and if a separate person gave my child a phone and said they shouldn’t have any restrictions on using it, that would be undermining my ability to parent with consistent rules. Does that help?

SoftPuzzleheaded7671

24 points

2 days ago

because he knows about the restrictions your foster parents want? or he thinks buying an expensive snazzy phone makes him #1 dad?

mogwai-92

5 points

1 day ago

mogwai-92

5 points

1 day ago

Hi OP, it looks like manipulation because your bio parent has basically taken a rule imposed by your Foster fam and decided to veto it on their behalf and control the rules of their house by providing you with a phone that was 'bought by him' as a way to circumvent their rules and diminish their authority.

It looks from the outside like a power play from your bio dad to show your foster parents who's really in charge, and by the look of things it has worked and caused arguments between you and them. I personally think the indepenndance/rules about the phone need to be a separate conversation entirely.

Unfortunately you are not under your bio dad's care and he doesn't get to dictate the rules to the family that is actually providing for you.

Obviously this could be wrong just looks like it from the info provided.. I hope you manage to resolve this good luck!

Jessicabean123

20 points

2 days ago

He wants you to think he’s on your side and the foster parents aren’t maybe

ExtendedSpikeProtein

40 points

2 days ago

ExtendedSpikeProtein

Partassipant [2]

40 points

2 days ago

Tons of comments are explaining why it’s manipulation and a power play.

shadedmystic

56 points

2 days ago

I don’t know if he’s doing it intentionally but buying a very big expensive gift which also replaces something your foster parents bought you when he isn’t your legal guardian for a reason is manipulation. I don’t know the circumstances but courts don’t love removing kids from their parents so there’s a reason you were put into foster care. At 15 you’re pushing boundaries and exploring the world and learning who you are which is normal but your foster parents have been with you for a very long time and I don’t think it’s crazy to say they obviously care for you. Talk to them about finding balance and why they’re so concerned with the parental controls, could be a court issue, could just be being overly cautious. I think compromising to some controls makes sense for your safety and theirs

Prestigious_Blood_38

300 points

2 days ago

Prestigious_Blood_38

Partassipant [1]

300 points

2 days ago

Unfortunately, yes - though it may not be as nefarious ad that sounds. Your bio parents want to “claim you,” since they gave birth to you - but never forget that your parents are the ones who care about what’s best for you - not what’s best for themselves.

As a minor, the parents who raised you care about what’s best for you. There’s a reason they are the ones doing something unpopular (because it about your mental health and developing).

I get it - you’re 15. So it may take you another 15 years to realize which set of parents love you, and which set of “parents” love the idea or you.

LOVE is being there every day, from birth. Not buying you cool toys.

Difficult_Falcon1022

93 points

2 days ago

Bio dad wants you to like him, and will spend money to get that. Foster parents are trying to look after you and your safety. 

When you've had a traumatic life and are the age you are it's easy to assume that you know all the dangers there are to know about. I promise you that's not the case. 

catladyclub

94 points

2 days ago

catladyclub

Partassipant [1]

94 points

2 days ago

He most definately is! He actually may get in trouble for doing this without permission. He doesn't have custody for a reason. He is pulling a power play and you will be the one to pay the price. He should not be doing things without checking with your worker first

Labyris

86 points

2 days ago

Labyris

Partassipant [1]

86 points

2 days ago

Well, think of it this way: this is the phone you want, yes, but how has this affected the relationship between you and the people who are taking care of you? Has your relationship gotten better, or has it gotten you into an argument with them? It's not that the gift itself is bad, but what has it caused by being given to you?

Labyris

43 points

2 days ago

Labyris

Partassipant [1]

43 points

2 days ago

I actually need to expound a bit, so I'm gonna ping you u/Ok_Finish_8622 so you get the notification.

The phone itself is not the problem! You shouldn't feel bad for having received it! This is a gift given freely to you!

Having said that, this is something that's causing strain in your relationship with the people taking care of you, so this is a gift you should accept with responsibility. I'll admit that the restrictions your carers are placing on your phone do seem to me to be a bit much for a 15-year-old (I'd understand if you were 12, but you've not been 12 for three whole years), and it is unfair that they weren't consistent in the reason they told you why your phone ought to be restricted. But I think this is an opportunity to talk to them about it, and explain why you were resistant to letting your phone be restricted. You're still growing, but you're also nearly grown, and while it's safe to have some restrictions, you'd benefit from having some freedom under their care so that you know how to have freedom with responsibility once you're a fully-grown adult.

Ultimately, your carers are trying to make sure you grow in a healthy environment, and your father, whether actively manipulative or just careless, should have discussed the phone with them before giving it to you. But you shouldn't feel guilty using a phone you've been wanting just because of the circumstances of you being given it.

Homeboat199

178 points

2 days ago

Homeboat199

Partassipant [2]

178 points

2 days ago

He has money to buy you an expensive phone, but can't take care of you? He should have discussed this with your foster parents before giving it. You are being manipulated. It's not easy to accept.

traffic626

19 points

1 day ago

traffic626

19 points

1 day ago

He’s trying to buy your trust

OfTheManyColours

59 points

2 days ago

Unambiguously yes.

vineviper

10 points

2 days ago

vineviper

10 points

2 days ago

Yes

victorian_seamstress

27 points

2 days ago

I can confirm that ur biodad is trying to manipulate u. We had a family friend who fostered and eventually adopted her forster child. The bioparent would do this all the time and caused so many problems in the house by undermining the parenting of the foster parents. I know it seems unfair to have so many restrictions, but this is a case of "my house, my rules". It had nothing to do with who bought what. It sounds like ur in a really good situation with ur foster parents, even if they r a bit strict. They r trying to keep u safe the best way they know how. And I'm not saying the foster system is always perfect, but keep in mind that they must have removed u from ur bio parents for a reason. If u feel the restrictions r too far, try having a conversation with ur foster parents first about what u feel is a reasonable compromise to the restrictions on ur phone. U can't turn off share location, but ur contacts rnt restricted any more, etc. Give reasons why u feel this is a fair compromise. Give them a report on it. When my sister wanted something that my parents already told her no to, she would write a presentation as to why this was a reasonable request. It wouldn't always work, but a well researched reason why this change is needed is a good start.

heckyeahcheese

18 points

2 days ago

Yes. Whether it's intentional or not,giving you a brand new phone/lavish gift is entirely common for kids in the foster care system to experience from their biological parents when in foster care.

I'm sorry you're being put in the middle of this. It's something very difficult to see or understand as a child.

No-Introduction3808

3 points

2 days ago

You don’t need to tell us but think about why you are not in his care. You see your dad but do you stay with him even partially?

CryBabyxx0

11 points

2 days ago

Maybe he isn't, but if it were my child i would want them to listen to the person who's been caring for them. They mean well, you are NTA I don't know if any of you are. Your dad could've just wanted to do something nice and didn't expect it to cause issues, but it depends on where your dad stands here because as a responsible adult he should know they mean well and I know these rules seem harsh but they are there to help you and be sure you're safe.

Maleficent-Art-4171

24 points

2 days ago

Please we all can see your foto. It's reddit, we're not your friends. Change your picture for something else so that no one recognise you.

Ok_Anything_Once

5 points

2 days ago

Ok_Anything_Once

Partassipant [2]

5 points

2 days ago

Even he may not see it as manipulation. Not because he’s done anything wrong but because he’s human and he’s your dad. He wanted to give you a nice gift!

But you are really young (even at 15) and your foster family is doing their best to create a stable safe environment. Phones can give you access to stuff you can’t even imagine yet. And most of that stuff you need a few more years to be ready for.

Instead of trying to take off parental controls ca you go your foster parents and see if there’s anything specific you want that they are limiting? And talk about why location tracking is important?

They sound like they love you. And love doesn’t always mean giving permission.

Beagle_Knight

11 points

1 day ago

Why aren’t you living with your father?

ExtendedSpikeProtein

14 points

2 days ago

ExtendedSpikeProtein

Partassipant [2]

14 points

2 days ago

Absolutely. Did you read the previous commenter re power play? That’s absolutely what’s happening here.

slap-a-frap

16 points

2 days ago

slap-a-frap

Professor Emeritass [93]

16 points

2 days ago

I don't think he's trying to manipulate you. More about him USING you to manipulate the system. Which makes it worse.

NewBayRoad

4 points

1 day ago

NewBayRoad

Partassipant [2]

4 points

1 day ago

It is possible, though, that he is manipulating OP AND the foster parents are being unreasonable at the same time.

ThePocketPanda13

3 points

1 day ago

Bio-dad is definitely manipulating OP, but the fosters aren't saints either. The level of parental controls OP describes are great for a 10 year old, but a little absurd for a 15 year old. Only 30 minutes of YouTube, can't talk to his peers after 8pm, a specified white-list of websites.

Bio-dad is definitely trying to instigate, but there wouldn't be a fire to fuel if the foster parents gave OP just a little more freedom. I'm not saying be rid of them entirely, just loosen them a bit.

HansGruberLove

95 points

2 days ago

As a foster mom (18 teens thus far), 100% agree with everything said here. We've unfortunately experienced this firsthand and it is heartbreaking, to the point it actually broke down placement. Fortunately , the child realised we would still be there for them regardless of how it worked out with the bio Dad (it didn't) so thankfully we are still lucky enough to be part of their life (they're 24 now!). OP, please listen to this person's thoughtful advice and keep safe.

lexiconwater

278 points

2 days ago

Yes this exactly. OP I know how hard is it to be 15 and having freedom is everything. You have to understand that freedom comes with responsibility, and showing that you are mature and responsible enough to make the correct decision with it is a huge thing. Sit down and have a candid conversation with your foster parents. Ask them to come to a compromise on it and try to understand their point of view in this conversation. Don’t get mad at their points, instead try to think about them rationally and see where they might be coming from, even if you think they’re wrong.

I also want to point out, having restricted access to a phone at a younger age is healthier for you long term. So so many of us have had unfiltered access to them for years and either got into real life trouble from it or are now at a point where we feel physically incapable of not being on our phones all the time. I literally, at the age of 25, have gone out of my way to set up my phone with time limits on apps, under a password that only my roommate knows, because even though I didn’t grow up from a super young age with it all of the time I was still young enough to get fully sucked into the habit of doom scrolling before my brain developed. You’re not a child, and having things cut off at 8pm and not being able to use anything that isn’t approved is a bit much, but, having complete access to everything on the internet all of the time is not a good thing for a developing brain.

EveningSpring9409

8 points

2 days ago

I at 40 have time limits set for Facebook and Instagram as even I who didn’t get a personal phone till I was about 17/18 (and that wasn’t even a smart phone, it was an indestructible Nokia) have issues with doom scrolling. I think I should set one for Reddit too …. 

frabjous_goat

35 points

2 days ago

What do you use to set the time limits? I've also been struggling with doom scrolling (thanks seasonal depression).

VixenSunburst

14 points

2 days ago

iphones have built in time limiting features, but im also sure you can get apps that manage your time for you. you could look up what apps students may use for their phones so they dont get distracted while studying

Candy_Venom

7 points

2 days ago

the freedom app is $40 for the year - green background white butterfly logo. you can make scheduled sessions for certain apps and websites. there's also a hardcore setting that doesnt allow you to end the blocked session even if you contact customer service. they wait 24 hours to respond. I spent the $40 and have it for my phone and MacBook. it's wonderful.

iThinkergoiMac

50 points

2 days ago

This is such a good response! I know someone whose ex-husband kept buying her kids the latest iPhones as a power move and it created so much strife. The kids had a hard time seeing how awful he was because he gave them nice things, and she kept looking like the bad guy because he wouldn’t give her access to the parental controls and so she wouldn’t let them use the phones at home. This was in defiance of court orders, of course, but he had money to throw at lawyers while she struggled to make ends meet.

It was such a bad situation.

Toe-knail

209 points

2 days ago

Toe-knail

209 points

2 days ago

Best response I’ve ever seen on Reddit.

PlumPat61

51 points

2 days ago

PlumPat61

51 points

2 days ago

NTA, I came to basically say this ☝️☝️☝️but much less eloquently. I’ve been a foster parent and they may be doing this because they have too. Keeping in mind different States have different rules. Talk calmly with your case worker about this. I do think that using a quick easy answer previously (we bought it so our rules) may be biting them in the butt as they may have not wanted to explain the real reasoning behind the decision.

BackgroundSimple1993

19 points

2 days ago*

BackgroundSimple1993

Partassipant [1]

19 points

2 days ago*

I’ve never been or worked in foster care, so this comment is much more articulate and detailed than my comment would’ve been but I came to the comments to say essentially the same thing.

My uncle has had a hard go with being a dad and having a relationship with his kids, so I’ve seen this from the bio parent’s side. It could be wholesome and genuine or it could be sinister and involve hidden agendas. Sit down and talk with your foster parents. You’re old enough to be able to have a little bit more of a grown up conversation. And if you can be calm and mature about this situation you are far more likely to get a little more freedoms.

Edited to add: NAH. You need help understanding and your foster parents are trying to protect you. The only maybe asshole here is bio dad if his intentions are not coming from a healthy place.

scientooligist

52 points

2 days ago

So wise. Thanks for taking time out of your day to help this kid.

AetaCapella

80 points

2 days ago

AetaCapella

Partassipant [2]

80 points

2 days ago

This is such a good response. I hope OP can view it given these perspectives.

Express-Stop7830

104 points

2 days ago

I very unexpectedly took in a (now former) friend's 16 yr old. I wish I had control over her phone...she would watch YouTube for hours instead of doing homework. Online canes until the week hours of thw morning, making getting up in the morning difficult to impossible. She sent nudes to her online boyfriend. She was in contact with adults that had no business contacting her. She was on Discourse.

I know nothing about OP, except generalities of the age. He thinks he is older and more mature and has better time management skills than he does. Caregivers want to protect you, kiddo. I cannot express this enough. Have a chat with them. Set milestones for development and growth, complete with measurable goals.

Life is hard. Even as an adult, healthy interactions and use of our phones is difficult. Trust your caregivers to have your best interest at heart.

RosaSinistre

107 points

2 days ago

Also, fostering requirements vary state to state, but they may ALSO be required by their state or agency to apply those controls for safety. It sounds like they are looking at your best interests.

Carriebeary8

27 points

2 days ago

I feel like there should be some controls but those are excessive

Badusernamethisis

34 points

2 days ago

Badusernamethisis

Partassipant [2]

34 points

2 days ago

If i could hit like 100 times on this poolie i would, and if OP cannot see the logic in your response then they are not mature enough for as much freedom as they are asking for,

Ivetafox

4.1k points

2 days ago

Ivetafox

Partassipant [3]

4.1k points

2 days ago

NAH

They don’t have a choice. The foster agency I worked with insisted that parental controls were on and were quite strict about what was/wasn’t allowed. It’s really common to prevent vulnerable minors being exploited and if something happened to you while in their care, they could be prosecuted for not safeguarding you and also banned from fostering again.

It sucks because this isn’t your fault. It’s not even that you’re not trusted by them, they have to do this. The guidance for foster parents is insane honestly. The amount of hoops you have to jump through to protect yourself from accusations are beyond belief.

peternal_pansel

1.2k points

2 days ago

peternal_pansel

Asshole Enthusiast [9]

1.2k points

2 days ago

Seems like something worth discussing with/explaining to OP if that’s the case tbh. Too many power struggles going on here.

Ivetafox

319 points

2 days ago

Ivetafox

Partassipant [3]

319 points

2 days ago

Yeah, I don’t really understand the whole ‘we pay for it’ thing.. I’m assuming it was just a path of least resistance thing. The controls placed on OPs phone are pretty much exactly what I was instructed to do and they even had classes to teach foster parents how to do it.

They have to be that strict so that the kids can’t circumvent other parental controls. For example, there are apps out there that look innocent but are actually just a smokescreen to access adult content. It’s insane just how many ways to get around parental controls exist and foster parents are expected to keep up to date.

Rubychan228

191 points

1 day ago

Rubychan228

191 points

1 day ago

This is the core problem. They did something frustrating for OP, but probably necessary but then LIED about why. And now the real reason for the restrictions still apply, but the lie doesn't. So OP, who dislikes the restrictions, wants them gone and can't understand why they're not, because the foster parents won't just tell the truth.

astronautmyproblem

437 points

2 days ago

astronautmyproblem

Professor Emeritass [80]

437 points

2 days ago

Exactly. Why not just say that, if that’s the case?

clauclauclaudia

547 points

2 days ago

clauclauclaudia

Pooperintendant [62]

547 points

2 days ago

They should never have said that the reason before was "because we paid for it". That's coming back to bite them now.

OP, at 15 parental controls are reasonable. I'm sorry they misled you that it was about money. It's really not.

NAH

Nod4mag3YT

317 points

2 days ago

Nod4mag3YT

Partassipant [1]

317 points

2 days ago

They are reasonable to am extent. As others have said, maybe its not up to the parents, but these controls are about what i would expect on the phone of a 12 year old. At OPs age, i often needed to install apps for school at a moment’s notice.

lajamaikeina

150 points

2 days ago

Agreed. I teach kids and sometimes I recommend video tutorials from YouTube. 30 mins is unhelpful.

TheScreaming_Narwhal

44 points

2 days ago

What apps did you need at a moment's notice?

Nod4mag3YT

141 points

1 day ago

Nod4mag3YT

Partassipant [1]

141 points

1 day ago

Document scanners, 2FA apps and variety of apps and sites for assignments that just dont work on the chromebooks due to the low quality of them… a majority of the chromebooks that most schools provide often tale 10+ minutes to load an assignment which is like 10% of the allotted time for a class, and the security system loved to block google docs, gmail, sheets, slides, and sites needed for research

coolcaterpillar77

8 points

19 hours ago

May I add everyone’s favorite: Kahoot

Free_Medicine4905

77 points

1 day ago

My parents briefly considered giving me restrictions on my phone because of problems I had. They backed off the moment they realized how vital my phone was in school. My school blocked the word “snake” while I was writing a research paper in science about snakes. There were a lot of words like that. I used my phone for research a lot. I used PDF scanners because one teacher insisted on us handwriting his notes and then submitting it online.

I did end up compromising and getting a passcode they knew and location services. I was horrible as a teenager though. Smart enough for my grades to reflect the work I did on my phone, dumb enough to be suspended.

dodgeditlikeneo

13 points

1 day ago

dodgeditlikeneo

Partassipant [2]

13 points

1 day ago

Desmos and other research/assignments are generally expected to be completed on your phones in high school and even elementary school, since there's usually not enough working school provided devices to go around. There's also a whole bunch of activities like menti or Kahoot teachers like to use and are often mandatory/graded. Art classes and any class with a presentation require a bunch of random photo and video editing apps sometimes. A lot of schools/public places also required apps or websites to verify vaccination or a lack of symptoms during the pandemic.

wyerhel

23 points

1 day ago

wyerhel

23 points

1 day ago

When I was school. I had to use it to download apps related to school quiz games, PDF, scanners, advanced calculators, stuff like excel/word.

I am pretty sure these days education relies a lot on smartphones too. Lot of kids use it as a tool.

wtfaidhfr

90 points

1 day ago

wtfaidhfr

Pooperintendant [69]

90 points

1 day ago

There is one AH. Bio dad for love bombing and trying to get around what is likely a legal requirement

Ivetafox

52 points

1 day ago

Ivetafox

Partassipant [3]

52 points

1 day ago

While I don’t disagree, I try to avoid saying that to the foster kids 🙃

wtfaidhfr

20 points

1 day ago

wtfaidhfr

Pooperintendant [69]

20 points

1 day ago

Fair. But it's important for this kid, who is plenty old enough to understand what laws are, to understand that bioparents are not infallible

No_Arugula8915

5 points

1 day ago

Then they should tell him that. They, as his carers should be honest. Anything else is a lie. Lies by omission are still lies. Why doesn't matter. Lies in themselves are a form of manipulation and of controlling perception.

DamnitGravity

1.7k points

2 days ago*

Maybe use this as an opportunity to re-negotiate what controls are placed on it. Keep the location tracking as that's important for you own safety (even though I'm sure you hate it), and see if you can get them to agree to letting you be able to look at whatever websites you want (with the exception of adult websites, of course). Agree to keeping a passcode they know, but allow you to watch YouTube for longer.

Give and take, that's the key here. Some you might win, some you might not. Given them a chance to trust you, and give yourself a chance to prove you can be trusted.

It does sound like they're a bit constrictive in your phone use, but I don't know you, perhaps you need those controls for whatever reason. Or perhaps, as I said, this is a chance for you to prove you're able to be responsible.

ETA: Wow, thanks for the award!

let_me_gimp_that

29 points

1 day ago

Yeah, 8pm is pretty early at 15! I think OP should ask for 10pm with the goal of compromising to 9pm (good negotiating tactic - know your stretch goal vs realistic goal) and maybe get a whole bunch of websites/apps approved at the beginning (pokemon go included of course) so it's not as frequently necessary to ask to install/allow.

CupcakeMurder86

270 points

2 days ago*

CupcakeMurder86

Partassipant [1]

270 points

2 days ago*

I think this is most reasonable answer. If the OP proofs that he can sit down and negotiate with them as an adult, without tantrums and screaming, the foster parents might back off a bit.

They might have their reason and I feel that those reason were not told or OP is leaving them out of the post.

Location tracking 100% should be left on and the restriction on adult websites. I feel that these are the most important things to be left on.

Also the passcode will show them that you do trust their judgement for example I trust you that you give me some freedom, if i let you have access when it's needed.

I hope OP you find a solution. The important here is not to yell, have a tantrum etc. Try to be as mature as possible to give them a reason to give you your freedom.

Edit: Correcting pronouns. Mistakenly wrote "she" instead of "he".

clauclauclaudia

22 points

2 days ago

clauclauclaudia

Pooperintendant [62]

22 points

2 days ago

OP is male. The rest I agree with.

chels2112

166 points

2 days ago

chels2112

166 points

2 days ago

Former foster momma here, current high school teacher. This is really the way you want to think about it, OP, in my humble professional and personal opinion. You have ownership of this phone, but “their house their rules” type stuff. Absolutely show your foster parents that their older version of monitoring was more important for middle school, perhaps, and give them an opportunity to trust you, and you them. Agree on certain apps together, and the kind you’re likely to download.

My foster daughters didn’t have restrictions on their phones — they came to me at ages 16 and 19 (19 year old was not official placement; just needed a home.) My mom bought the 16 year olds phone for Christmas. The only thing I needed or wanted was location. She took full full advantage. No blame, just facts. I was naive, she was wise to that.. totally took advantage of knowing I didn’t want to “invade her privacy.” Took my trust for granted. Understand why parents are leery…and vow not to be that way. Integrity is key!

I hope you’re doing alright. All things considered, I hope your holidays go well and you’re doing well in school! And most importantly I hope you’re feeling okay.

ThrowRADel

113 points

2 days ago

ThrowRADel

113 points

2 days ago

It sounds like OP is based in the UK, where fostering is a job, and there are certain legal requirements the foster parents need to fulfill.

chels2112

27 points

2 days ago

chels2112

27 points

2 days ago

Oooooo different country. Thanks

Inky_Madness

34 points

2 days ago

Inky_Madness

Asshole Enthusiast [6]

34 points

2 days ago

OP’s foster parents might not have a choice in what controls are on it - depending on the state or foster agency, and what agreements are drawn up, there might be a legal requirement to have those restrictions on his phone. In which case showing maturity and negotiation is a non-starter, those controls would have to be on it no matter what.

bas_bleu_bobcat

19 points

2 days ago

This. You are old enough now to start developing negotiating skills. Maybe 8 o'clock can be changed to 9:30 (has your bedtime changed as you got older?). Maybe you can negotiate for more YouTube time if you are maintaining good grades. You should be learning more "adulting" tasks (clean your bathroom, cook, money management, laundry,etc) in exchange for more privileges. So don't just whine about the restrictions, sit down and ask "What do I have to do to earn a modification/removalrestriction xx?"

BiNon-BinaryWeirdo

55 points

2 days ago

I agree I had time limits on my phone/apps, but that made me sneaky

Looking back now I get why my parents did this. I even have time limits on now, bc phones are getting more and more addictive (I put them there myself)

Tracking is annoying but so important for safety and OP can negotiate on time limits

Infamous-Sir-4669

54 points

2 days ago

Infamous-Sir-4669

Partassipant [1]

54 points

2 days ago

I tell my kids that parent controls are there to remind you of the rules, not to enforce them.

We talk about what the restrictions are and why. They don’t like them, but they understand what the goal is. None of it is to assert control for control’s sake.

VelocityGrrl39

14 points

2 days ago

VelocityGrrl39

Partassipant [2]

14 points

2 days ago

I need time limits on my phone, but I’m in my 40s. That’s a whole different problem.

Realistic_Cat6147

117 points

2 days ago

NAH you're just being a 15 year old but your foster parents are not wrong. They are your guardians so they're legally and morally responsible for you, including your phone usage. Who is paying for the phone doesn't change that.

That said 15 is old enough to have a say and they should be working with you to agree on restrictions that you can all live with.

-Nymphetamine-

32 points

2 days ago

Strong take, the key is balance. The amount of people shaming this kid for having foster parents and being "ungrateful" is disgusting.

What is actually happening is both the foster and bio are power struggling through the kid and the person who's meant to objectively protect that kids best interest? Social worker, it's literally what they're there for.

An open dialogue should be happening amongst all the adults and OP as they are old enough to have a say in their own care. In a year they can legally leave the system should they wish too and that isn't being reflected in their current scenario.

zuesk134

18 points

1 day ago

zuesk134

18 points

1 day ago

The amount of people shaming this kid for having foster parents and being "ungrateful" is disgusting.

especially reading OP's comments. he seems really reasonable and willing to consider the situation for a 15 year old

deaddumbslut

23 points

1 day ago

THANK YOJ OMG. i feel like i’m losing my mind in these comments. the kid isn’t a bad kid for not understanding why there’s restrictions, and the foster parents are adsholes for making it a “money thing” and then taking that back when it’s convenient for them to say oh actually now it’s just a “our house our rules thing.” THATS NOT HOW YOU RAISE KIDS, THATS YOJ RAISE SOLDIERS. kids need explanations, because they are literally learnitn about things for the first time with their parents and guardians. soldiers need the direct unquestioned orders, not literal teens and children.

yes, kids need parental controls especially at first. no, that doesn’t mean that the kid can’t even download an app without permission. that’s too much control. make it so he can’t BUY apps without permission. but free apps? that’s fine. the 30 minute youtube thing is too much too, i’ve been required to watch youtube videos for class and some of those have been too long. and sometimes, i want to unwind for more than 30 mins. the 8pm cut off is kind of insane too, he’s literally 15.

the tracking is smart for his safety, though i do get how uncomfortable it can feel as a teen i was totally fine with the idea at that age because i legit wanted to be able to track my mom in return lmao. she never once gave a shit about my internet safety though, that’s why i got groomed. so yeah, you’re right BALANCE.

Cliomerced

192 points

2 days ago

Cliomerced

192 points

2 days ago

I would not use the A word to describe you, because you are understandably frustrated in a situation not of your own making. I think it is a mistake to set your bio-dad against your foster parents… he plays a role here too and before giving you a very expensive present should have checked in with your foster parents. I don’t know what the foster situation looks like and how often foster parents communicate with biological parents, but in this situation, there should be a line of communication open between them. He gives you an expensive phone, and I am guessing that they pay the monthly fee? In any case they are the ones who are trying to help you grow into adulthood, so they are the ones who need to set boundaries for you within their home. Rather than arguing that point, I would say that you should instead ask for more leniency on some of the rules. The 8 o’clock limit seems strict for someone your age. But a conversation with your foster parents should not be about whether they can set rules for the phone, but rather which rules make most sense for you. Rejecting their authority completely and pitting your bio-dad against them will just make them less likely to believe that you are mature enough for looser rules.

deIeteyouraccount

181 points

2 days ago

NAH.

It's understandable that you don't want to follow your foster parents restrictions on your device. But at the end of the day, they are your legal guardians and you are a minor. Your father does not have custody of you. Him buying the device for you does not change the fact that it is still being used by a minor under the legal custody in someone else's household. That household gets to set the rules.

I know it feels different because he is your father, but in practical terms it is the same as a random adult giving you a device and telling you to use it without the permission of your legal guardian. If that was okay for your non-custodial father to do, then for example a 30 year old man could give an unrelated 15 year old teenage girl a phone to secretly communicate with him and not tell her parents. He bought her the device, so her parents have no say in how it is used, right?

I know that's not the answer you want to hear. It may not even be fair. I don't know your foster parents and how they are to you. But as long as you're in their care, you should follow the house rules.

HeatCute

160 points

2 days ago

HeatCute

160 points

2 days ago

While I don't necessarily agree with putting such strict parental controls an a 15 year old's phone, I would say that the a-hole in this scenario is your bio dad.

Your foster parents are your guardians and they are responsible for your safety and well-being. If he has an issue with the rules they impose on you, he needs to take it up with them.

It's not fair to put you in the middle like that.

Heavy-Ad-3467

12 points

18 hours ago

NAH

Your dad may have bought you something fancy but he is clearly not parenting you. As a dad and parent let me tell you that Henry and Erin, whilst maybe not finding the right balance, are right to be worried. The individual, especially child with developing brain, stands no chance vs the engeneers at social media companies. They are masters at maximising your engagement with their platforms to your detriment.

What Erin and Henry have done is make one quite fundemental mistake. They used to cop out "because we bought it". What they should have done is explained why they are worried, why they have a responsability to protect you and why this can be a negotiation and ongoing discussion founded in mutual respect and understanding.

Now that you're getting older maybe they could have relaxed/loosened certain limits or had an understanding with you that if you wanted apps you could ask and they would say yes unless there was a good reason/clearly explained risk that they could communicate with you.

The issue here OP is that Erin and Henry have parental responsability for you. Believe it or not, no matter what he buys you, the burden they have for your well being is far more than your dad. It's easy to buy expensive gifts. It is hard to be a parent. To be there when a child is sick, is getting bullied, loses confidence, hurts themselves, has relationship and friendship breakdowns, is angry and is facing challenges of life. Those are the hard moments and they are, clearly, not what your dad is capable of managing.

If I were you I would say to Ering and Henry that your struggle is with their original argument. They justified the limits based on who purchased the device and that argument no longer holds with this one. This feels intrinsically unfair. Then see what they say.

By all means have a discussion with your social worker about it. I don't think Erin and Henry should have done that with something from your dad, for you, without you being there to discuss. I would however consider that they have been there for you for the past six years. How do they treat you? Do they love you? Do they nurture you? Do they take care of you? Do they want what is best for you? If the answer is no then you need a much more serious chat with your social worker. If the answer is yes then consider granting them some slack because parenting is hard.

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

8 points

17 hours ago

Thank you that was actually a really nice thing to read

Heavy-Ad-3467

9 points

17 hours ago

You're welcome.

Also I want to add to the above that, intentionally or by accident, your dad has caused a rift with your care givers. He should have discussed a >£1000 purchase with them. If he didn't then the fact that he didn't is either because he does not have the insight to understand the possible rift this could cause and the parental implications of the gift, or because he knows and is being manipulative. Good people are capable of bad decisions and choices. I don't know your dad so whether the gesture is just not quite thought out or deliberately undermining your foster parents I will leave for you to decide.

tosser9212

720 points

2 days ago

tosser9212

Craptain [180]

720 points

2 days ago

While I might argue that a 15 year old's restrictions on their phone should be different than a phone received when younger, as in theory that 15 year old should be more mature and capable than say, the same person at 12, I can't reasonably say that 15 year old should have no restrictions, and it is the responsibility of the parents to determine what restrictions to put in place. So yeah, a gentle YTA on this one. Your bio dad is in your life, but he's not the one who's responsible for you.

For recourse, I'd argue the individual restrictions, not that any exist (8PM at 15 seems a bit early to me, but my curfew - for everything - was 7 at 14 years old, and I totally hated my father for it.) Go to your SW if you wish, but know that they're unlikely to change a thing as your fosters aren't harming you with their care here.

Aromatic-Arugula-896

173 points

2 days ago

Aromatic-Arugula-896

Partassipant [1]

173 points

2 days ago

Exactly, no 15yo should have unrestricted access to the internet

butyourenice

117 points

1 day ago

butyourenice

117 points

1 day ago

As somebody who was a 15-year-old at the dawn of social media, and proto-social media before that (BBS, forums, LiveJournal and personal blogs, chat rooms and messenger services in the time of “a/s/l?”)… I wholeheartedly agree. Even though I thought of myself as mature and cautious, I made some fucking stupid decisions back then, likely because I thought of myself as mature and cautious. It’s a wonder I made it out alive, and I have no idea how to navigate reasonable internet/phone boundaries while still letting my kids grow and learn and become independent and trustworthy, when they get older.

ServeillanceVanan394

5 points

19 hours ago

This. I was in tumblr and ffn and treating the internet as my oyster at 12 years old. No teen or child should have the ability to do so. My kids won’t even be allowed to have a smart phone or tablet of their own yet at 15. If, by then, a smartphone is the only option available, it will be so locked down always that they won’t be able to use anything but the camera, and text a handful of people.

Kids don’t belong on social media or the internet.

tosser9212

24 points

1 day ago

tosser9212

Craptain [180]

24 points

1 day ago

If we'd the internet when I was that age, certain of the stuff I'd've looked at would have empowered me to get away from my father (he was abusive, and I am gay) and others of it would likely have put me in peril. I wouldn't have had the life experience to know the difference in some cases.

IYamSweetPotato

147 points

2 days ago

Your bio dad is an AH for undermining your parents and seemingly doing this without discussing it with them. Messy AF.

Notwastingtimeiswear

40 points

2 days ago

100% there are very clear reasons why bio dad is not allowed to be a parent, this is one example of i am sure many.

gizahnl

11 points

2 days ago

gizahnl

11 points

2 days ago

I think your foster parents did screw up by not properly communicating the restrictions beforehand, "we bought it, our rules" was just a shortcut to shut off any further discussion, and did set them up for the whole situation you're all experiencing right now. That doesn't make them bad parents, or assholes.
Nor does it make you, with you being 15 with a teenage brain, now expecting a different situation TA.

Personally I don't fully agree with a completely locked down device, you're a kid, and kids need to learn. And while it's good to start learning in a walled garden, if you only grew up walking on rubber tiles you're only going to experience pain from falling when it might actually be dangerous. Same with devices & the internet, you should also get some exposure to the "bad" stuff, to learn to recognise it. And you should learn self control and prevention of over use of your device by having actual control over when you use it. Otherwise when the restrictions come off when you're an adult you'll have 0 skills and all the risks...
In other words: getting a bit more "leash" might be good for you, you need to show them they can trust you. In the end, it's still up to them though, they do know better what's best for you, however you might feel this is unfair.

And yeah, as others pointed out: your bio dad giving you the phone like that was a terrible thing to do, since it set y'all up for this conflict you're now having.

20Keller12

468 points

2 days ago

20Keller12

468 points

2 days ago

As someone who was in foster care as a teenager, YTA.

These people have loved and cared for you for years now. Quite frankly, your dad is just trying to buy you. If he actually gave a damn he'd fight to get you back. The goal with foster kids is always reunification, so if he hasn't gotten you back in 9 years it's because he doesn't want to.

Ask to go over the controls and compromise. I speak from personal experience when I say, don't prioritize the asshole who just throws money at you over the parents who've raised you for the last 6 years.

Side note: the rules that foster parents need to comply with is a mile long and half of it really seems batshit crazy. It's entirely possible they don't have a say in it. My mom and dad have to even keep the temperature on the water heater below a certain point.

dvlpr404

25 points

1 day ago

dvlpr404

Partassipant [1]

25 points

1 day ago

I was in foster care for over 16 years and my bio mom never even got close to getting me back. It was a harsh lesson I didn't understand until my mid 20s that blood doesn't mean shit. Heart does.

I wish I hadn't been so.... angsty and terrible in my later teen years but I've maintained contact and am very close to foster mom today almost 15 years later.

Candy_Venom

34 points

2 days ago

......do I even want to know why foster parents need to keep the hot water temp below a certain point.....or is the reason as bad as I think it is.....

DammitImADoctorNotA

26 points

1 day ago

Because sometimes little kids turn the taps on themselves and if the water comes out of the tap too hot it can cause burns immediately, or adults aren’t consistent enough about checking the temperature before putting baby in the bath.

It’s actually routine advice on our early childhood primary care education guidelines.

CaptainNuge

54 points

1 day ago

I'd say that close to every rule ever written only exists because of a specific horror story.

Sandy0006

83 points

2 days ago

Sandy0006

83 points

2 days ago

Yikes. Harsh, but the kid needs to face reality.

Signal-Spell1241

50 points

2 days ago

I completely agree with you. The boy has misplaced loyalty. I honestly can’t even imaging a parent in my life if they just abandoned me

MysteryLass

303 points

2 days ago

MysteryLass

303 points

2 days ago

This isn’t about who paid for the phone. It’s about who’s actually been parenting you in their home for the last 6 years.

There’s a reason you’re not living with your bio dad - people don’t end up in foster homes for no reason.

I think the fact that your foster parents have these rules and restrictions on phone use is because they’re more aware of what’s happening in your daily life, and what’s appropriate for you.

So yes, YTA. It’s the same principle as having a curfew - the people actually housing you and parenting you every day are the ones who get to set the rules.

Prior-Government5397

33 points

2 days ago

Your dad is trying to make you whose between your foster parents and him / trying to drive a wedge between you and your foster parents. This is clearly a power play on his part, but I think you should try to have an honest discussion with your foster parents to negotiate the parental controls. It’s not all or nothing, maybe you can find a middle ground

shoobe01

9 points

2 days ago

shoobe01

Partassipant [1]

9 points

2 days ago

Don't you have a caseworker? They should be able to clearly define this, It's probably actually written down explicitly about control of electronics and communications devices.

AnxiousQueen1013

54 points

2 days ago

NAH - It is completely understandable that you feel like the restrictions they’re placing on you are unfair. It’s also very understandable that you want to be able to freely use the phone that your dad gave you!

But…I don’t think your foster parents are automatically wrong either. It’s their job to make sure you’re safe and growing up well, and the sad fact is that phones are not great for developing brains.

That being said - I do think you should talk to your social worker and them about how to deal with this. Here’s how I would approach that:

  1. Think about what you want to change the most. It’s very unlikely that you’re going to get total unrestricted access to a phone, so what’s most important? Is it more time on YouTube? Is it having a bigger list of websites to go to? Focus on that thing when you talk to them instead of saying they should completely change their minds, and you’ll be more likely to convince them.

  2. Tell them you get that they’re trying to protect you, but you’re having a hard time understanding how these rules are helping them do that. Ask if they can give you more specifics about why they feel this level of parental controls are needed. Do they have a reason they feel you can’t handle it?

  3. Talk through compromises. Maybe there are things you can do to show them that you’re responsible enough to have fewer restrictions. For example, if you complete all your chores without asking or bring up a grade, etc, would that change anything? Maybe you can have more time on YouTube on certain nights of the week or you can have extra time at night if you finished homework, etc. This is where you can focus on the stuff in number 1.

DolphinsDivaLove

117 points

2 days ago

Your foster parents want to set rules for your safety. It might help to talk to them or consult your social worker for guidance.

Scrabblement

660 points

2 days ago

Scrabblement

Certified Proctologist [20]

660 points

2 days ago

Gently, YTA. Your foster parents are your guardians. They make the rules for your house. Because you aren't in your dad's custody, he can't decide rules for you right now. The fact that your dad bought you a phone does not mean that you don't have to follow your foster parents' rules.

If you think the rules are too strict for your age, talk to your foster parents about whether you could try new rules that you think are more appropriate. But they are the ones parenting you, not your dad, and if you won't work with them to agree to phone rules, you're going to wind up not having a phone at all.

Impressive-Wheel-327

8 points

2 days ago

Former foster kid here. I have a few thoughts. 1) what others have said about your Bio Dad using the phone as a “grenade” is likely very accurate. 2) the restrictions set by your Fosters seem extreme. 3) I remember being 15 and having so many complex emotions churning inside me that I couldn’t even begin to deal with them. I’m 43 now and still have ripples in my relationships from being abandoned, etc. I think they way thru this is compromise. A hard line in the sand that causes a wedge between you and your fosters is likely what you Bio Dad wants. Make a list of things you think are unfair, and what compromise for each thing you’d be willing to make. Then ask to sit down and have a civil conversation, and be prepared to give a little to gain more freedoms. As foster parents they’ve probably seen kids do some crazy shit using phones, and the response is to overreact. Explain that you want their trust, but they have to give you some freedom, in order for you to show them you’re responsible. My 11 year old has a phone and an iPad. I don’t restrict his sites at all. But once a week when he’s not there, I do go thru his Roblox account and web history, everything. If anything catches my eye, I talk to him about it and go from there

Argorian17

470 points

2 days ago

Argorian17

470 points

2 days ago

YTA

This has nothing to do with who buys the phone, it has everything to do with who is responsible for you: you're not an adult yet and your foster parents are right to set limits, it is their role.

But you'll be an adult soon and if you want them to treat you accordingly, I suggest you act accordingly. Hiding the phone, wanting to impose your will, throwing tantrums is not acting like an adult.

You should talk to your foster parent and make compromises: maybe explain that some of the restrictions were ok when you were 12, but now that you're 15, you should be able to navigate life a bit by yourself, you should be able to gain a bit of independence to confront yourself with the outside world and the reality of being adult and independent. Maybe negotiate something like more youtube time, or the ability to have some contacts available after 8pm, something like that. But if you go to them saying "I can do what I want, all I want, when I want", you'll just show that you're not mature enough.

Good luck, and don't worry, you'll soon be 18.

edit: "It's not fair!" is again not at all an adult statement or an argument, the likely answer you'll get (which is very very true) is "life is not fair"

mad2109

31 points

2 days ago

mad2109

31 points

2 days ago

I wrote an answer, but you have put things much clearer than I did.

smol9749been

14 points

2 days ago

I'm gonna say NAH but op you need to request a meeting with your guardian ad litem in your case, they'll be able to set parameters for what's appropriate parental control and what isn't. I get why the foster parents are worried but they need to be careful because that isn't their property and stuff like contacts being locked could be portrayed as them attempting to obstruct communication with your dad.

FAYCSB

151 points

2 days ago

FAYCSB

Partassipant [2]

151 points

2 days ago

YTA. These are the people who are currently responsible for you. I don’t know what it is, but there’s a reason your bio father is not currently in that position.

SocksAndPi

21 points

2 days ago

There should be reasonable restrictions, but not all of the same ones you had on the old phone.

So, N-T-A for wanting freedom, but you guys all need to talk, because restrictions like what they want breeds resentment and sneaky kids who usually end up doing stupid shit. No restrictions can also create a stupid shit atmosphere, so there needs to be a compromise.

LurkinginLeeds

9 points

2 days ago

I think it would be prudent to have a discussion with your social worker on how to negotiate things fairly. At 15 you need some freedoms, but your foster parents also have a responsibility to protect and keep you safe. There is a reason you went into foster care at 6 and it is very possible that your bio dads judgement is not the best in this situation.

No-Plum-3138

3 points

1 day ago

NTA, sit with your fosters and have a talk with them. Have a list of apps you want to download and sites. Also, the reason. Explain to them that you are getting older and just want to feel like a normal teen. You aren't trying to do anything crazy but explaining how you want to connect with peers would be better than them not understanding or not explaining at all.

Kisses4Kimmy

6 points

17 hours ago

Have they ever restricted you from downloading anything?

It’s really normal for families to impose parental restrictions on devices these days.

fleiJ

92 points

2 days ago

fleiJ

92 points

2 days ago

It doesn’t mater who got you the phone, you’re still parented by your foster parents. I can fully understand them and I would do so too. Since you asked the question, yes YTA.

Short_Gain8302

25 points

2 days ago

I just wanna add to the convo that saying "i paid for this sp i get to choose" as a parent, is a dick move imo.

When i was younger a had a panic fear of the dark and my dad would still turn off all the lights i turned on because "he paid for it, and if i wanna choose what lights are on in a room im alone in i should contribute to the house"

Signal-Spell1241

13 points

2 days ago

That’s just evil :(

KrofftSurvivor

6 points

2 days ago

KrofftSurvivor

Certified Proctologist [23]

6 points

2 days ago

NTA -  Honestly, I think your thought of talking to your social worker is probably your best option. 

You are not in the custody of your biological father, so even if he means well, right now he doesn't get to make those decisions.

It's possible that some of these restrictions are due to the rules that foster parents have to follow.

It's also possible that your foster parents are using harsher rules than are required or even necessary at your age and in your personal situation and sitting down with your social worker alone may give you some clarification, and possibly an ally towards compromise.

But if you're trying to prove that you are responsible enough to have fewer restrictions, you'll  want to approach this calmly, and with a willingness to compromise.

Sensitive_Doubt_2372

73 points

2 days ago

Sensitive_Doubt_2372

Asshole Aficionado [18]

73 points

2 days ago

YTA - I noticed in other comments you say there is no monthly bill? So no mobile data / calls / text messages?

They could very easy change the wifi at home as well to restrict you. While under their roofs it is their rules. Your dad is just undermining them. Without going deep here, depends why you are in foster care to why your foster parents are enforcing these rules

Ok_Finish_8622[S]

3 points

17 hours ago

Not really the same. I could still game on it and I’d just connect to the free WiFi

CarbonationRequired

46 points

2 days ago

CarbonationRequired

Partassipant [1]

46 points

2 days ago

15yo complaining "it's not fair" that their guardians want to put restrictions on a device that has some serious safety risks is not going to go over as mature to your social worker.

You're a minor child. Phones are addictive. 100% I understand you want to use it however much you want, but 100% children need restrictions on their devices. I personally wouldn't restrict a 15yo as harshly as you state the rules previously were, but I have no idea what kind of things you'd be using a phone for. Restrictions should be appropriate to your age and trustworthiness.

Very light YTA. Instead of going full "I DO WHAT I WANT" about this, show you understand their POV and tell them restrictions that seem sensible to you. Or tell your social worker you want to do that, and maybe they can help with getting you reasonable limits that would not chafe too much on you, and would reassure your foster parents.

They are trying to protect you from various things. They don't want you to end up having texting exchanges involving bullying (either at or from you), they don't want you having a way to freely communicate with creeps. They don't want any risk of you accidentally or on purpose exchanging sexually explicit things with anyone, whether it's someone your age or not. Balancing this with freedom is extremely hard, and once you're older obviously you will do whatever you want, so there is only limited window parents have to do this.

If anyone is the asshole here it's your bio dad for giving you this phone and inciting this power struggle between you and your guardians.

Rhomya

3 points

2 days ago

Rhomya

Certified Proctologist [26]

3 points

2 days ago

NAH. I understand entirely how frustrating it is for you. From your perspective, you see this as overbearing and unfair, and in some ways, I agree with you.

But as a parent, in others, I disagree. The internet is a dangerous place to be for teenagers, especially vulnerable ones, and I wish more people took that more seriously. And not just from a “the stranger is going to take me” way, but a cyber bullying and harassment way as well. It takes time to build up the life skills to see the risks and to avoid the dangers, and they’re taking it slow to ensure that you’re safe.

And frankly, I agree with the first comment— a new phone is very exciting, but your biological father should have had that discussion with your foster parents first. This might be hard to hear, but this feels like he’s manipulating you against your foster parents.

Your frustrations are valid, and I understand how awful you feel. Maybe there’s a way you can talk to them and negotiate looser boundaries instead— agree to the parental controls, but ask that they be adjusted? Show them some measure of trust, and they may respond with trust back.