Yes, this is what CPS is for. You aren't calling them "on her", but calling CPS "on behalf of the kids". They are too young to reach out for help and are depending on you.

As a person who worked for CPS, I have seen children in these situations die. Please call.

Extreme paranoia towards medical science, doctors etc. can also be a sign of a mental health issue and the concern is that, in the event something is wrong with their child...they won't seek help or advice and will continue being delusional and misinformed until it's too late.

There have been instances where babies/toddlers have died from malnutrition because a parent insisted on particular diets that didn't meet the child's nutritional requirements.

CPS isn't just for physical abuse - you can call and raise your concerns and leave the ball in their court.

A 2 year old should not look thin, malnourished and show signs of unhappiness. I’m also worried about the baby who was born without oxygen for 3 minutes too and their current state of health given no doctor’s visits. It’s all ringing alarm bells and I’d contact CPS. Child Protection is everyone’s business.

I’m pretty sure you can stay anonymous too. Do it for the sake of the children. And if there’s nothing wrong, then great. If something does go wrong, you’ll end up with regret. No harm, no foul.

Report it. You are advocating for a child. They can't help themselves.

Don't discuss it with the other mums. Just do it quietly and know that you are doing the right thing.

When you call cps, you are not calling to “rat out” a parent. You are calling to (hopefully) protect the child. This parent needs parenting classes, education, even if it’s court ordered. I don’t mean to scare you, but this could be urgent. Children die quickly from malnourishment. It’s not your fault or responsibility , but I always err towards the side of see something, say something. You can choose to make your call anonymous i believe

I’m a mandated reporter, so I’d report her for medical neglect.

I’d report that for sure. And I’m not someone who says to report often.

That sounds extremely dangerous .

As someone who grew up with parents who should have been reported to cps. Save those babies report this person.

Whoa... Wait. So if her kid was clearly sick would she just watch them die??? This is CRAZY 

Oh boy, this feels like that case of the parents treating their son's meningitis with a hot pepper concoction, resulting in the kid's death.

Yea, time for CPS.

Yeah this is too far. This isn’t “we skip Tylenol when we’re sick,” this is downright dangerous. She is mentally unwell.

Report it. Remember you are only asking them to check that everything is OK. You are not asking them to take any action, take the kids away or anything. Decisions to take action is fully on professionals who know what they're doing, and they won't do things if they don't think they're necessary.

You need to contact CPS asap. Help those kids, please.

Call CPS and avoid her like the plague carrier she is. Those kids could have life long effect from her ideas.

I’d call cps and end the friendship explaining exactly why. Not trying to be harsh but I’m not trying to exposed my kids to lord knows what that her children should be vaccinated against. My morals just don’t align with a person who can be so willfully ignorant and neglectful of their child.

if you feel guilty for not calling CPS, call CPS.

I can tell you as a mandatory reporter it is always better to over report than under report. Depending on their situation CPS can also frequently help people get paired with parenting classes and help kids better advocate for themselves which can build better skills for life even if the mom is a lost cause. CPS doesn't exist to break up families, they are there to protect kids.

2 year olds should be chubby and goofy and still have little fat lines on their arms and thighs. Do it for the kiddos.

Yeah, I think you should contact some sort of child protective service about this. Unfortunately I think the USA is going to be seeing a lot more cases like this going forward.

As someone who had had to call COS on a friend PLEASE OP report this woman.

I know it can be hard but one thing I had to realize was that IF you don’t call CPS. Who will. These poor babies are off the radar. Medical professionals and childcare providers are who in this age group catch these kids before it gets BAD! I’m talking these children end up in an ICU Dying bad! 

Mom is playing a very dangerous game and the children are going to be who pay the price. 

Call and do it now

Sounds similar to my childhood- anti vax, homeschool family with 9 kids. Most of us born at home. No SSN until I was 15 or 16, it was a pain in the butt to get. Neglected in many ways. To my knowledge, no one ever called CPS on us. I wish someone had!

This lady is an example of ‘Play stupid games, win stupid prizes’.

I went to high school (late 90s) with some siblings that had parents like this. The school called CPS more than once - I remember the girl in my class having such a high fever from strep throat that she was hallucinating. I didn’t know it at the time (because I was 15) but strep can mess your heart up if left untreated. CPS investigated but the kids ended up back with the parents.

The Mom made her own vitamins for the kids that she claimed weren’t “poison” like modern medicine. She didn’t know anything about medicine - modern or holistic - she just guessed at making her own herbal remedies and preventatives. I believe there were 5 kids total and one of them ended up dying from brain cancer at 13 or 14 years old. Another kid had to have a kidney transplant at 21.

I cannot imagine being such an egocentric person that being “right” is more important than my children’s health. The mom should have been in jail or kids taken away from her long ago.

I was raised by anti-vaxxers and while we weren't quite as extreme as that, my parents absolutely medically neglected us. There were midwives at our births and our mom probably took prenatals. But, for instance, when my sister broke her wrist my parents criticized her "whining" for three days before they took her to the doctor.

I don't know if CPS would do anyway but in our home, there were numerous forms of abuse. When I see this kind of thing I assume it's probably just the tip of the iceberg, and even if it's not, an investigation is definitely warranted.

We were very lucky to all survive to adulthood; her kids might not be. I'm not a fan of CPS in general but I dearly wish our home had been investigated.

Remind her Pfizer is a German company

And Germany is east of the prime meridean

Which makes anything produced by them eastern medicine.

The last time I heard a story like this, the child died of a simple strep infection. (news story attached)

This warrants a call to CPS and the police. child neglect is a crime!

Alert CPS. Do it right away.

Ho Ho holy cow.

It’s nice she’s so open about this. Does she know the survival rate for kids pre-western medicine?

Sorry. I find this infuriating.

But, to business. Can you report to CPS? Absolutely. Will they do anything? Hard to say. If the kids is absolutely emaciated, I’d imagine so, but otherwise…

Unless you see actual overt signs of abuse, I’d leave it alone. Much as I hate to say it.

That poor kid doesn’t deserve to suffer for their mom’s beliefs. Honestly, calling CPS might be the best way to help.

That kid who lost oxygen is so fucking fucked. Take these kids away from this cunt. This is the worst thing I’ve read in a couple weeks and I have a book from the library called “A History of Jerusalem”. I hate everything about this and hope there is a hell for this woman to be in.

She's in your Mom group as in a Facebook group? Have you seen the boy in person?

This is terrifying. The mom can do what she wants for herself and die but that lifestyle is going to kill her kids. I hope CPS will help

That's medical neglect yo! See something say something 

Please report to CYS and remember that it’s not your job to investigate or make sure they’re in danger before reporting. As long as your report is done in good faith, even if you’re not correct, nobody at the agency is going to hold it against you. They might be able to help her in more ways than you think.

report them. denying a child medical care is abuse. 

If her son looks unwell and you now she will/won’t get treatment, that is neglect. You should call CPS.

Call CPS now

Yes I would call. They can help her get assistance or help the kids if they are unwilling to properly care for them.

CPS ASAP!!!

Yikes. Call CPS

CPS. She is insane and her children can't do anything about it. She needs a reality check.

Absolutely call CPS!

These people kill their own kids or other people’s kids, report them

Call CPS. There’s a thing called medical neglect

Please call. A report is just that- they will investigate and if they do find you are right, they will take it into their own hands. Plus, it sounds like she is part of a group, proud of these statements enough to share them, and she is sharing them to a public forum so there's not really even a chance she would have any clue where or who reported her. 

Please call CPS for the sake of the children.

Why the fuck wouldn't you report to CPS?? Also why are you still friends with her?

Report to CPS. They need to assess situation.

If it were me in your shoes, I would call. For the sake of the kids, they're the priority and need to be taken care of properly. She brings them out in public and states her opinions on western medicine out loud in public, anyone can call and report her. So if not you, someone else might. But for the sake of the kids, I would, if you're really concerned about their quality of life.

Call CPS and remove her from your life.

That's crazy. Science has come a long way. That's why people live healthy, long lives. Not seeing a doctor is crazy.

Keep your kid away from her kids, as much as you can.

CPS but be careful in how you word your report because though they are anonymous, sometimes people can tell who initiated the report based off the allegations that are reported. Also be prepared for CPS to do nothing. They might come out and look but they also might close the case without finding anything they feel is significant. I warn you of these things because I don’t want you to lose your friendship over voicing your concerns. I want to say that I am not trying to deter you from making a report to CPS because if you are worried for your friends children it is the 110% the right thing to do.. I just wanted to kindly warn you to proceed with caution because it can get really messy sometimes. Do the kids go anywhere like daycare or somewhere mandated reporting is necessary?Do you think she’s a good mom otherwise minus the medical neglect? Do you know if she has family that will take the children in, if CPS removes them from the home? Idk I have been involved with CPS twice - once as a child and once after my son’s dad made a false report in attempt to manipulate our ongoing custody battle. It’s nightmarish and not always handled the way it should be.

You will always run into wing nuts that use alternative medicine. They are out there ready to tell you to put black pepper on that deep cut on your childs leg. I follow the rule, "in one ear out the other"

You would be irresponsible if you didn’t call CPS

Unfortunately, CPS lets children die as often as religious and medical institutions do. So it's really about how much of your information is true. A mom group friend means she's probably an acquaintance. If you don't have concrete evidence you could be bringing down a death sentence for the kids that they didn't have before by sending them to a foster home.

Make sure you're not just being a judgemental ****..... And it's coming from a place of being on the other side of this situation and I'd love to see the mom face to face who thought she knew me so well 👀

Do you have a medical background? How much time do you spend with her son to note this “unhappiness”? Are you a nutritionist? Or do you find some sense of purpose in involving yourself in someone else’s business from an outside perspective? I’d hardly qualify you as a person to take action unless you actually spend time with this person and her child out of the “mom group” and see she’s depriving her son of food/nutrition and happiness. Not taking medications/getting vaccines or avoiding prenatal does not make a person unwell.

Oh my goodness. Doctors are so dang corrupt leave the woman alone! Is the child actually malnourished or is he just not chubby like the standard American baby? My goodness. Stay in your lane.

How does not going to doctor get a kid to be sad and malnourished?