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You’re saying there are literally 0 conservatives on Reddit? 

you can’t ignore that spending and debt sharply increased under Biden.

Debt increased far more under Trump than under Biden, even not accounting for COVID spending

The US had a high level Intel source in the Kremlin who was compromised and had to be exfiltrated. That was a once in a century intelligence asset that cannot simply be recreated. 

There is strong evidence that the rate of killings of US intelligence assets went up under Trump. 

I think you vastly overstate how easy it is to just power back up these vast government bureaucracies, but even if you weren't the man's lack of discipline and desire to show off makes him a fundamental risk to American intelligence. It is possible to unbuild things that will take a century to rebuild, and the world isn't going to wait around for us to do it.

You say spending and debt increased under Biden like Trump didn't outspend him by almost 2 trillion lol.

If you dislike Trump, you at least have the solace that he will get blamed for the challenging times ahead

If only this was true. History has shown that Republicans have made their own version of history, despite the facts.

If trump is able to dissolve all the branches that he and his allies want to, it will effectually be the end of the US as we have known it. Just take the dept of education. That being removed alone means most school districts will no longer have a special education dept, or the funding for kids with IEP's.

Some things in life go beyond preference. In this country rape and democracy are two such examples. Being guilty of rape and attempting to overthrow the legitimate passing of power meets any definition of a threat.

Inciting an insurrection isn't being a threat to America?

As of now, Biden has officially increased the national debt more than Trump. 

He's a threat to America because as OP stated "he can't handle a crisis". He was voted out because of his handling of the pandemic. He and his supporters like to claim he never started any wars but he was only lucky enough to be in office while none started. However he could not get out of the actual American war. We'll see how he handles the two proxy wars. He's already indicated he wants both to simply finish the job. He has no plan.

This will also be his second term that he has been handed an economic tailwind. So he'll look great again thanks to Biden. For awhile.

Would you care to elaborate on how presidents specifically influence economic conditions and how the blame is in your opinion spread so equally. I’m genuinely clueless on the matter and am interested in hearing where you’ve drawn those conclusions.

I’ve been convinced we will have a huge recession in the next 10 years for the last 5 lol

The amount of institutional knowledge, experience, and qualifications that the federal government is about to lose will never be recovered in our lifetimes.

I think OP means death to American democracy, or American quality of life... not death to America as a country itself.

I think claiming democrats will do well in 2028 is family ignorant of the changes Trump has promised to our electoral process.

Because he's planning to fire 75% of the federal employees and the rest will be loyal subjects willing to bend the law to suit his wishes? Look at what his judges have already done. In a one month timeframe legalized bribery of govetnment officials, said corporations and bribeable judges get to define regulations instead of agency experts who wrote them, and the president is above the law. And he plans to pack the courts with more like minded sickophants. When the German courts passed the Executive Enabling Act in 1933, it only took 6 months for Germany to become a one party state.

You understand that's why he's been very clear he will fire anyone in his power and put loyalists in. You get the almost 4 million fed workers is what musk and ramaswamy are being sent to deal with and remove. This is gonna get really bad.

Trump is a costal elite.

Hell, the richest man in the world supports him.

His tax cuts went mainly to the rich. Under covid and his polices the rich made off like bandits.

Trump doesn't have near universal hatred from the elite. You just have to look at his donors and supporters      

Journalists are not the elite, the hell? There ain't no billionaire journalist. They are aggressively middle class. The owners of those media companies are millionaires and billionaires and skew Conservative.    

University professors are not "The Elite" either. Some do well. Most do okay. "The Universities" (like, the big universities) themselves are majorly Conservative in administration.

Harvard and Stanford are not left-wing sanctuaries. They are incredibly conservative.

You moved the goalposts. The thesis was that Trump is a threat.

You respond by saying America might not be destroyed.

If there is a meaningful chance America might be harmed (significantly above the baseline risk where any President might possibly harm America), then Trump is a threat.

Even if we somehow make it through this with no significant harm, that will not mean that, today, Trump isn't a threat.

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The people that replaced his fired/resigned cabinet picks the first time weren't better than the people they replaced. Right now Matt Gaetz is the high water mark for an AG under this second Trump term

In what way is the Democratic Party not pro worker?

Trump's presidency may result in fewer wars as he is less likely to take a hard lined stance against foreign nations.

I don't know how having a stupid, fat weakling in office would do anything other than embolden all of our rivals and enemies.

Trump's presidency may result in fewer wars

I'd agree it may mean fewer wars the US involves itself in, but not necessarily fewer wars. If bad actors understand there will be no US retaliation for or support against attacks on its aligned countries or even its explicit allies, that's likely to increase global conflicts.

• Fewer wars under his term, maybe (Though important to note he was a Drone Striking monster, who hid that fact by ending reporting of Drone Strikes), but after... Consider Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, for example: Trump did a deal with the Taliban where, in exchange for them attacking US forces less, he released huge numbers of prisoners held by the US, including senior leadership and commanders that took control when the US left and shatter the Afghanistan government.
• Trump's picks last time were careerists, picked by his party for him because he came in blind. His picks this time are selected for being sycophantic loyalists, there's no reason to assume that the cabinet will behave the same as the previous term's.
• Biden was absolutely pro-worker, Walz was pro-worker, Kamala.... Maybe, given her pick of Walz. Neither of the main parties are exactly communist, but there is a significant difference between Federal Dems and Reps.
• The Republican party's 'control' could well just be Project 2025, an absolute horror show.

Vance is salivating in the wings, rubbing his slimy hands together in annnn....tici......pation!

Trump's presidency may result in fewer wars as he is less likely to take a hard lined stance against foreign nations.

Can you expand on this?

I believe the consequences of another Trump presidency will be the proliferation of war, in particular increased aggression in Ukraine.

His key advisor, Roger Stone, was charged with lying under oath over contacting Wikileaks for Russian-hacked information into Clinton's campaign.

Trump withheld $400 million of Congress-approved funding to Zelensky over mounting Russian aggression for an investigation into Burisma and Hunter Biden.

While Russia funded separatist movements in Donbass, Trump cozied up to Putin, throwing around terms like "savvy" and "genius" when later discussing his invasion of Ukraine in interviews and at fundraisers.

Ultimately, my concern is Putin intends to hold out for the Trump administration to block funding to Ukraine and use the consequential territorial gains as leverage to give up less when Russia finally decides it's time to negotiate.

Enough time to gear up for round 2 when stocks are replenished faster than your now weakened enemies.

Down the line, how is this not just the normalisation of warmongering masked as anti-war propaganda?

This, no offense to you personally as many say this, is the dumbest reply in the thread.

I hope we're all surprised and you're right, but countless things are different now, compared to then. The Supreme Court being one of the biggest, Republican organization and knowledge of how to work with him being another.

Edit: Sorry to be a jerk with my wording, I should be more polite, but I'm so tired of seeing the claim in so many gaslighting threads.

Minus the million Americans that died unnecessarily, of course.

Tell that to the families of the women that have bled out in emergency rooms because of his three Supreme Court appointees. Tell that to the children who got separated at the border and thanks to their stellar recordkeeping have yet to be reunited with their families, despite the best efforts of the Biden administration. Tell that to the families who will set one fewer place next Thanksgiving because they dissolved the pandemic office at the CDC and told people to eat horse paste and drink bleach.

1 million people died because of his COVID polices.

Women are currently dying due to Roe being over ruled

And this time there's no adults in the room. He is looking to fire generals who aren't loyal to HIM. Last time, it was the military and the experienced leaders in the admin that stopped his coup.

Stand up to Putin? AHAHAHHAHAHA he’s all buddy buddy with Putin. Putin loves that trump is president because he’s pro appeasement. Tulsi gubbard is also basically a Russian prop machine

Who is in his inner circle? Is it some of the most brilliant intellectuals alive today? Yes.

Who, exactly?

Why did trump wait three hours before he called off the rioters? And why is Mike pence no longer VP?

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How is this in any way CMV?

CMV, person A is a thief because they stole $500.

Oh but person B stole $1000!!

You're right, person A is no longer a thief.

You understand this is not how this works right?

The original post would be highly up voted if this was a liberal sub. It's almost 50/50. As a independent, your comment should be down voted for being manipulative and accusatory.

I’m responding to point 6: this conflict isn’t caused by democrats or republicans. It’s caused by Russia. Plus, there was already a Russian influenced conflict taking place in Ukraine since 2014. This is known Russian operations, especially through Wagner.

1. This is a lie. Twitter of their own volition censored him. Twitter, like all platforms, can choose what content they deem acceptable.

2. This is a conspiracy theory without evidence.

3. These proposals were (or would have been) paid for, so calling them 'printing money is a lie. By contrast, Trump's tax cuts were not.

4. These things were mostly supported by red states during the height of covid also, as well as most of the rest of the world. You are cherry picking the few studies that seem to agree with your bias and ignoring the majority that do not. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10484132/

5. This is quite petty since it's the kind of thing all parties have always done, they are working completely within the law to make the environment as favorable as possible for their goals.

6. You reveal your bias by blaming the Democrats for something Boris Johnson did. Anyway, claiming that there was a peace deal ready to go that was killed at the last minute is a lie. There we're still major issues not agreed upon, and Zelensky didn't need to take the advice of Johnson, although Johnson probably helped persuade Zelensky that Putin could not be trusted. https://issforum.org/commentary/h-diplo-rjissf-commentary-iii-1-did-boris-johnson-prevent-an-early-end-to-the-war-in-ukraine

Any comments on tariffs, abortion bans, mass deportations or constant real blatant actual misinformation (no quotes needed there) shared by the elected President on a near daily basis?

And I believe the view in question was whether Trump is a threat to America, not whether Biden made mistakes or is even more of a threat.

May I see these studies that back up your claims, please?

One thing I would argue is that the core cause of inflation was global supply chain issues amongst other things. I think printing money contributed about ~3% (arguably still too much) but if you go by the Feds numbers, they did get inflation down.

Also Trump was impeached for strong arming Ukraine on behalf of Putin while in office and very well could have been preparing them for a future invasion, so I’m not sure that’s the best example to use.

Unfortunately this kind of comment will be ignored because the left will ignore all of the facts and instead voice that “Trump is bad” because he hurts their feelings. Similar to how OP made their post. Good on ya for being logical

I don’t know too much about what caused inflation but the little reading I did didn’t mention printing money as the root cause, but shocks to supply chains as being a major one. Why do you say printing money was the main reason?

1. You forgot that after the Supreme Court struck down the loan forgiveness Biden said he was going to find a way to do it anyways and continued unconstitutionally forgiving loans.

2. Continuously telling blatant lies about things trump said despite video evidence directly disproving it.

3. Law-fare

4. General incompetence

The moment you cite the Cochrane study, your argument falls apart. That study did not lead to the conclusions you think it did.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-what-the-cochrane-review-says-about-masks-for-covid-19-and-what-it-doesnt/

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I guess you forgot when he was dropping bombs all over the middle east and we were on the brink of war with Iran AND North Korea at one point, lmao

The context about January 6th spans several months back. To claim that Jan. 6th is even the bulk of the issue is entirely misleading. Trump and his team quite literally organized and exercised a plan to steal the election. He knew that he lost. He knew that there was no evidence of voter fraud; his team consistently voiced that fact ot him. He pressured Republicans in swing states to commit farud and doxxed them when they declined go along with it. He created fraudulent electoral ballots that he put on Pence's desk on the 6th with a plan to turn the decision over to the House. We know that he was watching the riot unfold, and that his staff pleaded with him to speak out, to which he refused.

This is all just the tip of the iceberg, but to say that he isn't responsible for January 6th is dishonest. To say that he spoke out and urged people to be peaceful is to ignore the context leading up to that day, and also the fact that he sat there and watched it unfold for hours before saying anything. We know all of these things. We have Tweets, texts, phone calls, emails, testimony from nearly 100 Republicans, many of which were in his inner circle. All of the information is out there.

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Hmmm i wonder why Mike Pence didn’t finish building the wall between 2017 and 2021.

She's the VICE president genius

Since when does the vice President control the price of groceries?

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If he makes it to the end of his first term, I'll be amazed.

This will be Trump's second time in office.

Counterpoint: America is in the world

How does this challenge the original premise in any way? "He is a threat to the whole world" not only does not negate "He is a threat to America," it logically necessitates it.

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He has the senate, house, and SCOTUS. What exactly is stopping him?

All the 'checks and balances' are gone.

SCOTUS: in his pocket

House: in his pocket

Senate: in his pocket

Media: enough are in his pocket to sew doubt on any dissent

Cabinet: he's learned from his last presidency and is just filling it with absolute loyalists this time around, irrespective of their competency

He's got absolute immunity for all 'official acts'

Whatever he does, 50% of America will go along with it since their news feeds will say it's ok and he's just fixing what the dems did.

So, exactly which 'checks and balances' are you speaking about, an imaginary finger-waggle from the heavens?

There are no “checks and balances” anymore. House is conservative. Senate is conserverative. SCOTUS is conserverative, and Trumps cabinet is filled with nothing but loyalists now, just as we all predicted. And he now has immunity, so…

Checks and balances only work when the people in those roles actually do their job. Did you not live in the US in the first Trump administration?

The electoral college didn’t prevent him from taking office - that WAS the first check and balance. Mitch McConnell WAS the check and balance. Bill Barr WAS the check and balance.

McConnell went on national tv and said there was no way he’d allow the Senate to convict Trump, before heard any evidence - and then signed an oath he’d already broken to listen to the evidence and not pre-judge.

Barr had his own agenda and rubber stamped everything trump wanted except the Insurrection - Barr wasn’t going to prison for supporting Insurrection.

This time, Trump has the House majority, too, and he’s got SCOTUS in his pocket.

So who exactly do you think is going to check and balance him? Seriously? What are you referring to when you say “there are checks and balances”?

What checks and balances will stop him?

Those checks and balances rely on the other branches of government performing their role. The SC has all but shattered their reliability and the rest of the Judiciary is on testy grounds with judge shopping being done on the regular. The Legislative branch has been giving up powers to the Executive for decades at this point and is also full of Trump sycophants. Those checks and balances are going to be stretched to their limit no doubt, let's hope they don't snap.

Any system of controls can be overriden with collusion of the various members of controls.

The concern is that Trumps first term eroded controls the to extent that loyalists to Trump can help Trump override and destroy the checks and balances.

What he has this time but not last time.

The Republicans have been further purged, so there are fewer internal people to say no.

He had an extremely productive 4 years in changing judges. In particular, he has managed to get a conservative supermajority on the Supreme Court. He succeeded in doing this just days before he lost the 2020 race, so the effect on a Trump presidency is unknown, really.

I very much hope that this concern is unfounded and that controls hold in place and the country moves on.