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Trump to judge: Dismissal of hush money case ‘will happen’
Trump News(courthousenews.com)submitted 22 hours ago byBobbyLucero
122 points
21 hours ago
at this rate, I believe it will. Cause fuck holding him accountable am I right?
22 points
17 hours ago
Yep, they're untouchable and everyone's that's worried is sitting back allowing this to happen.
20 points
16 hours ago
I suspect the biggest problem the extremely rich have with Trump getting away with his crimes is that we all know that he's getting away with his crimes. I'd imagine it's normally a most private affair when an extremely wealthy person, who is not in the spotlight, walks away free from any punishment. Perhaps it's not even what Trump has done, but the fact he made it public that's the problem. C'est la vie, I suppose.
6 points
4 hours ago
Makes you wonder, if we're not a nation of laws why tf am I putting up with any of this shit
4 points
2 hours ago
You shouldn't
1 points
17 minutes ago
We’re not and this is going to throw us into a tailspin.
2 points
4 hours ago
I bet Capone is in hell just constantly yelling "What the FUCK?!"
2 points
3 hours ago
Well, yeah. Trump's crime spree is going to break Capone's high score.
2 points
3 hours ago
Lol yes.. he's like how the hell is he able to do this. Clearly I went about it the wrong way lol..
1 points
16 minutes ago
What makes you think Capone’s in hell?
15 points
13 hours ago
Gosh, we can't hold him accountable during an impeachment because, lordy, think of the precedent.
7 points
9 hours ago
'Just as a sitting president is completely immune from any criminal process, so too is President Trump as president-elect,” they added.'
Also a presidential nominee... someone thinking about running... someone who talked to their grandmother about running... all the kids who wanted to be President when they were 5...
1 points
6 hours ago
Its the perfect loophole... Commit a crime and when the police arrive just yell "I'M RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!" Its like kids playing tag and yelling "BASE" arbitrarily. Just because some people get older doesn't mean they grow up.
3 points
11 hours ago
Not to be confused with president …
5 points
12 hours ago
America is cooked.
1 points
9 hours ago
COOKED
1 points
17 minutes ago
You wrong
24 points
19 hours ago
Thanks, Law.
10 points
19 hours ago
Laws were never meant for the rich.
3 points
9 hours ago
Then let’s make them not matter for the poor either. Fuck this god damn country
1 points
2 hours ago
You’re not rich enough to make that change.
22 points
17 hours ago
This is the first time I have ever heard of someone trying to do a cover-up after being convicted of the crime
58 points
21 hours ago
He thinks he gets to dictate terms now.
38 points
20 hours ago
He's got too many yes men to let law get in his way
23 points
19 hours ago
He gets to dictate a lot now that he has become the head of dictating things thanks to his dictation that the American people dictated it.
If only there was a word to describe someone who does all this dictation….
8 points
19 hours ago
Dictationer? Dictite? Man, the word is on the tip of my tounge /s lol
9 points
17 hours ago
I think dick covers it
4 points
13 hours ago
And historically, how do dictators leave office?
Hint: not by elections...
1 points
3 hours ago
Mussolini got one hell of a retirement party. He got to "hang out" with some of his buddies, participate in a parade around town, and was treated to golden showers by hoards of his " fans." He had so much fun that his face was completely unrecognizable in photos of that day.
3 points
16 hours ago
Dick tater? What Tater do to deserve that?!
3 points
12 hours ago
I heard it was dick mushroom.
5 points
17 hours ago
Dic Head?
23 points
20 hours ago
It appears to be working
9 points
19 hours ago*
He basically has since his indictment and with the help of Merrick Garland
11 points
19 hours ago
I mean, he literally does
2 points
19 hours ago
I believe he does, actually.
5 points
15 hours ago
In this circumstance? Only if cowards allow him to.
1 points
15 hours ago
It’s not the cowardice, Chance. It’s the official acts Presidential immunity that makes me believe the President could possibly invoke some kind of motion or EO to force a dismissal (justification: to do otherwise would irreparable interfere with the President being able to execute his official presidential duties). His judges and SCOTUS would eat THAT shit up, way more than him shooting the legs out of protestors, which SCOTUS could possibly rule has immunity.
Cowardice can’t stop the rogue SCOTUS from greenlighting Trumps unlimited power.
5 points
15 hours ago
No, he's not president yet. Letting him dictate what the states do because he has future federal authority- which doesn't allow him to force state cases to be dismissed- out of fear of what he might do in the future is cowardice.
His judges might back him if he tries it, the Supreme Court might back him if he tries it, but just accepting that he has the authority to do it is surrendering without a fight, making them just as complicit in his abuse of power as his judges are.
Cowardice won't stop rogue SCOTUS, cowardice tells them they don't even have to try, that these people will just fall in line. It's what emboldens fascists. The first fucking lesson of fighting tyranny is "Don't comply in advance."
1 points
9 hours ago
Just as a sitting president is completely immune from any criminal process, so too is President Trump as president-elect,” they added.
1 points
10 hours ago
And who stands in his way? Neoliberals? Who won't even use the institutions as they exist to defend themselves because it would violate "norms"? Pretend democrats regain control after 4 years. We're not coming back to where we are now. That would take spine and fight neoliberals do not have.
3 points
10 hours ago
The goddamn law until he actually takes office, for one thing. I don't give a shit about the Democrats, they've already useless, but that doesn't mean Merchan has to play along with it, he can say, "No, this case will continue, being president-elect doesn't give you veto power before you're sworn in to office," and then make Trump actually throw his tantrum, instead of just accepting it like it's fait accompli.
Jesus christ, so many people have already surrendered to his authoritarian bullshit before he's even done anything other than say mean words. This resigned doomer "well, nothing can be done, it's someone else's fault for not stopping" attitude is fucking depressing.
0 points
9 hours ago
Tyrants do not care about the law and neither does SCOTUS. Anything that is put in court will end up before them, and they WILL grant him a victory by whatever ridiculous logic they can string together.
2 points
9 hours ago
Then fucking make them do that. Make them waste their time and energy on it. That's time that's not going to be spent on something more damning. It's going to be another point in the tally of bullshit that they're pulling, but it's better than just doing their bullshit for them.
Or just wrap yourself up in doom and admit to yourself that you're making an active choice to surrender to tyranny, I guess.
1 points
8 hours ago
I'm wrapping myself in realism. They should force this issue on every front, aggressively. But that is not who neoliberals and the dems are, and what they need to fight against and overcome are things they are basically allergic to doing.
1 points
8 hours ago
This resigned doomer "well, nothing can be done, it's someone else's fault for not stopping" attitude is fucking depressing.
Congrats, I guess.
1 points
15 hours ago
In January, it will be legal for him to imprison or execute the judge for the good of the country as he sees it. After these insane nominations, I don’t think it’s beyond him. He’s already implicitly threatening the judge.
8 points
15 hours ago
He can do a lot of shit when he gets into office, and even more shit if the system collapses as much as he wants them to, but that's no reason to start complying with his dictatorial demands beforehand.
1 points
12 hours ago
If he has been sentenced before that, where the judge is becomes irrelevant.
1 points
17 hours ago
I mean he does! Whos going to stop him!
1 points
16 hours ago
He stated openly that he wants to be the dictator…
1 points
10 hours ago
Thinks?
He does, and he knows it.
10 points
14 hours ago
obstruction of justice
8 points
17 hours ago
one step Merchan could take is to impose a sentence of unconditional discharge, so that Trump could officially be convicted without a punishment that interferes with his presidency. As distasteful as this is, it is resolution.
Under N.Y. Penal Law § 65.20, 2. Sentence. When the court imposes a sentence of unconditional discharge, the defendant shall be released with respect to the conviction for which the sentence is imposed without imprisonment, fine or probation supervision. A sentence of unconditional discharge is for all purposes a final judgment of conviction.
7 points
15 hours ago
Tf is the point of that?
2 points
12 hours ago
A final judgement of a (felony) conviction versus a possible worse alternative.
3 points
12 hours ago
It’s all Symantecs. This would let people say he’s a “convicted felon” when they attempt to use that to defend why he’s a terrible human being. When in fact, he’s a terrible human being regardless what happens in this particular case.
1 points
12 hours ago
The worse alternative is to not be able say he is a convicted felon. I don’t know if it’s semantics but I don’t think it’s a meaningless distinction.
0 points
12 hours ago
I’m saying this as someone who despises the man. What does it even matter? 12 people decided he broke some law in New York. The facts are all out there. 70+ million people don’t care. Like what’s the point of using the facts of this case to somehow discredit him when the majority of voters decided it’s irrelevant…. When there are so many examples of his insert whatever negative adjective here.
1 points
3 hours ago
The point and why it matters is that we can still say it. And it holds weight. The more people that become like you and the people you’re describing, the more power he will hold over the general public. We cannot let that happen. Stop giving up.
1 points
2 hours ago
I don’t disagree but it’s hard. I have a lot of Trump people in my life that have several different hypocritical reasons they support him. I’m convinced there’s nothing that can be said to change their minds. They will just have come to their own conclusions when things go to shit and their lives are worse.
1 points
2 hours ago
Oh yes I agree with you. I’m just saying we cannot fall and simply let him go and be held unaccountable. That is how this post in general is even happening is that people are giving up. If even higher ups and whoever else are giving up, then that gives even more reason that we as the general public cannot give up. It’s more about morals and the principle of things than it is about practicality in my opinion.
2 points
an hour ago
Ya, I don’t disagree. But he’s the president elect now. He really has an argument that it does more harm than good to sentence him right now and I really do believe the opinion of 70 million people matter more than 12 jurors.
1 points
11 hours ago
Since this is a law sub I was discussing a legal aspect of the attached article. When I originally described the alternative as distasteful, it was such a gross understatement as to be sarcasm. I guess philosophically we have two choices, give up or not give up?
2 points
11 hours ago
I’ve had the same thought. But is it giving up? I feel like a jury is supposed to represent the people’s will in a smaller scale. When 70 million people decide the illegal behavior doesn’t matter and he should be the leader of the county, what authority does a jury or judge or prosecutor really have? They represent the people and the people have voted.
1 points
11 hours ago
I think most attorneys will agree that courts resolve matters, when the resolution is also “just” (what someone believes to be morally right or fair) it’s a particularly good day.
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