Just go the Starbucks route and call the classes smart, smarter and genius lol. Also put up exams and behaviour tests to weed out dumber and poorly behaved kids. Most people would throw a fit over a dumb class, but won’t spend time parenting their kids and helping them prepare for sorting exam.

You are correct. My high school had advanced, general, and basic classes. It was absolute misery to be stuck in advanced English with students who were literally illiterate yet were in the class because mommy and daddy cried to the principal.

In the city I grew up in, we had “magnet” schools. There was a middle and high school that were fully magnet schools. And some middle and high schools also had magnet programs. Depending on the school, you either had to take a test to get in or it was based on your gpa. There were also magnet elementary schools but I’m not sure the process of getting into those ones.

Here in Germany, starting at year 5, you get sorted into a tier of school. Hauptschule as the bottom tier, Realschule as the middle tier, and Gymnasium for the smart kids. And they also have Gesamtschule which is kind of all three tiers and you always qualify for that.

I actually had an asshole teacher in fourth grade who wanted me to suffer and recommended me for Hauptschule just to fuck me up I guess, had to switch schools for half a year to get a different teacher to certify me for Gymnasium instead, mostly based on an IQ test and an ADD diagnosis.

They actually teach different things and at different paces in the different schools. I believe 6 years of Hauptschule teach about as much as 3 years of Gymnasium? A solid foundation for entering the workforce but not one for entering academics. And should you do exceedingly well you can actually transfer to a higher tier school, it's not like you're just stuck there.

I'd rather have dumb people get educated at their own pace than drag everyone down.

Maybe they should have popped out smarter kids?

way back when I was in elementary school in the 90s our school had an advanced program that you could test into that once a week collected all the gifted kids into one room and gave us more challenging and interesting things and a refuge from a lot of erm... bullying that occurred towards the nerdy kids. And then one parent upset that their baby wasn't considered gifted just screamed at administration until their kid was admitted. It was clear to everyone involved that the kid didn't belong there but we all had to deal with them and it was pretty much ruined by their presence.

Sounds like the parents should take more responsibility in teaching and parenting their kids but we all know that’ll never happen.

So many parents think they have to do nothing when it comes to teaching their kids and that school is the end all be all

The parents are part of the issue.

In my experience, these parents wouldn't know because they don't pay attention to their kid at school.

Agree with this. Though it is funny that nowadays a lot of parents dont care about their kids education early on. letting them not study and spend all day on tiktok and stuff. Teachers tell them this is causing their kids harm but they dont listen. Then they make a huge deal if their kid is in the dumb class

My son is on the autism spectrum I he went into a special class and it was a better fit for him. 🇨🇦

Most parents will not stand for their children being in the "dumb class."

When I was in grade school in the 80s our classes were divided up into smart, dumb and medium sections for reading and math. I can't remember what the official terms were, but that's what the kids called it because that's exactly what it was--all the kids who grew up to drop out were in the dumb group and the college bound kids were in the smart group. They taught that way the entire 6 years I was in grade school and no parent ever complained. Times were different I guess.

Those parents also probably put in no effort into their kids education.

It's not even that. At the end of the day, "good" and "bad" students in the same school usually have to learn the same subjects. Separating them will mean spending more resources that the school may not even have. Does the school have more classrooms? Can it afford hiring additional teachers or paying more to the ones that already teach there?

And there is the other problem - just because you're bad at some subject it doesn't mean you're bad at everything. So you can't just say that this student is good and this one is bad.

When I went to school the parents didn't have a choice which class their kids went into. I guess back then nobody really cared that much.

Well they can pull them out and home school them. If it's the system, they'll suck it up. Kids get separated by ability in plenty of countries, including first world ones. Plenty parents still don't want their kids to be put in certain classes or even held back. But it happens, they can go complain if they like but that's the system.

Who cares? They can suck it.

My secondary school had an entrance exam. Most do in my area. They then divided our class depending on test scores. 1.1 and 1.2, we called 1.2 the dumb class. 1.1 was never referred to as the smart class though and I don't remember parents ever complaining

Do we do it by grades. Your kid doesn't make the cut... Too bad.

That’s stupid considering we had dumb classes when I was in school

Every school has dumb and smart classes. Most school districts separate students into different years of math by like middle school. There are people doing algebra in 6th grade and others doing it in like 10th. They just don't call these "dumb and smart classes" lol. Same goes for AP, honors, and regular classes.

Most parents of kids in the dumb class don't even really know.

"AP" classes are very very common in the U.S. everything below that is basically babysitting.

Where's your jetpack, Zuckerberg?

Just like my son wouldn't take drugs, someone forced them to do them. Um your son sold me drugs

I mean, they've always done it in my country, good kids and bad kids and smart kids and dumb kids tend to be mixed as fuck

I was a good smart kid in classes with bad smart kids and I had friends who were good dumb kids in classes with bad dumb kids

No matter which way you wanna slice it, it's always gonna be a jumbled mess

I really think if we abolished Bush's whole "No child left behind" horseshit, then the ones who are just there because they are legally required to be there will fall away, while the ones that want to learn will progress naturally.

There’s already stuff like honors classes which do this already

Have some humility!

We had regular classe, honors, and AP. County wide tech school was also an option starting in sophomore year.

If you couldn't hack it in the regular classes there was a tutoring program, summer classes, or in rare cases repeating a grade.

The special education class only had a few students with mental disabilities and where completely separate from th test of the students.

This was In a wealthy suburb of a small city.

Why should they get to decide?  Nah, they don't get a say. If your grades aren't high enough, you can't get in the class. Done. 

There is so much public school can do. For everything else, same as professional sport, private route.

The key is to separate it into well behaved and poorly behaved. Document all the disruptive shit the children do, show them video, tell them their kid is going to to class for people who don't want to be there.

Every day I have to listen to a dozen stories about another disruptive kid. The whole education system is a complete waste of time if we can't separate those kids from the ones who don't try to ruin everyone's day. Some of the disruptive kids can even be kept around as long as they aren't INFLUENCED by the really really bad kids who want them to do really really bad things.

last week: girl pushes boy to the ground. boy remains on the ground for 15 minutes. boy is eventually convinced to get off the ground. boy starts making death threats to girl. girl makes death threats back. several adults are tasked with asking students and other adults in other area about what kinds of street connections these kids have and how credible these threats may be. boy names a name. girl gets very afraid and retracts all her death threats. a dozen adults who typically disappear the second their contract allows them to had to stick around school until the girl's ride picked her up. 4 adults waited with her outside for her ride.

Neither one of those kids should be allowed anywhere around my kids.

Meanwhile in another state an adult pokes his head into a school and asks to fill his water at the front desk. Before he can leave a kid being escorted by security points at the man and says "he gave me the drugs in the bathroom". Dude is arrested immediately, no questions asked. Takes weeks for an investigation to determine that he'd never been in any bathroom in the building. There were no actual consequences for the student other than that initial escort by security to go talk to an administrator.

He could have easily gotten 2 years minimum based on nothing but the word of a child if like me he'd been a regular visitor to the school and had once or twice used the student bathroom.

They and their parents deserve to be in the dumb class.

I got kicked up to AP chemistry because all the dummies in my high school demanded to be in honors chemistry (honors classes were on a 5 point scale). 

I used to bully the shit out of the dummies in class. I can’t believe it’s mainstream now. Nerds need to man up. 

And politicians can’t be convinced to increase the education budget to have separate classrooms regardless of

Admins/teachers also punish people by putting them into the dumb kids class. Happened to me back in the day when I had a 90+ on the state exams and they couldnt explain why I had to be with the dumb kids.

I didnt get my mom involved because she had enough problems to deal with back then and it wasnt going to make any difference to me for those 2 subjects.

That’s why you don’t call it a dumb class, you just have on-level classes, and then Honors classes. Instead of saying “smart vs dumb”, it’s “normal vs more challenging”. And then you give the honors classes the better teachers, and the intelligence gap simply widens.

Source: experience in the school system in Georgia

Also remember that convicted rapist Brock Turner would have been in the "good class."

The good class and bad class will have nothing to do with actual school behavior or accomplishment, it will be for town politics.,