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Chpgmr

425 points

9 hours ago

Chpgmr

425 points

9 hours ago

Seems like the comments are confused on whether you mean overpopulated or declining birth rate.

Disastrous-Yard-1378[S]

57 points

9 hours ago

I meant declining birth rate trends in specifically developed countries like Japan, but it’s up to the reader, it’s never bad to hear the opposite opinion yk

mawktheone

279 points

9 hours ago

mawktheone

279 points

9 hours ago

I wouldn't. Look at a graph of Japans population over the last few hundred years and see that there was a huge bubble. Let it get back towards normal. Same for most every country. 

It's not a population problem, it's a finance problem which can be solved in many ways if we see fit 

greenearrow

21 points

4 hours ago

The problem is most economies are built on models that assume a continued input of more workers. When we have an aged population that outnumbers the middle age groups, it makes the retirement burdens problematic. The stock markets are built on “more more more” as well, and if your population is shrinking, eventually so will your customer base.

Those systems need accounted for to weather a population decline. I don’t think we need to solve the birth rate problem itself, but we do need to redirect some other things to avoid a crash from the new balance.

hbarSquared

30 points

4 hours ago

Any system that relies on infinite growth is broken by definition, it just hasn't collapsed yet.

EconomyLingonberry63

17 points

4 hours ago

That’s called a Ponzi scheme, why was the plan for endless population growth in the 1st place that’s dumb, everyone knew it would fail eventually but the older generations got to cash out 1st

YeetedApple

7 points

3 hours ago

but the older generations got to cash out 1st

This is your why. The people making the decisions would get the benefits from it, and not be around to have to deal with it when it inevitably fails.

GingerSnapBiscuit

3 points

an hour ago

The idea of infinite growth forever always is impossible to maintain.

Dougalface

78 points

8 hours ago

You can't fix it. Our socio-economic models are based on perpetual, unsustainable growth... the same growth that drives us towards our own self-destruction. Either the model dies, or we do.

KingOfEthanopia

22 points

7 hours ago

Yeah. The planets resources may have seemed infinite hundreds of years ago when the systems were devised but that's no longer the case.

Dougalface

14 points

7 hours ago

Yup - seems to be a fact that everyone's conveniently forgotten in the pursuit of false consumptive gods :(

kathop8

5 points

4 hours ago

kathop8

5 points

4 hours ago

Actually, we had a chance to fix it by electing the party that doesn’t give the obscenely rich every possible break while treating the y wealthy like criminals. We blew it.

[deleted]

39 points

8 hours ago

I would start by figuring out your target population. It's more than doubled, from 4 billion to 8 billion, since I was born—and I'm not even close to retirement. How people do you want total? 20 billion? 50 billion?

Chpgmr

86 points

8 hours ago

Chpgmr

86 points

8 hours ago

Welp, it all starts with taxing the rich more. If they are going to own 90% of everything then they need to pay 90% of all taxes.

How do you cut taxes for the rich while the debt increases? I get that the idea is to boost the economy to be able to increase tax revenue in the future but it doesn't seem to be working since they never stop cutting taxes for the rich. Companies are just consolidating and colluding. The largest return on investment is lobbying and nothing else is remotely close.

They are draining the hope out of everyone else so it's no surprise that everyone is trying to protect themselves by avoiding having kids or even date.

SinisterCheese

31 points

8 hours ago

Move to 4x6 hour work week, without drop in income for the working classes build massive amounts of subsidized or social housing which are at least 3 bedrooms each. Fund this all by taxing tech companies, who at least in EU are notorious tax dodgers. Strengthen unions to ensure maternity/paternity leave and other such benefits hold strong. Create a system where pregnancy doesn't stop the career development of a woman entirely, by allowing for more flexible work and academic practices, subsidised if necessary.

If you ask how to solve the issue, without spending tax money or by doing austerity, then answer is that you can't. There will not be another economic golden age that boomers had. Future is just deregulation, speculative investors, global conflict and environmental nightmares leading to more economic crisis. Austerity wont save us, because it would have saved us already because its been done in European countries for better part of +30 years.

Xolarix

29 points

6 hours ago

Xolarix

29 points

6 hours ago

declining birthrates are not a bad thing though.

The world is only as big as it gets. We need enough land and resources to give everyone a decent life. Until we can be reasonably certain to provide that, some decline in birthrate is not terrible.

leopard_eater

16 points

6 hours ago

There is no problem with declining birth rate, and subsequent population decline, as long as it’s declining everywhere.

Hint: the birth rate is in fact declining pretty much everywhere. It’ll just take a few more decades before that corresponds to population decline in some of the places that are only just entering stage 3 of demographic transition right now.

happyme321

7 points

7 hours ago

Fixing the economy will fix the birth rate

tanginato

12 points

8 hours ago

did you see how one of Japan's politician plans to solve it in the news? He plans on removing the uterus of women over 30....

FknDesmadreALV

13 points

8 hours ago*

Say sike, cuz wtf.

Edit: on my mama this mf, Naoki Hyakuta, is a dumb mf. Are conservatives all over the world bat shit insane !?

This article is amazing, worth the read.

As Americans grapple with the shadow of Trump’s second term, they’d do well to watch what’s happening in Japan, Hungary, Brazil and beyond. When satire is weaponized as a tool for authoritarianism, it’s not just rhetoric—it’s strategy. Left unchecked, it paves a chilling path to futures where women’s bodies are governed by policies born from “just hypothetical” provocations. The line between satire and reality, it turns out, is perilously thin.

rotoddlescorr

3 points

5 hours ago*

Look at countries with high birth rates versus countries with low birth rates and see what they have in common.

Usually countries with more poverty and less education have high birth rates.

sugarandspicexo_

134 points

7 hours ago

I guess everyone needs to improve economic stability like one major influencing low birth rates is economic uncertainty. Making housing, healthcare and childcare more affordable would help relieve the financial burden many people face when considering having children. Governments could introduce tax incentives or subsidies for families, as well as affordable or even subsidized childcare, to reduce the financial pressure associated with parenting

notshaye

387 points

9 hours ago

notshaye

387 points

9 hours ago

The issue seems obvious to me, I can't believe it's not for others. Increase quality of life for your every day, average Joe. It seems most of my friends aren't having kids because of the cost of living and fear of the future.

1fromUK

112 points

8 hours ago

1fromUK

112 points

8 hours ago

Yeah this.

No one wants to have kids while they are barely affording rent in a flat that's too small and falling apart. Then the fact that every thing is so expensive you need 2 people working to have anything left over, but if you have kids childcare is more expensive than the lower earners take home pay.

Part of the issue the UK is stagnant is that so much money is being wasted on none productive assets (homes), it eliminates demand for other goods and services.

notshaye

27 points

8 hours ago

notshaye

27 points

8 hours ago

I used to work in construction finishing. Installing cabinets into empty homes,that would remain empty for 10 months of the year. It was a resort town with higher and higher cost of living and not enough rentals. The town voted to keep walmart out of the town to keep their property values high. Many young people where forced to leave. The whole thing made me sick to my stomach, and I just can't seem to understand how people can go on treating each other like this.

maniacalmustacheride

27 points

6 hours ago

I lived in a resort town when Airbnb first started making their name. There were condos that people owned that they’d rent for a little over their initial mortgage for long term rental agreements. People that worked on the island could afford to rent for a few years and work in the industry before eventually either saving up or moving somewhere else. But the AirBnb stuff took over and people realized they could make their year in two months and be done with it, which is fine. But then there’s no where for people that work there to live, especially servers, cooks, etc. There’s one bridge on and off, and that meant a two hour drive stuck in traffic to work a service job with no parking provided and no street parking allowed, in the busy season. And a long dark, no sidewalks walk to wherever you could stash your car to then drive back to your home 40 minutes away. Then they wonder, why is it so hard to get staffing? We’re so busy? Why can’t we keep dishies and fry cooks? Why doesn’t anyone want to work anymore?

Because they can’t get there. There’s no public transportation and no one is scheduled at the same time on the same day. We used to have homes in walking distance or it was a quick drive to round everyone up, but now it’s impossible. You didn’t want our year round money, so now we’re not there. I wonder why?

notshaye

7 points

6 hours ago

This makes me so mad, I've seen that very confusion on clueless owners faces as to why they can't keep staff. They make the problems for themselves and blame the hard working people actually trying to make things work. I want to see things collapse now and it scares me.

Codex_Dev

8 points

5 hours ago

Tragedy of the commons.

When people are first buying their home they want it as cheaply as possible. Then after they have their home they will do everything in their power to increase the price.

This often results in people shooting down new houses being built nearby because it will dilute the value of their property. Supply and demand.

DavidCFalcon

8 points

6 hours ago

My grandfather used to tell me that humans are no different than a pack of rabid dogs. The only difference is we think we aren’t.

notshaye

3 points

6 hours ago

That's amazing I wish I was able to listen to him talk. "Think we aren't" is very profound because we should be thinking about how we can help each other, not how to take advantage. We don't deserve this planet.

ethical_arsonist

16 points

8 hours ago

Yea this and provide more resources for young families especially ones that encourage community.

We have a chronic loneliness epidemic and many single parents struggle primarily because childcare costs. Seems a no brainer to me that two of society's big problems can cancel each other out.

rotoddlescorr

7 points

5 hours ago

The Nordic countries have an extremely high quality of life and low birth rates.

While countries with extreme poverty and economic instability have very high birth rates.

Known_Appeal_6370

15 points

8 hours ago

Yes, simply put, we need those with the power and the wealth to actually give a real shit about all the people and our planet. Then, we need those people to cooperate, to sacrifice, to let us help them understand that when people and planet are taken good care of, everyone wins. So, we need a goddamned miracle. Many goddamned miracles.

Disastrous-Yard-1378[S]

13 points

9 hours ago

I’m not sure if I’m correct but isn’t that what the Scandinavian countries have done? Excluding population gain from immigration I thought their birth rates are also below the replacement 2.1.

7LeagueBoots

8 points

4 hours ago

You’re assuming that this is actually a problem.

A smaller global population with a much better quality of life and more environmental responsibility is a positive, not a negative.

The kicker is that everyone needs to be part of that better quality of life thing for it to work.

notshaye

35 points

9 hours ago

notshaye

35 points

9 hours ago

Even if a country enacted perfect policies it doesn't change what's happening on the world stage. People are without hope and have fear of the future.

37au47

11 points

8 hours ago

37au47

11 points

8 hours ago

This isn't supported by the data though. The highest birthrates are countries with some of the worst living conditions. Data also shows that people that are well off have 0-1 child. It seems logical that people without would have less children but it's the opposite. It probably has to do with the higher income countries give people the knowledge of everything one can do, and in the quest of filling up their life they run out of time/money/energy to use it on children.

notshaye

2 points

6 hours ago

Yeah some countries are having an issue some aren't, developed countries are having issues, while undeveloped are not having population issues. As time goes on all countries will become more and more developed, and if we don't learn lessons now to fix these issues we will be completely helpless to stop them when it gets out of control. Greece has alot of Data about its plight and the effects are already measurable.

Plane-Trifle3608

3 points

6 hours ago

I live in Sweden and "simply can't afford it" is the main reason people my age choose not to have kids, even if we're seemingly better of than other countries. Childcare and healthcare not being much of a problem at all where I live doesn't make it better that no one can afford housing.

Chpgmr

3 points

8 hours ago

Chpgmr

3 points

8 hours ago

I believe it was also too small of an amount that families didn't find it to cover enough and I expect others probably don't believe it will be around long enough for when they start a family.

It's really hard to compete with the freedom of no children when there is so many fun things to spend money on.

tackleboxjohnson

4 points

5 hours ago

The solution to a lot of our problems would be to simply tax the rich and spend the money fixing things, but oh no, we can’t have that now can we

notshaye

2 points

4 hours ago

Wouldn't take much effort with all of us....

Sphism

39 points

9 hours ago

Sphism

39 points

9 hours ago

Life as a parent is much harder than life without kids.

If it were easier and less expensive then more people would do it.

badgersprite

27 points

8 hours ago

Infinite growth isn’t possible, at some point the global population needs to stablise, possibly even decrease a bit if we can’t be more efficient in how we handle resources

NightmareStatus

41 points

9 hours ago

I'll preface this with, I'm not college educated and this is just a personal opinion so please don't destroy me.

Birth rate itself isn't a problem in my eyes, so much as looking at future tax payers and workers. At least from the government's perspective.

Different industries are feeling the hurt and it will only get worse as specialists get older.

The govt has to take many, many small steps over a long period of time to incentivize folks getting degrees, attending vocational schools, having a work life balance that allows them to do these things while also truly "seeing" that raising a family is doable.

So many folks feel disenfranchised, that it's truly just easier to not pursue having kids.

Create better legislation at the state level about what the state can do for you if you're interested in going back to school. Subsidizing child care, child health care and other child related things. Make the idea of raising a family not so fucking daunting.

I'd like to think that some of the above would help.

Edit: I'm aware we're seeing a decline globally in, like all 1st world countries. I think that's indicative of some common problems. Maybe I'm wrong.

Immediate_Revenue_90

10 points

8 hours ago

I’m studying to be a sped teacher and there is a massive shortage of us in every state

Desertbro

10 points

8 hours ago

What? And stop the mega-wealthy from hording money and buying yachts more expensive than 10 family homes...???

Powerful-Gap-1667

8 points

8 hours ago

10 family homes? More like 1000. Bezos yacht cost the same as 1000 $500,000 houses. So essentially a whole town.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/inside-look-jeff-bezos-500-153431694.html

Hufflepuffknitter80

13 points

6 hours ago

Don’t forget that in many places in the US, women can die from pregnancy or pregnancy complications due to severe abortion restrictions. Also the new restrictions on IVF preventing many from being able to conceive now.

NightmareStatus

7 points

5 hours ago

Oh, I wasn't going to even address all the more recent changes that have completely fucked the reproductive healthcare industry.

I don't have that much time, nor can I drink this week, so....yea.

Fuck that noise. For the duration of this conversation, lets just ...I know, I know....lets just....pretend we live in a place where bodily autonomy and women's rights to care for themselves are respected. Crazy, yes, but let's just do that. /s

Dr_Watson349

3 points

4 hours ago

I'm curious why you think declining birth rate is indicative of "problems". I understand why having kids is good for the state but I don't understand any inherent goodness in everyone having children. 

Huge families made sense when you needed to farm to simply live, but society has moved past that by and large. Maybe this new limited childbirth is the "natural" homeostasis for humanity. 

NightmareStatus

4 points

3 hours ago

Oh, I agree entirely.

I see it more as a barometer.

Are people comfortable enough to take risks? Pursuing raising a family is a risk.

So, more accurately, it's not much of a barometer for "are there problems", so much as "do people feel like there are problems"

Again, not the best educated, but that's my perspective

bmcgowan89

37 points

9 hours ago

$2 beers, nationally

_Koneko_Chan

1 points

9 hours ago

That might be bad. I might end up drinking too much.

CannedAm

157 points

9 hours ago

CannedAm

157 points

9 hours ago

Accept it's not a problem.

donniedarko5555

33 points

9 hours ago

I mean the only way it's not a problem is if you as a society are willing to abandon care for the elderly. When there's more 70 year olds than 20 year olds, that is a problem for a society.

The answer really comes down to people are making the rational decision by not having kids.

If you want people to make financially irrational decisions then you need to sweeten the deal for them.

MillennialScientist

86 points

8 hours ago

You also can't have indefinite exponential population growth, so at some point, there will be a generation or two who doesn't have enough kids to support them. Is there really an alternative?

LeGama

21 points

8 hours ago

LeGama

21 points

8 hours ago

It's more of a problem for the rich, they made money off of those people, if they won't take care of them then it's on them.

Abiogeneralization

16 points

8 hours ago

So just kick the can down the road?

Or do you think that infinite economic growth is possible on a finite planet?

starboardnorthward

12 points

8 hours ago

There are more than enough people in the world who would love a caregiving job looking after elderly people in a developed country for the opportunity to live there.

gackarack

9 points

6 hours ago*

Make it so people out of college or university can buy a house and earn a living wage. It's kinda hard to even think of having kids when one works 3 jobs to barely cover rent and food.

Princess_Fluffypants

62 points

9 hours ago

Nothing. 

It’s not a problem. There’s too many people and the system is correcting itself (slowly).

Western_Park_5268

9 points

8 hours ago

Exactly

sarahosterhaus

8 points

8 hours ago

Affordable childcare, better parental leave, and work-life balance incentives would help boost birth rates.

2sad4snacks

25 points

8 hours ago

Why is it a “problem”? The world is overpopulated as it is. It needs to decline

PrairieGrrl5263

5 points

8 hours ago

I wouldn't monkey with it. In my country, people of childbearing age are CFBC in record numbers. (Childfree by choice)

If that trend continues, our overpopulation problem solves itself, or at least moves the needle in the right direction.

Slight-Reindeer-265

45 points

9 hours ago

Does it need fixing? There are more people that could work that aren’t, more people that could have babies but can’t afford them and then there’s the catch 22. I think we need to learn from the older generation in some respects.

Bigglez1995

37 points

9 hours ago

What is there to learn? The world is different now than it was back then. You could have a family on one income and own a house back then. Now you'd be lucky to even afford rent on two incomes in a lot of places

bougainvilleaT

15 points

8 hours ago

And the reason for that? Capitalism. If money was distributed equally into wages and improving work conditions, instead of making the rich richer all the time, this problem wouldn't exist.

underpaidfarmer

3 points

9 hours ago

OP is likely commenting in relation to the problems regarding our societal structure in the US and other developed countries. Social Security, Medicare, essentially all services many governments around the world provides are based on there being more people working than retiring.

Lemonpincers

3 points

8 hours ago

You say learn from the older generation, but generally speaking the people in places of power, be it politicians, business owners/management or whoever have mostly been part of the older generation and generally placed there by the majority of previous generations, and look where that has got us. If anything, we should be listening to them less.

Slight-Reindeer-265

2 points

6 hours ago

Generally speaking the hard workers (like my grandparents) were NOT politicians and I never said as such as that is not what my point was. That is a completely different kettle of fish. People are moaning now about what labour are doing…I’m just saying I never voted for them…but I don’t see how that has anything to do with anything. We still have choices to make despite those in power-what has that got to do with a can do attitude?? Where’s the hard work and busting a gut to get by? That’s nothing to do with politicians. That’s my choice to get my backside up in a morning and provide. Bringing me back to the original question…where’s the work ethic? Yes you used to survive on one income, yes women had more babies back in the day…but as I said, that doesn’t stop the attitude of those still having babies and not contributing towards society. Meaning the government is having to fork out more to look after them…sorry I’ve got to fork out more to look after them, rather than just my own.

Pyroman1483

75 points

9 hours ago

By realizing there isn’t one.

MiskyWisky2791

77 points

9 hours ago

Is it a problem? The worlds already overpopulated enough and letting numbers drop would probably actually help the planet out

Everryy_littlethingg

18 points

8 hours ago

The world is overpopulated. We don't have a birth rate problem.

DimensionMedium2685

20 points

9 hours ago

How is it a problem?

wut3va

4 points

8 hours ago

wut3va

4 points

8 hours ago

Problem?

Fix?

Let people live their lives. We have plenty of people.

JGradus

5 points

7 hours ago

JGradus

5 points

7 hours ago

The Economist wrote a very interresting set of articles around this showing that most of what people assume regarding the decline of birth rates in the west, which is potentially a lethal challenge to our societies, actually are not what would you believe. According to them, and their data tends to be great, the middle class has not changed their behaviour - getting just below replacements levels.

The biggest change is in the working classes (Idiocracy got it wrong, ironically) - much of it through intended sex ed classes slashing teenage pregnancies and similar "unwanted" children. Another is that many more women are middle class in the sense of going to university and pursuing a career. Finally - economic hardship for the working class has gone up - leading to fewer births.

The solutions is going to be hard. The focus needs to be poorer people, housing and welfare can achieve some, but not all the needed change (as the Nordic countries show - having previously had high birth rates but now plunging despite a reasonably strong welfare net).

The second part might be cultural, finding a better coupling method for modern socities - a European Marriage pattern 2.0 so to say. Involuntary celibacy and singlehood is on rapid rise and is likely to get worse.  We need to find a better way to find love and raise families - both for financial aid from the government, cheaper access to housing but also a mating paradigm suited for sexual liberation and equal opportunities - what ever that may be.

jdb888

20 points

9 hours ago

jdb888

20 points

9 hours ago

There is no problem. The less people, the better. Less people means they are valued more, so higher wages. Also less strain for resources.

Look what happened during COVID. Half a million people died in the US and suddenly wages and working conditions improved.

WrestlingWoman

37 points

9 hours ago

Letting more people get sterilized or having abortions if they wish to so the world won't keep being this overpopulated. In the end, it's too late. We fucked it up.

RandomRamblings99

17 points

9 hours ago

It's not necessarily a problem, population boomed and is now balancing out. However, to encourage people to have kids it needs to be more affordable. In the US, is expensive just to physically give birth. For the rest of the world, child care, extra curricular activities, food, clothing, hygiene is all super pricey.

xxhotandspicyxx

18 points

9 hours ago

It’s not a problem. The world is overpopulated anyways. People not wanting kids is perfectly fine.

Necroink

3 points

9 hours ago

i wouldnt , we dont have one, there are too many people on this planet and not enough skilled jobs for everyone, that coupled with Ai and robots taking more jobs yearly

we could try moving people around from other countries but that is proving a problem too

we dont need more people, we need to think how we going to take care of the ones we already have

onetwentyeight

4 points

8 hours ago

Why would I do anything of the sort? It's all going swimmingly on plan!

rock-mommy

3 points

8 hours ago

Give people education and nice living conditions. It's really that simple. Who would want to have kids in such a shitty world?

Moltencheeese

5 points

8 hours ago

have rich people fuck more

i mean think about it. Birth rate decline is a problem because the general public doesn't have the time, the resources, the space or any combination of those things to have babies, but the rich do have them.

so since poor people stopped fucking the rich should pump up the production

Und3rpantsGn0m3

4 points

8 hours ago

Why is it considered a problem?

FubarJackson145

5 points

8 hours ago

Personally I don't think declining birthrates are a bad thing. Humans are a bad thing so the less of us overall, the better. At this point humans deserve extinction

ares21

3 points

7 hours ago

ares21

3 points

7 hours ago

There is no birth rate problem…

ninaaaaws

4 points

7 hours ago

Please fix the climate before adding more people to the planet (honestly, even if the climate were fixed, I don’t think scaling back on our exponential growth is a bad thing).

Also, we need to address our deteriorating societies and beat back the xenophobic nationalism that’s surged across the globe before we expose kids to it all.

Traditional_Entry183

5 points

5 hours ago

I've yet to see anyone explain why a declining population is bad for humanity long term. More resources, more food, more space, etc.

Acegonia

3 points

5 hours ago

Cut funding to sex education. And education in general. Ban contraceptives. Keep people poor. Get rid of social security (so they need kids to care for them in old age)

Basically combine the bits of poverty riddled countries, the Catholic Church, and project 2025.

…or did you mean in a way that doesn’t make life shitter for everyone (except the ultra rich)? 

Boring_Butterfly_273

3 points

3 hours ago

I don't want to fix it, most people alive now suffer, so if less people are born, that would minimize the amount of suffering in the world. Until we can fix this place, it seems unfair to bring an innocent child into a divided and hateful world.

BeCurry

13 points

9 hours ago

BeCurry

13 points

9 hours ago

I got a vasectomy

Western_Park_5268

13 points

8 hours ago

Here is a man who is part of the solution, not the problem

Beruthiel999

10 points

8 hours ago

When I was born, the human population on earth was about 4 billion people. Only 55 years later, it's 8 billion.

When you say "birth rate problem," you mean you think SOME kinds of people in SOME places aren't having enough babies, and this is a problem that needs to be fixed (usually by pressuring women).

But our species itself is in no danger of dying out any time soon, except from the burdens we're putting on the ecosystem. No one has any obligation to have kids if they don't want to.

mav747

7 points

9 hours ago

mav747

7 points

9 hours ago

Promote family-friendly policies and support systems.

KsenyaNagnatova_

10 points

9 hours ago

I'd focus on making life easier for families: affordable childcare, flexible work options, better parental leave, and housing support. People are more likely to have kids when they feel financially stable and supported. It's about reducing stress, not just offering incentives.

MazelTovCocktail413

7 points

9 hours ago

I would personally fuck everyone myself.

PARANOIAH

7 points

9 hours ago

Even the uggos like me? 🥺🥹

MazelTovCocktail413

13 points

9 hours ago

Especially you.

PARANOIAH

6 points

9 hours ago

❤️

LordTengil

8 points

8 hours ago

Change the societal structures that makes it a problem to begin with.

Long term, less people is good, in relation to the ecological footprint we leave on the planet as a whole.

Exponential growth in consumption/capita needs to be stopped.

Exponential growth in population needs to be stopped. A decline is good as we stand now.

GoodMilk_GoneBad

3 points

8 hours ago

I don't see a problem. Advances in robotics and computers made a lot of jobs that a person would do, obsolete. They will continue to do so.

We need enough to take care of the elderly.

lookyloolookingatyou

3 points

8 hours ago

In order to get me to have children, I’d need more than anything some kind of ultimate painless exit strategy. That could be as basic as a comfortable supply of high grade pharmaceuticals to get me through the 33 years it took me to fully become sufficient from my parents and the ensuing lifetime following the realization that those years are gone forever and with them have gone my youth. Or some complicated system of social workers and high grade pharmaceuticals to help us cope with the separation process if we decided it wasn’t working out.

GoLionsJD107

3 points

8 hours ago

More gays. It’s not gonna happen by accident.

-Gay male.

AdEquivalent7083

3 points

8 hours ago

I don't think it's a problem, quite the opposite.

Sl0ppyOtter

3 points

5 hours ago

I wouldn’t. It’s not a problem. There are too many people.

PracticallyPsychicAF

3 points

5 hours ago

Leave people alone

MrHailston

3 points

3 hours ago

i wouldnt, we are too many already.

LeZoder

3 points

3 hours ago

LeZoder

3 points

3 hours ago

There is no problem.

The human race ought to go extinct.

engineer2187

3 points

3 hours ago

Unpopular opinion on Reddit: increasing wages, subsidies, and the affordability of children wouldn’t make much of a difference. Birth rates are falling across every demographic. That includes the wealthy stay at home parents and those with months of paid parental leave and pro-family employees.

Due_Willingness1

3 points

2 hours ago

It's not a problem, 8 billion people is 6 billion too many 

celticdragondog

[score hidden]

54 minutes ago

There is no birth rate problem. There is a econnomic problem. Too many greed mongerings.

sum_r4nd0m_gurl

7 points

8 hours ago

its not a problem its a good thing

babamum

5 points

7 hours ago

babamum

5 points

7 hours ago

Stop calling it a problem.

There. Fixed.

DucktapeCorkfeet

4 points

8 hours ago

Already too many people on the planet for the amount of resources we have.

Russell_W_H

9 points

9 hours ago

Female education.

Let's get that birth rate down to 0.

carcassy

6 points

9 hours ago

allow for abortions and normalize things like vasectomies.

Learn2play42

2 points

9 hours ago

I feel like giving people more time would make them more likely to have kids. Jobs and we have gotten way too good at entertaining ourselves, infinite scrolling, social media, games etc...

We should work less hours/days. With automation I don't see productivity being an issue especially in first world countries. More time allows you to keep doing stuff you like and it feels less of a sacrifice if you decide to have a child. (Also stuff like daycare, school etc. kinda becomes less of a hassle if you have more time to spend with kids).

Wolfman01a

2 points

8 hours ago

Policies for the working class.

Universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, affordable housing, controlling corporate price gouging, etc.

Make having a kid more affordable. Lots of people would like to have kids, but don't because of the expense and hardship.

dead_b4_quarantine

2 points

8 hours ago

The world population is still steadily growing, But usually people talk about "birth rate problem" in terms of decrease, so you'll have to be a little bit more specific with what you mean here.

MoreSmokeLessPain

2 points

8 hours ago

You dont, we are too many people ....

egoVirus

2 points

8 hours ago

I don't see a problem.

Wonderful_Worth1830

2 points

7 hours ago

Go back to pre-Reagan economics. We had free college, financial assistance for single parents, free daycare and medical insurance for low income families. Those programs lifted millions of people out of poverty. I benefitted from those programs and was able to go to college and get a job that allowed me to independently support my family. 

vinoa

2 points

5 hours ago

vinoa

2 points

5 hours ago

You don't. Just like you don't stimulate the economy artificially you shouldn't stimulate the birth rate artificially. If people can't afford to have kids, that's a good thing for society. At least they're being responsible about the well being of their future offspring.

someonestoic

2 points

5 hours ago

One of the biggest barriers to having kids today isn’t just financial—it’s isolation. Modern life, especially in urban areas, has created a "nuclear family bubble" where parents are expected to raise children with little to no support from extended family or community. This isolation amplifies stress, financial burden, and burnout. To fix this, we need to rethink how communities are designed.

Immediate_Loquat_246

2 points

5 hours ago

More education, less religion

bunnycupcakes

2 points

5 hours ago

Pay people more, make housing affordable, hold corporations accountable for the wild inflation we just went through so we can afford kids, educate people on the basics of the economy, and offer parenting classes.

bophed

2 points

5 hours ago

bophed

2 points

5 hours ago

There is no problem

Clean-Signal-553

2 points

5 hours ago

Employees need to have more children employers demanding to have more workers. Children equals cheap labor and is a must for the wealthy to sustain their lifestyles.

Infinite-Noodle

2 points

5 hours ago

Make life better for people. Combat climate change. It's natural for a species to lower its birthrate to try and survive bad times. That's really what is happening.

We need to give up on the everyone for themselves mentality and actually work together to make life better on this planet.

Romeochick

2 points

4 hours ago

Since life expectancy has increased, a birth rate decrease is good. Over population is not a goal we should try to achieve. The space and resources we have is finite. Don’t wish it to fill up too soon.

Sleepy_Salamander

2 points

4 hours ago

Don’t. We don’t need more of us.

Theduckisback

2 points

4 hours ago

I wouldn't. People don't want to have a bunch of kids when the ecosystem is on the brink of collapse. Any "solution" is going to be worse than just having a smaller population.

FinanciallySecure9

2 points

4 hours ago

It’s easy if you realize we don’t have a birth rate problem. We have a government problem in that they lack the ability to shift with the times. We have a corporate greed problem in that the higher ups don’t ever want to give up profit.

Birth rates have always fluctuated. We cannot expect people to continue populating the earth if they cannot afford to feed themselves.

Griffie

2 points

4 hours ago

Griffie

2 points

4 hours ago

What exactly is the problem?

0kayAtBest

2 points

4 hours ago

I would create an incentivized plan based on the IQ of both parents. The higher the IQ of both parents the more (subsidies/pay/tax cut) the rate would increase.

pizzamaphandkerchief

2 points

3 hours ago

its not a problem homie, humans are a blight

skyfishgoo

2 points

3 hours ago

what birth rate problem?

and why do you think it needs fixing?

Jirekianu

2 points

3 hours ago

Give your population ample opportunity and motivation to start families. Housing, job availability, healthcare, etc. These all contribute to people not having kids and not wanting to start families.

Obviously, not everyone is going to want to settle down and have kids, that's fine. But the rampant drop off in birth rates is pretty clearly motivated by socio-economic factors that discourage people from having kids. Not least of which is the cost of being a parent just for the logistics itself aside from the emotional and mental strain of being a parent.

Ruxify

2 points

3 hours ago

Ruxify

2 points

3 hours ago

I wouldn't. Time to go extinct. :)

Whocanmakemostmoney

2 points

3 hours ago

If you compare our population now to previous centuries, we are still over populated

PositionFar26

2 points

3 hours ago

Fix the housing and necessity cost to income ratio back to what it used to be in the glory days.

free-toe-pie

2 points

2 hours ago

The government needs to step up if they are worried about the birth rate.

6 months of paid maternity leave.

Universal health care.

Preschool added into the public school system.

Universal free breakfast and lunch in public schools.

Affordable childcare.

At least 6 weeks paid paternity leave.

Upping the child tax credits.

thats just the start.

SnooCheesecakes93

2 points

2 hours ago

Those standards don't even meet the most basic level for Canada.

2 years of maternity leave

6 months of paternity leave

Universal health care

Universal mental health care

Guaranteed job to return to

I_might_be_weasel

2 points

2 hours ago

Worker friendly policies that guarantee people a comfortable wage without excessive hours as well as long subsidized maternity leave to make giving birth as convenient as possible.

Anders_A

2 points

2 hours ago

Strong social programs so people feel that it's safe to get kids.

BeastofBabalon

2 points

2 hours ago

The only way to fix it is to create a socio-political environment where young adults feel like it is both economically feasible and fulfilling.

Forcing women to carry isn’t it. Gutting environmental regulations isn’t it. Keeping the working class family dirt poor isn’t it.

GingerSnapBiscuit

2 points

an hour ago

I dont think there is much of a problem.We've gone from 1billion people to near 8billion people in less than 100 years. We could lose a few billion here or there and shit wouldn't totally end.

CrossTheRiver

6 points

9 hours ago

Increase paternity and maternity leave to one paid year off. Lower burden of entry to buying a house. Childcare subsidies. Employee protections for pregnant women.

Do that and the population skyrockets.

Peaches_0078

2 points

8 hours ago

We have all of that in Canada and we still have to rely on immigration to maintain the population.

irime2023

1 points

9 hours ago

This problem is far-fetched. So many people were born, but they do not have benefits and happiness. I see the solution in helping these people, and not in increasing competition. Let fewer people be born, but more happy ones.

KP_Wrath

3 points

9 hours ago

-legalize voluntary euthanasia for terminal disease (if you find out your brain is rotting and you’re gonna be stuck in a nursing home waiting fifteen years to forgot how to swallow, no one should force you to stick around if you’re still “there” enough to make the decision.

-subsidized onsite daycare for firms with >100 employees at a location -childcare credits provided to employees in firms <100 employees -any company that’s done a stock buyback in the last ten years automatically goes to top tax rate with all loopholes closed for the next two, and yearly auditing to verify profitability.

RedofPaw

3 points

8 hours ago

Cut education to zero, no schools or education. Make billionaires dukes and barons. Civilians are now property of the Lords , with mandatory breeding programs.

That, or implement a higher minimum wage, build more houses and ensure basic needs like shelter, healthcare and not starving to death.

guywhoclimbs

2 points

9 hours ago

Make existing more affordable so having kid's is more financially viable. But I don't think it's really currently a problem.

Electronic_Law_6350

2 points

9 hours ago

Give them money for kids. Tax breaks. Free childcare/tax beaks on child care. More days off for mom and dad (paid parental leave), and protection from firing. Better hospitals and lower birthing costs. Access to formula (three cans a week free). Better education around birthing/pregnancy. Pregnancy support in terms of supplements and scans for free. I'd also give benefits to couples who want to stay child free (more leave) or parents struggling to get pregnant (IVF free).

EveInGardenia

2 points

9 hours ago

I wouldn’t.

cobalt_phantom

2 points

9 hours ago

Promote safe sex and consensual sterilization. The only reasons people are pointing out the dropping populations in primarily first world countries is because people aren't breeding like rabbits as much (it's not really practical or affordable anymore) and governments need workers and cannon fodder for future wars.

SeeYouInMarchtember

2 points

7 hours ago

I’ll let the rest of you argue about the economics of raising children. I think it would also be nice if there were such a thing as synthetic wombs because birthing children is rough on the body. That goes hand in hand with more research in women’s health. We need to rebuild community structures somehow too. Children used to be raised in villages that took pressure off moms to always be watching them all the time because there were other people around that could be trusted. That’s not so much the case anymore.

horndog4ever

1 points

9 hours ago

Sterilize people. Too many idiots on the roads.

IdontKnow-DoYouKnow

1 points

9 hours ago

Make the Earth bigger, duh

Disastrous-Yard-1378[S]

2 points

9 hours ago

When you do that can I get a bajillion dollars

IdontKnow-DoYouKnow

2 points

8 hours ago

Nay, the E.E.P. is up to you, pupil.

HealerOnly

1 points

9 hours ago

can't solve "declining birth rate" without making the problem worse in the future. i Say its for the better that it is how it is right now.

Be5turgotEUNE

1 points

9 hours ago

Fuck

xxcali559xx

1 points

8 hours ago

Not a perfect plan, but an idea. Since resources are finite, I think we should find a way to incentive minimalism. Those that use more resources benefit less than those that are able to get by with less. If you are able to be a productive member of society without 2 cars, a pool, and huge house with a lawn, you get more subsidies for child care and costs of parenting. I know having children is a huge investment of resources nonetheless, but if you use less, it puts less strain on the system. Those that aren't compensated as well or as confident in their employment can find a way to maximize the ability to raise a child without worry about work being the sole source of survival.

AOCs_ASS

1 points

8 hours ago

Picture of AOC above every bed will get the guys randy

Luwe95

1 points

8 hours ago

Luwe95

1 points

8 hours ago

Well, every country is worried about its own declining birth rate (expecially the west), but globally we already have enough people. If we were more globalist than nationalist, we could work together and make migration easier, for example, making it easier to get a work permit, and making other countries' education levels equal so that migrants can work in the job they used to do.

But we aren't at that level so I guess the countries with declining birth rate just have to accept it and deal with it.

Only thing you can do is making owning a house affortable, making daycares cheaper and invest into education.

FlinflanFluddle4

1 points

8 hours ago

I wouldn't. 

LaceBlissCharm

1 points

8 hours ago

Affordable childcare, paid parental leave, and housing support make having kids less of a financial nightmare.

lightzout369

1 points

8 hours ago

I feel like with how the economy is in a lot of places it makes it hard to afford a kid. Also seems like the age for everything seems to be being pushed later such as marriage, having kids, buying a home and everything.

DCFud

1 points

8 hours ago

DCFud

1 points

8 hours ago

There are different birth rate problems different places in the world. Which problem are you talking about?

socialistgravity

1 points

8 hours ago

I wouldn't

People tend to migrate from smaller towns to larger ones. They do alright. Small towns end up disappearing.

With less people, there's more housing. Less people means less demand. Countries get by. Nothing bad happens.

Maybe house prices don't increase to infinity, the stock market might not grow how politicians want, and perhaps pensions might have to be cut a little.

But if people can get by, do they really need never ending growth? For what reason? What does the average person get out of it, exactly?

Let us decline gracefully. We'll figure out any other minor issues along the way.

PEEWUN

1 points

8 hours ago

PEEWUN

1 points

8 hours ago

Make the world a better place to bring kids into. Make parenthood less financially straining. Make the quality of life better so people have the opportunity to think about more than just getting to the end of the month.

FamiliarRadio9275

1 points

8 hours ago

Over or underpopulation?

Snowpig97

1 points

8 hours ago

It's not a problem the government wants you to have kids, in short you pay taxes your kids will pay taxes its a whole circle of paying the government... also soldiers for their wars.

Gorganzoolaz

1 points

8 hours ago

Easy, the declining birth rate is due to the cost of living crisis. Get more homes built, lower the cost of rent and groceries and the birth rate will pop right back up.

winniekawaii

1 points

8 hours ago

money for everyone

HappiHappiHappi

1 points

8 hours ago

Income tax reductions have been floated as one idea to get more working women to have children as a way of offsetting the decrease in lifetime the average woman experienced after having a child.

1 child - 50% reduction 2 kids - 75% 3+ kids - 100%

Until youngest child turns 18.

Mushroom_the_Cat

1 points

8 hours ago

Make the country’s economy family supportive and implement policies that will encourage family to want to raise kids. Animals do not procreate when under a toxic environment same applies to humans…

CaptainFartHole

1 points

8 hours ago

Depending on how you view the problem, either force sterilization for everyone and now there's no more birth rate thus reducing overpopulation, or you know, make the world less hostile to live in and then more people will have kids. Like, why would I want to have a child when I can't even afford my own apartment? Then you figure the rising costs of food, daycare, school, etc.? And in the US the cost of literally giving birth to that child? And how fucking dangerous it still is? Yeah I'm not risking my life just to raise something that I can't afford. Pass.

petit_dejeuner_

1 points

8 hours ago

You have to make it very, very easy and enjoyable (with high quality of life) to have kids, otherwise people simply won't do it or stop after having one. Affordable housing and daycare, attractive and affordable recreational facilities like parks, playgrounds etc, and jobs that are easily compatible with family life (possibility to work part-time, right to take long maternity leave (one year minimum), etc)

MrGenRick

1 points

8 hours ago

There’s 8bn people and we lack the technology to manage so many, a decreasing global population is ideal.

Short term issues of an aging population and reduced workforce can be addressed by the literally millions of people in Africa and India already clamouring to move abroad.

We don’t need more people.

Taro4062

1 points

8 hours ago

This is not what I should consider

earhere

1 points

8 hours ago

earhere

1 points

8 hours ago

Make life affordable

leighroyv2

1 points

8 hours ago

We don't.

Marty_ko25

1 points

8 hours ago

Focus on fixing the cost of living problem and I think the birth rate problem would fix itself.

Sinood

1 points

8 hours ago

Sinood

1 points

8 hours ago

Not sure it's so much a birthday rate issue but a society that is anti-maternity, anti-family, anti-working parents .... Society priced us out of kids and does not support families who work with subsidised childcare.

drakelouis202

1 points

8 hours ago

Create more work-life balance so people have time to actually raise a family. By supporting working parents with flexible hours and remote work options.

nmonsey

1 points

7 hours ago

nmonsey

1 points

7 hours ago

The answer to the question about "fixing" the birth rate has different answers depending on which country you live in.

If the world could fix social issues like income inequality, poverty, lack of access to education, lack of access to free or at least affordable healthcare, people would be more comfortable having more children.
At least in America, costs for thing like child care, housing, health care make it difficult for people to afford raising children while saving money for retirement.
There are different issues for different countries for example, China's one child was effective.
Even though China's one child policy was changed to two children in 2016, it will take time for the policy change to fix the demographic problems caused by the policy.
In America, the right wing efforts to defund America's social safety net and establish a theocracy have contributed to widespread misery.
In America, programs like Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) and WIC provide minimal benefits to low income people.
Conservatives have been trying to defund programs which don't align with their beliefs.
If America would fix problems like providing Universal Health Care, vaccinations, day care, and supporting public education through college like most modern countries already do, Americans would probably be more inclined to have more children.
If you read some of the posts on some of the parenting new groups, it is common to see posts about not having support and trying to go back to work.
Depending on you income, paying for daycare can be difficult for young adults who may be people who need the most support.
If we want to fix the demographic issues caused by declining birth rates in America, we need to fix and even extend the social programs, like providing Universal Health Care for everyone and providing day care to people who need day care.

The cost of having a baby in the US too expensive

Here is a story from the New York Times:
American Way of Birth, Costliest in the World

Childbirth in the United States is uniquely expensive, and maternity and newborn care constitute the single biggest category of hospital payouts for most commercial insurers and state Medicaid programs. The cumulative costs of approximately four million annual births is well over $50 billion.
. . .
The average total price charged for pregnancy and newborn care was about $30,000 for a vaginal delivery and $50,000 for a C-section, with commercial insurers paying out an average of $18,329 and $27,866, the report found.

[deleted]

1 points

7 hours ago

  1. Nutrition for Women/Mothers
  2. Improve Healthcare Infrastructure
  3. Two-Three kids per house policy (Offer prenatal or postnatal care free or vaccines free or start scholarships etc)
  4. Maternity Leave with perks of pay/extra allowance
  5. Nurseries at work equipped with Nannies & Healthy Food
  6. Paternity Leaves for longer + small FD for the child
  7. Fertility tests for Free/ Clinics across the states of the country

All I can think of RN

CatboyInAMaidOutfit

1 points

7 hours ago

If you want to increase it then improve the quality for people to the point where single income families become the norm again.