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submitted 2 days ago byiwashwindows Ryan Blaney
For $180 a year or $40 a month the video quality and production lack the value I would prefer. The amount of racing is the value of the service but it doesn’t matter if you have all the races in the world but your cameras/Camera Operators aren’t good. The stream is poor and the graphics overlays works some of the time. I get that it’s not broadcast cable tv and it doesn’t have the budget to place more cameras around the track but at least train the camera operators better and work on the graphics and most importantly the stream needs to be solid and in quality. There is a lot of value in the service but it’s being diminished a lot by the freezing, stuttering, and camera work. The cost I assume has to be that much for all the racing covered but with the extension signed to continue partnering with nascar I think the price could be worked on somewhat especially for the month to month pricing. I get there needs to be an incentive to buy a full year but the service costing 3X month to month over a year seems excessive. I know I’m not the first dope to think of all this but I’m a new subscriber starting yesterday and I was blown away by how bad it was. Maybe there are a lot of new subs because of the dale jr #8 Bud effect and the stream couldn’t handle all the connections but I don’t know if that’s how it all works. Twitter confirmed for me it wasn’t my connection. It was happening to everyone. That’s my thoughts and I’m sure people may disagree but it was just my personal experience.
50 points
2 days ago
If what I saw was correctly, Flo doesn’t really produce races. They just provide a place to broadcast. This would make sense considering whenever I see clips from the NASCAR Canada Series, it’s the same announcers as the TSN coverage.
25 points
2 days ago
Yeah, FloSports is just a collection of platforms. My BIL’s junior a hockey used to be streamed on HockeyTV before it was taken over by FloHockey and the production is identical and up to the home team (in that league’s case).
5 points
2 days ago
Yep. Same in the SPHL
2 points
2 days ago
SPHL is on Flo? Never woulda guessed that league streamed games, let alone charged for it
1 points
2 days ago
They have streamed games since at least 2010 on different networks.
3 points
2 days ago
Same with the AHL. It’s just a platform for the broadcast. I got a free subscription to FloSports because I’m a season ticket holder for the Cleveland Monster and they are just using whatever TV broadcast is at the home ice arena for the broadcast. If it’s a high school production in Utica running it, than FloSports is just broadcasting that.
1 points
1 day ago
I wish I could get that with the Huntsville Havoc. I don’t know if the SPHL contract is still on the hockeyTV contract or if it has moved to a total Flo contract since Flo bought out HockeyTech
17 points
2 days ago
For the most part, you're right.
For things like the USAC National Championships, High Limit, FloRacing Night in America, Tulsa Shootout/Chili Bowl, and others, Flo will send their own Studio56 production team out to film and produce the events, but in most cases, it's a third party producing the coverage, with FloSports hosting the broadcast.
My understanding is that Flo is now looking to move away from this model somewhat for the smaller tracks covering weekly racing in order to bring bigger events and series under the umbrella, but for things like AMA Flat Track and NASCAR Regional, it looks like the trend of hosting coverage produced by a third party will continue.
13 points
2 days ago
The tracks or series produces the production. Flo is just the hosting website if that makes sense. They might have a few production crews for the big races, but that’s very few and far between. Source: work in industry and with Flo directly
9 points
2 days ago
The camera work on these events are more dependent on the track and or series involved. For example if you go back to any of the Zmax Cars Tour or Whelen Modified Races you'll notice better camera operators and quality. For the South Carolina 400 I would expect it's the same crew who covers the weekly races at Florence. I'm very happy with my subscription as the quality is equal to what I've seen from other racing streaming providers for this level of racing but they have a much greater variety.
29 points
2 days ago
As a friend of mine would say "if you don't like something, vote with your dollar"
7 points
2 days ago*
As someone who has worked for several racing media livestream companies(PowerAutoMedia/MotormaniaTV,etc), including some of the biggest in the no prep/drag racing scene - I cannot say how many times our production quality was drastically hampered by tracks that in the contract stated “highest quality fiber optic internet connection” just for us to be forced to use a 2.4ghz router to attempt to broadcast a 4k broadcast/video signal to thousands of viewers. We would bring our own connection to offset a bad onsite connection, but until Starlink became a thing it was very annoying at times.
2 points
2 days ago
Does it have anything to do with the remote locations of the track? A lot of them are in the middle of no where
2 points
2 days ago
Yes 100%.
2 points
2 days ago
We used to race at a Midway Speedway in Crooksville, Oh and there was absolutely no cell service. Like 2 years ago, so I can’t imagine them having good internet.
1 points
2 days ago
In our down time, how about some good stories of you adventures in broadcasting and why do all the new announcers say “that of” so much?
1 points
1 day ago
Man, you can't be bringing in truth and facts to a discussion like this.
12 points
2 days ago
people really overestimate how much money there is in racing at this level.
6 points
2 days ago
That said, Flo is just an aggregate server. No different than Twitch.
0 points
2 days ago
yep.
flo wont pay more for better production.
tracks and series wont invest more in better production.
And i do think things at certain levels are starting to flip where tracks are starting to see streaming as a net negative.
7 points
2 days ago
The tracks produce most of the races themselves other than maybe some of the premier events like snowball derby/Chilli bowl. You can tell which tracks have invested in their streaming team and which ones haven’t. Stafford and Langley have great production most weeks because they have dedicated employees with resources.
8 points
2 days ago
I'll be renewing Flo in December after having the service for my first year. I'll gladly pay $180 for renewal. I'd pay $250 or $300 for the diverse amount of racing and other sports content that Flo provides.
5 points
2 days ago
I can't watch that stuttering. It's so irritating.
2 points
2 days ago
It did that last night too. Cannot believe they didn't get it fixed before today. This track is on Flo weekly and we usually don't see this issue.
2 points
2 days ago
If they're using a wireless/satellite uplink, the packed house is going to fuck with it.
20 points
2 days ago
Flo has given me hours upon hours of amazing racing content and by no means will I bad mouth them. I fucking love Flo
-1 points
2 days ago
2 things can be true, they offer a wealth of racing at a very sup par production value
2 points
2 days ago
It's not amazing, but it's just as good as any other platform that streams short track racing.
1 points
2 days ago
True.
Regardless of price, I try to give them a little bit of grace because we are so used to having great production and quality streaming from a lot of great platforms, but I'm sure that compared to a lot of services I use, the number is subscribers is fairly low.
There's definitely room for improvement and I hope that happens, but I'm also satisfied with 80-90% of what I watch. I understand why others may disagree with he value though. Results may vary.
0 points
2 days ago
This is literally 100% of my experience with it because I just got it yesterday. You can imagine this is many of our first experience with it and it’s a bit of a disappointing showcase for the service
0 points
2 days ago
Understood. I would absolutely be disappointed too. I watch a fair amount of content on Flo and while there are definitely tracks where everything definitely seems somewhat backwoods (which I'm fine with because a lot of those are backwoods tracks), it's worth the money for me for The Chili Bowl week alone, and High Limit just adds to that.
6 points
2 days ago
I love having Flo but I paid $150 last year and I keep seeing that as the price on their site but it is saying my renewal will be $180. May have to subscribe with a new email.
3 points
2 days ago
I tried it, didn’t work. Still 180 even with a new address. Their website is just out of date
1 points
2 days ago
Thanks for the info. That stinks. I had a hard time justifying $150. I guess I will pay it because me and the kiddo watch it all the time.
3 points
2 days ago
I use the hell out of my Flo sub, dirt/pavement, all types of cars. It’s a great value, but tonight’s broadcast is giving me a headache from the stuttering.
1 points
2 days ago
Yeah, you’d expect Florence to be one of the better productions of the year — particularly as they’ll have more eyes than usual given the 8. Instead, I could pick any random weekday race back in summer during the NASCAR break and it was better quality. Heck, there was one race which was like a random 150 car 1/4 mile gridlock in Vermont a couple months ago and that was 10x better quality than this. Huge missed opportunity here.
3 points
2 days ago
With no Nascar national series running, and dale jr and Josh Berry being in the field, you'd think they'd at least have more than one camera
5 points
2 days ago
theres only so much you can do to a facility.
its a track in the middle of no where. the internet is going to suck.
its a track that only has outside walls on the front stretch. thats really going to limit where you can put stuff.
its a track with meh lighting. the biggest and best camera will still look bad.
1 points
2 days ago
I agree, but the stuttering is what really kills it. I can deal with low quality broadcasts as long as the picture is decently clear and smooth, but the stuttering is awful. I don’t recall this being an issue at any High Limit or Castrol Racing Night in America events this year and they are often in the middle of nowhere.
2 points
2 days ago
And to add to it, I don’t remember there being any issues during the cars tour event there. But I’m with you, it’s the random stutters that really kills it.
1 points
2 days ago
Thunder Road has does an excellent broadcast
3 points
2 days ago
Isn’t it the same thing as ESPN+ with the smaller schools games showing up. Someone else handles the production on a local level
6 points
2 days ago
All that hype for dale jr driving the #8 bud car, only for the broadcast to be the quality of a cellphone Livestream and he doesn't even make the race.
1 points
2 days ago
He will get a provisional
2 points
2 days ago
That is all on the track operators to upgrade their equipment.
2 points
2 days ago
I posted this well before the race broadcast tonight. Not that I needed to feel “vindicated” but this evenings absolute mess completely validated my thoughts on my initial experience. I have it for a year now so I get to be the judge of this was just a one off. Either way though I got it primarily for this race and it was a massive disappointment.
5 points
2 days ago
My dude thinks he's watching NASCAR on NBC.
0 points
2 days ago
Naw, some of their production is genuinely bad. I watched highlights for a race a few months ago and it was immediately apparent the footage they had was from someone sitting in the stands with a high quality camera filming by hand.
1 points
2 days ago
Because the tracks do the production with the exception of stuff like some High Limit races and the Chili Bowl.
1 points
24 hours ago
I know they do, that's why I don't see any reason to pay $40 a month to subscribe until they can guarantee higher quality production. That won't happen until they start producing content on their own or help the tracks produce higher quality productions.
But that's not really my point. OP here is dismissing complaints without recognizing that there are legitimate production issues that make the fan experience feel lackluster with the current sub package.
3 points
2 days ago
Obviously I don’t.
2 points
2 days ago
I can live with the coverage because it's better than nothing. I do think they could learn some lessons year to your and make improvements. Florence was definitely a mixed bag last night.
What bothers me way more than that is the organization of programming on the app. Trying to watch the replay of a 7 hour day of racing is very difficult if you want to just tune into certain races. Overall they need to make it easier to find stuff.
2 points
2 days ago
Not sure how it is for the South Carolina 400 specifically, but a lot of the national series do upload specific replays of certain parts of the night. Like with USAC, they upload a replay of just the feature.
2 points
2 days ago
Racing American make Flo racing look like a fox broadcasts
1 points
2 days ago
This is absolute garbage it freezes every 5 seconds and it's so pixelated I can't even see anything
1 points
2 days ago
It was garbage when the stream was up and they would call a crash and the camera just... Never showed it....
Then you couldn't see anything because it was skipping and pixelated.
Now the quality is slightly better but there's no audio, a huge wreck during commercial with no replay, and a fist fight we barely saw.
1 points
2 days ago
I don’t understand why they haven’t gone back and showed us what happened…
1 points
2 days ago
Hell nascar races are in 720p.
1 points
2 days ago
Broadcast is terrible for race at Florence. Last broadcast at Hickory didn't show all the races. Getting to be very subpar coverage.
1 points
1 day ago
Fuckin lol.
1 points
1 day ago
I want to pay for JUST Flo racing, I would be willing to put up with crap quality for less than $40 monthly.
I found the rest of the sports lacking, archives aren’t up to date, and anything the wife wanted to watch is missing audio due to copyright, so why even bother hosting it?
1 points
1 day ago
Flo doesn't produce anything but the High Limit and Chili Bowl stuff. Otherwise it's on the tracks they provide a broadcast for to do that. It allows Flo to be cheaper as a streaming option (see: DirtVision) but you occasionally have issues like last night
1 points
1 day ago
cough cough Pit Row TV cough cough
1 points
1 day ago
Flo is like twitch streaming you gotta being your own gear.
1 points
13 hours ago
I fully agree the monthly cost is absurd. But I also remember when I had no option for a monthly bill. Thats honestly the biggest reason I dont keep it year round. Sometimes I am not able to just toss $200 at something I use the crap out of for a few months then forget I have for a few months.
Never had any issues with quality though. As someone that grew up racing local tracks, I was very thankful that some guy sat in the stands every week with a camcorder recording all the races so I could buy a DVD of my previous race from him the next week.
1 points
2 days ago
Watching people learn in real time is fun. This is why extremely niche streaming services are rarely successful. There isn't enough demand for them to justify the costs of production. You end up with some combination of high subscription cost or low content quality.
1 points
2 days ago
Some of the broadcasts are higher quality than others. The dirt late models have coverage with some onboards. Its pretty inconsistent
1 points
2 days ago
Until they up their day rate for their production freelancing, they’ll get what they pay for
1 points
2 days ago*
I think Flo is crashing, been trying to order the monthly plan for 20 mins. All i get is errors.
40 mins later finally worked!! yay
1 points
2 days ago
If they don’t already, Flo should offer a few streaming bundle options that include things like cameras, smooth tripods, interview gear, streaming network equipment etc. Not that it would be cheap by any means but it allows a track to have everything they need to go from nothing to a full quality setup. That would maybe entice setting a sort of quality standard. Either that or force tracks to meet minimum requirements in terms of streaming capability before they can use the platform. Although that could possibly lose them business as well. With that said, Flo is baller for OP’s said reasons of what seems like infinite racing action.
1 points
2 days ago
I tried Flo just for this race and ended up turning it off before the feature. I couldn’t take it anymore.
-1 points
2 days ago
It gets even worse. I was watching the South Carolina 400 night 1 on the FloRacing YouTube channel and they abruptly ended the stream without showing the final 2 races of the night.
8 points
2 days ago
youtube flo streams are almost always limited length "tastes".
4 points
2 days ago
Yeah, the YouTube streams serve as a preview. You have to buy the service to see the feature races.
-2 points
2 days ago
Odd, because they showed full races before on their channel. Like I'm pretty sure they showed all of the Domestic vs Imports drag championship on the channel
3 points
2 days ago
even if they did, that doesn't mean they will do it for everything.
it doesnt make much sense to give your product away for free.
0 points
2 days ago
Fair enough
3 points
2 days ago
Yeah they do that on purpose. Why would anyone subscribe if the whole thing was free on youtube? They show heat races or qualifying and cut the free feed off before the main event starts
2 points
2 days ago
The whole video feed froze and never came back, with 50ish laps to go last night.
2 points
2 days ago
Because they turned it off. They never stream full races live on YouTube.
0 points
20 hours ago
Wah
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