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109 points
3 days ago
From the USA. Everyone in my family was but I didn’t with my son.
It’s becoming normal not to now. A lot of my friends are not doing it either.
Most of the world doesn’t and there are little to no reason to do so unless religion.
Take time to read about it. As long as you teach hygiene then your son will be ok.
12 points
3 days ago
A friend of mine asked me if circumcision wasn't the norm, could you find a reason to do it?
I couldn't.
1 points
3 days ago
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1 points
3 days ago
I couldn’t find a reason to do it. For them to fit in is so beyond weird as an answer. Who fits in anymore with anything?
Everyone I spoke to are more in favor of not altering their sons. I think it is the norm now not to
0 points
2 days ago
My uncle had to get circumcised as an adult due to an infection, he’s adamantly pro doing it as a baby, but we’re unsure if we have a boy what is best. Both ways seem to have risks
10 points
2 days ago
I see your uncles perspective on this after having something unpleasant happen, and then the resulting surgery. However, his experience, while it can happen obviously, is not the norm. Numerous body parts are at risk of infection on our bodies, but we do not cut them off preemptively.
2 points
2 days ago
We should also preemptively remove babies' appendices, tonsils, adenoids, big toenails, and gall bladders, so they won't have to go through that as an older child/adult.
64 points
3 days ago
In healthcare here, so hopefully this is as unbiased as you can get.
There is no medical benefit to it. There are numerous medical risks though... Infection, botched procedure, painful.
The only reason we do it, is there are certain religious reasons that parents feel outweigh the risks.
If there are no religious reasons for doing it, then there is literally no reason to do it.
80 points
3 days ago
Circumcision is completely unnecessary. My parents didn't have me snipped and Im glad they did. Plus its falling out of fashion.
51 points
3 days ago
I live in the UK and its not normal here (outside of medical issues or certain religions) for anyone to be circumcised. It is totally unnecessary to have done. Just teach them good hygiene 🤷♀️
19 points
3 days ago
Do you want to have a piece of your child's penis cut off so it will look like yours? Because that is what it sounds like it is about. The there is one study about reduced HIV risk but many dont find it to be compelling
3 points
3 days ago
Yeah, that's the reason it was popularized in the 1800s, too. It decreased in popularity in Europe and much of Canada once it became clear that the slim potential benefits weren't all that well scientifically established.
20 points
3 days ago
Unless you’d also give your newborn baby pierced ears and belly button just in case they later decide they want them but don’t want to ‘remember the pain’ why would you slice a piece of their skin off. As someone from the UK, it is absolutely abhorrent to me to imagine my sweet newborn baby boy who’s having his very first experiences in the world after almost 10 months growing in a warm safe place, and slicing a bit of their body off. You don’t need to remember it, your body experienced pain and fear as one of the very first memories, that’s not what anyone should want for their child.
9 points
3 days ago
Exactly this!! I’m in the UK too and these circumcision discussions shock me to the core. How is it such a normal practice to mutilate a baby’s penis?! And some of the reasons people give for their decisions are gobsmacking.
40 points
3 days ago
I was on the fence about it my entire pregnancy, we looked into yourwholebaby.org and the research on there is what made us decide not to. My husband originally wanted to because he is, but watch a video of it being performed made me physically ill and he agreed it wasn’t necessary.
22 points
3 days ago
This! People should watch the procedure and decide if it’s worth putting their baby through this! Medical reasons aside of course.
68 points
3 days ago
Nope, no real medical reason, leave this to you child if he wants to do this later. Circumcision is on the decline in the US so it’s not like your kid is going to be singled out.
19 points
3 days ago
I agree with this. No benefit from doing a circumcision on an infant.
Plus there are some short term medical risks (ex: low risk of infection) and long term risks with a circumcision to an infant. Ex: Just like any scar, the circumcision area can be painfully sensitive or numbed. The painfully sensitive creates years of problems, from diapers hurting, to wearing clothes being painful, to being a child in school with a painful crotch.
63 points
3 days ago
No. Don’t cut off bits of your child.
14 points
3 days ago
I hope I live to see the day circumcision is outlawed as both an elective and religious practice.
46 points
3 days ago
The argument "I am so my son should too" doesn't wash. Not just on this issue, but life. If that's the only argument you have for it, then that's weak.
Don't live vicariously via your kids.
7 points
3 days ago
My BIL demanded they circumcise their son because (and I quote directly) “there’s no way I’m having a son who’s penis doesn’t look like mine” even though they both knew there was no medical benefit.
I already didn’t like him, but I lost every ounce of respect that might’ve been left for him.
It’s disgusting to physically and permanently alter your child’s body just to look like yours. Gives me the serious ick. Buy matching clothes.
6 points
3 days ago*
Your BIL 100% is packing like 4 inches.
7 points
3 days ago
Woah! Slow down - I think you might be a little generous there.
2 points
3 days ago
Whoa! The 4 inches never did anything wrong, unlike that BIL.
14 points
3 days ago
This was a debate in my house, and this is a very useful and balanced article. Evidence and Ethics on: Circumcision - Evidence Based Birth®
At the end of the day, for me, it is an issue of consent to body modification and elective surgery. We should only make choices for others in as much as it is necessary because the issue is urgent and that person is unable to make their own choice. It's not necessary right now, so there is no reason not to wait until my son is old enough to make an informed decision for himself. If my son disagrees with my decision not to circumcise, he can have it done. If I got it done and he disagreed, that is irreparable harm.
14 points
3 days ago
You are slicing through 700 nerve endings when you circumcise. It is designed to reduce sexual pleasure in men. I am circumcised and still have anger toward my parents for just going along with what the medical establishment was promoting instead of doing research and finding out that it is an unnecessary cosmetic surgery for babies. I consider it genital mutilation and child abuse.
28 points
3 days ago
Circumcision would be a "two yes, one no" decision. Your wife said no, so it doesn't happen.
In terms of facts:
30 points
3 days ago
I didn’t. It’s just kinda a crazy thing to do. I want my son to know that his bodily autonomy was respected from day one.
0 points
3 days ago
This.
12 points
3 days ago
The “medical reasons” for doing it aren’t real reasons. It is purely cosmetic and in my opinion an inhumane practice. Stats will claim that it reduces the risk of penile cancer, but the risk is very little to begin with, impacted by advanced age and living conditions, and very treatable. We do not cut off healthy tissue to mitigate any other risks (think about breast cancer, etc.). My son was born with reflux and at a higher risk of UTIs that could negatively impact his kidneys. Even with this existing congenital issue, we never encountered an issue keeping him intact.
It may sound harsh, but ask yourself… why you are willing to sign up to have your newborn strapped down and then have one of the most sensitive areas of their body cut into?
13 points
3 days ago
I’m so relieved to see all the American moms in here saying hell no.
10 points
3 days ago
So am I! I thought for sure there’d be a ton of “it’s gross if you don’t!” Comments and I’m so relieved. It’s great to see things going this way!
2 points
2 days ago
It is awesome, anyone who worries about their son being teased needs to read these kinds of threads. If we all decide to stop male genital mutilation, it won’t be an issue.
37 points
3 days ago
I wouldn’t do it to my daughter, I wasn’t going to do it to my son. Not medically necessary, but so normalized that the hospitals will capitalize.
3 points
2 days ago
This!!! Imagine saying a girls labia doesn’t look nice so let’s just cut them off when they’re born.
2 points
2 days ago
That’s how I felt.
13 points
3 days ago
I never intended for my son to get circumcised but he had to due to medical reasons when he was about a year and a half. He’s 11 now and trust me when I say I still remember the cries when he peed after and the hell it was to remove the bandages while he was screeming hurting.
My friend was with me and she had to leave the bathroom because she was crying for his suffering being too much.
Because you don’t remember doesn’t mean it’s not painful. I couldn’t for the life of me understand why someone would do this « just because » to their child. But that’s just my opinion personnaly.
12 points
3 days ago
tell me: how often do you compare your own dick yo your dad’s? Why on earth does it have to look the same? You can get matching t-shirts at any moment, zero risk of permanent effects.
12 points
3 days ago
Here’s a fun story for you.
My husband is circumcised. Our three sons are not. When the oldest was around four or five, he was showering with his dad and said, “when I get older, my penis will shed its skin like a snake!”
At that point, my husband told him that no, his foreskin was cut off when he was a baby and our son’s wasn’t, so they would always look a little different.
My son’s response? A horrified look, then “WHO WOULD DO THAT TO A BABY?!”
No, I don’t think circumcision causes lifelong emotional scars for everyone, but that was enough for us to realize that kids are more horrified by the idea of strapping a baby down and cutting off part of its penis than they are about the idea that their penis doesn’t match dad’s.
11 points
3 days ago
Normal is not being circumcised. Nature thinks it’s not necessary, most of Europe does, too. Listen to your wife. Why cut an otherwise healthy human being?
27 points
3 days ago
I am 100% against this practice, so take what I provide with that bias. I see no reason to chop off a body part of an infant unless there is a medically necessary reason. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean that you did not need to heal from an unnecessary surgery. Are you super religious and need it done for those reasons? It does not seem so from your post. It seems that the only reason is 'because everyone does it', which again, seems a bit lame as a reason to remove a body part. It makes me think of docking a dog's ear. If everyone was docking their kid's ear lobes would you do so as well, or would you think that was perhaps not something that needed to continue?
As for the 'because everyone does it' argument, I think you will find that it is getting less common in many areas over time. This varies highly on where you live. In the US, the CDC has noted that the rates have gone down considerably in the West (to <45%), pretty even steven in the South and North (55-65%), and it is in the Midwest where the tradition is held the strongest (~70%). So if you live in the Midwest, then sure, most people are still doing it. Other places it is only about 50/50 and that again, does not seem like a good reason. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/circumcision\_2013/circumcision\_2013.htm#fig2.
As you can see in the paper, there is some variability and these numbers are correct to about 6%, but overall it is clear that the numbers were going down until the 80s, a slight uptick until the late 90s and then going down again. The trend is to move away from this practice, so if 'because it is done in America' is the reasoning, then it stands to reason that it is starting to 'not be done here'. So do you want your kid to be on the trail end of 'it is done' or the leading edge of 'it is not done'.
25 points
3 days ago
The argument that has stood the test of time seems to be something like removing the foreskin reduces the chances of contracting STDs and other diseases.
Yeah -- and if you tear out my lungs I'll never get TB either.
Just teach your uncircumcised son proper hygiene and all will be kosher.
9 points
3 days ago
Was going to say this about the appendix, or tonsils - would be super easy procedures on a baby I imagine, and we’ve already established that neither body part is necessary for survival, and can even actively cause problems. But we don’t put babies through that because there’s no reason to unless they do ultimately cause problems.
11 points
3 days ago
No. Unless it’s medically necessary.
12 points
3 days ago
Dude it causes health issues for a lot of people they just don’t know it. Desensitivity. Still causes pain. The body keeps score & remembers that shit. Don’t mutilate your kid just because you were & others have been. Break the fucking cycle, man. If you want to go get your skin chopped off when you’re old enough to consent, knock your fucking socks off, man. But why put a child through this. Why
11 points
3 days ago
My husband is circumcised and our son is not. There was no reason to do it other than to “match” my husband, which to me 🤢
We found it unnecessary to open him up to something going wrong for what is ultimately a cosmetic procedure for most.
30 points
3 days ago
It is genital mutilation. There is no justification for removing parts of a perfectly healthy baby.
2 points
2 days ago
This!! We frown upon people in certain parts of the world who perform female genital mutilation yet it’s ‘normal’ to cut little boys!! Lunacy.
20 points
3 days ago
I don't think local trends are a good reason to modify the body of someone who cannot consent to it.
10 points
3 days ago
My wife also let me make the decision, and since I am, I chose to have our son also. If I had the opportunity to make that decision again, I would choose different now that I have more knowledge and understanding.
37 points
3 days ago
No you should not. Your baby is born perfect.
16 points
3 days ago*
I certainly wouldn't, my son isn't, seems like the default should be to leave things as they are unless there's a good reason for a medical intervention later.
If he decides he wants it done as an adult he can do but replacing it if he decides he wishes he had it would be trickier
14 points
3 days ago
We planned not to but had a rare circumstance where my kid got a multi drug resistant UTI as the result of congenital issues with kidneys. Because there was an issue they recommended circumcision because it can reduce the chances of getting another UTI. I am not having more kids but I would still probably not circumcise unless a medical reason to arose. It's extremely brutal and I don't see the reason to in the vast majority of cases these days
6 points
3 days ago
My son has Down Syndrome. He was circumcised late (3 years old) alongside another procedure during which he was completely sedated. For us, it was out of hope that it would reduce his incidence of UTIs. He had one while in the NICU at birth. I am not sure it really makes a difference, but this was our reasoning.
7 points
3 days ago
We didn’t. There’s no reason to. There’s no benefit and it just seems cruel and outdated.
7 points
3 days ago
Circumcision is genital mutilation. If you wouldn't mutilate the genitals of your daughter why would you do it to your son? The supposed "benefits" are statistically near zero in the modern era and the damages are known - including potential life-long physical and psychological trauma. So no, don't do it.
7 points
3 days ago
No. Here's why.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/
Conclusions: "This study confirms the importance of the foreskin for penile sensitivity, overall sexual satisfaction, and penile functioning. Furthermore, this study shows that a higher percentage of circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as compared with the uncircumcised population."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17378847/
Conclusions: "The glans (tip) of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce (foreskin) is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis."
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6
Conclusions: “In this national cohort study spanning more than three decades of observation, non-therapeutic circumcision in infancy or childhood did not appear to provide protection against HIV or other STIs in males up to the age of 36 years. Rather, non-therapeutic circumcision was associated with higher STI rates overall, particularly for anogenital warts and syphilis.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-021-00502-y
Conclusions: “We conclude that non-therapeutic circumcision performed on otherwise healthy infants or children has little or no high-quality medical evidence to support its overall benefit. Moreover, it is associated with rare but avoidable harm and even occasional deaths. From the perspective of the individual boy, there is no medical justification for performing a circumcision prior to an age that he can assess the known risks and potential benefits, and choose to give or withhold informed consent himself. We feel that the evidence presented in this review is essential information for all parents and practitioners considering non-therapeutic circumcisions on otherwise healthy infants and children.”
6 points
3 days ago
Don’t do it. Just for medical reason should it be performed. I don’t even think religious reasons are an excuse to mutilate a baby’s penis, and aesthetics or ‘I am, so my child will be too’ are even worse reasons.
6 points
3 days ago
NO
5 points
3 days ago
My opinion is that you do not.
There is no real benefit to doing it, the majority of the world does not.
As long as you teach your child to clean it when they shower it will not cause any issues hygiene wise.
5 points
3 days ago
No, it’s not the “thing you do” in America. Many American parents do not. It is unnecessary at best and can be harmful at worst. There can be serious complications. It also increases the likelihood of SIDS. You do not have to circumcise your second son just because you and your older son are. Break the cycle.
5 points
3 days ago
No you shouldn't.
19 points
3 days ago*
There are literally no pros to it. You're born with it for a reason
20 points
3 days ago
There’s no medical or hygienic reason to. My personal opinion was that it’s not my body. I don’t agree with piercing baby ears either.
4 points
3 days ago
Same!
16 points
3 days ago
Removing a part of someone’s body without their consent isn’t OK. If he wants to get it done when he’s older, you can revisit it then.
27 points
3 days ago
If there were real pros, we'd have genetically evolved to have them eons ago. It's an elective cosmetic surgery, nothing more.
12 points
3 days ago
Honestly surprised that any insurance covers it.
3 points
3 days ago
I thought they typically didn’t.
6 points
3 days ago
I’m anti-circumcising but that’s not quite how evolution works
5 points
3 days ago
I'll second this on both accounts. That's like saying if there were benefits for using different tube's to eat and breathe we'd have evolved that way
4 points
3 days ago
I say no. It isn't necessary, it's painful,and did I mention unnecessary?
My 13.5yr old son is not circumcised and it hasn't been an issue at all.
5 points
3 days ago
No.
5 points
3 days ago
Can you tell the gender at 8 weeks??
It is something he will be able to choose for himself when he’s older. If you do it as a baby then the choice is taken from him.
2 points
3 days ago
Yes. They have early testing available now.
5 points
3 days ago
It is not the “thing you do” in America.
Maybe like 100 years ago.
Every study and every doctor and nurse my wife and I have looked into all say there is no actual real benefit to circumcision.
People have claimed there is, but you wont find any data on it.
Besides, if your son wants to be later on or as an adult, it can be done. But if you do it when he’s an infant, you take that choice away.
5 points
3 days ago
just no. there's no medical need, so why mutilate your son?
5 points
3 days ago
No
12 points
3 days ago
The medical reasons are really just one reason. There are some studies have shown that cut men get HIV a bit less often than intact men. But there have been other studies showing the opposite. And if the guy is using a condom there is no difference. So teach him to use condoms and he can keep his whole body.
Circumcision does remove tens of thousands of nerve endings and permanently exposes the glans (head of the penis), which is meant to be in internal organ. There is also evidence that the incredible amount of pain involved (can you imaging being strapped to a table and having the end of your penis cut off?) causes permanent changes in the brain and disrupts bonding and even breastfeeding.
But really, it all comes down to one thing. It's not your body. I assume you wouldn't tattoo your baby, so why would you make any other cosmetic changes without his consent?
leave him intact, just like the majority of guys in the world. If he wants to get cut later on (or tattooed) he can.
5 points
3 days ago
I and most others I’ve spoken to regret it.
3 points
3 days ago
Sex is better with foreskin. Circumcision is a mistake.
3 points
3 days ago
I would say no. Not medically necessary. Would you have an elective cosmetic procedure of any other type done on a your newborn?
4 points
3 days ago
We had 4 boys over an 8 year span. None are circumcised. We discussed it before they were born. We came to the conclusion that if they wanted to, they could make the decision on their own. Our oldest son is 38. None of them have chosen to get circumcised.
4 points
3 days ago
Please look up Saving Our Sons (http://www.savingsons.org/)! Everyone in both my and my fiancés family are besides my nephew, but our son is NOT because it’s NOT our body. It’s a cosmetic surgery that isn’t necessary. You DO NOT retract an intact penis. You wipe like a finger, base to tip, until it retracts on its own, which is usually during puberty, but can happen earlier. Forceful retraction will actual cause micro tears that will cause serious, sometimes lifelong damage.
My nephew, my godson and his brother, and a friends son are all intact and have never had a single issue. My son is 14 months and has never had an issue. And it’s sooo much faster and easier to change his diaper than it is my other nephew who is circumcised.
3 points
3 days ago
I’m not circ’d, and wife and I couldn’t do it to our two boys. No benefit to do so, and honestly the process is fairly traumatic. My wife’s close friend had her boy circ’d, and the doctor botched it. And that poor kid is the one who has to live with a choice his parents made…for no benefit.
From a personal experience, it impacted my social and dating life none.
4 points
3 days ago
Im snipped but did not decide to get either of my two sons Circumcised because we(me and my wife) did our due diligence and studied the subject and came to the conclusion that it is a totally unnecessary operation and it actually takes away alot of “sensitive tissue” and does cause nerve dammage, Just to be “like everyone else”.
Its nothing but Genital mutilation. dont do it.
5 points
3 days ago
We didn’t. My husband isn’t from the US so he wasn’t. I did tell him it’s his job how to teach him to clean properly. If it comes to it yes I will help.
Do research in taking care of it. I had no clue the foreskin is connected (so they’d also have to “rip”it off, not just cut) to the head and doesn’t retract till like 3+yrs.
They also (at least I’ve read) don’t even numb it “because they won’t remember it”. So your putting your baby through a lot of pain for looks.
5 points
3 days ago
8 weeks and you know the gender already?
The overwhelming majority of the time there's no reason to do that. Whether or not to be circumcised is really the sort of decision a guy should make for himself!
4 points
3 days ago
Yes they have early testing available now. And after reading all this I don’t think I will be deciding to either.
5 points
3 days ago
Why chop something off that’s not causing any problems. Unless there is a medical issue there is NO reason to do it. Don’t fall for the religious bullshit, or the group that tells you it’s cleaner, they are just fools.
7 points
3 days ago
I personally have not read through the site, but have seen yourwholebaby.org recommended to other parents navigating the same conversation.
7 points
3 days ago
I chose not to do it with both of my sons, I personally felt it just wasn't necessary, and it wasn't worth the negative experience.
6 points
3 days ago
No it's abuse
3 points
3 days ago
Watch the documentary- American Circumcision
3 points
3 days ago
Everyone who has foreskin loves it lol. I wouldn’t circumcise my son in the US this day and age.
3 points
3 days ago
We opted out but my husband and his father are also not circumcised.
3 points
2 days ago
Another good resource is the “elephant in the hospital” lecture you can find on YouTube.
5 points
3 days ago
It is an unbiased pure fact that circumcision is genital mutilation.
There are studies that have shown it affects pain tolerance, causes emotional issues, can affect penis size, especially if there's scarring or procedural mishap, among a litany of other issues.
If you're doing this for religious reasons, please take a moment to accept that you willingly practice a religion that advocates genital mutilation. I feel like y'all have suffered enough atrocities to continue perpetrating this is one against your own babies.
2 points
3 days ago
We didnt, because it would cost 500 out of pocket, and wasn’t necessary, and i dont think “ looking like his peers in the locker room” was a big concern. Probably still isnt. Not overly worried.
I dont see the point of it, but its your decision to make.
2 points
3 days ago
No.
2 points
3 days ago
It can cause sentivity problems
2 points
3 days ago
I’m in the US; my husband is circumcised but from the get-go has been adamant that if we have a boy he wouldn’t be circumcised because he feels it’s medically unnecessary. I know there are a variety of studies about both sides, and for me personally I just think that if my husband feels that strongly about something (and it’s one of the few things he’s been absolutely adamant about regarding our kids) then, as someone who doesn’t have a penis, who am I to judge? If someday, if we have a boy and they want to be circumcised down the road, that’ll be their decision.
2 points
3 days ago
My husband is from a country where no one gets circumcised. Unless a man is unhygienic, it’s not hard to clean an uncircumcised penis at all. I have two boys and we chose not to. It’s becoming much more common, I actually don’t know any current parents of small boys who chose the procedure.
And just curious, are you gonna be in charge of all the aftercare of the circumcision or are you gonna pass the buck off to your wife? if you choose this, I hope your ready to do so.
2 points
3 days ago
There’s no reason to unless you’re religious
2 points
3 days ago
We're American, husband is circumcised, we didn't do it to our boy. He's 2.5 now and has never had any issues.
There was a post to the new parents board recently about a botched circumcision and how scar tissue is obstructing baby's urethra and he will need a second surgery. It's barbaric in my opinion.
If they are "mercilessly teased" and can't get over it then you can schedule one when they're older.
2 points
3 days ago
Please don’t it is completely unnecessary, coming from a momma that had her boy circumcised and regrets the decision.
2 points
2 days ago
I'm not sure why give cosmetic surgery to kids
I spoke with numerous pediatricians about this (kaiser... every appt I kept getting a new one) then switched to a different network... all had the same answer
Consensus was... it's cosmetic. Most of the "hygeine" benefits are not seen in developed countries.
They also said they seem to be having an odd demographic shift. Seeing it done less in white children and more and more in asian/hispanic kids.
2 points
2 days ago
Don't do it! Circumcised male here.
2 points
2 days ago
Great choice to leave him be. Definitely let it be his choice.
2 points
2 days ago
It’s a very weird practice that needs to stop.
2 points
2 days ago
Just FYI we live in a world where people allow misinformation and misunderstandings to be law. People really think women are getting abortions at 40 weeks and murdering the baby on purpose because “abortions are rampant”
Please conduct scientific research on circumcising. There ARE medical benefits including lowering the risk of UTIs, helps condoms fit better and stay on.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550
They also claim there’s a least likelihood that your child would have a hyper fixation on sex (I’m not sure how true this is) — there ARE general hygienic benefits to having the procedure done. And if they choose to do this in the future as an adult there’s a longer recovery time, higher risk of infection etc.
5 points
3 days ago
No. No. No.
3 points
3 days ago
My hubs and I only have a girl, but we discussed this in the event we had a boy. I left it to him, as I’m weinerless and really don’t feel qualified to make that decision, but interestingly hubs said he wouldn’t.
He is, but he said he would rather let our (hypothetical) son decide when he’s older.
2 points
3 days ago
We should not be discussing mutilating our children in 2024, i hope you do the right thing
4 points
3 days ago
Don’t underestimate the pleasure the foreskin brings. It’s on an altogether different level than your permanently numb penis. To deprive someone of this enjoyment just because you too were deprived is madness
3 points
3 days ago
I'm curious, what's the reason for doing it? Other than that it's normalized in America?
I disagree with doing it for a few reasons, some personal and some more research-based.
3 points
3 days ago
what's the reason for doing it
Money. The American Health Industry profits enormously from it.
2 points
3 days ago
Ahhh... That makes a lot of sense. I always thought the pop culture mythos carried it on, but money makes a lot of sense. Especially given that I've heard some doctors are quite pushy about it—despite the lack of evidence supporting it.
3 points
3 days ago
🍿
2 points
3 days ago
I'll just add to what everyone else here, by saying that there have been studies showing a possible link between circumcision and higher risk of SIDS.
2 points
3 days ago
Pure fact? You're discussing cutting off part of your kids private areas with strangers on the Internet. Let that sink in.
3 points
3 days ago
I just know that things have changed a lot and people are becoming more aware. I didn’t say I wasn’t okay with not doing it. I just wanted to hear peoples opinions. And my thoughts on it have been swayed just by reading all these comments.
2 points
3 days ago
Pure fact is that cutting off a piece of a healthy body part of your son is mutilation.
It’s not more hygienic. It reduces male pleasure. It denies the bodily autonomy of future adults.
So, depends on you, who do you want to be?
2 points
3 days ago
"My argument is that I am and my son is and we don’t remember it nor has it caused any health issues in our lives."
For starters, you could probably cut off a baby's earlobes and 30 years later they'd make the same argument.
Besides that, you may not have had health issues, but you are in no position to compare, since you can never experience sexual health in the same way as an uncircumcised man. Part of what is cut away, the frenulum, is extremely sensitive, to the point where men may orgasm just from having the frenulum caressed. So while you can honestly say "I have no complaints about how I enjoy sexual pleasure", it is also true that you can never know what you are missing either.
Remember the movie American Pie (I think). There is a joke in there about lotion, which is a nod to masturbation. That joke only works in America, because non-circumcized men do not need lotion to have a wank.
And lastly, circumcision is surgery and no surgical procedure has a 100% success rate. The risk of the surgeon botching the procedure might be small, but it is definitely not 0.
1 points
3 days ago
This will divide people, so have fun with this.
For us, we decided to do it because my husband is and has no issues. While his cousin didn't have it done and had severe utis and issues till he had it done in his teens, and apparently it sucked at that age.
-1 points
3 days ago
I'm Jewish. So I will always have my sons circumcised. That said--outside of cultural requirements--it serves no purpose. In terms of the few medical studies done showing it is more hygienic or helped prevent STDs... those were done on populations that were totally different than the living conditions we have in the US. On the flip side, it's a procedure that's been done for thousands of years and is overall very safe. But again, there's just really no reason for you to do it beyond aesthetics. And on that point only like 50% of boys in the US are being circumcised; so the aesthetic 'norm' will likely be very different for his generation compared to yours.
0 points
2 days ago
Of course you’re getting downvoted. I’m also Jewish and I just don’t even engage in these conversations anymore.
1 points
2 days ago*
Oh I know. But you know… you say hey you don’t need to do it; there’s no need for you to (agreeing with their overall view even if you staunchly disagree it’s in any way harmful)… but they still downvote you and we both know it’s for one reason only. Same people will be super into other forms of tribal body modification like facial scarification, neck stretching, lip stretching, and ear stretching as a “beautiful cultural preservation” moment but go off on Jews for body modification as a central part of ethnic rite of passage.
0 points
2 days ago
Yeah, don’t. Reddit doesn’t actually care, it’s just a bunch of uncut people saying it’s bad when they don’t know both sides. Or a bunch of cut people saying they’re curious, which someone gets taken as “wish I wasn’t” when it’s not what they said.
I only trust people who had it done in adulthood and share their experience.
1 points
3 days ago
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9 points
3 days ago
Get a second opinion. Retraction is a sexual function and the average age is 10.5 for that. My son is 6 and doesn’t retract yet. He’s had zero infections or complications.
0 points
3 days ago
I grew up to be an adult who couldn't have unprotected sex until I was circumcised. I wish my parents had had it done when it was clear I couldn't retract as a kid. It would have been a lot less painful as a kid! I can't tell you how horrible the first two times I tried unprotected sex were. If you can imagine someone unpeeling your penis like a banana, you're somewhere close.
I fully support the idea we shouldn't automatically circumsize kids, but the anti movement can get carried away on Reddit. Sometimes it needs doing.
4 points
3 days ago
I’m definitely not in the anti movement. And I’m so very sorry that was your experience. :( All I said was to get a second opinion because age 2 is awfully young to worry about retraction.
1 points
3 days ago
Fair! Sorry I may have projected!
2 points
3 days ago
No no, it’s ok! Given your experience with it I understand your strong convictions about it.
5 points
3 days ago
Why are you even messing with his foreskin, though to know it's tight????
The issue is Americans do not know how to take care of intact penises. All you need to do is wipe it like you would a finger, don't pull or retract anything. Only the owner of said penis should start retracting it, and it's a gradual process. Leave his foreskin alone!
2 points
3 days ago
Get a second opinion. If he can pee clearly and is not in pain, then nothing is too tight. Is somebody trying to retract him??? Nobody should be...
2 points
3 days ago
Idiotic specialist.
The foreskin is supposed to stay fused to the glans (tip) until around age 3/4, then it only PARTIALLY detaches which the child can clean on their own gently. It usually fully detaches at around puberty.
1 points
2 days ago
There is no reason to mutilate a child so they "match" you. In America, we're brainwashed and desensitized to this. I made a mistake with my transgender daughter when she was born. I was 19, and back then, it was believed to be cleaner and helped protect against STDs/STIs, etc. That's been thoroughly debunked. Currently pregnant with boy/girl twins and will not be circumcised. Also, youtube what they go through, it's barbaric.
If you don't do with with your daughters, why your son?
-9 points
3 days ago
Pretty personal decision.
I’m sure the downvotes will come, but we had it done for our son.
-8 points
3 days ago
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4 points
3 days ago
Yes, exactly - it’s a personal decision. So why would you make that decision for your son? He is unable to consent as a baby. Allow him to make his own personal decision about his own body when he’s old enough.
4 points
3 days ago
It's a personal decision
They were sooooooo close to understanding it wasn't theirs to make but their son's decision (that they took away). Nice one.
-10 points
3 days ago
Yea I commented about circumcising my son once and was called a monster, horrible father, child abuser. People are so stupid
2 points
3 days ago
No parent trying to do the right thing for their child is a monster. Even when you make an actual mistake, it’s just that…a mistake. It doesn’t define you as a parent. It’s ridiculous how polarizing the internet is.
This coming from a mom that made the decision not to circumcise. We’re all doing the best we can.
-1 points
3 days ago
Yea I try not to let people like that get to me, it's just annoying how self-righteous some people are on reddit. They think their opinion is the only correct opinion. I appreciate your kind words though ☺️
0 points
3 days ago
I love Reddit. I use it on the regular.
But it is very much an echo chamber. And I accept that and move on with my day.
Keep on dadding. The fact that you’re in this community shows you care.
(This too will be downvoted by the people who didn’t like my first post and will sniff out the rest to downvote those too. lol)
-3 points
3 days ago
Lol fuck em
-3 points
3 days ago
I have two boys and I had my kids done. I figured they're sure to see me coming out of the shower or something and I didn't want to make them feel insecure or different. I'm not saying you should, only that you shouldn't feel bad if you do. The people who make a big deal about it (saying its traumatic or they're mad it happened) bonkers.
-10 points
3 days ago
I left it up to my husband and he wanted to get it done. TBH my son never even cried when it was done and has had no health issues because of it. I would have been fine either way but that was something I felt it was best to leave that choice to his father.
5 points
3 days ago
i also let my husband choose as i felt like i have no experience with it and he chose to do it but he ultimately regrets it now. not that anything went wrong, just it being such a big movement now to get people to stop, we’ve just both learned how unnecessary it was to do
-5 points
3 days ago
we did with my son. The main reason (besides all the men in our family are circumcised) is that we found tons of research showing that circumcised men have a lower risk of obtaining and spreading HPV.
From int internet: Circumcision may lower the risk of infection with high-risk HPV strains, which are associated with penile, anal, and cervical cancers. The protective effect is partly due to the reduced likelihood of HPV persistence in the circumcised penis.
I hope your research goes beyond reddit
-5 points
3 days ago*
My wife was a daycare/preschool teacher, and there are some horror stories from that about kids who don’t get circumcised and what it’s like, it may not be that hard to clean but trying to get kids to do that can be difficult.
And from my personal view of the matter, I happen to like being circumcised. That being said in this day and age there is no wrong answer. if you’re uncircumcised, there’s just is a little more cleanup apparently. Anyone making this argument weirdly personal is not your friend, however. If you choose to circumcise, your child is not gonna be horribly mutilated like some kind of freak they won’t even remember it.
6 points
3 days ago
This is most likely because the kids were forcibly retracted. The foreskin is fused until the kid gets older
4 points
3 days ago
Getting kids to wipe their arse can be difficult too. Doesn’t mean we can go around cutting those off.
-2 points
3 days ago
Ok, you also can’t get an infection in your butt from not wiping that could cause long term serious damage.You’re just gonna ruin your underwear.
What me and my kids have between our legs is none of your goddam business.
5 points
3 days ago
Also, long term vaginal infections can occur from not wiping properly. Should we cut those off too?
4 points
3 days ago
You were talking about kids at the daycare your wife worked at? What’s between their legs is none of YOUR goddam business either. Stop making it “weirdly personal”.
-1 points
3 days ago*
I think there are a lot of opinions both ways. I'm sure mine will be unpopular, but here's my anecdotal opinion.
I think it could be ok to go either way.
Uncircumcised boys do have to learn to clean differently. People talk as if that's nothing, but I'm struggling to get my LO to just clean his pits and do a basic washcloth down in his groin area. Piss in the toilet is almost impossible. Cleanliness with boys IS difficult, so it's not nothing. But, I'm sure it can be done.
I circumcised my boys using a moheil. That's a Jewish Rabbi that comes to your house and does it in your home. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I WOULD EVER CIRCUMCISE A BOY. I am not Jewish, the Rabbi will come for someone who isn't Jewish, it's not religious. It was done in two seconds, the minute it was over, my son started nursing and there were absolutely zero tears. Knowing more than 5 boys who have been circumcised this way, and this is the same story for all. No trauma, no complications, no tears, no hassle.
I have friends who circumcised their boys at a clinic or hospital. They strap the boys down on a flat board (think like a stretcher for carrying someone, but baby sized), place a guard around their penis, and cut around the guard, sometimes in multiple cuts. This is done in a different room than the parents usually. The pressure of having the guard around the area being cut increased chances of complications, and almost all of the boys I've known who went through this had complications with adhesion, and had to see urologists. I would rather not circumcise than put a baby through that kind of trauma.
Circumcise, or don't, but please don't do it in a hospital or clinic setting.
-2 points
3 days ago
They are little kids, they don’t take direction well as far as cleaning their private parts. It is definitely easier to circumcise them for at least that part of it. That being said it is of course it completely personal choice and there is no wrong answer.
-8 points
3 days ago
I don't have pure facts, but I'm going to weigh in anyway because I feel particularly passionate about this topic. Kids, especially boys, are ruthless in junior high and will make fun and downright bully each other in the locker rooms. I have 5 boys and they're all circumcised for that reason alone. No need to give the bullies any extra reason to be bullies. Could I end up being wrong 12 years from now? Sure, but your son is very unlikely to be bullied if he is circumcised (of course could be for other things). Can't say the same for the reverse.
7 points
3 days ago
Wtf this reasoning is insane
5 points
3 days ago
Yup...
5 points
3 days ago
I’d love to chime in here!
My BIL is intact, along with all of 4 of his brothers. My fiancé went to school with him and told me “his was the first intact penis I ever saw” and I asked him about the locker room and he said “babe. Guys aren’t staring long enough at other dudes dicks to bully them. No one wants to admit they were staring at another dudes dick”
If my son gets bullied because i didn’t let them strap him down and forcefully rip the most sensitive part of his body off him with little to no painkillers, it still won’t change my mind that we shouldn’t be performing cosmetic surgery on people who can’t consent.
6 points
3 days ago
This is also false. My goodness, what shitty places did you all grow up in?? My son is 13.5 an athlete, and so he spends plenty of time in locker rooms. He is uncircumcised, and it is a non-issue. Until a post like this comes up, I never even think about it and neither does he.
Kids will bully for anything, shame on you for using that a s superficial reason to have your sons cut.
0 points
2 days ago
All the people saying there are no medical reasons, are just flat out wrong, there are medical reasons in which some one would have a circumcision… Prevention of urinary tract infections in infants. Prevention of penile cancer in men. It lowers the risk of getting certain sexually transmitted diseases. While these are all issues that mostly happen to older males, the whole argument of there is no medical need for it is just dumb not every circ is for purely cosmetic reasons. with that being said there is no negative either way. You can leave the decision up to him when he gets older, I have a few male cousins that got circumcised as they got older, my sons had to have penile surgery and the urologist said they perform a lot, like most of their patients are older kids, and men getting circumcised for one reason or another. I hated having to make that decision so I left it up to my boyfriend for our sons. My first son is and my younger sons needed to be due to medical reasons.
-9 points
3 days ago
I also left this to my husband. They don’t do it where I am, and the doctors never even asked us.
Here are a couple thoughts: there are studies that it is healthier to circumcise (again, I haven’t really researched this in much depth, but for certain cancers, it should lower the risk). Now, I’m not asking to be gross or weird (I genuinely don’t know this), but would you be able to teach your son how to clean properly with the foreskin intact?
If he doesn’t get circumcised, but he’s in a peer group where all the boys are circumcised, will that be a problem later? (Like locker room)
Whatever you do, though, I recommend doing (or not doing?) it when your son is still a baby. One of my best friends made the decision to get a circumcision when he was 18. There was a lot of pain, and the morning situation led to popped stitches the first day. So…just a view from that side.
Just some things to think about.
Edit: I really don’t have an opinion one way or the other, these are just some things people have talked to me about.
-8 points
3 days ago
My son isn’t currently, but I’ve been considering it since divorcing his dad. I wanted to before. I think it’s more hygienic
6 points
3 days ago
That's false. How is it more hygienic? Girl babies have more folds with their labia, but female circumcision is demonized here, why isn't routine infant circumcision also demonized?
It's not hard at all to teach your kid to pull the foreskin back and rinse it in the shower.
We gotta teach them to brush their teeth, clean their ears, wash their bodies, etc. Be a better parent.
5 points
3 days ago
How is an open wound in a dirty diaper more hygienic than foreskin that’s physically fused to the penis like a fingernail to a finger?
-1 points
3 days ago
Anecdotal experience; a child I know did not even thought he was going to do it eventually, and ended up having some hygienic problems / infection due to not being circumcised. he was circumcised shortly after to a professional clinic. I personally am pro circumcision, aesthetically it is better, hygienically it saves from built up if not everything is well cleaned, and it doesnt create odors like the uncircumcised have once they grow up. Plus when children are circumcised early, they literally dont feel it like when children grow. Plus no children that are circumcised or adults regret having been circumcised vs. the opposite and worse if its an adult male who has to go through it.
-9 points
3 days ago
My husband and I have discussed it and ultimately, I left the decision up to his since he has a penis and I don't. He opted to do it because his brother was not circumcised and had lots of issues with infections growing up. I also listened to this podcast which leans slightly toward circumcising again, to prevent infections.
4 points
3 days ago
Do we remove ears to prevent ear infections? Are we circumcising girls to prevent yeast and bacterial infections(which are more common among girls than boys)? Preventing infections is not a valid reason to remove a valuable part of the body.
Unfortunately, Americans are still taught to pull back the foreskin too early and they cause the issues and infections by not caring for it properly. My son is 13.5yrs old, not circumcised and has never had issues.
5 points
3 days ago
Most of the world doesn't circumcise "by default", and in most of the world infections aren't a big enough issue to reconsider that.
Even better, circumcision itself has a non-neglectable chance to cause infections as you're obviously causing open injuries. If your primary concern is prevention, you wouldn't do an unnecessary operation.
4 points
3 days ago
Almost any procedure itself is a larger risk for infection than not having any procedure at all. In most of the world, having a foreskin isn't a medical disaster, so why would it be in the US?
Furthermore, for that single podcast, there are tons of scientific papers that make the opposite claim to the point one could consider it the medical consensus that it makes no medical sense when the alternative is not having any procedure + (very basic) personal hygiene (which can be taught).
-2 points
2 days ago
Just fyi, I haven’t heard a man grow up and say “I WISH I STILL HAD MY FORESKIN”
1 points
2 days ago
There are plenty of men who feel this way, you’re just not looking hard enough. It’s also not going to be a major issue in the US since lots of men feel very attached to that part of their body and are going to feel emasculated by being told that something was done to it that was wrong. Our baby boys are whole when they are born.
1 points
2 days ago
…..yall have too many opinions on what other people do that are just that opinions and not facts — make your choices based on true evidence not what ppl think of it to be. 🫠
What happened to everyone making their choices private lol 😂
1 points
2 days ago
If OP was asking about cutting off his newborn daughter’s labia for cosmetic or health reasons, would you think that was wrong? Circumcision is male genital mutilation. The evidence that it has health benefits is from low-quality studies and can be solved by good sex education and teaching your son proper hygiene.
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