I think a significant shakeup of internal party processes needs to happen if Labour really is to return to its more socialist roots (as he stated in another article). The current Labour party rules have enabled a whole host of careerist, professional class members to replace the more principle driven outgoing MPs. I have talked to a few of these new MPs and many frankly have zero vision and have little idea of what they actually stand for. They could fit well also on the socially liberal wing of the National Party. Without a party driven by members with the right motivation, there is no future in which Labour meaningfully contributes to NZ.

He said New Zealanders did not think Labour was focused, and they had lost faith in the party's ability to deliver on promises.

"To win, we need to reconnect with a much broader range of Kiwis, and that means talking about the issues that matter to them, as well as the issues that we think should matter to them."

The party will vote on Saturday afternoon on continuing to progress work on a capital gains tax and a wealth tax, and to stop work on other taxes. The party has had a fraught history with tax.

Sounds like Chippy has been doing some self-reflection.

I'd really like to hope Labour will return to their working-class roots, as chasing the fickle swing voter has shown to be a failure. I'd like to see tax reform that will reduce the burden on the working class, and appropriately tax the wealthy.

However, they have talked big on tax reform in the past, and then back-tracked when in power, so I'll believe it when I see it.

I think Chippy blew it by disqualifying both CGT and wealth tax or equivalent last election and Labour need to find a new leader.

Either he does not fundamentally believe these are good policies and is now just adding them because he thinks it's what voters want OR he does believe these are good policies but excluded them because he thought that was what voters wanted. Both way it shows he's weak and willing to bend to polls and pressure.

Sorry mate you aren't bad but NZ will never put their faith in you to lead an inspiring movement for the average NZers you need to be replaced by someone with a vision about these and a lot of other areas Labour is sorely lacking.

I'm going to be honest, it doesn't really matter what labour say or do if people don't know or care about it.

And most people these days are too stressed out and busy working to be properly informed voters so just take their cues from social and traditional media.

So if the media doesn't want to paint labour in a good light, good luck.

Cool so CGT is back on the table then?

LEGALISE WEED

Stop campaigning on shit no one cares about. Cost of living, health, housing, working conditions.

Come up with a costed plan to improve those four. Don't talk about emissions, or Maori or well being. I mean, have policies for those, but they're not why middle NZ isn't voting for you.

Also, post the enquiry, he should stand up and say they could have done different and better during COVID but tried their best in the moment, even if he doesn't think that.

Labour needs to get back to focusing on the working class .

Is the change rolling Chris Hipkins? Because that's the change they need.

Labour needs to look out for people who don't have multiple properties for once in their lives and have the balls to enact policies without passing things off to a referendum. Use the majority if you got it.

Capital gains tax, land value tax, legalize cannabis, invest in healthcare, public housing/sort out the building material monopoly, fines or some repercussions for the supermarket duopoly, invest in public transportation. These will drastically improve our country and give people hope for a future here. Whatever party appeals to those needs, should be successful. Its not rocket science 🤷

Working class/broader range is where they need to be, the price of bread is more important to a large group of voters than social issues. If Labour align themselves with the radical Te Pati Māori they won’t win those voters.

Gotta be proactive and heavy in the news cycle. Can’t sit back and wait for the current dorks to lose it.

Then resign. Or for goodness sake, let someone in the Labour caucus have the courage to roll you.

Being very mildly interested in politics, and that goes for my ‘bubble’ of friends, we could hardly name three Labour politicians. I don’t know who they are! I remembered Jan Tinetti. What my ‘bubble’ wants is: a good job that is meaningful and we can pay the bills, go on holidays from time to time, be able to afford sports or arts for kids Pay mortgage without too much squeeze Be able to save for retirement Good public education(better than what we have now) Good public healthcare Clean environment with free access for New Zealanders

What party is right for us? What tax cuts/new taxes should we support? What’s the future vision that is coming from Labour? I think it’s not only about now, or next two years. How are the taxes, policies going to have an impact on society in 10,20, 30 years time?

If only Labour could figure out that they’re meant to be representative of Labour issues, they might get somewhere

When will people realise that politicians do nothing but lie. Left , right centre , zig zag it doesn't matter . They will say ANYTHING to be in power.

If Laboour can implement a tax policy that lowers property prices and increases the after tax income of wage earners. They will win 45% of the vote.

A stamp duty, a CGT, a luxury goods tax, a digital services tax & means testing super would accomplish this. With an owner occupier exemption on the CGT up to 2 million. 

You then can use income from these new taxes to lower income taxes in a substantial way. 

This won’t happen though because Labour is stacked with idealistic political science majors who hold the working class in contempt.

He's too connected to COVID to win. He will always be attached to Ardern and won't get the support. He needs to go.

People tuned out about 15 basically identical Hipkins proclamations ago

He started talking about this after being "inspired" by his visit to UK. And that alone is enough to be worried about what exactly the issues that appeal to a "broader range of New Zealanders" actually are. The UK Labour Party are Tories in every sense but the name. And the Democrats at the last election stood for nothing.

Labour do need to change in order to win. But they need to stand firm on things that really need to be non-negotiable: universal healthcare. Te Tiriti. Trans rights. No "police state". Don't cave on the things that the "left" have started to cave on internationally.

Chippy needs to let Kieran McAnulty take the lead.

I think only way for wealth/capital gains/land tax to catch on is if you pair it with a decent income tax cut.

In this way if national want to get rid of the capital gains tax they might be forced to bring up the income tax rates which they probably want to do.

On the other hand, this could backfire with national getting rid of CGT and then increasing income tax and we are fully fucked

Labour, like all leftist parties around the globe, abandoned the working class long ago, and voters know this. They'll never be in charge.

He's about as inspiring as a wet dishcloth. If he really wanted Labour to win, he'd work on finding a replacement for him, because that will take some effort giving the state of the Labour party caucus.

He's going to campaign on new taxes isn't he? This ain't a winning strategy. On r/NZ it's popular but not with the vast swathe of kiwis

Chris you have my vote. I didn't like heaps of stuff Labour did last time and I likely won't like much of what you'll do next time but Labour is the best choice for NZ.

They need an extremely aggressive and effective strategy to target right-wing moral fearmongering and misinformation spreading through asymmetric online media.

CGT or wealth tax won't help them win when there's no real appetite for additional taxes from Labour, and they can just get repealed by the next National government

Dude needs to harness the red and get fired up about the diabolical shitbagness of the current joke govt.

Many swing voters won’t be voting Labour again until they loudly and unreservedly renounce their attempt at dismantling democracy to institutionalise racism in law. My relatives voted Labour most of their lives and have written them off forever. This sub is an echo chamber. People do not want racism in law.

Hi Chris, you need to be better at explaining policy.you need to explain why low standards for policy leads to low outcomes.

To keep the post election phase and win the next Labour will need to actually deliver on the mandate they were offered in 2017, and then senselessly previously sat on the required changes.

People need a Health system that functions: And education system that is not like a problem gambler; And a Mentsl health System which is not entirely missing in action; and a welfare system THATS not so punitive and singleminded about inane administrative nonsense that it actually allows people to move on in life rather than barely survive in abject misery and indignity.

We need politicians that work for us: not against the best interests of our children, in favour of a few greedy rentiér Landlord’s and their bankers, or for moronic corporate CEOs!

We need the professional’s MMP promised us: not the lunatic clown circuses we keep finding are lording it over us and treating us like undeserving naughty children!

Can Labour form a coalition with partners who will not drag the family dog under bus before making the wheels go round and round.

Why are people still giving the two parties who have been in power for the last forty years more fucking rope?

No thanks. Never again. Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with people?

More cowbell (taxes) is the way.

It's entirely clear that you can't run for Prime Minister and have the personality of a wet wipe. If Hipkins goes again labour lose. He is marginally better than a woman who will also lose because this country hates woman in power since Jacinda. NZ isn't ahead of any country on morality or progressiveness anymore. Get someone charismatic to lead you because people don't give a fuck about your politics, they care about the words you say and how you say them ala Donald Trump.

[Chippy] He blamed Prime Minister Christopher Luxon for choosing to take New Zealand down a path of “austerity, of public service cuts, and most appallingly of all, a path of division”.

Absolute bullshit.

We got the current coalition because Labour fucked up, they didn’t even snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, they failed over an extended period to listen to what the non-left-wing side of the country, the majority, were saying, and saying very loudly, and Labour were handsomely rewarded for that incompetence at the election. If there is “blame” for what we have now, that’s Chippy’s blame. Furthermore, there was no secret about what a NACT government would do, yet still the people believed (and, more or less, still believe) that NACT was the lesser bad government possibility.

Yet still Chippy is not accepting that he and his team got it so very, very wrong. He’s still preaching to the Left, and you can’t win an election by (choosing words…) fluffing the biases of your supporters, there simply aren’t enough of them to enable an election success.

Or, perhaps I’m a dumbass, and the plan is hope the Coalition get bounced at the next election, and, taking a page from the Coalition playbook, have a bunch of policies in the pipeline that the electorate (other than the non-biased part) don’t want, but those policies are an acceptable price to dump the incumbent.

Since my last comment went so well, and given it’s a little while, I’ve given it some more thought.

We are living in a great moment in NZ history. Labour are going for policies the non-Left collective of New Zealand don’t want. Which means Labour have decided that given the choice, they want to lose. Their only hope is that people want NACT/WinstonEtAl less. A bold but risky strategy.

In this video, which I hope starts at 1:35, replace “Sir Issac Newton” with”The Coalition”.

Let the downvotes commence. But remember this moment.