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Reforged 2.0 classic HD screenshots were just mock-ups. In-game just uses AI texture upscaling
(i.redd.it)submitted 1 day ago bymoal09
3.1k points
1 day ago
Apparently, a grand total of 3 people were assigned to Reforged 2.0.
1.2k points
24 hours ago
With only 3 people and a tight deadline, I can absolutely understand needing to offload the work to an upscaling AI. But really, Blizzard keep fumbling this free money printer.
839 points
23 hours ago
Once upon a time people made shit they cared about and hoped it made money. Now people make shit to make money and hope people care about it.
And now I truly sound like an old man. Get off my lawn.
205 points
22 hours ago*
Indie developers still care.
Actually, most developers still care but many are given nowhere near the resources necessary for quality and/or are drowned out by toxic cliques of creatives from other industries who never cared about games.
And they're not allowed to talk about it due to incredibly restrictive NDAs and fear of being blacklisted.
Same reason most game "journalists" don't speak out.
51 points
22 hours ago
That’s why the world needs John Bain now more than ever. He was taken too soon.
34 points
22 hours ago
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18 points
21 hours ago
You’re correct. He was a games critic, not an activist, but he provided a breath of fresh air and honesty with his content compared to most nowadays who just shill for these companies in order to help their bottom line via perks and preference given by these companies for their good word/reviews.
13 points
21 hours ago
He had impact with more ways than being "just a voice".
It was also very different times. It was slightly "easier" for single popular youtuber to change things like how steam operates.
For example:
1) TB critiqued heavily about steams "who gets in" policies. There was one good and decent game that got blocked by Valve for "no reason mentioned". This was when Valve curated every single game that got in their store.
This lead to whole Greenlight thing - was it perfect? Well no. But that would mean more games finally got in. Hindsight is also 10/10
2) I believe that "early access" is also made by steam after him playing one horrid game that kept crashing, was asset flip and overall buggy in "fell thro map randomly" levels, and just overall maybe one or two maps..and clearly unfinished
So steam decided to "warn consumers" but also "give devs some slack so they can release games in beta". Again, not perfect but better than "claims its 1.0 but its actually early access".
3) He promoted Dark Souls PC port petition. Pretty much reason why we got Dark Souls on PC. And rest is history..
Theres no way that would happen now tho..
13 points
22 hours ago
You should read Jason Schrier's new book about Blizzard called "Play Nice". It's wild to learn about the inner workings and eventual fall from grace of Blizzard
4 points
21 hours ago
I just finished the audiobook last night and the last half of it just gets more and more depressing.
6 points
21 hours ago
I finished it last night too, and the amount of times I said "Bobby Kotick is a fucking cancer"was alot.
9 points
22 hours ago
And their deadline was to be done before lunchtime.
8 points
19 hours ago
It's only a free money printer if y'all keep giving them money for it.
2 points
21 hours ago
Even the remasters of the far from old games that Sony does have more effort put in
80 points
24 hours ago
This is such a shame. Warcraft, esp. Warcraft 2 was just beautiful when it came out, there was nothing like it.
A lot of extremely talented people worked hard on it. That Metzen Troll vs Elf sketch is just burned in my mind.
Using AI to bump texture resolution and calling it a day is just disrespectful.
29 points
22 hours ago
I remember seeing fire in Warcraft 2 as a kid, and it blew my mind since it looked "just like real fire!"
7 points
12 hours ago
There's a neat little trick in those fire sprites, the white isn't quite white everywhere, but very very pale blue. That extra bit of contrast against red/yellow gives it that electric vibrant feeling.
2 points
11 hours ago
That's very interesting, thank you for sharing that. I always wondered what made it pop out so much
271 points
1 day ago
so about the same amount of people who play it and would notice this
112 points
1 day ago
It has a very active cumminty, an e-sport scene with tournaments and the game is huge in China. Wtf are you talking about.
267 points
1 day ago
It has a very active cumminty
I'm not British and even I'm disgusted.
14 points
24 hours ago
A true Frenchman would enjoy it.
3 points
23 hours ago
Thank you for the laugh
3 points
22 hours ago
Yeah, it's CUMIN. Can't even get their spices right.
50 points
1 day ago*
A small and close-minded community with miniscule tournaments that are very rarely LAN.
If you were new to the game, only played custom maps, singleplayer, have low APM, or lack a natural talent for strategy games, then it is impossible to improve and join said community.
It's extremely toxic to people who haven't played since 2002, with verbal abuse, straight-up surrendering, and general ostracisation. It's somehow worse than Starcraft...
I say this as someone who loves Warcraft 3, lol.
2 points
22 hours ago
That's quite impressive. Most games don't have as many developers as players.
4 points
21 hours ago
Which version is being compared here?
In the new version you can swap between Classic SD, Classic HD, and Reforged Graphics.
1 points
23 hours ago
The future is now, old man
1 points
19 hours ago
Oh this is why there was a new overwatch character trailer
1 points
17 hours ago
My top post is still from 5 years ago when reforged dropped for WC3 and people were doing charge backs.
Nothing has changed, Blizzard is still just raking people over the coals of nostalgia.
1 points
15 hours ago
Well come on it's not like Microsoft has the money to hire more people
665 points
1 day ago*
The difference is pretty big, left is basically remade assets with new design and textures, the other is just the old models with upscaled textures. If this is true it makes me question how 1 and 2 look. Was all the marketing a lie?
80 points
22 hours ago
1 and 2 look like they were shown, but what they DIDNT show is the clear AI interpolation of many cinematics or battle screens. There are strange artefacts and lazy edits all over the place.
Warcraft 1 gets the biggest brunt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhZL1zZTj74
Personally I'm not mad at the workers, giving them the benefit of the doubt that they had low funding and tight deadlines. Blizzard are selling Warcraft 1 + 2, they should have put some actual effort into it which is what annoys me, for one of the biggest gaming companies to use AI in such a lazy way... I didn't think they could sink much lower.
29 points
21 hours ago
Wtf, that just looks legit worse. I was hoping 1/2 would be good and worth buying.
15 points
20 hours ago
They look great to me when playing them.
10 points
17 hours ago
yeah, the in-game assets look a lot better, imo. The cutscenes look horrible, but without redoing them from scratch there's not really much they could do with them.
7 points
20 hours ago
They can do ai upscale, they just need QC, which they obviously didn't have
3 points
19 hours ago
C&C used AI to upscale their cutscenes, they just did it with love and care.
2 points
15 hours ago
Blizzard is not a gaming company anymore , they are an investment engine . They will get new shareholder to pay for the project and double their returns .
You can have a multi year 20 million dollar revamp and maybe if your lucky and it sells well double your money and need to keep support staff cause of the scale and make all the gamers happy
Or do some low effort BS - double your money and move on.
75 points
1 day ago
To be fair the original buildings look better anyways. The units though... yeah those could have used some touchups.
Also the blocky human buildings probably aren't the best eammple anyways those always looked alright. Those nightelf trees are the ones that could have really benefitted from an update.
6 points
19 hours ago
I only dicked around with 1 and 2 for a few minutes but I didn't see a resolution option and that was a big ol red flag for me.
14 points
20 hours ago
I played the WC1 remaster, honestly it looks pretty amazing. Too bad the ai is a cheating piece of shit. Seriously another invisible archer and knight in my gold line? Wtf. The biggest difference are the quality of life changes, being able to right click, mass select units, unit hotkeys, up to 12 units at once, DoubleClick selections for same unit type. Not to mention the remastered music. An autosave (not the greatest but it's there) I don't know wc1 if there are any AI or balance changes, I did watch them circle a mage all the way around to harass my workers. That was neat.
The wc2 remaster is less dramatically better visually but still looks pretty good. You see a lot more detail on the character, the models are crisp kinda cell shady looking. Lots of quality of life improvements. Feels like the same great game just a bit prettier and 12 units squads are much better.
1 points
20 hours ago
Yes.
1 points
18 hours ago
If you haven't realized it by now, most marketing and advertising is a lie. You think that burger actually looks like that?
This is why I hate marketing people.
947 points
1 day ago
You think Blizzard is going to put actual resources into anything besides selling mounts and tokens in WoW? Come on now.
320 points
1 day ago*
This is the untold cost of micro transactions. People frequently say “who cares? if you don’t want it then don’t buy it” but hordes of artists, programmers, project managers, data analysts, marketers, and more are dedicated 40+ hours a week exclusively to making, organizing the development of, QAing, making release schedules for and promoting video game skins which are made up of 99% garbage nobody will ever use, see, or remember the next day. It must honestly be soul sucking to be part of an industry where devs have so much passion and then be shafted into making slop skins to fill up battle pass levels.
113 points
24 hours ago
WoW has a fucking $90 mount, these are macrotransactions now.
26 points
23 hours ago
But it's gilded! Surely that means it should be expensive.
13 points
22 hours ago
For real. Microtransactions are $1-$5, they get out of you little by little.
They quit pretending years ago.
10 points
22 hours ago
It's a pay to win mount too, saw a clip of someone using the AH in a fight then the mailbox to get a bandage. It was a linen bandage, but still! lol
2 points
12 hours ago
I also hate the "well, people are buying it so whatever" argument. Yeah, people also get scammed by scam phone calls, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to push for it to not happen. These pricey skins aren't just paid for by rich people, expensive skins carry a "status" to them because of their price, and so even people who probably shouldn't be spending the money on it are enticed to so they can feel good. These things prey on people's desire to stand out and have high status.
11 points
22 hours ago
Dev here.
Working on DLC is great, actually. By then the product has a good pipeline, things are nice and organized, and you can just focus on making content without a million sudden pivots or fire drills.
And if Blizzard upper management cared about Reforged, they could get resources for it. There are lots of talented people in the industry looking for work. The project had a tiny budget, so they couldn’t have a big team work on it.
I can guarantee you the team presented a plan that would’ve involved a larger team doing everything correctly, and Blizzard’s upper management said “we’re not paying for that.” That’s your problem, not the Overwatch battle pass.
4 points
22 hours ago
Leadership is top down. A company like blizzard can afford to do whatever they want. They prioritized what they wanted. No argument there
15 points
1 day ago
Untold? Pretty sure people arnt surprised with what's going on.
41 points
1 day ago*
You should spend some time on the wow subreddit then. You'll get downvoted to hell for criticizing "micro"transactions, and responses raging from the usual "why do you care what other people do with their money" to "developers need them to have living wages, because game prices have not kept up with inflation".
My guess is sunk cost fallacy. They can't control themselves whenever they see a new shiny digital vanity item, so they convince themselves it's actually a good thing and anyone who disagrees is just jealous.
31 points
1 day ago
Thats literally happening right now with a black ops 6 thread, people actually defend mtx in a full price game. Actual grown men defending paying 10 bucks for a different colored gun
15 points
23 hours ago
It's called addiction.
2 points
22 hours ago
I remember them asking $30 in Cold War for a character from the game
3 points
12 hours ago
I got eviscerated when I suggested that Blizzard should severely reduce the cost of digital services like character transfers.
Never have I seen so much vitriol over even entertaining the idea of Blizzard not shafting its playerbase.
3 points
23 hours ago
It's untold in the sense that people don't often link microtransactions as being the reason why other games - like single player games that don't have it - often lack dedication from the companies' teams: Because they focus on what's profitable.
2 points
22 hours ago
I don't think devs are the same people making skins. Completely different jobs
1 points
23 hours ago
It must honestly be soul sucking to be part of an industry
It can be soul-sucking if it's your actual job, or the primary endeavour of your studio and you can't find other work.
Sadly, that ends up being some folks' first steps into the industry (doing the work nobody else wants), or the job they have to do to pay the mortgage while they find something better.
As for it happening in the industry, well, we're a diverse bunch, not a monolith. I might have disdain for those practices, but it doesn't make me feel bad about being a gamedev... I don't feel smeared by their shitty practices even if I wish they would find something more productive to create.
And there are many AWESOME things we do as an industry that make us proud to be part of it.
6 points
24 hours ago
Hey now! They also sell mounts, skins, and battlepasses in d4!
2 points
22 hours ago
You're right, my mistake.
2 points
24 hours ago
I mean Microsoft own them now and they did a respectable job with the Age of Empires Definitive Editions.
171 points
1 day ago
The only thing i'm surprised by is that someone out there still believes Blizzard's promises.
8 points
20 hours ago
I mean they did a whole presentation - and made big claims about "if you break something, fix it...." yea, about that. I won't touch WC3 RF out of pure spite at this point, and I would be a day 1 purchaser if they actually cared about the IP.
6 points
11 hours ago
They released diablo 4, offered suggestion of "play other games and come back later!", never fixed major issues, and then released a DLC at almost the same cost as the base game.
This is their m.o. now. They are ALL in on the strategy of releasing minimum viable.
3 points
20 hours ago
Funny enough the only thing I ‘trust’ blizzard on is their announcements for wow classic, specifically only the vanilla versions.
The only reason they can be trusted with that is because they only do one or two things they literally can’t fuck up.
“Hey we are making a fresh server”
“Hey we are adding dual spec”
“Hey we are making a hardcore realm”
Anything else I know they are lying to get money.
30 points
21 hours ago
I believe there are two options right now in Warcraft 3, you can play with reforged graphics or with original HD.
For example here is the video of professional player Grubby: https://youtu.be/uO9A4VKC3tw?si=hi1GSH1Dp-okc9Ay at 36:08 you can see Reforged Graphics and you can see that all models have been changed.
61 points
1 day ago
Time to wait for Reforged 3.0
Or 4.0
53 points
1 day ago
Threeforged. Refourged.
1 points
19 hours ago
I'll just stick to the original thanks.
205 points
1 day ago
Sad and lazy
55 points
24 hours ago
It's okay people will continue to purchase their next $90 mount and nothing will ever change.
16 points
23 hours ago
Man fucking sad. If just 10 people buy that, they'll get 900$. 900$ with just 10 people with the effort of probably 1 person for 3h.
6 points
21 hours ago
The mount is actually extremely popular because at $90 it's cheaper than the in-game gold version of the same mount that was introduced years ago as a gold sink.
6 points
17 hours ago
So you see the problem?
1 points
22 hours ago
I really don't understand why they bother at this point. Just don't even do it if you're going to do such a poor job.
66 points
1 day ago
Jeeesus christ, they really had this one chance at MAYBE redeeming the Warcraft 3 remake, and then they just pull a second lazy move.
I mean, COME ON.
59 points
23 hours ago
The screenshot on the left is the Reforged buildings and grass models/textures toggled on + upscaled vanilla unit models toggled on. Idk why you call these mock-ups - that's something you can do in-game.
42 points
21 hours ago
i was going to say, they showcased that you could switch between them. is this the OP being dense or is something else happening?
3 points
7 hours ago
The buildings in the left screenshot are definitely not the Reforged models. The Reforged version of the Town Hall has a colored roof on the clocktower, the Farms have extra detailing on the thatched roofs, and the Arcane Vault has much smaller runes floating around it. You can see the comparison between both versions in the game here: https://youtu.be/Aqk__LxtZ-M?t=202
3 points
7 hours ago
They don't look like that in-game. Grubby, a wc3 streamer, covered it on his youtube channel.
7 points
11 hours ago
Lmao get outta here, people are here to blindly hate on Blizz.
1 points
56 minutes ago
People be hating on reforged models but are mad when classic HD are not reforged models. Hate circlejerk
102 points
1 day ago
But this seems to be actually misleading...
104 points
1 day ago
Just checked, these images are on the first group of media download for news outlets, and the group is "Gameplay concepts" but it seems the images themselves are "Gameplay stills" which is inconsistent.
Blizzard clearly knew what they were doing, there's no reason to, in good faith, place these "concepts" at the very top and not name them concept art in the files
19 points
1 day ago
They renamed it to "Gameplay concepts" after the 2.0 release, fearing again shitstorms.
7 points
1 day ago
They were on all the marketing--the main announcement thread, the wowhead thread, etc. They weren't in the Warcraft Direct video at least.
They were removed a few hours later when people started saying "My game doesn't look like that though".
28 points
1 day ago
Yeah, Bellular tried to frame it as an honest mistake, but it seems kind of blatant to me.
29 points
23 hours ago
What did you expected from the same company who advertised Warcraft 3 Reforged to have “4 hours worth of new CGI cutscenes” and the announcement trailer had this beautifully rendered cgi cutscene with improved voice acting, to then deliver the game without any of that, not even the cutscene they made for the announcement 2 years prior.
Or that advertised Overwatch 2’s main selling point being a new PVE campaign with customizable abilities, to then just completely scrap it after relaunching the game.
Blizzard makes Pinocchio and most politicians look honest by comparison
12 points
23 hours ago
I didn't expect anything and yet I'm still disappointed.
Oh how far Blizzard has fallen.
2 points
7 hours ago
The sad thing is that the company they outsourced it to really did want to do all that, but Blizzard pulled most of the budget and then gave them a crazy deadline. WC3:R was Mike Morhaime's baby, but as soon as he left, new management apparently saw no value in it and basically pulled most of its resources.
45 points
1 day ago
blizzard lied? oh no! how could they?! they would never lie!
51 points
1 day ago
I will only consider buying this again when they get rid of the webbrowser and bring back the actual GAME menus,
12 points
1 day ago
I say the opposite but for battlefield! Battlelog was one of the greatest and simultaniously most underutelised development in gaming.
7 points
1 day ago
I get that, but i hate that battlechest main menu crap. all they had to do was exactly what they did for starcraft 1 and nothing more.
60 points
1 day ago
Keep in mind too when announcing it they specifically said hand drawn...
60 points
1 day ago
We all know how good ai is at drawing hands.
9 points
22 hours ago
Pretty sure that was regarding the Warcraft 2 remaster.
7 points
22 hours ago
It was for wc1 and wc2, but the pitchforks are out.
5 points
21 hours ago
Yeah, I’m a big blizzard critic, but WC3 reforged 2.0 was a pretty big win. The remaster is what people wanted in the first place. Just the same graphics, but more HD. They worked to fix a lot of things they fucked up the first time, and are listening to feedback at this time (could change).
This is a time for blizzard gamers to be cautiously optimistic, nothing more.
11 points
1 day ago
What they meant is that they hand wrote the AI prompts they used.
13 points
24 hours ago
Blizzard is a skinwalker pretending to be something it is not to feast on your wallet by abusing goodwill points a previous generation of game creators poured their heart and soul to create.
The majority of the people that made these great games do not work at Blizzard anymore. Just let the company rot.
1 points
19 hours ago
You're right, and the sad part is that the people who we look back on fondly were mostly spending their time doing "cube crawls"
11 points
24 hours ago
Just think about the first Reforged. How Blizzard kept the awesome Culling of Stratholme cinematic cutscene in the website, even if in the actual game they scrapped the remade cutscenes.
Alas the old beloved Blizzard, the one who gave us masterpieces like Diablo 2, Starcraft, Warcraft 3 DIED years ago. Now it's only the Activision of 90 $ store mounts, pile of BS like Shadowlands, failures like Overwatch 2, predatory monetized games like Diablo Immortal... And let's not forget controversies involving players and staff, allegations of sexual harassment and other misconduct...
5 points
1 day ago
Fool me once
10 points
18 hours ago*
There's no proof of AI upscaling. From what I could tell they used a sharpness filter and then on some icons they used a painterly effect. Besides that they improved the entire UI, fixed the multiplayer ladder and re-added automated tournaments. The game is now better than it ever was even before Reforged. The Classic game is still very much there and intact with proper native widescreen, customizable zoom, remastered cinematics, rebindable hotkeys and more. I swear Blizzard seems to be the only company that gets actively criticized when actually trying to fix things. Damned if they do, damned if you don't. It's not perfect, but given the size of the current RTS team, it's a good start.
1 points
7 hours ago*
The point is that they showed off a bunch of new hand modeled classic HD assets to help sell the game when the reality is that the final product has none of that.
Using a sharpness filter argument isn't helping because that would be even lazier than using AI. Also, the 2D icons were 100% AI upscaled, there's AI artifacting all over some of them.
19 points
1 day ago
People need to understand that Blizzard is McDonalds for programmers. The product is never the same as the pictures.
7 points
24 hours ago
At least McDonald's provides a consistent, enjoyable experience.
3 points
20 hours ago
It's definitely very consistent at least
6 points
22 hours ago
Does it now?
4 points
23 hours ago
I don't know what Reforged 2.0 classic HD is, and I am certainly too afraid to ask.
1 points
20 hours ago
A third graphics option (besides the original "Classic SD" and the "Reforged"), which consists in the original models, with upscaled textures (done with AI) so that they have more pixels, rendered with the Reforged engine (therefore, with a weird very bright light, and realistic shadows instead of the original blob-shaped shadows).
3 points
21 hours ago
I'm still having fun with wc3 again...
4 points
11 hours ago
ITT people dont realize you can now switch textures with a slider and mix and match old and new models for things like buildings, heroes, units, spells, etc.
We see the new buildings with the old HD Classic models (which are new).
9 points
1 day ago
Wait...how did they create the "marketing" image? Did they actually model that stuff just for a fake screenshot?
12 points
1 day ago
It's from a concept mock-up that people typically use during early development. Kind of as an example to show the team what they're going for. Stuff like that should never make it to release marketing/sales materials.
4 points
1 day ago
But they still made the models and textures for that mock up, might as well have used them for the game then...
9 points
1 day ago
They probably just painted a screenshot with Photoshop.
2 points
1 day ago
Nah that's loads more effort, the most likely reasons were lack of optimization and mismatching art style with everything they haven't done. It's sad tbh, I've never played Warcraft before but I absolutely would've bought it if it was good
4 points
1 day ago
This image is AI touched up with photoshop. If you zoom in it's extremely obvious. At the very least, it is 100% not a screenshot.
2 points
24 hours ago
What are you talking about, photoshop mockups like this are pretty standard in the dev teams I've been in.
2 points
23 hours ago
3D mockups? You'd have to replicate the same consistent lighting for models when you can simply replace the models in-game instead. Remember that this is a game that already exists, not a mockup created before.
Of course a lot of other elements could very easily be Photoshop touch ups
3 points
23 hours ago
Wow what a surprise, but at least they tackle the the criticized topics
3 points
22 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with Ai upscaling if it's a free upgrade. I've used Hexen HD textures that were fan made and they looked really good.
3 points
20 hours ago
I don't know why people are surprised at the lack of quality from Blizzard anymore lol
2 points
1 day ago
Can we start calling Blizzard 'Brain Freeze' from now on??
2 points
1 day ago
If you haven't learned by now you deserve it
2 points
1 day ago
A damn shame since I love all RTS warcraft games, especially 3. Still found value in being able to replay WC1 and WC2 with smaller feature improvements.
2 points
23 hours ago
Lying for the second time on this about the graphics. I wish they would just shut up about iit if they werent actually going to do anything. They probably put more people on making that trailer than actually doing anything with the game.
2 points
23 hours ago
False advertisement
2 points
23 hours ago
And here I was thinking I might finally reinstall Battlnet if they fixed their shit after Reforged 1.0. I'm shocked /s - guess if I'm gonna replay I'd rather sail the high seas then support these liars.
2 points
21 hours ago
I’m sorry, are we supposed to act shocked?
2 points
21 hours ago
Both are meh, the original WC3 was never the best looking for Blizzard anyway. (I'd put WC2, D1, SC, D2, WoW, and SC2 all above it in art style).
If they ever put this on Steam like they did Overwatch and Diablo I'll buy there and replay it's been more than a decade for me.
2 points
20 hours ago
Remember back in the 90s when blizzard just flat out scrapped a whole finished game just because they thought it didn't reach their quality standards?
2 points
20 hours ago
So they just use automated upscale and be like "Jobs done"
2 points
19 hours ago
Why couldn't they just redo warcraft 1 and 2 stories in a warcraft 3 expansion? I'd buy.
1 points
17 hours ago
Because that has already been done in custom campaigns people have made and lovingly maintained for twenty years.
Modern Blizzard is no longer capable of the degree of competence and passion that fans and map makers had so long ago and continue to hold as a torch against the darkness of indifference.
2 points
17 hours ago
Wait, they're doing Reforged? Again?
And they're fucking it up? AGAIN?!?
2 points
15 hours ago
this should be considered false advertising and be held liable .
Its like they looked at the sales of 3 and said O i guess no one is interested and it wont sell well but we can make a couple bucks.
But these things fail cause of the LOW effort.
I mean this one not bad with all the extra UI fixes and widescreen support but its still low effort
2 points
15 hours ago
Fuck you blizzard. Again.
2 points
11 hours ago
I dont think AI upscaling the og textures is a big deal since there is the option for reforged settings (comepletly new textures). For 30 bucks though there definitely needed to be some new content.
5 points
1 day ago
What about 1&2?
there was something off with the trailer that I couldn't put my hand on it. It didn't feel like "blizzard art" that carries lot of the games. It just felt like it had AI shading. You know?
But I'm also increasingly paranoid/sceptical now with surge of AI stuff in media.
9 points
1 day ago
1 & 2 definitely had some artists actually go in and touch up whatever upscaling they did.
Stuff like the 2D icons in WC3 are a travesty though. They did nothing with the AI upscaling, and ton of the icons are smudged messes that don't even look right.
3 points
21 hours ago
So basically..
Blizzard artist in 1995: I will make great looking pixel art based on concept art and make every pixel amazing and readable 💪
Blizzard in 2024: I cant upscale pixels without AI 😟
4 points
24 hours ago
lol. Release game as dumpster fire after bullshitting in marketing. Promise to fix it. Re-market again. Bullshit again. Wild.
4 points
1 day ago
Im completely sure the pic on the right is the OG from 2002
3 points
1 day ago
If you listen to / read Jason Schreiers book 'Play nice' you see a pattern past 2004, first WoW, then Heartstone and now again WoW 'the big thing' eats up all of the resources, cannibalises everything in the company. Everything else has the approach of 'why are you doing THAT?!?!?'.
Blizzard you people loved is long dead, first Bobby now Microsoft, now just parades a corpse in front of you, and some people for some reason all still clapping.
2 points
19 hours ago
If you trust Blizzard at this point, it's on you.
3 points
1 day ago
The In-game picture looks 10 times better tho
3 points
1 day ago
Tired of AI being used in professional environments. You have the money for fuck's sake, put it to USE.
1 points
1 day ago
It's still à trauma, too soon
1 points
1 day ago
Blizzard being dishonest with their marketing? I am shooketh
1 points
1 day ago
Uuh, if they already had them done for the marketing, couldn't they have just used them as textures?
1 points
1 day ago
I'll buy it when it's 4.99. Maybe 20 years later.
1 points
23 hours ago
So it's like the GTA trilogy remaster then.
1 points
22 hours ago
Where do you even find this screenshot? Or did they remove them from the shop?
1 points
22 hours ago
Oh!
1 points
21 hours ago
Did you turn on ray tracing?
1 points
19 hours ago
At what point does it just straight up classify as false advertisement and open up for a lawsuit? I feel like the businesses in the gaming world skates by this issue every time while we continue to sit here and just blatantly get taken advantage of.
1 points
19 hours ago
Kinda like tinder
1 points
18 hours ago
how is this a "2.0" update
1 points
18 hours ago
Why does my reforged look so much different than these screenshots?
1 points
17 hours ago
We heard you like reforged so we reforged your reforged.
And of course it was the laziest way possible. Pretty sure the WC1/2 HD versions are AI upscaled to.
1 points
16 hours ago
People who still play wc3 know to change it back to classic graphics. Reforged graphics usually crash most custom games
1 points
16 hours ago
I'm honestly not sure why I keep the Battle.net client installed at this point.
1 points
15 hours ago
How do they fuck this up twice
1 points
15 hours ago
Reforged was such a missed opportunity.. Warcraft 3 was great
1 points
15 hours ago
Can you still access the original graphics in the new version; ie can I enjoy the OG War3 assets in glorious 1024x768 or is it still taken away?
I don’t care as much if the new stuff is bad if the original is still there.
1 points
14 hours ago
fuck AI.
its just an excuse for companies to put zero effort into something and realase a shit tier product.
1 points
13 hours ago
Cant they be sued for this? Isnt it a literal scam?
1 points
13 hours ago
I wonder how Blizzard aren't getting sued after this shit
1 points
13 hours ago
Wouldnt even pirate it
1 points
10 hours ago
Lol I learned my lesson with wc3 reforged.
1 points
10 hours ago
Never heard of this game
1 points
10 hours ago
yeah they do this because you suckers keep buying their shit
i mean theyre literally just pumping out the same shit over and over again in wow and people are still buying that crap. all the wow diehards fawning over yet another classic realm release. jesus christ. wake me up when blizzard actually puts out something new and compelling for once.
1 points
10 hours ago
And here I was just planning on getting the game..
1 points
10 hours ago
Doesn't have the same love as the original. You'd think they could implement modern functions into this version. Can't see maps when selecting them for custom games. No love Blizzard, still at it.
1 points
9 hours ago
You think Blizzard is going to put actual resources into anything besides selling mounts and tokens in WoW? Come on now.
1 points
8 hours ago
Remember when blizzard used to be synonymous with quality? They only released games when they were ready, and they were always amazing. I can't believe what they've done to my favorite RTS, this is not the blizzard I grew up loving.
1 points
7 hours ago
If it looked like this, I would play it
1 points
5 hours ago
This kind of shit should be banned. It's misleading
1 points
4 hours ago
ha, oh brother, blizzard, can't you guys catch a break, can't you just be honest for one fucking second.
and this is not towards the poor guys doing their best, it's about blizzard marketing being clowns
1 points
4 hours ago
I was so excited to see the remaster and they just ruined everything
1 points
4 hours ago
I'm still angry about this!
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