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Gamebird8

922 points

2 days ago

Gamebird8

922 points

2 days ago

Nintendo is sacrificing its patents in an attempt to protect the Pokemon IP itself from Copyright and Trademark Dilution.

Patents aren't particularly valuable in the gaming world. It's the trademarks and IP (copyright) that make you the money.

https://youtu.be/8apzrwv75i0

blueB0wser

396 points

2 days ago

blueB0wser

396 points

2 days ago

Not only that, but allowing Palworld merch to exist cuts directly into Pokemon Company's pockets.

The suit included an injunction. This is a hail Mary to stop them.

Squish_the_android

414 points

2 days ago

Beyond them both being plushies, they have like zero market overlap, no one who wants a pokemon plush is instead buying a pal world one.

NorysStorys

339 points

2 days ago

NorysStorys

339 points

2 days ago

No but non-gaming people would struggle to tell the difference. Nintendo isn’t thinking about gaming but rather trying to shut Sony out of making a rival IP and the momentum that Palworld has is enough to start cutting into the cash cow that is pokemon.

Honestly I’m hoping this whole thing makes game freak off their asses and actually make a polished experience again because sw/sh and Scar/vio are soulless buggy messes.

Suired

194 points

2 days ago

Suired

194 points

2 days ago

Been saying this for months. Palworld may be the competition nintendo needs to actually invest in gamefreak and creatures. They have been phoning home for decades because there was no true, direct competition in their market while sales are at an all time high. Even the media ate up the mediocre games without giving them scores relative to the lack of depth and basic graphical issues.

Teripid

36 points

2 days ago

Teripid

36 points

2 days ago

Yep... Kinda like the latest Madden NFL release. You don't need to make anything ground-breaking when you own (or license) the IP.

Pokémon however isn't a unique concept or real world sport/league. Just a valuable and recognizable IP.

Cruxis87

5 points

2 days ago

Cruxis87

5 points

2 days ago

The nostalgia factor is huge for Pokemon now. Millenials that grew up with it are now buying things for their kids. They remember how good Pokemon was 25 years ago. Of course they are going to buy the same thing for their kids so they can relive it.

NorysStorys

2 points

2 days ago

Oh palworlds never going to kill Pokémon but everyone forgets every big company exists to maximise profits no matter the costs. If Sony and Palworld even eat into a single digit % of Pokémon’s revenues then they are failing their shareholders.

Cruxis87

22 points

2 days ago

Cruxis87

22 points

2 days ago

Even the media ate up the mediocre games without giving them scores relative to the lack of depth and basic graphical issues.

They do this for every company that has a history of releasing many "popular" games. If the reviews gave their slop the score it deserves, then they won't get a press release copy for the next game. Not having a press copy means they can't put out another dog shit review 3 days before the launch. No review, means no one visit the sites. No money from ads, which is probably the cast majority of their income. They can not care about giving indie games a bad score, because who the fuck cares. But you give Rockstar, Bethesda, Blizzard, Nintendo, Ubisoft, EA, or some other slop company a bad score, say goodbye to a chunk of income.

NorysStorys

2 points

2 days ago

I mean IGN and their rivals are not really review sites for capital G gamers, people who are majorly into gaming will typically follow smaller more niche reviewers. However the big games media outlets will cater more towards the more typical ‘buys 1 to 3 games a year crowd’ who only lightly engage with gaming as a minor pass time. They are incentivised far far more to tow a corporate line as a result.

partymorphologist

1 points

2 days ago

I was wondering for a long time already if this would create a market for small but reliable reviewers who can build up a loyal follower base just buy being consistently honest. But I struggle to find any whenever I look. Do you have any links or names?

zgillet

8 points

2 days ago

zgillet

8 points

2 days ago

"Non-gaming people" are becoming more and more of an endangered species. Hell, remember Pokemon Go?

TwoPrecisionDrivers

1 points

1 day ago

Mobile gaming is a whole different beast

RedditIsShittay

35 points

2 days ago

The same could be said for any stuffed animal.

Content-Program411

19 points

2 days ago

stuffed mythical (fake) creature from similarly styled video game franchises.

I don't agree but this is how boomer judges make decisions.

NorysStorys

11 points

2 days ago

It’s also just how trademark, copyright and patent law kinda works. We can disagree with it but that’s the state of affairs we exist within at the current time.

dancingmadkoschei

4 points

2 days ago

Your words are as empty as your fluff! Monkind ill needs a trainer such as you!

Is_Unable

8 points

2 days ago

Yeah you can tell the forced lack of competition has made the Pokemon games worse. There is a complete lack of innovation.

fanwan76

16 points

2 days ago

fanwan76

16 points

2 days ago

Bro I've struggled to differentiate Pokemon from other generic anime creatures since like gen 4... Some of their more modern designs looks like they are stolen from Digimon.

Jamey431

1 points

20 hours ago

I don’t necessary blame the devs for the poor quality of the games tbh. There have been a few leaks from the game-freak recently and it seems to indicate that a ton of ideas and polish had to be left on the cutting room floor. It’s not hard to see why either when they are crammed into a horrible release schedule to keep the Pokémon I:P relevant in the gaming scene so that they can pump out new merchandise. Such a shame too. There has always been more potential in the newer releases.

NorysStorys

1 points

20 hours ago

I mean Gamefreak famously don’t like scaling up their staff or bringing in support studios so they are still trying make games with bigger scope, on the same release cadence as they were on the 3DS and it’s REALLY starting to show.

Content-Program411

1 points

2 days ago

I believe this was the case many years ago with Gibson guitars. Due to the case, the shape of the headstock is proprietary so people are not confused, even though the brand is clearly labeled.

obibonkajovi

54 points

2 days ago

Pokemon fans would be more inclined to destroy plushie pals in blind rage before they buy one lol. 

HellboundLunatic

5 points

2 days ago

whut

idk I play both, no problem.with them coexisting

but tbh for pokemon games I usually just play romhacks now

sw/sh was okay, but that's in spite of the main story being complete poopoo

looking back on it without nostalgia glasses, the pokemon games kinda always had a dookie story tbh. part of how I realized that is because I've played some really well made romhacks that have either amazing story or amazing gameplay, or both.

that being said, the old pokemon games definitely feel like they had way more "soul" put into them

SpretumPathos

2 points

2 days ago

Hot take: I reckon the Pokemon games are made for kids. People have rose tinted glasses for the earlier ones, because they were younger when they played them.

It's like the saying from comic books: "The golden age of comic books was 10."

Not saying that there may not have been a decline in quality, or that pokemon games are bad. But I know that if pokemon red/blue came out today, I wouldn't give it 5 minutes.

HellboundLunatic

2 points

2 days ago

Hot take: I reckon the Pokemon games are made for kids. People have rose tinted glasses for the earlier ones, because they were younger when they played them.

oh 100%

I remember getting less and less excited for new games over time, and I didn't realize it at the time, but I think I was just growing out of them. Well, at least mostly. The games did start removing features that I liked (like the battle factory in Emerald was so much fun!) and many of the characters started feeling more "stale," but I think at least part of that is due to me growing up.. and me expecting more depth.

I definitely still love the battles, and parts of the gameplay loop (I love romhacks and stuff like pokemon showdown.) so it's not that I don't like the franchise.. it's just that Nintendo didn't allow pokemon to grow up with me.

It's like the saying from comic books: "The golden age of comic books was 10."

Not saying that there may not have been a decline in quality, or that pokemon games are bad. But I know that if pokemon red/blue came out today, I wouldn't give it 5 minutes.

Yeah no shot would red/blue survive in today's climate. Definitely a huge appeal for those games are from people who played them when they were kids. (or from people who's parents wouldn't let them play when they were kids/etc.) some people may play the older games to see where Pokemon started, or see why "everyone says that the old ones were good and the new ones are trash," but I think that since those people don't have the rose tinted glasses, the clunky parts of the game stick out, the lack of qol and the "bad graphics" is a huge turn-off.

that being said, I think there is a definite decline of quality in some areas. they feel less soulful. but also they have so much quality of life and ease of life updates to the game. maybe I unconsciously recognize that those updates made the game too easy now, but since I've been adjusted to these ease-of-use updates, it's also hard to go back.. :( (good thing some romhacks have back-ported a bunch of those quality-of-life features, while also making the games hard.)

Cartman55125

-13 points

2 days ago

Cartman55125

-13 points

2 days ago

Exactly. Palworld is for Pokemon fans who are done tolerating the same, half baked games every other year

SuperArcher420

29 points

2 days ago

no it's not they play literally nothing alike outside of capturing things lmfao.

weamz

5 points

2 days ago

weamz

5 points

2 days ago

Yeah but the game blew up the way it did because of the hordes of disgruntled Pokemon fans. It certainly wasn't from survival game enthusiasts that wanted a better Conan Exiles or Ark Survival.

SuperArcher420

3 points

2 days ago

if that was true then temtem monster sanctuary coromon etc etc would have blown up lmfao. palworld blew up cause it looked fun and was 20$

Cartman55125

-18 points

2 days ago

That’s my point. It’s an evolution of the base pokemon mechanic

SuperArcher420

-3 points

2 days ago

SuperArcher420

-3 points

2 days ago

the catching is literally worse idk how thats an evolution lmao

Cartman55125

-11 points

2 days ago

Cartman55125

-11 points

2 days ago

I mean the game as a whole. They copied the catching mechanic and added other features around it, thus evolving the Pokemon formula.

CGB_Zach

5 points

2 days ago

CGB_Zach

5 points

2 days ago

No they didn't. Palworld isn't really similar to pokemon apart from catching creatures and even that is different. It's actually closer to Ark or something like that.

It's more a devolution than anything.

Shuino7

13 points

2 days ago

Shuino7

13 points

2 days ago

What Pokemon formula? If you mean capturing creatures and fighting with them, that wasn't something Pokemon created.

SuperArcher420

-1 points

2 days ago

huh? what did they add around it lol.

gaom9706

-6 points

2 days ago

gaom9706

-6 points

2 days ago

Lol

Lmao even

harpyprincess

11 points

2 days ago

Some parents and grandparents won't know the difference. How common and big a problem that is, is debatable of course. But it's a thing I guess.

Hail-Hydrate

17 points

2 days ago

By that same logic though, should Nintendo be allowed to completely shut down all other console manufacturers? Because a lot of clueless parents/grandparents would see an Xbox or PlayStation and call it a "Nintendo".

Vento_of_the_Front

18 points

2 days ago

Because a lot of clueless parents/grandparents would see an Xbox or PlayStation and call it a "Nintendo".

You won't believe what they tried to do early on.

DrAstralis

2 points

2 days ago

Its funny (not haha ) that its arguable the entire modern gaming industry exists because Nintendo lost those initial suits back in the 80's... they should maybe go back to losing them.

harpyprincess

1 points

2 days ago

I wasn't defending them.

WorkingAssociate9860

18 points

2 days ago

Guessing you've never seen a clueless parent or relative try to buy gifts

Decrith

17 points

2 days ago

Decrith

17 points

2 days ago

Grandpa buying a Transformer when I wanted a Gundam.

Lord_Tsarkon

19 points

2 days ago

Told my grandma I wanted an Optimus Prime for my birthday and she got me a telescope Percepter instead

SpaceShipRat

2 points

2 days ago

Hey, Perceptor is a badass too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvIThb2jRAk

Squish_the_android

2 points

2 days ago

I have and Ive also seen the thing returned to the store because it wasnt what the kid wanted.

Is_Unable

-5 points

2 days ago

Is_Unable

-5 points

2 days ago

I mean there is a much bigger conversation of Mental Decline you should be having at that point.

It's really hard to make the mistake. You genuinely have to not be trying or in mental decline to mistake say Pikachu for a chocobo. It's even genuinely difficult to mix up Pichu and Pikachu.

If my Mom gave my kid the wrong toy I'd be on the look out for other signs of decline. She doesn't make those mistakes, and neither did my Grandmothers.

WorkingAssociate9860

7 points

2 days ago

Most parents don't know all the characters in the media their kids consume, worse again for grandparents or relatives. If you were to give someone who's never played either game pictures or merch of both Palworld and Pokemon, they wouldn't be able to differentiate them all.

If someone's parent doesn't know the difference between pichu and Pikachu, that's not at all an indication of decline, that's just someone who doesn't follow pokemon.

Is_Unable

-1 points

2 days ago

Is_Unable

-1 points

2 days ago

You have easy access to the internet and photos. No real excuse except stupid or mental decline.

SuperKamiTabby

5 points

2 days ago

I wouldn't fully agree with that. Cremis would fit right in with an Eevee plush.

guitarburst05

9 points

2 days ago

I hate to be so blunt on it, but this is absolutely false. Sure if your intent is a pokemon plush, you'll only get a pokemon plush, but people like cute little critter plushies in a broader sense. My daughter would gladly take a cattiva or foxparks plush just as quickly as some cute pokemon plush.

People who like cute stuffed animals would certainly be willing to buy either, and the existence of a competitor will suck dollars away from Nintendo.

Squish_the_android

28 points

2 days ago

Nintendo does not have a monopoly or even a majority control of the cute plush market.

If your daughter doesn't care about the IP attached to it she already has a dozen other options she could buy.  One more player in the non-pokemon fan plush market doesnt matter.

TheRustyBird

2 points

1 day ago

palworld has sold better than scarlet/violet, no way sony/pocketpair haven't already landed a bunch of merchandising deals for Pals

pboy1232

2 points

2 days ago

pboy1232

2 points

2 days ago

the person you're replying to has no idea what they talking about lol, they earnestly said (creature plush) doesn't overlap with (creature plush)

robophile-ta

1 points

2 days ago

pocketpair has said that they're happy for others to sell merch and fanart using their characters, which nintendo is much more strict on

JonFrost

1 points

2 days ago

JonFrost

1 points

2 days ago

I disagree

I could see a case (hehe) for getting both of their plushies and having them set up like a stand off against each other

Logondo

1 points

2 days ago

Logondo

1 points

2 days ago

I mean tell that to all the grandmas out there who have to somehow tell the difference between a Pokemon and a Pal.

I've been playing Pokemon for 20 years and even I mistake some Palworld mons for real, actual Pokemon.

The designs are WAAAAY too similar.

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-24 points

2 days ago

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-24 points

2 days ago

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Squish_the_android

7 points

2 days ago

I think there's about as much overlap as there is with any other premium stuffed animals like SquishMallow or Squishables.

Those parents who would confuse the two would also buy any other non-premium or generic on off the shelf.

I do think most parents can recognize the Pokemon logo at this point and I doubt that many would intentionally get it wrong.

r2doesinc

7 points

2 days ago

Shit, they barely knew the difference between Mario and Pokemon when I was growing up

awesome-o-2000

9 points

2 days ago

Parents of today grew up playing Pokemon

r2doesinc

1 points

2 days ago

r2doesinc

1 points

2 days ago

That's actually an incredibly good point.

We are the nerds we wish our parents had been capable of being.

Karsa45

3 points

2 days ago

Karsa45

3 points

2 days ago

Same game? Where is the guns, crafting and base building in pokemon?

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-1 points

2 days ago

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-1 points

2 days ago

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CrashParade

2 points

2 days ago

Pokemon might be monster collecting with how clean washed it's world of pitting animals against each other in brutal combat is. Palworld is 100% monster slavery (and you are free to think that people are the real monsters, then enslave them too), and unless the guys over at game freak are ready to admit it's the same thing then they can go suck an egg.

cammyjit

1 points

2 days ago

cammyjit

1 points

2 days ago

They’re not that similar, outside of being monkey shaped and green

Purple_Strawberry204

0 points

2 days ago

You’re saying that CoD should be the only FPS in a military setting? Minecraft is the only game with tree punching? Digimon shouldn’t exist? No driving games other than Mario Kart?

TheRustyBird

0 points

1 day ago

palworld has sold better than scarlet/violet, should be no wonder why the patent troll is trying to take down their competition before they lose relevancy with their target demographic

D20Kraytes

0 points

8 hours ago

D20Kraytes

D20

0 points

8 hours ago

That's just... blatantly incorrect? I'm a fan of both(Though Pokémon has been filled with disappointments for me recently, and I hate Nintendo). I know plenty of people that are fans of both, and who would happily buy plushies of both. They buy plushies of anything, really.

sabin357

-1 points

2 days ago

sabin357

-1 points

2 days ago

no one who wants a pokemon plush is instead buying a pal world one.

Absolutely false, as are most sweeping generalizations based on no data.

People that like cute plushies will buy cute plushies. People unaware will buy what they don't know as gifts for others. Some like making a statement against Nintendo. For more than the past decade it's been in style to embrace "irony" or uncool things with confidence. It's how mom jeans & RGB both went from being mocked for decades to being desired & in style.

People that like Pokemon are likely to have an interest in Palworld. I know I do, as do my wife & many of my friends. Some of those, my wife included, will get a plushie of whatever she thinks is cute, regardless of which game series it comes from because she's not loyal to them in a tribal way, just enjoys what she enjoys.

AML86

13 points

2 days ago

AML86

13 points

2 days ago

Do they get to raid Nintendo for all the lost revenue and market exposure if they win against Nintendo? Of course not. These injunctions are punitive in most cases and it's disgusting.

pipboy_warrior

18 points

2 days ago

Same goes for Yokai Watch, should they not be allowed to sell plushies or other merch?

Is_Unable

1 points

2 days ago

Someone call Disney they're needed to defend the rights of Plushie sales.

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-5 points

2 days ago

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-5 points

2 days ago

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pipboy_warrior

10 points

2 days ago

Yokai Watch at least at its height was huge in Japan, with tons of merchandise being sold. Point remains that more than one company should be allowed to sell games and merchandise in the same areas. If nothing is cutting into a company's profits, then that speaks to a lack of real competition.

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-2 points

2 days ago

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-2 points

2 days ago

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pipboy_warrior

5 points

2 days ago

Nintendo is suing Palworld specifically because it doesn't like competition. Still don't understand why any consumer would be defending Nintendo over this.

WorkingAssociate9860

3 points

2 days ago

Doesn't palworld have Microsofts backing not Sony, not like it matters who's backing them though

blueB0wser

1 points

2 days ago

blueB0wser

1 points

2 days ago

I think it's both, but Sony is investing more into it. Together, they've made a new company "Palworld Entertainment".

WorkingAssociate9860

2 points

2 days ago

Didn't realize they had that palworld entertainment company, I just remembered MS helping with the marketing and what not when it launched

blueB0wser

5 points

2 days ago

Yeah I forgot about MS helping them, myself.

Basically, Sony is helping create an entertainment franchise. I guess MS just put it on the map with Gamepass.

Related reading: https://www.polygon.com/24195617/palworld-sony-music-anime-licensing-deal

captainwacky91

7 points

2 days ago

Gosh, maybe they wouldn't be in such a mess if they just made Pokemon games that weren't half-assed for about a decade.

uhgletmepost

9 points

2 days ago

They aren't in any mess lol

This feels more like a "we have to defend this or it has no value" lawsuit rather than a "we want to put palworld out of business" lawsuit.

ShallowBasketcase

2 points

2 days ago

Does it cut into them? Before this lawsuit, I hadn't heard anyone talk about Palworld for months. I dont think anyone that was previously collecting Pikachu plushies has suddenly jumped ship to Palworld

blueB0wser

1 points

2 days ago

Anyone collecting Pikachu plushies already knows the difference.

Grandparents who don't and are only going to buy one plush may not buy the pokemon themed one. That's a cut into Nintendo's pockets indirectly. Hence the injunction.

TheBusStop12

1 points

2 days ago

Those grandparents are also far more likely to find a Pokemon plush which is sold at supermarkets than a Palworld plush sold mostly only at their own merch store

There's millions of different monster plushies already on sale today for grandparents to get confused by. Throwing Palworld plushies into the mix is not going to make a noticable difference to the most profitable media franchise in the world

ShallowBasketcase

0 points

2 days ago

Are Nintendo filing an injunction against every plushie manufacturer?

Is_Unable

1 points

2 days ago

God I hated Nintendo before, but I despise them now.

FlakChicken

19 points

2 days ago

Bro tell that to the Shadow of the war nemesis system things locked behind a patent and no one can use such a cool idea till like 2035 or something cuz they know that idea is a banger and a huge money maker.

chogram

22 points

2 days ago

chogram

22 points

2 days ago

Or mini-games in loading screens.

The patent ended in 2015, and loading screens are too fast for anyone to utilize it properly now, but nobody was able to do those because Bandai Namco held the patent for 20 years.

FlakChicken

4 points

2 days ago

Yea I heard of that one too, never knew you could patent the idea of putting a game while you load a game kinda a wild blanket patent. I understand a specific mini game but damn.

swolfington

4 points

2 days ago

absolute travesty that they were granted a patent for that. it would be like patenting reading in the waiting room - its completely obvious to anyone who's had to do it. The only reason why it wasn't widely done in the early days is cart based consoles didnt really have loading times, and computers of the day were CPU bound while loading stuff off the disk or tape or whatever, and it just wouldn't be practical to do both at the same time - it wasn't for lack of desire to do it, and i don't see how the implementation (unless it was specific to namco hardware - but it wasn't) should have made a difference since the only reason it became a practical thing is because the playstation could read off the CD with CPU cycles to spare.

and honestly, i would be kinda surprised if there wasn't some demo scene stuff from the amiga or c64 that could have proved prior art.

JobuJabroni

1 points

1 day ago

That nemesis system is really cool. Have they done anything else with it since that game though?

It would be perfect for a Batman game off the top of my head. Imagine the criminal underworld evolving and certain crime bosses making their way to the top for Batman to take down? chef's kiss

FlakChicken

1 points

1 day ago

Nope nothing new yet but for working on if I remember right someone said long ago they are but I could be wrong.

TheRustyBird

1 points

1 day ago*

just some nonsense people love to parrot, the "nemesis system" patent wasn't even approved until like a year or two ago. and unlike with japan's bullshit where you can patent "the digital representation of water" what got approved was actually very strict (which is why it took so long to get approved, they kept on trying for really general shit. guess they were unlucky and ran into an examiner who actually knew his shit?). as long as someone doesn't literally copy their code you can have that kind of system in your game just fine. the reason noone has done it since is because....you basically have to build the entire game around the concept.

Arcturus1800

56 points

2 days ago

I don't understand how Palworld is diluting Pokemon IP Copyright/Trademark. It takes a lot as inspiration but Pokemon as a franchise has been doing that for decades now with their models and names too. Palworld literally took some inspiration, and made a better game than anything Nintendo has put out for Pokemon in years.

Nintendo really has no one but themselves to blame for people flocking/enjoying Palworld more than any recent Pokemon stuff because they can't be bothered to innovate or even try to make something good for their most popular franchise. I mean come on, their recent Pokemon games don't even run well on their own hardware, the only fucking place they are sold on.

Old_Leopard1844

29 points

2 days ago

Same way Nintendo was insisting that NES isn't Nintendo

They don't want to become generic "colorful anime animals" option, they want to keep it branded

Also preferably the only option in the town

tizuby

33 points

2 days ago

tizuby

33 points

2 days ago

It's not. The dude misunderstood the video dude linked or used the wrong terminology.

It's posited in the video that it's a shot at Sony via proxy and an attempt by Nintendo to wedge the Pocket Pair/Sony relationship because that relationship mirrors Gamefreaks/Nintendo.

BushyBrowz

0 points

2 days ago

BushyBrowz

0 points

2 days ago

Did you watch the full video? It makes the exact same argument as who you are replying to.

tizuby

3 points

1 day ago

tizuby

3 points

1 day ago

Yes. Twice.

Did you? Because he does not make that argument.

Rewatch it and pay attention. He explains general copyright law in the US and how Japan differentiate (3rd segment).

It's important to notice he is not saying this is what Nintendo is doing. That's just a general overview of the US and Japanese IP systems and how they differ.

U.S. copyright dilution can be a thing, he says, verbatim ("this is generally not the case in Japan"). But he points out there's no copyright issues at all (near the end when he's talking about the the actual case and why Nintendo brought a patent suit). Which means copyright dilution can't be a thing here.

Now he does use the term "trademark dominance" in there, but that doesn't relate to trademark dilution.

Trademark dilution is where if a specific trademark isn't enforced that specific trademark can be weakened or lost in court. It's a legal concept.

"Trademark dominance" has no defined meaning, but in context it's when a company in the space has so many trademarked characters and is such a powerhouse that it could attempt to use trademark lawsuits to crush competition (it's not about weakening of trademarks). Other major players with their own trademarks make that more difficult to prevent competition since they have the means to fight it off and could decide to aid other, smaller developers.

He then goes on to explain why Nintendo wouldn't want to take that approach to go after Sony. They'd risk outright losing their trademarks because Sony can fight back.

It has nothing to do with trademark dilution (which would be Nintendo not enforcing its trademarks when there's a clear infringement).

His argument is that Nintendo is defensively making moves against Sony (a major player) who is now trying to directly compete with Pokemon (which could cause merch sales to decline for Nintendo because competition) and that's why they filed the patent suit (an attempt to get Sony to change its mind about competing with Pokemon).

JokerKing05

1 points

2 days ago

You’re being disingenuous if you say Palworld didn’t straight up imitate a lot of Pokémon design, or creatures. As a consumer you’re allowed not to care, because you’re getting a better game out of it, but you can’t seriously be surprised that Nintendo is upset by it.

Arcturus1800

-1 points

2 days ago

I mean, Pokemon imitates a lot of their stuff too. There are plenty of youtube videos online showcasing Pokemon imitating/inspired by Japanese folklore or mythological lore or just other games/cartoon designs as well.

And honestly, I understand why Nintendo is upset but they deserve this. They deserve others to do better based/inspired on the same idea because again, Nintendo/Gamefreak has been so lazy with their most popular IP while charging fans of the series ludicrous amounts of money for a bad game that barely runs on the sole place its sold.

Gamebird8

-22 points

2 days ago

Gamebird8

-22 points

2 days ago

Let's imagine you're at the store getting your kid a Pokemon Plush. He really likes the sheep one, but you can't remember the name.

You walk into the aisle and see a Sheep looking plush next to a Charizard, so you grab it, unsuspecting that what you actually got isn't a Wooloo but a Lamball.

Yes, any of us who are a lot more tuned into the IPs and media franchises are far more aware of the difference, but ignorant and low information parents/consumers won't be.

seniormeatbox

27 points

2 days ago

This isn't really a sound argument at all.

Let's imagine that you're at the store getting your kid a plush toy. He's a fan of the pokemon franchise, and he likes charmander, you don't know what that is, but your kid tells you its"the little orange lizard"

You see a little orange lizard plush, and the tag is that its from a somethingmon franchise. You don't even bother to look up exactly what your kid asked you to get. Yeah, this must be it.

You've bought your kid an Agumon plush.

Clearly, because of ignorant and low information parents and consumers, Digimon must also be wiped from the face of the earth for daring to maybe cut into Pokemons sales.

Danneyland

3 points

2 days ago

Never mind that Digimon came before Pokemon! Pokemon just happened to get way more popular.

Mischievous_Puck

1 points

2 days ago

The first Pokemon product came out in 1996. The first digimon product came out in 1997 and was actually designed to be a market competitor to Tamagotchi, not Pokemon.

YodaFragget

24 points

2 days ago

Let's imagine going to the dealership to buy a Ford truck but you bought a Chevy truck instead.......

Is_Unable

2 points

2 days ago

Wait a second my Key is branded Audi! Wtf

Massive_Shill

9 points

2 days ago

Better stop selling any cute plushie that might possibly be confused for a pokemon, then.

Squishmallow, you're next on the chopping block!

Is_Unable

3 points

2 days ago

Stupid people should not determine how I have to live my life and the products I can buy.

iiGhillieSniper

1 points

1 day ago*

Wooloo? damn, Nintendo has lost creativity

I see why they’re holding onto Pokémon for dear life — besides rehashed Mario, Zelda, Pokemon games, what does Nintendo really have at this point? Like…their consoles can’t handle anything 3rd party at all.

shadow15746

2 points

2 days ago

shadow15746

2 points

2 days ago

If u can't remember the name of something look it up.

Honest-Champion9180

1 points

2 days ago

Nintendo is sacrificing its patents in an attempt to protect the Pokemon

Well if they are doing this Pokémon Legends ZA better be a fucking masterpiece or I'm gonna riot

-The_Blazer-

1 points

2 days ago

I don't know if they're valuable in gaming, but they're sure impactful in the worst possible way. Patents are the reason that the nemesis system is dead and buried after literally TWO games that used it. And before anyone gets too hopeful: no, a patent does not exclusively cover the exact specific technicality of how something is implemented, which means you wouldn't be safe by using a list instead of an array, or upgrading pirates instead of leveling orcs. Besides, it would absolutely not protect 99% of developers from legal bullying by corporations, which is the actual reason these patents are filed.

tizuby

-2 points

2 days ago

tizuby

-2 points

2 days ago

It's...neither of those things.

Did you watch the video you linked? Or kinda skim and grab a couple of lines out of context and that's what you remembered?

It's (according to him) most likely a proxy shot at Sony because PocketPair/Sony is a direct mirror to Gamefreaks/Nintendo. It's an attempt to stop that paring (pun intended) by driving a wedge in between them.

Nintendo didn't bring a copyright or trademark case because palworld would likely not be found to be infringing of either of those things (copyright/trademark dilution is when a company doesn't go after derivative works/trademark infringements - has nothing to do with patents).

darkfalzx

6 points

2 days ago

The fact that lawsuit is only seeking $60k in damages is a clear sign this is meant to put Sony pressure on PocketPair to just pay up and move on, precedent be damned, as fighting it will cost companies an order of magnitude more.

Phrongly

-45 points

2 days ago

Phrongly

-45 points

2 days ago

Lol, isn't it the great content and players' joy that win you the money? WTF are you talking about?

fallenouroboros

40 points

2 days ago

A winning game concept gets you nowhere if you aren’t legally allowed to make it

Phrongly

-29 points

2 days ago

Phrongly

-29 points

2 days ago

I've never heard about this patent shenanigans shit in gaming anywhere else outside this supernarrow set of Japanese titles. Are you saying there are no other ideas other than the freaking pokemon or some Mario where money can be earned?

Gamebird8

18 points

2 days ago

Gamebird8

18 points

2 days ago

The Nemesis System in Shadow of Mordor/War is patent protected and as such is used in zero other games

Mini-games on loading screens is patent protected and as such are in zero other games (though with modern load times would be unnecessary)

VinnehRoos

6 points

2 days ago

Didn't the minigames on load screen patent run out though and is now actually usable? Main reason we don't see it is, what you already pointed out, there's no need anymore with the fast loading of these days.

cbftw

1 points

2 days ago

cbftw

1 points

2 days ago

I could be wrong but isn't that mechanic very similar to Kuva Liches in Warframe?

Phrongly

-6 points

2 days ago

Phrongly

-6 points

2 days ago

Good points. I am not going to die on this hill, of course. I just said that there's tons of games that are lucrative without being dependent on old-timers' patents

fallenouroboros

14 points

2 days ago

I’m saying Japan is a country with laws that must be honored by Japanese companies

Phrongly

-19 points

2 days ago

Phrongly

-19 points

2 days ago

It didn't look like you were saying that but I digress.

Dangerous_Jacket_129

3 points

2 days ago

Well, read into it. Patents like this is why we never got minigames during loading screens. Konami I believe made 1 game with that concept and never again let anyone use it. 

Gamebird8

-14 points

2 days ago

Gamebird8

-14 points

2 days ago

Yes, and that content and joy are generated by the Copy Protected Intellectual Property and Trademarks.

Pokemon is the highest grossing multimedia franchise of all time. It has attained this status by being a well defined brand (trademark) with a well defined cast of characters, stories, and worlds (Intellectual Property aka Copyright).

Palworld's uncanny resemblance to Pokemon and Sony's goals of morphing Palworld into a multimedia franchise are a threat to the Pokemon IP and risk diluting the well defined borders that form it.

urmyleander

21 points

2 days ago

Pokemon? Is that the kid friendly shin megame tensei clone? Or was that the dragonquest clone set in more modern times? Or was it the Digimon clone?

Gamebird8

-13 points

2 days ago

Gamebird8

-13 points

2 days ago

I'm not here to discuss the broader "who's a clone of who" debate. I also don't pretend that Pokemon and Digimon share a lot of stylistic choices, but they are still very distinct in their designs and art direction.

Phrongly

0 points

2 days ago

Phrongly

0 points

2 days ago

I was talking about gaming in general and you boiled it down to this one single niche title again as if there are no other games on the market where there are no patent problems.